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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Charles Collins on December 31, 2025, 01:02:19 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on December 31, 2025, 12:37:53 PM
The still below is from z-frame 222.
It is the frame BEFORE the first shot passes through both JFK and JBC.
I've circled the cuff of JBCs shirt which shows his right hand was held up in front of his chest just before the shot passed through him.



Below is a crop from the next frame, z223.
Note, the cuff is no longer present. The bullet has struck JBC's wrist and, momentarily, knocked his hand downwards.
The bullet has passed through JFK and JBC IN BETWEEN z222 and z223.
It is an amount of time so small as to be difficult to comprehend. It is a fraction of the time it takes to blink.



Note, also, that JBC still looks calm and composed in z223. This is how he looked as he passed behind the Stemmons sign. Even though he has been shot through he still looks composed because the time periods we are dealing with are so small that he hasn't had time to react to being shot.
His reaction begins in the next frame, z224.
This is also the frame that captures the moment all the bone/gristle/blood is blown out of his chest and causes the right side of his jacket to bulge forward.
Below is a cropped combination of z223 and z224 showing this bulging effect:



The clip below starts at z222.
We see JBC's shirt cuff, which instantly disappears and reappears in a fraction of a second.
From being calm and composed, JBC begins to react in a really violent and extreme way.
Both men have clearly been shot through at this point.




Great post Dan. I hadn’t noticed the cuff in z222 before. As long as JBC’s wrist was in the path of the bullet, it shouldn’t matter whether or not it was down in his lap or up near his chest. I think that the bullet’s path would have been deflected by his wrist bone. And if it was up near his chest (as it appears in your post), the bullet would seem to have ample time and space to reach JBC’s left thigh.

JBC’s drastic right shoulder drop and obvious pain on his face are what appear to me to be the doubling over reaction to the impact of the bullet.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on December 31, 2025, 12:37:53 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 05:19:27 AM
Some people say Gov. JBC was shot through the wrist while holding his cowboy hat.



The image above is Z-223. JFK was likely shot ~Z-220 in his upper back.

OK, JBC does not look injured, although, according to the SBT, a slug has passed through his chest, taking out part of rib, exited his front, leaving a large gaping wound, then entered the dorsal side of his wrist and fractured it, before penetrating his left thigh.

I don't see JBC's gray cowboy hat in Z-223, unless it is the blue-ish (not red!) smudge on his chest, below the tie of the necktie. If that is cowboy hat, then JBC is very likely holding it with the ventral side of his wrist facing his chest.

Could a bullet have passed through the wrist holding the cowboy hat, and then entered his left thigh? The wrist seems too close to the right side of JBC.

How did the bullet pass through JBC's wrist from the dorsal (wristwatch side)?

At Z-227, JBC appears to holding his cowboy hat in front of himself, although the image is blurry.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

JBC and his wife both said the shot pattern was: JFK struck by the first audible shot, JBC by the second, and JFK by the third.

Something doesn't add up about the SBT.

The still below is from z-frame 222.
It is the frame BEFORE the first shot passes through both JFK and JBC.
I've circled the cuff of JBCs shirt which shows his right hand was held up in front of his chest just before the shot passed through him.



Below is a crop from the next frame, z223.
Note, the cuff is no longer present. The bullet has struck JBC's wrist and, momentarily, knocked his hand downwards.
The bullet has passed through JFK and JBC IN BETWEEN z222 and z223.
It is an amount of time so small as to be difficult to comprehend. It is a fraction of the time it takes to blink.



Note, also, that JBC still looks calm and composed in z223. This is how he looked as he passed behind the Stemmons sign. Even though he has been shot through he still looks composed because the time periods we are dealing with are so small that he hasn't had time to react to being shot.
His reaction begins in the next frame, z224.
This is also the frame that captures the moment all the bone/gristle/blood is blown out of his chest and causes the right side of his jacket to bulge forward.
Below is a cropped combination of z223 and z224 showing this bulging effect:



The clip below starts at z222.
We see JBC's shirt cuff, which instantly disappears and reappears in a fraction of a second.
From being calm and composed, JBC begins to react in a really violent and extreme way.
Both men have clearly been shot through at this point.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 11:58:58 AM »
This problem remains:

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

That happens ~Z-295.

As Z-223? Connally looks fresh as a daisy.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Charles Collins on December 31, 2025, 11:35:20 AM »
JBC was sitting at an angle to his right as we can see in Z223. He was sitting in that orientation for most of the motorcade as can be seen in the photographic record. It seems reasonable to me that his knees would have been angled to his right also; which would be a more relaxed and natural position and give him a little more leg room due to the corner where the right end of the back of the front seat and the side of the limo are. It appears to me that JBC had the hat in his right hand, holding it by the brim. His right forearm would have been resting across his lap with his right wrist nearing his left thigh and the right hand (palm side down) and the hat supported by his left thigh. When the bullet struck his wrist, his right hand flips up extremely fast. Much faster than a normal raising of the hat would be. This suggests an instinctual reaction to the bullet hitting his wrist. JBC remembered feeling the bullet hit him in the back and just didn’t realize that he had also been hit in the wrist and thigh (due to the shock of the pain in his back and chest).
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 10:15:33 AM »
TG-

Perhaps measured with a micrometer, one could detect a difference in the height of JBC's left and right shoulders in Z-223.

Of course, human bodies are not perfectly symmetrical anyway.

In any event, Happy New Year and remember---

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 31, 2025, 08:23:25 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 07:05:35 AM
No.

Yes, it is.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did probable mole Bruce Solie manipulate Gerry Patrick Hemming?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 07:26:32 AM »
SMG-

We should probably start a new thread on this one. Holiday season, so this is a rush job:

Lucien Conein was CIA, detailed to Army, and provided large amounts of cash to Big Minh, as part of and to finance the coup.

Ambassador Lodge, essentially the proconsul of SV (unlike modern ambassadors), wanted the Diems out. Lodge warned JFK (in recorded sessions) that the coup would likely be lethal to the Diems. JFK ok'ed the coup.

Conein would complain later he asked for a plane to evacuate the Diems, but was told it would take a long time, a curiosity as the US had a big airbase at Danang. Something like a two-day delay.

The top U.S. Marine in South Vietnam was Major General Victor H. Krulak, and he is also on the record as stating he never heard of any plans to evacuate the Diems, by plane or otherwise.

It is known that Lodge did not want the Diems to establish a government in exile.

JFK had an unusual, nearly unhinged, dislike for Madame Nhu.

Some have suspected Ed Lansdale organized a "revenge" assassination, as Lansdale had been close to the Diems, and had worked with the Diems to establish SV.

The CIA station in Saigon backed the Diems, but Conein said he was under orders from Lodge.

I posted on this in the now dubious Education Forum, and will cross post shortly.

Happy New Year!

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/vietnam/2020-11-01/new-light-dark-corner-evidence-diem-coup-november-1963

https://prde.upress.virginia.edu/content/JFK_Vietnam2

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/was-jfk-behind-the-assassination-of-diem

The above articles scratch the surface....
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 07:05:35 AM »
No.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 31, 2025, 06:26:08 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 05:19:27 AM
Some people say Gov. JBC was shot through the wrist while holding his cowboy hat.



The image above is Z-223. JFK was likely shot ~Z-220 in his upper back.

OK, JBC does not look injured, although, according to the SBT, a slug has passed through his chest, taking out part of rib, exited his front, leaving a large gaping wound, then entered the dorsal side of his wrist and fractured it, before penetrating his left thigh.

I don't see JBC's gray cowboy hat in Z-223, unless it is the blue-ish (not red!) smudge on his chest, below the tie of the necktie. If that is cowboy hat, then JBC is very likely holding it with the ventral side of his wrist facing his chest.

Could a bullet have passed through the wrist holding the cowboy hat, and then entered his left thigh? The wrist seems too close to the right side of JBC.

How did the bullet pass through JBC's wrist from the dorsal (wristwatch side)?

At Z-227, JBC appears to holding his cowboy hat in front of himself, although the image is blurry.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

JBC and his wife both said the shot pattern was: JFK struck by the first audible shot, JBC by the second, and JFK by the third.

Something doesn't add up about the SBT.

Is his right shoulder significantly lower than his left shoulder?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 31, 2025, 05:19:27 AM »
Some people say Gov. JBC was shot through the wrist while holding his cowboy hat.



The image above is Z-223. JFK was likely shot ~Z-220 in his upper back.

OK, JBC does not look injured, although, according to the SBT, a slug has passed through his chest, taking out part of rib, exited his front, leaving a large gaping wound, then entered the dorsal side of his wrist and fractured it, before penetrating his left thigh.

I don't see JBC's gray cowboy hat in Z-223, unless it is the blue-ish (not red!) smudge on his chest, below the tie of the necktie. If that is cowboy hat, then JBC is very likely holding it with the ventral side of his wrist facing his chest.

Could a bullet have passed through the wrist holding the cowboy hat, and then entered his left thigh? The wrist seems too close to the right side of JBC.

How did the bullet pass through JBC's wrist from the dorsal (wristwatch side)?

At Z-227, JBC appears to holding his cowboy hat in front of himself, although the image is blurry.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

JBC and his wife both said the shot pattern was: JFK struck by the first audible shot, JBC by the second, and JFK by the third.

Something doesn't add up about the SBT.
 
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