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Damn, your reading comprehension is piss poor. Is 10+ seconds in excess of 7 seconds? The WC put no upper limit on the total time span of the 3 shots if the second shot was not the missed shot, which it wasn't.
No, dumbass. If the second shot missed, the maximum time span was 5.6 seconds. There was no maximum time span stated if the second shot did not miss. Only that it would have been in excess of 7 seconds. (8.9 by my calculation)

"The Commission stated that if either the first or the third shot missed, the total time span for all three shots by Lee Harvey Oswald was roughly 5 to 5.5 seconds."

"Depending on which specific shot missed, the absolute outer limits calculated by the Commission ranged from 4.8 seconds up to 7.9 seconds total "

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There was no maximum time span stated if the second shot did not miss. Only that it would have been in excess of 7 seconds. (8.9 by my calculation)

More BS and your personal insults add nothing to your claims

"If either the first or third shots missed, then a minimum of 2.3 seconds (necessary to operate the rifle) must be added to the time span of the shots which hit, giving a minimum time of 7.1 to 7.9 seconds for the three shots."
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:D Twisted BS

The WC never said anything about 10+ sec. You just made that up

Damn, your reading comprehension is piss poor. Is 10+ seconds in excess of 7 seconds? The WC put no upper limit on the total time span of the 3 shots if the second shot was not the missed shot, which it wasn't.
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According to the WC any excess of 7 sec was if the 2nd shot missed.
They didn't report an early shot. Certainly no where near your fantasy Z-145

No, dumbass. If the second shot missed, the maximum time span was 5.6 seconds. There was no maximum time span stated if the second shot did not miss. Only that it would have been in excess of 7 seconds. (8.9 by my calculation)
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Have you ever read the WCR? The goalposts were never moved. The last word on the timespan of the shots is the conclusion at the end of Chapter 3.

"Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds."

10 seconds is in excess of 7 seconds.  While I believe the 3 shots were fired in just under 9 seconds, a 10+ second scenario was allowed for by the WC. It was the CTs, aided by dumbass reporting by the likes of Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather, who perpetuated the myth that the WC concluded the 3 shots were fired in 5.6 seconds or less.

 :D Twisted BS

The WC never said anything about 10+ sec. You just made that up
According to the WC any excess of 7 sec was if the 2nd shot missed.
They didn't report an early shot. Certainly no where near your fantasy Z-145
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Anyone with a functioning pair of eyes and an objective mind can look at Z313 and see the blood and brain matter is being discharge forward and upward. In addition, JFK's head moves forward several inches from its position at Z312. The Z-film is not the friend of anyone postulating a frontal head shot.

During the mock trial of LHO in London, Bugliosi called HSCA photo expert Cecil Kirk. He begins his analysis of Z313 beginning about 5:30 of the video. A high contrast version of Z313 is shown which shows particulate matter being discharged forward and upward.

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The blood and brain matter wasn't thrown backward into Hargis. It was dispersed forward and upward and Hargis simply drove through it. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

LOL! Yet another example of how uninformed you are about well-known, widely discussed evidence.

Hargis said he was splattered with blood and then with brain and that the particulate spray hit him with such force that he thought he himself had been hit by concrete or something:

I was splattered with blood... then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I might have been hit. (Daily News, November 24, 1963)

When President Kennedy straightened back up in the car the bullet hit him in the head, the one that killed him and it seemed like his head exploded, and I was splattered with blood and brain, and kind of a bloody water. (6 H 294)


This is not surprising, since Charles Brehm, who was standing across the street from the grassy knoll, said he saw a piece of skull blown backward and to the left from JFK's skull when his head was hit:

It was very definite then that he was struck in the head. . . . I saw a piece fly over in the area of the curb. . . . It seemed to have come left and back. . . . Whatever it was that I saw did fall both in that direction and over into the curb there. (Associated Press article, 11/22/1966)

Patrolman B. J. Martin, riding to the left of Hargis and to the left rear of the limo was also splattered with blood, though not as forcefully as Hargis was. Martin said blood splattered onto his windshield, his motor, the left shoulder of his uniform, and the left side of his helmet (6 H 292). He added that the blood was accompanied by what looked like pieces of flesh:

Mr. BALL. And were there any other spots of any other material on the helmet there besides blood?

Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir. There was other matter that looked like pieces of flesh. (6 H 292)


And, no, the particulate spray was not blown "forward and upward." Where do you get that? Do you have a version of the Zapruder film that no one else has seen? Much of the spray was blown rightward and downward, which is why we can still see part of Jackie's head in Z313 and nearly all of her head in Z314.

On an important side note, the Zapruder film does not show any amount of blood and brain matter being blown, or floating, backward and to the left from the right-frontal explosion seen in Z313-314/315. The blob of particulate spray impossibly disappears by Z316, if not by Z315, whereas ballistics tests and footage of head shots prove the spray should have remained visible for at least six frames.

Not only does the Zapruder film show no particulate spray being blown toward Hargis and Martin, but it shows no large cloud of blood and brain matter that Hargis and Martin could have driven through.
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Did you hear there was a third Oswald?  I thought I heard that, too.

If they could create multiple Oswalds, why stop at three.
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JC--

The WC LNT, fabricated to meet LBJ's directive to avoid any finding that might trigger a nuke war, never even suffered a legal test in a trial, let alone met some sort of scientific standard of proof.

There was no such directive made.
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The WC was the first official investigation into the JFKA, 1964.

The second official investigation, the HSCA, 1979, found that a JFKAC was likely.

The second investigation was FUBAR.
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The LNT fails to explain what Sam Holland saw (smoke on the GK), why there was gunsmoke in the GK area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, why so many witnesses heard gunshots from the GK, or why there was a man flashing a fake Secret Service credential in the GK, also in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

The LNs don't need to explain what Sam Holland saw. If CTs want to claim it was gun smoke, the burden is on them to provide the evidence to support that position. If is extremely unlikely that what Holland saw was gun smoke given that modern ammo produces very little smoke which dissipates almost immediately. Nobody saw a shooter on the GK on either side of the fence. All the wounds to JFK and JBC were caused by shots fired from behind them.
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That above is all fact.

My layman's take on the Z-film is that Gov JBC is shot at Z-295 and JFK at Z-313. That sequence lines up with many witnesses who said they heard a "bang....bang-bang" cadence of audible gunshots.

Your take is stupid. 'nuff said.
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Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

The LNT version requires that Gov. JBC makes a 180-degree turn in his seat to check on JFK after being shot through his chest, and that JBC holds onto his Stetson hat, after being shot through the wrist.

I doubt he turned 180 degrees to check on JFK. He turned in reaction to a serious gunshot wound through his chest. He might have happened to see JFK slump as he did that.
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The CT's and LNT's have their adherents. As to which camp has the most nuts...well, that's a toss-up. 

I have reasonable doubts about the LNT. And many CT's.

Nobody cares about your doubts which aren't the least bit reasonable.
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     What are you driving? A Backhoe? An automobile has 4 fenders. The 4 fenders catch the water that is churned upward by the 4 tires.

I can only tell you what happened. My windshield got soaked and it was not the result of backsplash. Some of the water went upward and I drove through it. I was driving a pickup truck at the time.
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    You guys keep moving the goalpost. NOW it's 3 shots 10 seconds total elapsed time.  We get the final half of the 1st Generation Copy of the Darnell Film, and it will Not matter. That Bogus DPD Cop strolling across the railroad yard will be proven to Not be Officer Haygood = Conspiracy.

Have you ever read the WCR? The goalposts were never moved. The last word on the timespan of the shots is the conclusion at the end of Chapter 3.

"Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds."

10 seconds is in excess of 7 seconds.  While I believe the 3 shots were fired in just under 9 seconds, a 10+ second scenario was allowed for by the WC. It was the CTs, aided by dumbass reporting by the likes of Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather, who perpetuated the myth that the WC concluded the 3 shots were fired in 5.6 seconds or less.
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JC--

The WC LNT, fabricated to meet LBJ's directive to avoid any finding that might trigger a nuke war, never even suffered a legal test in a trial, let alone met some sort of scientific standard of proof.


I must have missed that. Can you direct me to a copy of that directive?
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