One of the folks privately filming during the aftermath of the cowardly ambush of a duly elected representative of the people on November 22, 1963 was Ernest Charles Mentesana. Here's an abbreviated clip of Mr. Mentesana's filming that fateful afternoon ---->
Feel free to focus on the film in its entirety, but this thread's chief focus is upon the two men on the bottom right-hand corner standing there together, particularly their actions from the 0-4 sec mark (for optimal results please view this sequence in the 0.25 slowest speed option). The one on the left is actually wearing the same clothing as the wrongly accused upon his apprehension at the Texas Theatre; and, the gentlemen on the right is donning a dark business suit and white dress-shirt akin to what Bill Shelley wore that afternoon.
The man on the left who steps into the street--perhaps seeking a better view/vantage point--is wearing the same reddish brown shirt colour the wrongly accused wore that afternoon; and, what's more, the same grey coloured trousers as well. My apologies if the colours aren't clearly noticeable in this particular film, but will certainly share another video of the same men later this week (am on a public computer at the moment, but have a much better film in terms of unmistakable clarity of the same individuals & sequence in my notes).
A much closer examination of these two figures is worthy of further research. Why would one of them be wearing the same clothing as the wrongly accused? Share the same slight build (note extra-small waist when the reddish brown shirt moves upward when he places his hands upon his hips); and also his similar neckline before he steps into the street and offers up a side profile. Furthermore, Why would the 2nd gentlemen share the same slicked back hairstyle/head shape, etc. as Bill Shelley?
Pure coincidence here?
or more than some truth to the words of the wrongly accused when he told anyone willing to listen he was outside with Bill Shelley...
IF anyone is actually in contact with the widow of the wrongly accused, Marina Oswald-Porter, please share this Mentesana clip with her, and ask her in an objective manner if one of these men look familiar. For those of you proficient in photography, video analysis, etc., please give these two figures a much closer examination. Perhaps topshelf researcher Mr. Davidson (Chris) may share some of his invaluable tools, insights, etc.
Who are these men? Have they already been identified?
The fire truck is clearly shown in the footage. As far as I'm aware the truck arrived shortly after 1:00 PM.
There's no way to support the notion Oswald and Shelley were out front chatting until this time.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZA5PLNHkM5EyjS1XT-J502RKkHIdSq4R/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZA5PLNHkM5EyjS1XT-J502RKkHIdSq4R/view?usp=sharing)
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The fire truck is clearly shown in the footage. As far as I'm aware the truck arrived shortly after 1:00 PM.
There's no way to support the notion Oswald and Shelley were out front chatting until this time.
Certainly appreciate your excellent rendition, Mr. Reeves, thank you.
Conjures up images of the apprehension of the wrongly accused at the Texas Theatre (albeit after that intense physical struggle with DPD his reddish brown shirt becomes ripped, torn, tattered, leaving it looking rather ragged). But somehow like magic (as if the magic bullet wasn't already enough magic in this frame up) a bus transfer was found in his tattered shirt in *pristine condition well after that intense physical struggle with the DPD at the Texas Theatre.
*Nary a tear, bend or wrinkle upon that planted "evidence".
On a public computer so will have to wait until next time to post that pristine planted bus-transfer here; and, if it's still in my Commission Exhibit notes will also post his tattered grey coloured pants following that intense physical struggle w/DPD.
Nary a tear, bend or wrinkle upon that planted "evidence"
Show us exactly where Oswald was grabbed in a manner that would have necessarily torn, bent, or wrinkled the transfer.
Instead of conjuring up images here are some actual images taken after Oswald had informed us that the movie was over ('that's it, it's all over now) and that he wasn't resisting arrest as he... resisted arrest.
Show us where his reddish brown shirt has become 'ripped, torn, tattered, leaving it looking rather ragged'.
Seems your boy is the one looking rather ragged.
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Lightened to reveal details
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While we await Mr. Chapman's reply, just wanted to thank top shelf researcher Mr. Davidson (Chris) once again for sharing his timely video, which clarifies the arrival time of Captain Fritz to the TSBD (talk about precision!) When it comes to timeline folks I would highly recommend anyone to consult with Mr. Davidson or at the very least lean upon his exemplary research where timelines are concerned.Fritz arrives at the TSBD
The wrongly accused was apprehended in the following manner, according to one of the five arresting officers on the scene involved in that intense physical altercation (underlined for emphasis) ---->
In most of the accounts, Oswald strikes MacDonald in the face at this point in time; the scene inside the aisle quickly turned into a melee, with multiple officers involved in subduing Oswald. Hill got into the same row as Oswald and grabbed his left arm, Officer MacDonald held him from the right, and CT Walker and an officer Hawkins held him from the front, forcing him into his seat.
*source: jfkwitnesses.omeka.net
A rather intense physical altercation, yet the bus-transfer "evidence" planted upon the wrongly accused hours after this high volume adrenaline altercation is in pristine condition, nary a tear, bend or wrinkle upon it. Like so much of the "evidence" in this case manufactured to frame the wrongly accused this "evidence" we can easily include in the hastily contrived script "evidence" bin, because it also forgot the small but important details.
Now, Mr. Chapman, explain to the rest of us reading along here just how the bus-transfer is void of normal wear and tearing, bending, ripping and wrinkling?
Fritz arrives at the TSBD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vrdo0lj6B6c5FRlo0MvX87kQPdd6pi5l/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vrdo0lj6B6c5FRlo0MvX87kQPdd6pi5l/view?usp=sharing)
That question is tantamount to asking how some people have walked away from a horrible car wreck with 'nary' a scratch while the other crashengers (so-to-speak) are crushed to a pulp.
On the contrary, Mr. Chapman, five arresting officers physically mangling the shirt pockets of the wrongly accused, and later forgetting to remember to account for those actions with pristine bus-transfer "evidence" hours later has nothing to do with a collision/vehicle wreckage. Let's call it what it truly is ---->
Planted "evidence" to frame an innocent party. Planted "evidence" amid a hastily contrived script to put him on the scene at 10th & Patton. Planted "evidence" to suggest he left Dealey Plaza before he really left and by what means. The actual means, not the false-narrative...
The pristine paper bus-transfer was planted "evidence" hours after that intense physical altercation...essentially a major gaffe amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure. The wrongly accused was Framed.
The wrongly accused was Framed. The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
Best wishes for all to remain well, safe & healthy amid the ongoing pandemic challenges we are all facing. Back next week G-d willing to share some footage of the wrongly accused so we may compare his mannerisms, stance, etc to the gentleman wearing the clothes he was later apprehended in at the Texas Theatre.
'The wrongly accused was Framed'
The only thing that 'Framed' the little prick was the sn windowFrameframe.
*My response: You are right about where the SN-Framing took place, but you have the wrong party ---->
Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Why do you suppose Roy Truly was in the Framing window before anyone else, Mr. Chapman?
'five arresting officers physically mangling the shirt pockets'
HAHAHAHA. Now there's a classic example of CT over-exaggeration! You deserve an Emmy for that little gem: You're making it sound that your Gang of Five coppers were way, way more interested in beating up on a shirt pocket, instead of subduing the nobody who declared he wasn't resisting arrest (while in the process of resisting arrest).
*My response: An Emmy?
c'mon, Mr. Chapman, whose really exaggerating here?
Go ahead take a few honest minutes and actually study the pictures you your own self shared here on this thread, where it's clearly evident the wrongly accused's tattered shirt is missing buttons following that intense physical altercation with not one, not two, but five adrenaline-pumped officers, grabbing him from the left, the right, and from behind and at least two from the front (all their words not mine) yet hours after that experience a pristine bus-transfer is "found" in his pocket...where I appreciate the hearty laugh an innocent man was framed with this hastily contrived stench of horse manure scripted "evidence"...
It's okay to admit honestly that amid their hastily contrived script to frame an innocent party small but important details were overlooked. To suggest otherwise is rather telling.
'Let's call it what it truly is'---->
Okay:---->its your pet theory. In which nobody gets lucky enough to escape a horrible car crash-cum-bus transfer/shirt-pocket assault and remain bloodlessly pristine... or tickety-boo, for that matter.
*My response: No, on the contrary, not a pet-theory at all, just some good old-fashioned common sense that recognizes the stench of horse manure amid a hastily contrived script to frame the wrongly accused. A laminated modern day business card--let alone a flimsy piece of paper bus-transfer--would have exhibited tearing, crinkling and or at the very least folding near at least one of the corners (1/4) given that high induced adrenaline pumped physical altercation.
It's okay to admit a frame up when it's clearly evident it presents itself due to the small yet important details being overlooked. Oops! It's way past time to admit the wrongly accused was Framed.
Here we learn that because a bus transfer found in Oswald's possession is allegedly pristine that means it must have been planted. A dubious subjective claim.
Where does this transfer ticket entitle Oswald to travel to?
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The only Lakeland I can find is north-west of Dallas central
I believe "Lakewood" is just a designation of the "line" that the transfer was issued on (as explained in a somewhat complicated fashion by McWatters). The transfer was valid for a very limited duration and could be used at a transfer point as explained by David Belin: https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/document/0393/23811297.pdf
Mr. McWATTERS - On here. Well, if it is in the morning or in the afternoon, here is your a.m., or your p.m. In other words, it is before 12:45, in other words, we consider up to 12:45 a.m., in other words, that is the way they are.
In other words, I would punch it in the a.m. side of it, and if it was in the afternoon, in other words, after that, it would be a p.m. transfer, and whatever line that you are working has the name on it right here.
In other words, at that time that transfer I had punched was punched a p.m. Lakewood, in other words, because I was coming from the Lakewood addition is the way that was punched on the transfer.
Mr. BALL - Well now, do you punch the transfer when the passenger asks for it?
Mr. McWATTERS - No. No, sir; in other words, when you leave this, you are inbound when you are going into town or when you are going, in other words, out of town, in other words.
I was coming in, in other words, when I got in Lakewood Addition I set my transfers for downtown.
So, the Lakewood "line" starts in Lakewood and has a termination point somewhere and Oswald would be free to use his transfer only on the Lakewood "line", that same day, until it's no longer "PM".
I'm going to try to find out the stops on the Lakewood line to where it terminates as it seems to make sense Oswald brought it with him for a purpose.
If he changed shirts he deliberately took the transfer with him.
The Belin memo provides more specifics. It appears that the transfer was valid until 1:15 or until the next scheduled bus if that did not occur until after 1:15. Belin notes a transfer point on Jefferson which he indicates is the "only" transfer point that can be used after leaving downtown Dallas and only three blocks from the scene of the Tippit shooting. A number of buses could be caught there.
The CTer "mind" and use of "logic" are curious things to behold. Here we learn that because a bus transfer found in Oswald's possession is allegedly pristine that means it must have been planted.
*My response: It was planted, otherwise--given the photos shared here by Mr. Chapman of the wrongly accused's torn & tattered shirt in Post 9--it would have bore considerable tearing, crinkling, etc. It doesn't, so that means it has more magical powers than the magic-bullet (please excuse the eye-roll) or it was planted akin to the shell casings ---->
Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
Again, in their haste to frame the wrongly accused they simply overlooked the small but important detail upon planting that bus transfer "evidence" upon him loooong after that intense physical altercation...
A dubious subjective claim. And we are left to ponder why the conspirators need to put Oswald on a random bus that goes nowhere...
*My response: On the contrary, they had little choice but to imply he was at 10th & Patton, thus their hastily contrived script about his means of transportation to get there. Framed at Dealey Plaza and also Framed at 10th & Patton.
There is no way that any conspirator goes through this risky charade simply to put Oswald on the bus to nowhere. It is laughable when viewed through the narrative of a fake event supported only by the subjective assessment that the bus transfer should not be "pristine."
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*Reread my above responses...they Framed him in Dealey Plaza and also at 10th & Patton, thus creating horse manure to get him there was necessary. However, as runs rampant in their haste to frame the wrongly accused they overlooked the small yet very important details. The wrongly accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
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The only problem with the "pristine" bus transfer is, it actually isn't! Doh!
The back of Oswald's bus transfer shows numerous creases
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Mr. BALL - Did your punch mark have a distinctive mark?
Mr. McWATTERS - It had a distinctive mark and it is registered, in other words, all the drivers, every driver has a different punch mark.
Mr. BALL - What makes it different?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, it is, it would be, the symbol of it or angle, in other words, every one; it is different, in other words.
Mr. BALL - You have a punch there?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; I have the punch right here.
Mr. BALL - Is that the punch that you used?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is the punch I used.
Mr. BALL - Will you punch a piece of paper and show us?
Mr. McWATTERS - In other words, that is the type of punch that this one makes right here, in other words.
Mr. BALL - That is a different type of punch than any other driver has?
Mr. McWATTERS - Any driver, in other words.
Mr. BALL - On any bus in Dallas?
Mr. McWATTERS - In other words, the superintendent has a list, in other words, it would be just like this and every man has a punch and he has his name, and everything. In other words, if anyone calls in about a transfer or anything, I mean brings one in he can look right down the list by the punch mark and tell whose punch it is, and who it is registered to.
Mr. BALL - Now, the sample of your punch there has been on a piece of paper and we would like to have it marked as 372 at this time.
(The paper referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 372 and received in evidence.)
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JohnM
Still awaiting an honest, objective response from Mr. Mytton...in his defense, it's not easy to convince critical-thinkers how material of higher quality (like those torn off buttons) on the wrongly accused's tattered shirt sustained considerable damage, while in contrast that mere paper bus-transfer--in spite of the same intense physical altercation with five highly adrenaline pumped officers is void of tearing/ripping...a small, but important detail overlooked amid a hastily contrived script to Frame an innocent party. Unlike the plain simple truth deception requires revision(s), do-overs, etc.
For those of you who have the time, please read the Warren Commission testimony of the bus-driver, Mr. McWatters (Cecil) in its entirety. For the record, please note--during a police lineup later that evening he does not recognize the wrongly accused as the individual who got on his bus that fateful afternoon.
There's a reason for that...the wrongly accused did not get on a bus that afternoon. There's also major timing issues within Mr. McWatters' testimony--even IF the wrongly accused was in fact on his bus. Also amid your reading pay close attention to the following three characters ---->
*The man who steps out of his car snarled in traffic, and climbs aboard Mr. McWatter's bus (sitting behind him in traffic) to announce that the president has been shot.
*The lady with a suitcase who asks for and receives a bus-transfer from Mr. McWatters (following that announcement)
*The man who climbs aboard Mr. McWatter's bus only to ride it for two blocks, who follows the lead of the lady w/the suitcase, asking for a bus-transfer as well immediately after she does.
Strange shenanigans afoot...
Representative FORD - What happened?
Mr. McWATTERS - She got off and by the time when she was talking to me that is when he got up, this gentleman here in the seat got up, at seat "M" got off. In other words, the door was never closed of the bus from the time the gentleman stepped up in the door of that there, in other words, when he said what he did, and got on back in his car, in other words, the lady got off, and the man got off, too, both at the same stop.
In other words, the bus hadn't moved at that stop.
An intelligence cut out operation?
A pre-determined signal to take a course of action?
More important than the code-speak to secure those bus-transfers for later doctoring & planting to Frame an innocent party, here's what the actual bus driver had to say upon actually seeing the wrongly accused in a line-up ---->
Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
There's a reason for that...the wrongly accused was nowhere near Mr. McWatter's bus, let alone a passenger on it....At the time the false-narrative amid a hastily contrived script places him on Mr. McWatter's bus, the wrongly-accused had just finished coming to the aid of Inspector Sawyer (12:34PM) inside the TSBD near the small storage room and passenger elevator on the first floor; then minutes later crossing-paths at the front-entrance of the TSBD with a rookie news reporter (12:37PM), asking where he could find use of a phone; and, of course, after pointing out a phone in the lobby to the news reporter, the wrongly accused ventures down the front steps, walks over to his supervisor to now stand outside with him for 5-10 minutes (12:42/47PM +/- 5 minutes),
essentially, nowhere near 10th & Patton...
C'mon Alan, you first you claim the bus transfer is "pristine" clearly implying that there was evidence manipulation, but after I showed evidence to the contrary you never acknowledge your error and instead shift the goalposts, why is it Alan, if you honestly believe "The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody." then why the continual efforts of shielding yourself from the truth?
Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence and see where that goes, the genuinely PRISTINE pockets on the front of Oswald's shirt are not torn or in fact show no signs of destruction, wouldn't you expect 5 testosterone infused man beasts to thoroughly destroy that part of the shirt, that is if they actually manhandled Oswald in that precise area?
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JohnM
The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.
Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence
Did you really just say this? I mean, really :D :D :D :D :D
Now let's be completely neutral and examine the actual evidence
Did you really just say this? I mean, really :D :D :D :D :D
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While we continue to await an honest, objective response from Mr. Mytton daring to explain how mere paper was left virtually intact, nary a tear or rip in not just one corner but all four corners on that otherwise pristine planted bus-transfer "evidence",
Alan, cease and desist with the overdramatic hyperbole because your methodology of imagining unlikely scenarios, inventing untested scientific outcomes and excessively exaggerating your case is self defeating and as a result you've lost before you've even begun. But anyway I will once again give my full and honest appraisal of the "bus transfer" mystery and perhaps this time you may thoughtfully consider the following five powerful reasons why your misguided hypothesis above is unwarranted and is in desperate need of real world logic.
For a start how the heck does any paper concealed in a pocket be expected to tear, perhaps if you supported this line of reasoning with some actual evidence instead of self serving postulation then you may be able to create a case because as it is now, you're just not convincing me.
(1) Soooo, Mr. Mytton, you honestly don't believe in that fierce struggle not one of the officers--in their efforts to control the wrongly accused grabbed his upper body in a tight-fisted manner? At least two of the five did so (their words not mine).
Secondly as I have pointed out, if nobody touched the pocket of the shirt, which covers only a fraction of overall surface area of the shirt then what's in the pocket will have no reason to tear, fold or rip and as for Oswald's pockets which I have again posted below, are not missing even 1 stitch and are as pristine as a newborns bum, therefore why should there be any observable deviation in the surface of the bus transfer?
Read N0. 1 above...specifically the account that at least two officers did control him from the front (again, Mr. Mytton, their words not mine). So, please explain to the rest of us how these two officers equates, quote, nobody touched the pocket of the shirt, unquote
Thirdly we don't know if the transfer was actually in his shirt pocket at the time, while sitting in prison he may have checked his pants pockets and transferred the transfer to his shirt pocket?
Fair and potentially likely, but the gray pants suffered worse damage in that intense physical-struggle than the shirt. Don't have my notes handy at the moment (on a public computer), but will try to retrace my steps back here before week's end to display them as one of the Warren Commission exhibits on record.
Fourthly there is Bledsoe who was on the bus and the day after in her affidavit gave a lot of specific details about that bus journey that didn't become public until later, Police Chief Curry on Saturday was telling reporters that he heard a "negro" in a car had picked up Oswald.
Mr. Mytton, you are too smart to believe anything Mrs. Bledsoe conjures up or parrots back amid her scripted lines, right? You are smarter than that, Mr. Mytton.
Fifthly and what makes this particular debate pointless is that Oswald himself admitted to multiple interrogators that he caught a bus!
He also said, quote, "I didn't shoot anybody", unquote...so, humour those of us reading along Mr. Mytton and explain why you believe the hearsay scripted 'evidence" to frame him but have a difficult time believing him speaking directly into the rolling cameras and stating, once again, quote, "I didn't shoot anybody", unquote. Mum always told me growing up lad you cannot have your cake and eat it too...so, Mr. Mytton, Why do you believe their hearsay scripted "evidence" but fail to believe everything the wrongly-accused said?
Btw how does the conspirators inventing Oswald getting on and off a bus with all of the possible easily detectable flaws make any sense? Oswald got on and off a bus, get over it.
Wrong!
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JohnM
Brief recap:
The bus-transfer "evidence' is a manufactured prop, mired in the stench of horse manure amid a hastily contrived script to Frame an innocent party.
Mr. McWatters tells us all we need to know about that manufactured & subsequently planted "evidence" ---->
Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
OMG, a bus driver who transports hundreds of people couldn't positively identify a random passenger who was only on his bus for a matter of minutes and you find that evidence of Oswald's innocence, you can't be serious? But didn't McWatter's have access to the tickets and the unique hole punch which was the only way for Oswald's ticket to be punched, so does that make McWatter's part of the conspiracy and if so why wouldn't he identify the patsy, who according to you guys was impossible to miss?
Also when are you finally going to explain why "they" invented a 2 block bus journey?
And again if you missed it, here's Oswald's Bus transfer which shows multiple folds, and just to rub it in here's a close up of Oswald's pristine shirt pockets showing, oops!
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Btw why do you people keep quoting Warren Commissions testimony, then on the other hand tell us that whatever testimony doesn't support conspiracy is because the FBI altered it?
JohnM
Also when are you finally going to explain why "they" invented a 2 block bus journey?
JohnM
But that makes no sense either as there is a rock solid cab ride story which Oswald himself confirmed.
Rock solid as in Von Pein rock solid?
Oswald wearing two jackets being dropped off in the wrong block entering rooming house in shirtsleeves - - ROFL
Oh, and Whaley picked wrong dude at the lineup (Chapman has the details) - - LOL
Chapman got his details from Whaley who stated that the guy who turned out to be Oswald was the guy he hauled.
Sure, let's count along with Chapman:
Uh oh, wrong bloke -- LOL
But the #2 guy picked by Whaley turned out not to be Oswald (as we know him).
You were doing so well counting and now you talk nonsense.
What happened?
But the #2 guy picked by Whaley turned out not to be Oswald (as we know him).
You were doing so well counting and now you talk nonsense.
What happened?
Whaley remembered the position of the guy he picked very specifically, counting left or right.
Even to the degree that Chapman insisted on quoting him -- LOL
Did you ever figure out what happened to the two jackets "Oswald" was wearing in the cab?
The same Whaley who said he saw Oswald's photo on t.v. and also said OSWALD was wearing a blue denim trousers and jacket.
And the guy he said you couldn't miss him in the line up
Btw another piece of Logic that seemingly is eluding you is that Whaley was ready for a fare which could go many miles in any direction and Whaley's Cab picks up a passenger in the right place at about the right time and then drops his passenger just past Oswald's rooming house,
But that makes no sense either as there is a rock solid cab ride story which Oswald himself confirmed.
Rock solid as in Von Pein rock solid?
Oswald wearing two jackets being dropped off in the wrong block entering rooming house in shirtsleeves - - ROFL
Oh, and Whaley picked wrong dude at the lineup (Chapman has the details) - - LOL
OMG, a bus driver who transports hundreds of people couldn't positively identify a random passenger who was only on his bus for a matter of minutes and you find that evidence of Oswald's innocence, you can't be serious?
Now is your time to excel.
Name a single bus driver who took Oswald to work (and back) on week days for 6 weeks.
The same Whaley who remembered there being SIX men in the lineup.
The same Whaley who said he saw Oswald's photo on t.v. and also said OSWALD was wearing a blue denim trousers and jacket.
And the guy he said you couldn't miss him in the line up
"At that time he had on a pair of black pants and white T-shirt, that is all he had on. But you could have picked him out without identifying him by just listening to him because he was bawling out the policeman, telling them it wasn't right to put him in line with these teenagers and all of that and they asked me which one and I told them. It was him all right, the same man."
The words "Set up" come to mind
"in the right place at about the right time". LOL.
Trip sheet times are not correct as per Whaley and doesn't match the time line, you really suck at this -- ROFL
Now is your time to excel.
Name a single bus driver who took Oswald to work (and back) on week days for 6 weeks.
"just past Oswald's rooming house" -- LOL
Five(!) blocks according to Whaley's trip sheet.
Equals a 10(!) minute walk (Googlemaps) back to "Oswald's" rooming house -- ROFL
If you have time today, and a partner to work with, try this small experiment. Place a piece of 3 x 6 paper in your breast pocket. Ask your partner to merely use one iron-clad tight-fisted grip upon that pocket and tug both ways in opposite directions several times.
Don't blame us, the DP invented Whaley.
The DP went out to pick up Scoggins, returned with Whaley as well -- learn the evidence.
But his trip sheet makes no sense in relation to the proposed timeline and location of rooming house.
At what time did Oswald enter the cab?
The DP went out to pick up Scoggins, returned with Whaley as well -- learn the evidence.
But his trip sheet makes no sense in relation to the proposed timeline and location of rooming house.
At what time did Oswald enter the cab?
I'm going by the evidence whether you like it or not.
The DP brought in Whaley according to reports, fact.
When did Oswald enter the cab?
I'm going by the evidence whether you like it or not.
The DP brought in Whaley according to reports, fact.
When did Oswald enter the cab?
They called up the police and they came up and got me.
Not sure that's what the reports say, will have to check up on that when time permits....
You may think you go by the evidence but as the above example demonstrates, your comprehension skills and your ability for logical deductive reasoning suck.
Why would my lack of skills prevent you from answering my question:
When did Oswald enter the cab?
(You have worked out a timeline, haven't you?)
Not sure that's what the reports say
will have to check up on that when time permits....
When did Oswald enter the cab?
This one also passed the 24 hour mark...
Still cracking the numbers, Mytton?
ROFL
I already dealt with this crap, at least pay attention.
A cab, 85 cents, not Whaley's cab. At least pay attention.
How did you calculate "chances"?
Don't blame us, the DP invented Whaley.
The passenger then continued south on Beckley -- ROFL
Oswald in a hurry wasting 10 minutes sure is worth a laugh, thanks!
I'm going by the evidence whether you like it or not.
The DP brought in Whaley according to reports, fact.
When did Oswald enter the cab?
... as if the lies of officialdom's hastily contrived script even deserves a response, let alone an explanation of their own undoing.
There's No audio & video recordings of those multiple interrogations...there's a reason for that.
The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.
Wrong. Again, Mr. Mytton,
unless you can actually produce irrefutable proof that the wrongly-accused said this or that, please be advised that critical-thinkers know the difference between what someone actually says and what a hastily contrived script said he said.
In fairness to you though, go ahead sir enlighten those of us reading along where the wrongly-accused said in his own words that he was anywhere near a bus or cab, let alone boarding or climbing into one.
You cannot do it, Can you, Mr. Mytton? There's a reason for that.
Moreover, IF there was ever any authentic evidence in this Frame up, there would have been a legitimate audio & video recording of the proceedings of those multiple interrogations. The reason why this Frame up is void of audio and video recording is because the wrongly-accused was telling the Truth (standing outside upon shots echoing in Dealey Plaza; being seen on the first floor by a small storage room by more than a few TSBD employees...immediately after a duly elected representative of the People was cowardly ambushed; then came to the aid of Inspector Sawyer; then stepped out in the Autumn crisp air via the front-door-entrance after taking a few seconds to show a news reporter where he may find a telephone; and, upon spotting his supervisor, Mr. Shelley, walked toward his position on lower Elm Street; and, stood there with him for, quote, 5-10 minutes, unquote.
Anything else is a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure about a phantom bus boarding to be involved in the events at 10th & Patton (please excuse the eye-roll).
Now, once again, in fairness to you, go ahead and provide the wrongly-accused's authentic voice saying anything about a bus or cab ride...
Moreover, IF there was ever any authentic evidence in this Frame up, there would have been a legitimate audio & video recording of the proceedings of those multiple interrogations.
Anything else is a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure about a phantom bus boarding to be involved in the events at 10th & Patton (please excuse the eye-roll).
Brief Recap:
Did the wrongly-accused board Mr. McWatters' bus? ----->
Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Once again, Mr. McWatters for clarity-sake ---->
Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Unlike, Mr. Whaley, the cab driver who has a penchant for "just guessing" up "evidence", Are you certain, Mr. McWatters ---->
Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Now, moving along, Mr. Mytton has been extended an opportunity to produce authentic evidence that the wrongly-accused, in his own words, not words put into his mouth amid a hastily contrived script to Frame him after he drew his last breath (again, in his own words) anything about climbing into a cab...
Now, moving along, Mr. Mytton has been extended an opportunity to produce authentic evidence that the wrongly-accused, in his own words, not words put into his mouth amid a hastily contrived script to Frame him after he drew his last breath (again, in his own words) anything about climbing into a cab...
Mr. BALL. Did you have any tape recorder?
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I don't have a tape recorder. We need one, if we had one at this time we could have handled these conversations far better.
Mr. BALL. The Dallas Police Department doesn't have one?
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I have requested one several times but so far they haven't gotten me one.
Read your script Captain Fritz like a parrot...it's amazing what some people will do & say for thirty pieces of silver.
A genuine investigation, considering the magnitude of the unfolding worldwide event, would have quite easily secured means to a tape-recorder via another locality. or even Texas state resources/equipment, let alone via the Feds who were actively involved in the multiple interrogations w/the wrongly-accused.
Again, there's no audio & video recording of those multiple-interrogations. There's a reason for that. The wrongly-accused was simply telling the Truth, thus no audio & video recording could be shared with the general public/world.
The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
Managed to uncover evidence confirming that the Bureau did in fact use Wollensak recording equipment in the early 60's (Page 2, paragraph 2) ---->
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/D%20Disk/Dallas%20Police%20Broadcasts/Item%2030.pdf
IF Captain Fritz genuinely cared to record those multiple-recordings he could have easily made a request of the Bureau to use their vast resources; however, he chose to parrot back the script in front of him about not having a tape-recorder (amazing what some lying treasonous cowards will do & say for thirty pieces of silver).
So, again, the reason why those multiple interrogations are void of audio & video recording is because the entire world would have heard the plain simple Truth from the wrongly accused (as oppose to the words put into his mouth by those Framing him).
Appreciate your contribution to the discourse, Mr. Organ, however I personally don't believe the Bureau only had access to a single tape-recording machine, given how many field-offices they had all around the country. Do you have something those of reading along may reference confirming that the Bureau had only a single tape-recording machine?
Again, the reason no audio & video footage is readily available for public consumption has less to do with securing the necessary equipment for those multiple-interrogations than to void/suppress any means to display the wrongly-accused's complete innocence.
Last thought today, be safe everyone as COVID-19 rears its menace again...am leaving the following link here for further review later this week...
https://www.smecc.org/wollensak_tape_recorders.htm
Given the immense popularity of this equipment even as early as circa 1950's, IF Captain Fritz genuinely wanted to record those multiple-interrogations, he could have made an appeal to the general public for use of one. Whether it's the Bureau, the general public, etc., there was no genuine effort to secure the means to create audio & video sharing during those multiple-interrogations... very telling considering the magnitude of the case being "investigated".
Audio & video sharing for public consumption was simply voided at all cost because the wrongly-accused was telling the plain simple Truth. It was much easier to Frame him by putting words into his mouth (he said this, he said that; he did this, he did that) after he drew his last breath.
Brief recap:
*The wrongly-accused did Not board Mr. McWatters' bus, let alone request a bus-transfer.
*The cab driver--with a penchant for just guessing up "evidence" proclaims he only signed what he was told he said...
*Then there's the plain simple Truth (the wrongly-accused standing outside the front-entrance on the front steps when the cowardly ambush of a duly elected representative of the People took place; being seen by more than a few TSBD employees by a small storage room on the first floor; coming to the aid of Inspector Sawyer; and, pointing out where a rookie news reporter could find a phone as he himself stepped outside the front-entrance doors into the Autumn crisp air, venturing down Elm Street towards his supervisor, and standing w/the same for 5-10 minutes (thanks to Mr. Mentesana's home video footage).
It was much easier to Frame him by putting words into his mouth (he said this, he said that; he did this, he did that) after he drew his last breath.
Didn't apply to Homicide Captains, you must have your notes mixed up:
Mr. FRITZ. I can remember the thing that I said to him and what he said to me, but I will have trouble telling you which period of questioning those questions were in because I kept no notes at the time, and these notes and things that I have made I would have to make several days later, and the questions may be in the wrong place.
Only a true witch would deny being a witch.
German native Rudolph Brenk, a general supervisor at Exline-Lowdon
Company and vice-president of the Camera Guild of Texas, an 8mm camera club...Brenk was president of the 18 members of the "Dallas Cinema Associates, Inc.
*Source: exemplary research of Mr. Weisberg (Harold)
Per a white pages telephone search today, Mr. Brenk may still be alive ---->
Rudolph V Brenk from Greenville, TX
Age: 101 years old
What a gold mine IF he still has much of the film the 18 members of the group did not use in their finished product, the Dallas Cinema Associates filming sequence. Of course, they didn't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, or being in two places, where a sharp eyed DCA member, with a keen sense of attention-to-detail noticed the man apprehended in the Texas Theatre wore the same clothing (brown shirt & grey coloured pants), filmed earlier upon the man captured in Mr. Mentesana's home movie filming sequence, standing outside down on lower Elm Street w/his supervisor, thus special agent Bookhout's notes revealing the wrongly-accused's assertion to that fact...for, quote, "5-10 minutes".
It's no coincidence that both men are of the same build either. Same hair color. The wrongly-accused did Not board a bus, let alone ask for the manufactured bus-transfer "evidence" planted after that intense physical struggle with five officers. The wrongly-accused was nowhere near, let alone responsible for the events across town at 10th & Patton. Mr. Mentesana's home movie places him still in Dealey Plaza loooong after the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure has him "escaping" via a bus, a taxi, hitching a ride upon the exploits of the magic-bullet bs, etc yada, yada, yada.
Back later this week to reengage, listen & learn. Perhaps by then Mr. Mytton may produce some actual, credible evidence from the wrongly-accused's own voice about that phantom bus & cab ride, rather than continue to rely upon manufactured "evidence" to Frame him. Quite easy to Frame the wrongly-accused after he drew his last breath...He said this. He said that. He did this. He did that.
Contrary to the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure amid manufactured "evidence" ---->
The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
Back later this week to reengage, listen & learn.
Quite easy to Frame the wrongly-accused after he drew his last breath...He said this. He said that. He did this. He did that.
Again, the reason why there is no audio & video recordings readily available for public-consumption is very telling. The wrongly-accused was simply telling the Truth (about his genuine whereabouts that afternoon). He was much easier to Frame by avoiding audio & video for public-consumption in favor of inserting words into his mouth after he drew his last breath.
Contrary to the hastily contrived scripted version of the wrongly-accused's manner of leaving Dealey Plaza and at what time, the next phase of this thread will take a much closer examination/look at some possibilities/means of travel from the plaza to the Texas Theatre.
I have no quarrel w/the late Roger Craig (RIP), so in fairness I will take some time this week to review his account about observing the wrongly-accused climbing into a Rambler station wagon. I believe an eyewitness also shares an account of the same...further examination will confirm this one way or the other. I'm not personally sold on his claim, but because it stacks up much better than the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure amid manufactured "evidence" to Frame an innocent party, it merits a much closer examination.
Other possibilities come to mind, one being the wrongly-accused's ties to the Bureau during his sojourn down in New Orleans prior to his arrival in Dallas. Was he working for the Bureau as an informant? Will certainly explore this as well. We know he didn't get on Mr. McWatters' bus, let alone ask for a bus-transfer. What we don't know for sure--in spite of the horse manure spread to the contrary--is how he genuinely left Dealey Plaza and ended up on Jefferson at Mr. Brewer's Hardy's Shoe Store?
Mr. Mentesana's home video footage places the wrongly-accused still in Dealey Plaza standing on Elm Street as late as 12:48PM.
What we don't know for sure--in spite of the horse manure spread to the contrary--is how he genuinely left Dealey Plaza and ended up on Jefferson at Mr. Brewer's Hardy's Shoe Store?
I have no quarrel w/the late Roger Craig (RIP)
so in fairness I will take some time this week to review his account about observing the wrongly-accused climbing into a Rambler station wagon.
I'm not personally sold on his claim, but because it stacks up much better than the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure amid manufactured "evidence" to Frame an innocent party, it merits a much closer examination.
Other possibilities come to mind, one being the wrongly-accused's ties to the Bureau during his sojourn down in New Orleans prior to his arrival in Dallas.
Was he working for the Bureau as an informant?
Will certainly explore this as well.
We know he didn't get on Mr. McWatters' bus, let alone ask for a bus-transfer.
What we don't know for sure--in spite of the horse manure spread to the contrary
Mr. Mentesana's home video footage places the wrongly-accused still in Dealey Plaza standing on Elm Street as late as 12:48PM.
*self-reminder, proceed w/caution later this week to avoid dismissing altogether Roger Craig's observations.
Still batting .000 eh, Mr. Mytton,
The reason why the bus trip to nowhere was invented was for the following reason: to plant manufactured "evidence", a bus-transfer to imply the wrongly-accused left Dealey Plaza via public-transportation.
"to get away from the scene of the crime". LOL.
So you believe that Oswald didn't use public transport to leave Dallas, interesting, then the only other alternatives that I see are that Oswald walked/jogged/ran/sprinted which is all highly unlikely or Oswald drove himself and without owning a car that's pretty difficult, or the point I raised which you haven't yet had the courage to confront because you must realize it's devastating significance, is that Oswald used an accomplice's getaway car to get himself and this unidentified accomplice away from the scene of the crime, an accomplice who just dumped Oswald off at the Texas Theatre, are you sure you want to pursue this particular narrative because it flies in the face of your claim that Oswald was wrongly accused?
JohnM
Mr. Ford, I guess you can call off the search as Mr. Mytton has lost any interest in the subject of transportation...
Unless, of course, you can somehow change his mind. I failed, apparently!
Mr. Mytton still coming up empty, w/nothing, nada, zero... to a simple question posed to him, seeking any actual, credible evidence in the wrongly-accused's own voice about that phantom bus & cab ride. Some people would rather rely upon manufactured "evidence' rather than genuine facts. Genuine facts are much harder to come by, especially when manufactured "evidence" amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure compares with facts.
While Mr. Mytton continues to struggle w/producing any actual, credible evidence in the wrongly-accused's own voice about that phantom bus & cab ride, perhaps he can reveal where & when I said anything about the wrongly-accused leaving Dealey Plaza with an accomplice. Can't do it, Mr. Mytton, Can you? There's a reason for that.
What a penchant you have for making mere assumptions & conclusions without being able to produce facts. Still struggling with a challenge posed to you a month ago; and, now, being unable to produce any statement where I said the wrongly-accused left Dealey Plaza w/an accomplice. Facts matter. Let's try to stick w/the facts, Mr. Mytton, not make assumptions about what the wrongly-accused did and/or said. Rather easy to Frame an innocent party after he has drawn his last breath.
MUCH harder to prove his guilt with mere assumptions/knee-jerk conclusions mired in the stench of horse manure amid a hastily contrived script as well.
I most certainly would not agree with Mr Mytoe ( or his partner Lil Chappie ) But I believe that Lee must have told the interrogators that He had boarded a bus and then got off that bus after a few minutes and caught a taxi to the rooming house.... there are at least five men who said that Lee told the interrogators that He had boarded a bus and then exited the bus and caught a CITY taxi to the rooming house. So even though we don't have lee himself telling us that .... I believe that it's unreasonable to deny that he told them that he had ridden a bus and a taxi to the rooming house. I don't doubt that Lee told them that he had ridden on the bus and taxi.....But there sure as hell isn't any solid evidence that the bus was driven by Cecil Mc Watters....and I'm sure that Lee was not in Bill Whaley's taxi that day....
Appreciate your contribution, Mr. Cakebread, and am certainly open to learning about any other means of transportation save for the horse manure about Mr. McWatter's bus, and Mr. Whaley's coerced "evidence".
The Truth is a beautiful thing to behold, quite the opposite of a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure amid hasty assumptions/knee-jerk conclusions in order to Frame an innocent party.
A hastily contrived script versus The Plain Simple Truth ---->
Horse manure ---->
*The wrongly-accused lurked in ambush to fire upon the president ::)
*Then amid his hasty escape, the wrongly-accused wasn't observed in a small storage room on the 1st floor immediately after the cowardly ambush on a duly elected representative of The People.
*Instead, he took immediate flight to get out of Dodge via public transportation...
*He gets on a bus, asks for a bus-transfer yada, yada, yada.
*Further embellishing the hastily contrived script, words are put into his mouth...He says this; he says that; he does this; he does that or so the horse manure reek spreads...
The Plain Simple Truth ---->
The wrongly-accused stands outside, manning the position the only unidentified male figure out on those front steps holds down.
He is seen in a short time, during the immediate aftermath of shots reverberating in Dealey Plaza, near a small storage room down on the first floor at the front-entrance side of the building.
He comes to the aid of Inspector Sawyer (no other male employee's experience during the immediate aftermath comes even close to being near the small storage room & front-entrance passenger elevators).
After coming to the aid of Inspector Sawyer, he ventures back outside, stopping briefly at the front-entrance door to point out where a rookie news reporter entering the building could find a telephone inside.
Ventures further out into the Autumn crisp air, scans the chaotic scene unfolding in front of him, spies his supervisor, Mr. Shelley, standing down on lower Elm Street. Walks down the front stairs towards him, then stands down there w/him for, quote, 5-10 minutes, unquote.
Mr. Mentesana's home video records this. It's him...in plain sight.
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Appreciate your contribution, Mr. Cakebread, and am certainly open to learning about any other means of transportation save for the horse manure about Mr. McWatter's bus, and Mr. Whaley's coerced "evidence".
The Truth is a beautiful thing to behold, quite the opposite of a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure amid hasty assumptions/knee-jerk conclusions in order to Frame an innocent party.
All for now gentlemen, back later this week to reengage. Best wishes to all to remain well, healthy & safe, free of any potential exposure to any COVID-19 variants still lingering about.
*self-reminder: take a much closer examination of Bureau agent Robert Barrett, his whereabouts, activities, etc on that fateful afternoon.
*Also, in the spirit of an open mind, given Mr. Cakebread's contribution, will look into the possibility of the wrongly-accused taking public transportation aside from the horse manure spread about Mr. McWatter's bus & Mr. Whaley's coerced "evidence".
Could he have taken public-transportation at a much later time? Was there a timing-sequence challenge to the hastily contrived script to overcome, thus enter the horse manure about the false means (McWatters & Whaley) purposely scripted at an earlier time to embellish the false narrative starring him at the events of 10th & Patton...
I seriously doubt that the transfer was in his shirt pocket at the theater because the cops nearly ripped that shirt off his back. Therefore any flimsy paper bus transfer would not have remained in pristine condition.
The bus transfer was not in Pristine condition and was folded, and the shirt pockets on Oswald's shirt show absolutely no sign of being torn or ripped, they are literally pristine!
(https://i.postimg.cc/v873Gmxh/back-of-oswald-bus-transfer.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1LK3xGR/Osw-ald-left-pocket.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMsc4Q0r/Osw-ald-right-pocket.jpg)
JohnM
Wrong shirt ...dumb bell....
This is NOT the reddish brown shirt with the button down collar that Lee was wearing at the TSBD that morning, and which he left in the rooming house room. Read Detective Potts list of the items that were removed from the rooming house room.
Wrong shirt ...dumb bell....
This is NOT the reddish brown shirt with the button down collar that Lee was wearing at the TSBD that morning, and which he left in the rooming house room. Read Detective Potts list of the items that were removed from the rooming house room.
Thanks for your opinion but the shirt in evidence is the same one Oswald was wearing when arrested, In the following collage you can even count the differing shaded threads and the corresponding shaded areas. Btw what is your real purpose here and who's paying you?
JohnM
Thanks for your opinion but the shirt in evidence is the same one Oswald was wearing when arrested, In the following collage you can even count the differing shaded threads and the corresponding shaded areas. Btw what is your real purpose here and who's paying you?
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/17/jfk-exhibit-16_9.jpg)
JohnM
Thanks for your opinion but the shirt in evidence is the same one Oswald was wearing when arrested, In the following collage you can even count the differing shaded threads and the corresponding shaded areas. Btw what is your real purpose here and who's paying you?
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/17/jfk-exhibit-16_9.jpg)
JohnM
Bill Whaley was a typical cabbie BSer..... I suspect that his IQ was subnormal. So while thrusting himself into the events of 11-22-63 when BSin with his fellow cabbies, he crowed that he unwittingly had carried the assassin out to Oak cliff after the assassination. There's little doubt that he transported a young man out to Oakcliff....but that man was NOT Lee Oswald.
He was dressed entirely differently than Lee Oswald and Whaley said the man gave him a dollar for the ride... Lee Said that he rode in a CITY cab and he paid the driver 85 cents. (So the trip was about a tenth of a mile shorter than Whaley's trip.
Briefly in a nut shell.....according to the tale, Lee had a nearly pristine bus transfer in his possession at the time of his interrogation.
I seriously doubt that the transfer was in his shirt pocket at the theater because the cops nearly ripped that shirt off his back. Therefore any flimsy paper bus transfer would not have remained in pristine condition.
I strongly suspect that Lee got the transfer when he exited the bus and he placed it his shirt pocket. ( he thoght that he could use it to board another bus to take him to the rooming house, but it was never used...He caught a CITY cab and rode in the cab to the rooming house. When he changed his clothes the transfer remained in his dis card shirt pocket where it remained in good condition. As I recall the transfer first emerges into the evidence stream at about 6:00 O'clock that evening. This would be after Lee's possessions from the rooming house were brought to DPD headquarters. I believe that's where the bus transfer was found.
Lee may have originally thought that he could use the transfer after he left the rooming house to catch a bus to take him to near the theater ( Jefferson & Zangs) But he forgot the transfer that was in the shirt pocket at the rooming house. You may recall that Mrs Roberts said that Lee was looking up Zangs. He could possibly looking to see if the south bound bus was in sight.
*self-reminder: take a much closer examination of Bureau agent Robert Barrett,
You'll be scrutinizing one of Hoover's lap dog's. ( Hoover's extra special--- special agent) I believe that you'll find that Mr Barrett was already in the Texas theater when Lee arrived there..... If that's true...Then the logical question is:.... What the hell was he doing there??
An interesting read, Mr. Cakebread, thanks for sharing.
Major difference between one cab-carrier than another...not to mention Mr. Whaley's inflation of 85 cents. All-in-all your keen sense of attention to detail discounts officialdom's fictitious account amid their prevailing penchant for relying upon manufactured "evidence". Coerced as well @ Mr. Whaley ------>
Mr. WHALEY. I never saw what they had in there. It was all written out by hand. I signed my name because they said that is what I said.
Oh, my!, Mr. Cakebread, that's quite a bombshell revelation. Care to share your *source revealing the possibility of the Bureau having personnel in the Texas Theatre? There's been some exemplary work done by other researchers covering the wrongly-accused's activities down in New Orleans, making the case he had ties to Bureau personnel.
As far as you know, to save me some poking around, Was Mr. Barrett in New Orleans during the Summer of 1963?
Mr. WHALEY. "I never saw what they had in there. It was all written out by hand. I signed my name because they said that is what I said."
Bill Whaley ( God rest his Bullshippng soul ) Was illiterate. He couldn't read...... The hapless fool got in over his head when he bragged to his fellow cabbies that he had unwittingly transported the assassin to Oak cliff. And had the investigation been a true investigation the cops would have known that Whaley was BS- ing. He said he picked up his passenger at 12:30.... Lee Oswald was at the TSBD at 12:30.
Whaley said that his passenger was wearing a BLUE JACKET and BLUE trousers..... Lee was not wearing a Jacket ... And his shirt was reddish brown with a BUTTON DOWN COLLAR...and his trousers were dark gray.
Lee Oswald was NOT in Whaley's cab that day.....
There were three FBI agents in the Texas theater at the time that Lee was apprehended..... THIS IS A FACT! The obvious queston is: What the hell were they doing there?? Lee allegedly entered the theater without buying a ticket. ( probably not true ) ....But I'm compelled to ask; would that be a federal crime?
But let's say that Lee was being pursued by the DPD as a suspect in the shooting of JD Tippit ... Does the FBI get involved in the affairs of the local police ?? And I'd like to know where FBI agent James Hosty got all of the information about Lee Oswald just minutes after Lee was dragged from the theater.
Briefly and in a nutshell .......
Just minutes after Lee's arrest Hosty told A DPD detective, Jack Revill, "Jack, A communist named Lee Oswald has shot the President. We knew that he was capable of doing it, but didn't think he would"
Bottom Line .... FBI agents at the theater.... Hosty blurting out that the FBI knew that Lee Oswald was capable of committing the assassination.....
It would appear that Lee Oswald "working" with the FBI .... and was in a hurry to get to the theater to meet with his agent and find out what the FBI wanted him to do if JFK had in fact been shot....
There were three FBI agents in the Texas theater at the time that Lee was apprehended..... THIS IS A FACT! The obvious queston is: What the hell were they doing there?? Lee allegedly entered the theater without buying a ticket. ( probably not true ) ....But I'm compelled to ask; would that be a federal crime?
But let's say that Lee was being pursued by the DPD as a suspect in the shooting of JD Tippit ... Does the FBI get involved in the affairs of the local police ?? And I'd like to know where FBI agent James Hosty got all of the information about Lee Oswald just minutes after Lee was dragged from the theater.
Briefly and in a nutshell .......
Just minutes after Lee's arrest Hosty told A DPD detective, Jack Revill, "Jack, A communist named Lee Oswald has shot the President. We knew that he was capable of doing it, but didn't think he would"
Bottom Line .... FBI agents at the theater.... Hosty blurting out that the FBI knew that Lee Oswald was capable of committing the assassination.....
It would appear that Lee Oswald "working" with the FBI .... and was in a hurry to get to the theater to meet with his agent and find out what the FBI wanted him to do if JFK had in fact been shot....
There were three FBI agents in the Texas theater at the time that Lee was apprehended..... THIS IS A FACT! The obvious queston is: What the hell were they doing there?? Lee allegedly entered the theater without buying a ticket. ( probably not true ) ....But I'm compelled to ask; would that be a federal crime?
But let's say that Lee was being pursued by the DPD as a suspect in the shooting of JD Tippit ... Does the FBI get involved in the affairs of the local police ?? And I'd like to know where FBI agent James Hosty got all of the information about Lee Oswald just minutes after Lee was dragged from the theater.
Briefly and in a nutshell .......
Just minutes after Lee's arrest Hosty told A DPD detective, Jack Revill, "Jack, A communist named Lee Oswald has shot the President. We knew that he was capable of doing it, but didn't think he would"
Bottom Line .... FBI agents at the theater.... Hosty blurting out that the FBI knew that Lee Oswald was capable of committing the assassination.....
It would appear that Lee Oswald "working" with the FBI .... and was in a hurry to get to the theater to meet with his agent and find out what the FBI wanted him to do if JFK had in fact been shot....
This is a tired, old tactic. The FBI was obviously not involved solely on the basis of someone not buying a movie ticket. That removes all context from this event. Follow along. The President of the United States was assassinated in Dallas. About an hour later a DPD officer is shot in broad daylight a short distance away. The first such officer to be killed in a several year span. Anyone with a functioning brain understands that these two events are likely related. So the search for the assassin shifts to that area. The FBI has an interested in the person who has just assassinated the President. They get a report of a suspicious person who has just entered the TT without buying a ticket. So there is a person acting suspiciously in the vicinity of the Tippit murder. If this turns out to be the person who killed Tippit, it is also in all probability the same person who assassinated JFK. A very dangerous individual. So they respond accordingly. If Oswald had been innocent, then he just explains himself as the person at the library did when similarly confronted but Oswald does not have that luxury because he is guilty. No one at the TT has a clue that their suspect is Lee Harvey Oswald or has been a person of interest to the FBI when they make the arrest. That has nothing to do with the events until his name becomes known to the FBI after his arrest.
"The President of the United States was assassinated in Dallas". Aboutan33 minutes later @ 1:06, a DPD officer is shot in broad daylight a short distance away. "Anyone with a functioning brain understands that these two events are likely related." HUH??... Not many people in Dallas thought that there might be a possible connection between the murder of JFK and the murder of J.D. Tippit. You may be one in a million Mr "Smith"....
"So the search for the assassin shifts to that area." PURE BS... Mr "Smith", The cops converged on 10th & Patton because a brother officer had been shot.
"The FBI has an interested in the person who has just assassinated the President."
Really ??... Mr "Smith",, Do you actually believe that the FBI had supernatural powers, and FBI agent James Hosty immediately knew that " A communist Named Lee Oswald has shot the president. We Knew that he was capable of this, but we didn't think that he's do it"
"They get a report of a suspicious person who has just entered the TT without buying a ticket. So there is a person acting suspiciously in the vicinity of the Tippit murder."
According to James Hosty in his Book ; Assignment : Oswald .."Sometime prior to 1:25 FBI agent Bob Barrett was on the radio and reporting that a police officer had been shot and killed in Oak Cliff, and he was on his way to check it out"
That's got to be Clairvoyance at work..... The Dallas Police are still searching the TSBD looking for a gunman , and FBI agent Bob Barret is jumping into a local crime when he should have been responding to the murder of the President.
If this turns out to be the person who killed Tippit, it is also in all probability the same person who assassinated JFK. A very dangerous individual. So they respond accordingly.
WOW!! Isn't this a quantum leap in reasoning......What is the basis for the reasoning? Isn't 20/20 hindsight great?
If Oswald had been innocent, then he just explains himself as the person at the library did when similarly confronted but Oswald does not have that luxury because he is guilty. Gibberish .....pure gibberish!
No one at the TT has a clue that their suspect is Lee Harvey Oswald or has been a person of interest to the FBI when they make the arrest. That has nothing to do with the events until his name becomes known to the FBI after his arrest.
No one at the TT knew that the man was Lee Oswald..... At 2:15 FBI agent Howe told James Hosty that the DPD had just arrested Lee Oswald at the Texas Theater. So about 20 minutes after Lee Oswald was dragged from the theater and BEFORE he'd been questioned The Fbi knew his identity.
So you believe that the FBI jumps into the fray that ensued when DPD officer Nick Mc Donald grabs a man who allegedly had snuck into the theater without buying a ticket. Is that a Federal crime?
My, my, my...not one (1) agent present in the Texas Theatre, not two (2) agents, but three (3) G-men present in what the wrongly-accused considered a "safehouse". No wonder the Federal Bureau of Investigation destroyed documents relating to the wrongly-accused after President Kennedy's death...
Mr. Hosty's name and phone number was actually found in the wrongly-accused's address-book, not to mention his superior--Mr. Shanklin (Gordon)-told him to destroy a letter the wrongly-accused wrote to him. Those of us reading along here could easily bet the farm there wasn't anything in that letter incriminating the wrongly-accused at all, as much as bombshell revelations revealing information the Bureau did not wish to be viewed for public-consumption. IF there was anything incriminating in that letter it would have been flashed across all of the major newspapers around the country & worldwide in large bold print. Mr. Shanklin's order to destroy its contents is rather telling.
The same reason those multiple interrogations over a three day period are void of audio & video recordings. "Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practise to deceive" -- Sir Walter Scott
Appreciate your contribution, Mr. Cakebread, thanks for sharing. The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
My memory isn't as good as it once was.....But I believe that one of the FBI agents who was in the Texas theater was from the New Orleans FBI office. ( Warren De Brueys ? ) A few years ago I could have told you the names of the FBI agents in the theater ,but I can't recall their names at the moment .
An interesting date stamp (took the liberty of highlighting it), concerning the wrongly-accused ---->
SAC, XJAUiAS (lOO-lO^ei) 7/17/S3 f
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SAC, KE;: OELEANS (100-16G01) 'j
LEE HARVEY OSWALD 61! - C
(00 - Dallas),
Be Dallas "letter to New Orleans 4/28/61.
Begs the question, Why are two different Bureau offices exchanging info on someone still residing in the U.S.S.R on 4/28/61 ?
Who just so happens, 13 months later arrives stateside, then travels to and from the two destinations discussing him a full year in advance of his return stateside ? Sheep dipping?
The wrongly-accused was Framed.
...review why Ms. Postal's affidavit was written up days well after the wrongly-accused took his last breath rather than on the actual date he "ducked" into the movie theatre.They had to get the story straight.
They had to get the story straight.
An astute assessment there, Mr. Freeman, but even with all of their "cuts", "do-overs", and "revisions" she still couldn't discern her left from her right, nor any sense of direction from her East or West. No great surprise--given the challenging nature of trying to embellish a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.
From Mr. Murphy (Sean's) Prayer Man position, nowhere near the 2nd floor, let alone the sixth, the wrongly-accused stood outside atop the entrance steps as the presidential limousine turned off Houston onto Elm Street. Moreover, at the very least (given Mr. Warnock's revelation about the dispatch time of Fire Station 3's big red engine @ 1:02PM) the wrongly-accused was still in Dealey Plaza well after 1:02PM in order for him to be displayed in Mr. Mentesana's filming sequence capturing both him and Fire Station 3's big red engine in the same photo frame together.
Essentially, nowhere near the unfolding events at 10th & Patton. The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.
*self-reminder: continue to develop the lead regarding Bureau special-agent Warren Claude Debruey's; and, by next week's return make a decision on whether "Mr. Howard" or "Howard" is none other than Agency spy-master George Joannides...the 41 years of age is correct in 1963, the short-stature in height, the signature for being well-dressed is obvious, the eye-glasses enhances the prospects but take another run at confirmation of an olive skin tone given his Greek ancestry. Why did this man purposely stonewall a legitimate investigation into the Agency's foreknowledge?
**Bears taking another run at Bureau agent Odum as well, given he was actually inside the Texas Theatre. Could he have been the carrot-stick ruse the wrongly-accused was lead to believe would be his "contact" inside the theatre...given Mr. Davis (Jack's) observations of the wrongly-accused's notable display of playing "musical-chairs" as he moved from seat to seat, sitting momentarily near others inside the theatre...
Back next week the good Lord willing. Best wishes to all who may pass this way to remain well, safe, healthy and free of any lingering COVID-19 variants.
Could he have been the carrot-stick ruse the wrongly-accused was lead to believe would be his "contact" inside the theatre...given Mr. Davis (Jack's) observations of the wrongly-accused's notable display of playing "musical-chairs" as he moved from seat to seat, sitting momentarily near others inside the theatre...
Lee was definitely in a hurry to get to the Theater.....He had never ridden in a Taxi because he said he could travel in and around Dallas by using the bus system and transferring from bus to bus to reach his destination. He would never have hired a taxi to travel to the rooming house, if he was merely going to watch some old WWII war movies. He was headed for the Texas Theater and a meeting with his handler ( manipulator) .... And that manipulator was an FBI agent who Lee trusted.
He was aware that JFK had been shot...and he was anxious to meet his handler to see if he should continue with the plan to flee to Cuba
He was headed for the Texas Theater and a meeting with his handler ( manipulator) .... And that manipulator was an FBI agent who Lee trusted.
....and he was anxious to meet his handler to see if he should continue with the plan to flee to Cuba
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I'm sure you can provide some? Waiting.....Zzzzzz......
JohnM
I probably can't provide you with any evidence that Lee had an appointment to keep, because you're simply too damned dumb.
But Captain Fritz knew that Lee didn't go to the theater to simply watch an old war movie. Fritz recognized that Lee was in a hurry to get to the theater ....Fritz was not very bright but he was intelligent enough to recognize that Lee was in a hurry to get to the theater when he left the TSBD. And he assumed that Lee Oswald had shot JD Tippit at the theater....So there was no need to ask Lee about the Tippit shooting. All he needed was Lee's admission that he was at the theater.....And he really didn't even need that. Thus...Fritz didn't ask Lee any questions about the Tippit shooting.
Lee had told Fritz that he went from the TSBD to the theater by bus. Lee omitted the taxi ride because he knew that Fritz would ask him why he was in such a hurry to get to the theater.... but Fritz thought that Whaley had transported Lee to Oak Cliff, and he confronted Lee with the knowledge that he knew that Lee had hired a taxi to take him to the rooming house.
I probably can't provide you with any evidence....
That's the understatement of the year, you're just a sad bitter old man who makes up crap in a misguided attempt to make yourself feel important and as I have already told you, it's time to take a break and reconnect with reality before you descend any further into the abyss of your vivid imagination.
JohnM
Not a single word in the way of rebuttal ..... Simply an ad hominem attack on the messenger. Why do you revert to that old in effective strategy Mytone?
Could he have been the carrot-stick ruse the wrongly-accused was lead to believe would be his "contact" inside the theatre...given Mr. Davis (Jack's) observations of the wrongly-accused's notable display of playing "musical-chairs" as he moved from seat to seat, sitting momentarily near others inside the theatre...
Lee was definitely in a hurry to get to the Theater.....He had never ridden in a Taxi because he said he could travel in and around Dallas by using the bus system and transferring from bus to bus to reach his destination. He would never have hired a taxi to travel to the rooming house, if he was merely going to watch some old WWII war movies. He was headed for the Texas Theater and a meeting with his handler ( manipulator) .... And that manipulator was an FBI agent who Lee trusted.
He was aware that JFK had been shot...and he was anxious to meet his handler to see if he should continue with the plan to flee to Cuba
self-reminder: determine if Houston St. behind the TSBD in November 1963 came to a dead end road closure, or if indeed it ran continuously out of Dealey Plaza.The street was closed to traffic until that fire truck left. The fire truck was utilized to divert traffic for about an hour maybe.
Moreover, at the very least (given Mr. Warnock's revelation about the dispatch time of Fire Station 3's big red engine @ 1:02PM) the wrongly-accused was still in Dealey Plaza well after 1:02PM in order for him to be displayed in Mr. Mentesana's filming sequence capturing both him and Fire Station 3's big red engine in the same photo frame together.I'll try and link that.....
The street was closed to traffic until that fire truck left. The fire truck was utilized to divert traffic for about an hour maybe. I'll try and link that.....
The earlier posted frames come from this video clip starting at 6:24 -----
My sole interest here is to establish if Houston Street was an accessible route to the Texas Theatre (3.0 miles away) between Mr. Mentesana's home movie recording of the wrongly-accused still in Dealey Plaza (sometime after 1:02PM CST) up to his apprehension time 48 minutes later.It is difficult to ascertain the absolute identity of the man with the open shirt and his activity. However...it does not gel with the time of either the bus/cab report or the observation of a sheriff's deputy claiming he saw Oswald enter a car heading west on Elm right after the shots. Either direction could lead southwesterly toward the theater.
Is the guy with the stupid looking jacket under arrest...or being escorted?
(https://i.ibb.co/bvgZzfD/old-man-zoom-3-411x477.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M1D4MXQ)
Is the guy with the stupid looking jacket under arrest...or being escorted?
(https://i.ibb.co/bvgZzfD/old-man-zoom-3-411x477.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M1D4MXQ)
It is difficult to ascertain the absolute identity of the man with the open shirt and his activity. However...it does not gel with the time of either the bus/cab report or the observation of a sheriff's deputy claiming he saw Oswald enter a car heading west on Elm right after the shots. Either direction could lead southwesterly toward the theater.
Most likely being escorted with the distance between them. Hard to say for sure.
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...determine if Houston St. behind the TSBD in November 1963 came to a dead end road closure, or if indeed it ran continuously out of Dealey Plaza.
The only problem with the "pristine" bus transfer is, it actually isn't!
The back of Oswald's bus transfer shows numerous creases
So? Anyway the claim that the transfer isn't pristine is correct. But there is another problem---That transfer was incomplete [unusable]
Gil Jesus explains here...
https://gil-jesus.com/?page_id=1280
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Oswald's transfer was good for a certain time after the turn of the hour. So the tear line is straight across.
So? Anyway the claim that the transfer isn't pristine is correct. But there is another problem---That transfer was incomplete [unusable]
Gil Jesus explains here...
https://gil-jesus.com/?page_id=1280
(https://i1.wp.com/gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/ticket-comparison.jpg?w=691&ssl=1)
It was a 'sort of' dead end. It was possible to cross the tracks and drive into what is now called the 'West End'...
(https://abcnews.go.com/assets/static/interactives/jfk-zoom/img/jfk.jpg?v=2)
See the blonde guy [with his fist clenched having just picked up a bullet from the ground]
I believe that is the same guy standing to the left of the police car in the other photo.
He was not an identifiable Dallas authority [IOW probably a Fed guy]
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Anyone can see that the transfer stub was not torn but rather cut. Nice try though.Of course it's cut. Just as McWatters said transfer cutting was the norm.
The bus transfer was not in Pristine condition and was folded, and the shirt pockets on Oswald's shirt show absolutely no sign of being torn or ripped, they are literally pristine!
(https://i.postimg.cc/v873Gmxh/back-of-oswald-bus-transfer.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1LK3xGR/Osw-ald-left-pocket.jpg)
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JohnM
Contrary to the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure to Frame an innocent party, the wrongly-accused was not the man on Mr. McWatters' bus, let alone asking for a bus transfer ---->
Mr. McWATTERS. I told them to the best of my knowledge, I said the man that I picked out was the same height, about the same height, weight and description. But as far as actually saying that is the man I couldn’t–
Mr. BALL. You couldn’t do it?
Mr. McWATTERS. I wouldn’t do it and I wouldn’t do it now.
(2 H 279 )
In every instance in this case, the "evidence" framing the wrongly-accused is manufactured. A genuine investigation would have left no stone unturned, beginning with the following Freudian slip ---->
Mr. Truly. So I went back downstairs with Chief Lumpkin.
Mr. BELIN. When you got on the sixth floor, did you happen to go over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor at about that time or not?
Mr. TRULY. No, sir; I sure didn't.
Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.
On more time for the record, M. Truly ---->
It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.[/i]
Last time, Mr. Truly ---->
It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.[/i]
With ample time to stage a sniper's nest: plant the shell casings; and rifle to Frame an innocent party. What did they promise you, Mr. Truly, thirty pieces of shiny silver?
“Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.
” ― George Washington
"He merely states that he could not identify Oswald as the man on his bus. Not that he wasn't on the bus." -- Mr. Smith
Oh, dear
:D
At least You got the first part right, quote, he could not identify Oswald as the man on his bus.Okay, now show those of us reading along where Mr. McWatters states anywhere within his sworn testimony that the wrongly-accused was on the bus. Cannot do it, Can you? There's a reason for that.
Have to go folks. Semper Fi baby Semper Fi (Always Faithful to God, Country, and Corps) <---- The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
Wow. You cite testimony in which McWatters indicates that Oswald was consistent in appearance with the man he remembers getting on the bus but that he just can't conclusively confirm it was him. From this you somehow believe it proves Oswald was not on the bus! It does no such thing.
Well, at least less than convincing.
And Oswald's presence on the bus was conclusively proven by another witness who actually knew him
Assuming you mean Bledsoe (with her prefab answers), the WC provided ZERO evidence to support she knew Oswald.
along with his possession of the bus transfer.
Not so fast. If Bledsoe was ever on that bus, according to McWatters, she entered on Marsalis when Oswald (allegedly) had already left the bus carrying the transfer.
BUMMER.
You can't have it both ways. Either the transfer is not Oswald's or Bledsoe is FOS. Or both.
In addition, Oswald's presence on the bus to nowhere does absolutely nothing to advance any objective from the conspirators' perspective.
It took care of Roger Craig's sighting reported to Fritz.
They would have had no possible reason to fabricate this story
Wrong, see above (and possibly others you have no clue about.)
which would have entailed enormous risk to them
Not with Henry Wade on board. You (also) have no clue how they would access risk.
as you unintentionally point out with your misrepresentation of McWatters testimony.
Um?
What if, for example, McWatters and other random witness on the bus swore that Oswald never got on the bus?
Look up Milton Jones. Didn't deter the WC from kooking up a false timeline. You just proved yourself wrong.
Why take that risk for no purpose?
False premise, rookie mistake.
How did they even know which bus would be in the vicinity? Didn't they have enough on their plate assassinating the president, framing an innocent person, covering up the escape of the actual assassins etc.?
False premise, relying on preplanned bus ride.
They also needed to stage a bus ride that takes Oswald nowhere necessitating a fake cab ride. Silly.
Indeed, what a stupid mistake initially running along with Blesoe.
So needy for my attention. If your fantasy conspirators required a cover story for "Roger Craig's sighting" (cue sinister Oliver Stone music) then the cab story would suffice. Obviously, there would be no need to contrive a fake bus ride that takes Oswald nowhere with all the risk that entails including convincing a bus load of random bus passengers not to blow the cover story. And those conspirators sure were smart to know beforehand that someone would see Oswald getting a ride and know they needed to figure out which bus would be in the area. Also it was very helpful of them to give a lift to the very guy they wanted to take the fall for the assassination! And thereby risk exposing themselves by being seen giving him a lift as you suggest they did here. Thus, highlighting the astounding stupidity of your entire baseless premise without apparently even realizing it. Comedy gold. HA HA HA. But logic was never a strong point to a CTer yarn.
So needy for my attention.
Says the entitled one, who does not understand that a reply to his own simplicity is nothing to do with seeking his attention.
Who would suspect that you have Daddy issues? Did he not show up at your "European" school on parent's day?
Trying a new, pathetic, line of attack by immature comments one would expect from a spoiled brat throwing a hissy fit?
And, I bet, at the same time, you're still whining about you being personally attacked by commentary as well, right, entitled one?
Btw what makes you think I went to a European school?
Exemplary researchers @ Mr. Beck & Mr. Weidmann, thank goodness they are on the side of light, truth and justice in this case.
For those of us reading along we can always count on them to delineate facts from fiction. Something tells me their penchant for setting forth compelling evidence with accuracy and in detail is beyond the scope of comprehension for some still desperately clinging to a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.
Brb gents
Exemplary researchers @ Mr. Beck & Mr. Weidmann, thank goodness they are on the side of light, truth and justice in this case.
For those of us reading along we can always count on them to delineate facts from fiction. Something tells me their penchant for setting forth compelling evidence with accuracy and in detail is beyond the scope of comprehension for some still desperately clinging to a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.
Brb gents
"Notice no substantive response to the points made (i.e. why would their fantasy conspirators need to fake Oswald's presence on a bus that took him nowhere and advanced any conspiracy objective not one iota" -- Mr. Smith
Now, a response to the italics above. The reason the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure needed to put the wrongly-accused on that fake bus & cab ride is two fold: (A) to sell the bs about him being at 10th & Patton; and (B) and, to accommodate the bs about how "his" jacket was tossed while "fleeing" the scene at 10th & Patton. Glaring outright lies because he remained in Dealey Plaza beyond 1:02PM (Mr. Warnock's words, not mine), nowhere near 10th & Patton. Now, what part of creating a bogus bus ride and planting that fake bus transfer don't you understand? Remove both of these pigeon droppings from their "evidence" to Frame the wrongly-accused and now...
all they have left is the "magic-bullet" exited Governor Connally's (RIP) thigh, scooped up the wrongly-accused before zigging and zagging all the way to 10th & Patton before magically returning to its final resting place on a stretcher at Parkland. Now, of the two lies, which would you choose? What would seem more plausible to an unsuspecting general public? In their haste and desperation to Frame the wrongly-accused they simply failed miserably to dot their 'i's" and cross their "t's".
The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.
It's brutal to watch the LN eunuks kick and scream in desparation, 50+ years and counting.
No amount of strawman juggling can undo the evidence that sinks the fake timeline, as it has been demonstrated.
Ironically, the cover-up commission's narrative was destroyed by its own evidence buried in the 26 volumes.
Happy to see the message came across, s-boy!
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That explanation makes absolutely no sense, is quite bizarre, and contrary to the testimony of numerous eyewitnesses that put Oswald on the bus, in the cab, at his boardinghouse...So wrong. The answer to your query ---
why would their fantasy conspirators need to fake Oswald's presence on a bus that took him nowhere?He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
Besides her inclination to become dishonest at times, Mrs. Bledsoe had suffered a stroke ( 6 H 404 ) that apparently affected her memory much to the extent that she had to read from notes she had taken. ( ibid. pg. 407-408 )
She described Oswald getting on the bus: “He looks like a maniac”. I didn’t look at him. I didn’t even want to know I seen him and I just looked off. He looked so bad in his face and his face was so distorted.” ( ibid., pg. 409 )
If his face was so distorted, how did she recognize him ?
More importantly, her testimony indicates that not only was her memory affected by her stroke, but her ability to see and become aware was as well.
Had Oswald been behaving so erratically it is unlikely that she would have been the only one to notice it.
Mr. BALL. You didn’t–as I understand it, when you were at the police lineup, you told us that you didn’t–weren’t able to identify this man in the lineup as the man who got off, that you gave the transfer to.What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
Mr. McWATTERS. I told them to the best of my knowledge, I said the man that I picked out was the same height, about the same height, weight and description. But as far as actually saying that is the man I couldn’t–
Mr. BALL. You couldn’t do it?
Mr. McWATTERS. I wouldn’t do it and I wouldn’t do it now.
(2 H 279 )
So wrong. The answer to your query ---He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
Who else on the bus... the driver?What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.
So wrong. The answer to your query ---He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
Who else on the bus... the driver?What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.
Quite bizarre.Not bizarre if you stop believing in Oswald did it alone fairy tales.
Again, the cab ride alone would suffice to prove that Oswald was "running" from the scene (and good of you to acknowledge Oswald was in flight).I did no such thing.
There is no need to fake two different means to flee.Now what? Oswald had to be home at 1:00 right? One cabbie was not enough witnesses and besides...the cops stormed that bus...it's on record---Why did the cops want to search that bus?
On March 30, 1964, the FBI interviewed the teenager on the bus, Roy Milton Jones, to see if he could identify Oswald as the man on the bus. He could not.
But during that interview, Jones told the FBI that “a policeman notified the driver that the President had been shot and he told the driver no one was to leave the bus until police officers had talked to each passenger.”
He went on to say that, “he estimated there were about fifteen people on the bus at this time and two police officers boarded the bus and checked each passenger to see if they were carrying any firearms.”
And finally, that “the bus was held up by the police officers for about one hour.” ( 25 H 900 )
In addition, they would have to convince the other random passengers to at least not confirm Oswald never got on the bus.What other passengers? Only one passenger was used for an ID...the memory challenged Mary Bledsoe.
Does anyone here consider Richard smarter than the best lawyers picked for the Warren Commission?
So wrong. The answer to your query ---He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
Who else on the bus... the driver? What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.
I disagree. The WC lawyers were very capable men who know how to manipulate evidence/witnesses and spin a pre-determined story into a superficial narrative.
"Richard" isn't even smart enough to see through the most obvious manipulations. He's just defending evidence he doesn't really understand, but perhaps he does indeed think he's smarter not only that the WC lawyers but everybody else as well.