JFK Assassination Forum

Good posts Lance. The answer as to the number of shots plays a huge role in understanding the assassination.

You are absolutely right about the early missed shot being nothing more than a bunch of made-up crap trying to prop up a three-shot scenario. ABC Television supported that made up nonsense of Max Holland’s with a one-hour special, absolutely unbelievable. ABC should have fired everyone involved. The whole theory is totally lacking any evidence and relies on sketchy photos and suspect body movement interpretations. The amazing thing is that it completely ignores all of the witness statements. 100% of the eyewitness's state JFK reacted to the first shot, but they never let that fact get in the way of their BS storyline. Apparently, it is much better to interpret the actions of a child. As if she is aware of a shot that no one else can hear. 

The final nail in the coffin of how many shots there were fired was supplied by Josiah Thompson’s observation, as noted in his book Six Seconds In Dallas, about the indentation occurring on the sides of all of the shells except CE 543. The FBI analysis of the shells states that the indentation is from the chamber of the rifle. No indentation on the side of CE 543 proves CE 543 was never fired in the rifle. The CE 141 cartridge only had to be present in the heat expanded chamber to produce an indention on the side of the cartridge.

Pat Speer did an excellent job of compiling witness statements. Below is a list of witnesses and some of Pat’s analysis of their statements from Pat’s site. One thing to remember is that a number of the two shot witnesses would change their stories and add a shot. A number of the first statement were made to the press not a government agency.

A number of the witnesses are the second shot was the headshot followed by another shot (Marilyn Willis for one example), or a second and third shot with no time element between them or words to that effect. I believe SA Hickey is a good example of a changing statement as was SA Bennett. On the plane back to Washington there was an argument between the passengers as to the number of shots having been fired, according to Newsweek's Charles Roberts. Roberts and Merriman Smith were the only news people that were on the flight.

 

Two shot witnesses

Jackie, Nelly, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, John Chism, Faye Chism, Jean Newman, Charles Brehm, Clint Hill, DPD Chaney, DPD Hargis, Sheriff Decker, Garland Slack, James Altgens, Malcolm Summers, Charles Roberts, BR Williams, Howard Brennan, SA Greer, A Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Charles Hester, Beatrice Hester, SA Glenn Bennet, Ann Donaldson, Peggy Burney, Dolores Kounas, Dave Powers, Kenneth O’Donnell, SA Landis,  Ernest Brandt, James Powell, James Darnell, Hugh Betzner, Seth Kantor, Lupe Whitaker, F Lee Mudd, Ernest Brandt, Milton Wright, James Perry, JW foster, Clemon Johnson, Jack Franzen, Mrs Jack Franzen, Jeff Franzen, Ann Ruth Moore, Mary Hall, Toni Glover

Second shot was the headshot

James Jarmin, Harold Norman, SA Kellerman, Marilyn Willis, SA Kinney, SA Hickey, Mary Woodward, John Templin, Gov Connally, Mary Moorman, SA Emory Roberts, Hugh Aynesworth, Ruby Henderson, DPD Douglas Jackson, Jerry Kivett, Cliff Carter, Thomas Johns, June Dishong, Aurelia Alonzo, Margaret Brown, Georgia Ruth Hendrix

James Altgens was a two shot witness who stated the one thing he could guarantee was there was no shot after the headshot. Altgens was within 20 to 30 feet of the car.

James Altgens  " ......There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty."

The recently released Cop Cam shows the officer being directly in front of the oncoming car and then being hit. This is why the Fake News'ers have suddenly gone Silent with their "murder" claim. Joe 6 Pack's know when an officer(s) tells you to, "get out of the car", you GET OUT OF THE CAR. Parents drum this into us when we get a Learner's Permit. The Minn Gov and Mayor are hanging out to dry with their calling this cop a murderer immediately after the shooting. I am not even gonna get into the 2 women being members of a group of "agitators". The Fake News tried to make this another Floyd, but it immediately fell flat as the Truth came out. This is the kinda stuff that helps the GOP in the midterms. The Billion $$ THEFT in Minn and Calif with its' "bullet train to Nowhere" is more of the same. Musk/DOGE had it right from the get-go. And simultaniously there is also the 2 Gang Bangers that got shot up in Portland. This stuff is like gangland Chicago back during the Al Capone days. Joe Biden and his "10% for the Big Guy" has infested the USA with vermin.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Your using the word "vermin" makes me think your dream job back in the early 1940s would have been Gas Chamber Operator and you would have enjoyed doing it so much that you would have volunteered to do it for free. Am I right?

-- Tom

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/09/us/ice-shooting-minneapolis-renee-good-cell-phone-invs

SS Agents being unable to, "...look up at Oswald's sixth-floor Sniper's Nest window" ...because they were, "hung over"? 

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

I said, "'hungover' or not."

Perhaps you missed that part.

-- Tom

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

I've probably watched it more times than you have, dude.

Question:

Looking at the earlier-released video (the one taken from the left-rear), where was The Idiot when he fired his first shot, and which direction was Ms. Good's vehicle moving when he fired it - to her left, straight ahead, or to her right?

Answer:

He was standing on the side of the vehicle near the driver's side headlight, and her vehicle was turning to her right, away from him.

D'oh!

-- Tom

  The recently released Cop Cam shows the officer being directly in front of the oncoming car and then being hit. This is why the Fake News'ers have suddenly gone Silent with their "murder" claim. Joe 6 Pack's know when an officer(s) tells you to, "get out of the car", you GET OUT OF THE CAR. Parents drum this into us when we get a Learner's Permit. The Minn Gov and Mayor are hanging out to dry with their calling this cop a murderer immediately after the shooting. I am not even gonna get into the 2 women being members of a group of "agitators". The Fake News tried to make this another Floyd, but it immediately fell flat as the Truth came out. This is the kinda stuff that helps the GOP in the midterms. The Billion $$ THEFT in Minn and Calif with its' "bullet train to Nowhere" is more of the same. Musk/DOGE had it right from the get-go. And simultaniously there is also the 2 Gang Bangers that got shot up in Portland. This stuff is like gangland Chicago back during the Al Capone days. Joe Biden and his "10% for the Big Guy" has infested the USA with vermin.

Dear FPL,

From your previous post:

"'Former Marine sharpshooter' ... 'missing everything' at Z-124. Do we see a troubling disconnect here?"

Compare that lame statement with what you said, above, regarding the now-obvious difficulty of the shot.

Do we see a disconnect, here, Counselor?

-- Tom

Alas, no we do not see a disconnect. I was playing on your turf, as we retired former lawyers are inclined to do when we are confident of our client's position. Many the happy motion for summary judgment have I filed that began "Assuming arguendo, for purposes of this motion only, that what the plaintiff claims is in fact true, we are nevertheless entitled to summary judgment because ... blah, blah, blah." My point was simply that since Oswald was in fact a former Marine sharpshooter, why would he not have recognized what your ChatGPT friends deem the obvious difficulty of the shot and why would he have taken it despite the obvious difficulty and greater risks of being seen, blah, blah, blah?