JFK Assassination Forum

OK. Tell us what evidence you have that the car in question was a getaway car. Hint: Your assumptions are not evidence.

It is SOP for you to treat every unexplained fact as evidence of a conspiracy. You ignore any and all alternate explanations even though there are numerous alternatives that are much more believable than the one you assume to be true.

   (1) The CAR was NOT FILMED parked alongside the Island by Wiegman!

   (2) The CAR was MOVING down the Elm St Extension as the Kill Shot was being fired!

   (3) The CAR PARKED almost directly across from the "Wide Open" HUGE GATES!

   (4) The CAR PARKED in a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone!

   (5) The CAR was inside this, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone, for 3+ Hrs!

   (6) The CAR was NOT ISSUED a Ticket by DPD!

   (7) The CAR was rendered IMMOBILE by DPD!

   ( The CAR was SECURED by a Shotgun carrying DPD Officer!

              I continue researching this intended "getaway" CAR. In addition to the NEW EVIDENCE cited above, I found yet another NEW piece of evidence connected to this "getaway" CAR only a few days ago. I am currently fleshing that out. To this day, this intended "getaway" CAR and the Elm St Extension have been completely IGNORED by the JFK Assassination Research Community. 62+ years after the fact, my discovery of the "Wide Open" HUGE GATES proves there has been a continuous "Dereliction of Duty". This intended "getaway" CAR and the Elm St Extension remain "virgin territory" with respect to the JFK Assassination. 

   

I still see no evidence that Mann and/or Thomas were punished for asking questions about what Oswald did in Mexico City. Thomas is a little fuzzier admittedly; but I don't see where Mann was punished. Being appointed Assistant Secretary of State and, at the same time, head of USAID is not for me a "transfer." It's two promotions. He left the posts in 1967 because a new Administration was coming in. And during the period he was in the LBJ Administration he held some influence.

Let's stick with Mann. Here is his interview (summary) with the HSCA. Nowhere does he mention anything about being punished. He says that Dean Rusk ordered the State Department officials to cease inquiring about this question of what Oswald did in MC. Nothing about the CIA or FBI or others inquiring.

Here is the interview: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=109665#relPageId=2&search=Mann

Here, for me, is a key point:



Right, so Rusk and others (unnamed) were worried about disclosing US covert operations. Nothing about worries about WWIII.

Just an update on the war in Ukraine as of May 2026.

Ukraine is mostly targeting Russian troops, or military or oil resources in the rear. Russia is mostly targeting Ukrainian civilians, in the hopes of getting Ukraine to eventually throwing in the towel.

How likely are the Russians to succeed? How inevitable is the "inevitable Russian Triumph"?


Well, the U.N. estimates that the total Ukrainian civilian deaths since February 2022 to the present to be under 16,000. And about a third of these deaths occurred in the first month, mostly in face-to-face encounters with Russian troops. Think "Babi Yar" more than Coventry or Dresden, where the crews might think they are taking out military targets, to some extent.

If this enough? Well, Ukraine has more than half the population of Great Britain or Germany during World War II and during that time there were something like 65,000 and 500,000 civilian deaths, respectively.

Russians would need to increase their killing abilities by a factor of ten to approach the levels Germany had in World War II, which was not near enough to get Great Britain to throw in the towel.

It certainly appears that Russia is not going to win this war.

And given Russia's, or the Soviet Union history, this is not surprising. What is their success against a country the size of Ukraine without powerful allies?

* Poland, 1920, failure
* Finland, 1939 failure

Their successes, always with the help of powerful allies:

* Poland in the 1700's, with the help of Prussia and Austria.
* Ukraine in the 1700's, with the help of Austria.
* Poland in 1939, with the heavy lifting being done by Nazi Germany.
* The Baltic States in 1940. These were three separate countries, not one country. And the threat of getting split up with Nazi Germany even if they make a great stand may have been a factor in
   deciding not to fight. Again, having a powerful ally on their side.
* Eastern Europe in 1944-1945, with a huge amount of help from the U. S. and
   Great Britain.

On their own, not so good. Inefficiencies usually increased a lot by corruption. Corruption, a consistent theme, except during the Soviet era, which is long gone. Consistently, Russian lack of 'Quality' seems to outweigh Russian 'Quantity', time and time again.

Why do people believe that 'Quantity' will always overcome 'Quality' when that notion is so poorly supported by history?

Why should we expect the 2020's to be any different?



As far as making peace is concerned, for the "benefit" of the Ukrainian people, remember, a third of the Ukrainian civilian deaths occurred in the first month. Death rates did not go down after Nazi Germany achieved "peace" in Poland, the Baltic States and Ukraine but shot up greatly once the front lines moved on and the Germans had solid control of those regions during 1939-1944. Something similar can be expected if Ukraine loses.

In any case, the decision to accept a Russian "Peace" should be made by the Ukrainians, not by us, even if we "claim" we are on the side of the Ukrainian

Still derailing the thread - and proud of it! - but I omitted from my list of Oswald puzzlements taxi driver Whaley's WC testimony that after Oswald was already seated in the cab an older woman approached and asked if she could have it, whereupon Oswald cracked open the door as if to exit and (Whaley vaguely recalled) offered the cab to the woman.

An escaping Presidential assassin politely offers his escape cab to a stranger? Well, he may have done so - but it's certainly curious.

Which reminds me: This is Whaley's actual cab. Such a cab is my candidate for the "police car" that pulled up in front of Beckley and toot-tooted, as described by Earlene Roberts. The Beckley property had 22 bedrooms, with 18 rentable rooms, and most of the rentable rooms were behind the main house. Pulling up to the curb and toot-tooting is common taxi behavior. Case closed, you're welcome.

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