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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Shooter behind the fence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:42:46 PM »
    How about just refuting the "Mountain Of Evidence" that Griffith has posted above vs resorting to "character assassination"?

"Mountain of Evidence"? Is that what you call that steaming, stinking pile of crap?
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I'm not sure it's intentional. Seriously. He seems incapable of grasping even the simplest facts and logic.

MTG seems incapable of grasping that his numerous factoids are completely illogical.
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Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 11:50:58 AM
So where is that photograph of the bullet in the grass?


I don't respond to intentional stupidity.

I'm not sure it's intentional. Seriously. He seems incapable of grasping even the simplest facts and logic. I think part of his difficulty stems from his apparent reading-comprehension problem. I'm not joking here. Go look at my exchanges with him in other threads. He literally does not seem able to comprehend English at a high-school level.

Anyway, now, by the time that photo was taken, the bullet had already been removed from the hole. Journalists weren't allowed close to the hole until after the suited man had taken something from it and put it in his pocket.

No one, but no one, denied the hole was made by a bullet, not until much later. Even when Foster testified before the WC, he insisted a bullet hit the grass near the manhole cover.

Anyone with two working eyes can see the hole was dug out and had a visible mound around part of it. As I've mentioned, I saw a few bullets hit grass during my time in the Army. You could tell when they hit because they would kick up dirt. Foster saw the same thing and knew what it meant, which is why he immediately notified a supervisor, and which is why police surrounded the hole while it was examined and would not let any journalists or bystanders near the hole for a time.

Lt. Day confirmed that a bullet was recovered from the hole. We have photographic evidence that the suited man removed something from the hole and put it in his pocket. A police inspector told journalist Richard Dudman that a bullet was found in the hole. And, Walthers told his wife that a bullet was found in the hole.

For a while, some people floated the theory that a piece of brain blown from JFK's head created the hole. I actually had one WC apologist tell me that the suited man removed brain tissue from the hole and put it in his pocket.

Truth be told, I'd almost be glad to go with the brain-tissue theory because it would further expose the autopsy brain photos as bogus. The brain photos show a brain with "less than 1-2 ounces" of missing tissue, yet we know that bits of JFK's brain were blown or fell onto 16 surfaces, not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie brought to the ER and gave to Dr. Jenkins. And, of course, the autopsy skull x-rays show about 2/3 of the right brain to be missing.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Shooter behind the fence
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:35:27 PM »
Note to John Wiebel. If you are interested in learning more about the myths surrounding the JFK assassination, there is no better source the Michael T. Griffith. From personal experience, I can tell you that he has been spreading these myths for over 35 years across numerous forums. If you are interested in learning about the facts of the assassination, I would advise you not to follow MTG into the weeds.

As I advised you in my first reply, don't trust. Just verify. Don't accept what anyone claims at face value. Not from me. Not from MTG. Not anybody. We all have our beliefs and our biases and those are reflected in what we post. Whatever you read, you should consider the possibility that it might or might not be true. It's easy to find opinions on both sides of any issue and decide for yourself what makes the most sense to you.

    How about just refuting the "Mountain Of Evidence" that Griffith has posted above vs resorting to "character assassination"?
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Someone at the EF has created a petition requesting the release of the two original films showing Prayer Man. Regardless of who PM these films have value as historic items. If anyone here is interested here is a link to the petition.

https://www.openpetition.org/petition/online/draft-a-more-precise-request-to-nbc-for-the-films-requested-in-april-2025


Fred

   Yeah, and I hear they got a petition going for ice water down in Hell. You'd think the Sixth Floor Museum would be spearheading this "petition" prodding NBC to release their Original JFK Assassination Films, but No Soap there. They're in-the-bag too. The Sixth Floor has been dealing from a stacked deck since Gary Mack threw in with them. Sad. Very Sad.
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   Dealey Plaza was a good slow down and turn similar to the Heydrich assassination...But that has nothing to do with the evidence that has already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...The only two people not visible in Altgens 6 are Prayer Man and Frazier...That alone makes Prayer Man Stanton since we know she was on the top platform...

Garner said she ran right after Adams & Styles and heard them just running down the steps as Garner got to the 4th Floor staircase landing...Garner said the girls were already gone before the limousine entered the Triple Underpass...This timing means Garner was to the landing probably 40 seconds after the shots...Oswald would have needed to cross the 4th Floor landing at 70 seconds after the shots...This proves, dead to rights, that Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time...The reason Oswald got up from his lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and looked out the Lunch Room Vestibule door window was because he heard Adams & Styles clattering by on their way down the stairs...Garner never saw or heard Oswald because he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...

This is typical of your illogical outlook on every aspect of the JFKA.
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Mark Lane started the ball rolling and soon every little anomaly was found which started a landslide
of suspicion. Plus it was  the 60’s , rebellion against establishment, police brutality , discrimination, segregationists. So it was very confusing.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Shooter behind the fence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:04:24 PM »
Note to John Wiebel. If you are interested in learning more about the myths surrounding the JFK assassination, there is no better source the Michael T. Griffith. From personal experience, I can tell you that he has been spreading these myths for over 35 years across numerous forums. If you are interested in learning about the facts of the assassination, I would advise you not to follow MTG into the weeds.

As I advised you in my first reply, don't trust. Just verify. Don't accept what anyone claims at face value. Not from me. Not from MTG. Not anybody. We all have our beliefs and our biases and those are reflected in what we post. Whatever you read, you should consider the possibility that it might or might not be true. It's easy to find opinions on both sides of any issue and decide for yourself what makes the most sense to you.
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   Dealey Plaza was a good slow down and turn similar to the Heydrich assassination...But that has nothing to do with the evidence that has already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...The only two people not visible in Altgens 6 are Prayer Man and Frazier...That alone makes Prayer Man Stanton since we know she was on the top platform...

Garner said she ran right after Adams & Styles and heard them just running down the steps as Garner got to the 4th Floor staircase landing...Garner said the girls were already gone before the limousine entered the Triple Underpass...This timing means Garner was to the landing probably 40 seconds after the shots...Oswald would have needed to cross the 4th Floor landing at 70 seconds after the shots...This proves, dead to rights, that Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time...The reason Oswald got up from his lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and looked out the Lunch Room Vestibule door window was because he heard Adams & Styles clattering by on their way down the stairs...Garner never saw or heard Oswald because he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...
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I'm brand new to this forum.  I will try not to be long winded.  I'm 52 and I've been reading about the assassination for a long time.  I have a question that I have not seen the answer to in any book I've read.  If there was another gunman behind the fence who shot the president in the head then why was there no entrance wound mentioned? If the back of his head was blown out by a bullet from the front wouldn't anyone have noticed it at Parkland?  There are pictures of doctors showing us where the head wound in the back was but no mention of an entry wound.  Also how on earth could a bullet that hit him in the back exit his throat if the bullet was fired from a downward angle? That makes no sense at all. Thanks

First off, welcome to the forum.

A few facts in answer to your questions, and I'll provide sources at the end:

-- A number of independent medical experts have identified an entry wound on the JFK autopsy skull x-rays.

-- Several witnesses said they saw a small wound in JFK's right temple.

-- White House spokesman Malcolm Kilduff pointed to his own right temple to demonstrate the course of the bullet during a press conference at Parkland Hospital shortly after JFK was declared dead, and Kilduff said he got this information from Dr. George Burkley, JFK's physician, who was in the Parkland ER during the efforts to revive the president.

-- We now know for an absolute fact that no bullet exited JFK's throat. JFK's clothing alone proves that no bullet exited the throat.

The first two drafts of the autopsy report said the back wound had no exit point, and we now know that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors determined for an absolute, observable fact, via repeated probing after the chest organs were removed, that the back wound had no exit point. Indeed, medical technicians and others around the autopsy table could see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity.

-- Scientific evidence in the form optical-density measurements done on the autopsy x-rays at the National Archives has established that the AP skull x-ray indicates missing bone in the back of the head.

-- Literally dozens of witnesses who saw JFK's head wounds said the large head wound was in the right-rear part of the head (technically, the right parietal-occipital region), about half in the rear of the parietal bone and half in the right part of the occiput.

These witnesses included the two Parkland nurses who cleaned the large head wound and packed it with gauze, the two Secret Service agents who observed the body in the Bethesda morgue shortly after the autopsy, the two FBI agents who were the FBI's official observers at the autopsy, the three morticians who reassembled JFK's skull after the autopsy, and the Parkland neurosurgeon who examined JFK's head in the emergency room, among others.

-- The ammo that hit JFK's head behaved nothing like the kind of ammo that Oswald allegedly used. Instead, it behaved exactly like high-velocity frangible ammo.

The ammo that hit Kennedy's skull shattered into dozens of tiny fragments in the right-frontal region and also deposited fragments in the rear outer table of the skull and fragments at the opposite end of the skull just behind and above the right orbit. FMJ bullets, the kind of bullets that Oswald allegedly used, will never, ever fragment in this manner when penetrating a skull. Never.

Also, the degree and nature of the fracturing of the skull clearly show that the ammo was moving at a high velocity. Every single expert who has commented on the velocity of the ammo that hit the head has said it must have been moving at a high velocity. But, Oswald's alleged rifle was a low-velocity rifle or was at the lower end of the medium-velocity scale, depending on which scale you use. FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier told the Warren Commission that the alleged murder weapon was a rather low-velocity rifle.

-- Scientific acoustical evidence developed by several acoustical scientists for the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, based on an analysis of a Dallas police dictabelt recording made in Dealey Plaza during the shooting, established that a gunman was firing from the grassy knoll. The finding was further substantiated by new research on the acoustical evidence conducted by BBN scientists from 2015 to 2018. Dr. Josiah Thompson spends over 100 pages discussing this historic new research in his 2020 book Last Second in Dallas. I discuss it in my article on the acoustical evidence (linked below).

Even the NRC/NAS panel, which was formed to discredit the acoustical evidence, admitted two key facts: (1) that there's a 93% probability that the timing-movement correlations identified by the BBN scientists between the Dallas police dictabelt and the Dealey Plaza test firing occurred because the dictabelt recorded gunfire in Dealey Plaza during the assassination, and (2) that there's a 77.7% probability that the 144.9 impulse pattern, identified by the HSCA's acoustical scientists as gunfire from the grassy knoll, is in fact gunfire from the knoll.

usp=sharing]"The Head Shot from the Front"

"The Application of Forensic Principles for the Analysis of the Autopsy Skull X-Rays of President Kennedy and a Review of the Brain Photographs"

"JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible"

"JFK Assassination Paradoxes: A Primer for Beginners"

"Forensic Science and President Kennedy’s Head Wounds"

"The Medical Evidence Decoded"

"Where Was President Kennedy's Back Wound?"

"A Demonstrable Impossibility: The HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel’s Misrepresentation of the Kennedy Assassination Medical Evidence"

"The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman"

You can find more sources on my "JFK Assassination Website".
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