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The problem with that interpretation is that in his first interview, JBC said he looked over his left shoulder and saw the President had slumped as if it was all part of the same motion. Clearly, JBC did not turn far enough to the left to see that nor even after he turned to his right.

Much of what he described afterward is fairly accurate with one minor detail. In his later tellings of the story, he said he started to turn back toward the front, which is true, and he was facing almost directly forward when he felt the shot hit him in the back. He did in fact reach a forward facing position but not until the bullet had already struck him. He then turned back to his right and doubled over in reaction to being hit. Here again, I believe his later recollections were influenced by what he had seen in the Z-film. He saw himself doubled over in the late Z230s and saw he had reached a forward facing position at about Z230 and figured that was about when he was hit. He was actually hit less than a half second earlier which was followed almost immediately by his involuntary, reflexive arm flip at Z226. He didn't even remember being hit in the wrist but that event along with the jacket bulge two frames earlier give us the best indication of when the single bullet struck. Z226 is also the frame JFK made a similar involuntary, reflexive response to being hit by suddenly raising both arms.

About the only thing John "Mr. Confidant Politician" Connally got right was that there were three shots, they were fired from behind him by a high-powered rifle, and that when he turned to his right to locate the source of the first shot and to see if JFK was okay, he couldn't see him out of the corner of his eye (because JFK had turned his head far to his right and had raised his hand in front of it to wave to someone, and this combination prevented Connally from "seeing" him).
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   James -  After Darnell filmed that segment showing the retaining wall, Elm St, etc, he then filmed the interview of Sitzman there at the Pergola Shelter. After that, Darnell filmed those "3 girls" walking down the knoll below the Pergola. Richard Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" did not provide a timeline for this film segment. I realized that these same "3 Girls" were also  filmed by Tina Towner at the very end of her film. (I can't be sure, but it looks like the same 3 Girls). Trask time stamped this  Towner film "3 Girls" segment to be at, "About 10 minutes" after the shooting. This same Towner segment showing the "3 Girls", also shows a man running down from the Pergola shelter area. He begins to circle around in front of the girls. This man might be Darnell getting into position to film his own segment of these same 3 girls. It's a rough estimate, but figure around 12:40 for the Darnell film segment you asked about.

Dear Royell,

Those three young women -- self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob, strawberry-blond Gloria Jeanne Holt, and blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons -- still(?) mislabeled in the Zapruder film as "Gloria Calvery," "Karan Hicks," and "Carol Reed," respectively, by the likes of Don Roberdeau and Robin Unger, were filmed walking across the concrete "patio" on the Grassy Knoll several minutes after the assassination NOT by Tina Towner, but by Tina Towner's father, Mr. Towner, with Tina Towner's camera.

You really should improve the quality of your so-called "JFKA research," Royell.

-- Tom
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Hi Royell. Thanks for the shout-out of my Wall Shadow Clock method being consistent with your 12:36 Murray/Haygood time estimate. I appreciate that.

 Will you tell me where on your timeline is Jimmy Darnell standing behind the park bench at the retaining wall, filming the infield and gathering around the Elm street sidewalk etc.? Thanks!

   James -  After Darnell filmed that segment showing the retaining wall, Elm St, etc, he then filmed the interview of Sitzman there at the Pergola Shelter. After that, Darnell filmed those "3 girls" walking down the knoll below the Pergola. Richard Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" did not provide a timeline for this film segment. I realized that these same "3 Girls" were also  filmed by Tina Towner at the very end of her film. (I can't be sure, but it looks like the same 3 Girls). Trask time stamped this  Towner film "3 Girls" segment to be at, "About 10 minutes" after the shooting. This same Towner segment showing the "3 Girls", also shows a man running down from the Pergola shelter area. He begins to circle around in front of the girls. This man might be Darnell getting into position to film his own segment of these same 3 girls. It's a rough estimate, but figure around 12:40 for the Darnell film segment you asked about.
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According to Roselle and Scearce, "John Connally begins a quick head turn left at Z-151, followed by quickly looking
back right."

The problem with that interpretation is that in his first interview, JBC said he looked over his left shoulder and saw the President had slumped as if it was all part of the same motion. Clearly, JBC did not turn far enough to the left to see that nor even after he turned to his right.

Much of what he described afterward is fairly accurate with one minor detail. In his later tellings of the story, he said he started to turn back toward the front, which is true, and he was facing almost directly forward when he felt the shot hit him in the back. He did in fact reach a forward facing position but not until the bullet had already struck him. He then turned back to his right and doubled over in reaction to being hit. Here again, I believe his later recollections were influenced by what he had seen in the Z-film. He saw himself doubled over in the late Z230s and saw he had reached a forward facing position at about Z230 and figured that was about when he was hit. He was actually hit less than a half second earlier which was followed almost immediately by his involuntary, reflexive arm flip at Z226. He didn't even remember being hit in the wrist but that event along with the jacket bulge two frames earlier give us the best indication of when the single bullet struck. Z226 is also the frame JFK made a similar involuntary, reflexive response to being hit by suddenly raising both arms.
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Connally's reaction began at Z164 when he began to turn to his right.

According to Roselle and Scearce, "John Connally begins a quick head turn left at Z-151, followed by quickly looking
back right."

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Oswald's first shot ricochet (at pseudo Z110 say) hurt jfk koz jfk said my god i am hit (or some such).
Oswald's 2nd shot (at Z218) damaged jfk's throat etc, hence jfk could not speak.
Hickey's last shot (of hiz say 4 or 5 or 6 auto shots) at Z312 blew the top off jfk's head.
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Dear Royell,

Regardless, given the fact that

1) Baker believed the shots had come from six floors higher (i.e., the roof), and

2) Oswald was on the second floor when he encountered him, and

3) Oswald was calm, and

4) Truly vouched for Oswald's employment there,

It was logical for Police Officer Cop Officer Baker to not waste time patting Oswald down to see if he was concealing a rifle in his pocket, but to let him enjoy is Coke-Cola and for Truly and himself to continue their potentially dangerous journey upwards.

-- Tom
Oswald did not hav a coke at that time, the coke was later.
Assassinations go better with coke.
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   The above Nutty Professor hocus-pocus is needless overkill. We know that Officer Haygood made a documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked right there at the Elm St curb. This means the Darnell still frame allegedly showing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness happened at 12:34. The alleged 12:34 Darnell still frame showing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness is physically impossible. After interviewing an eyewitness, Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 police radio transmission. He said he was bringing in a witness/Amos Euins to the TSBD. Harkness then put Euins on the back of his 3 wheel motorcycle: (1) Took Euins to the TSBD, (2) Loaded him into the back seat of Inspector Sawyer's car, and (3) Then established security behind the TSBD. THIS, is when where we see Harkness in that Darnell still frame. The time would be 12:38. Only, that ain't Officer Haygood with Harkness on the Darnell still frame. We know this because Officer Haygood was already back at his motorcycle making his documented radio transmission at 12:35.  Who is this "One Glove Cop"? Where is his motorcycle? Where did he come from? Where is he going?
Hi Royell. Thanks for the shout-out of my Wall Shadow Clock method being consistent with your 12:36 Murray/Haygood time estimate. I appreciate that.

 Will you tell me where on your timeline is Jimmy Darnell standing behind the park bench at the retaining wall, filming the infield and gathering around the Elm street sidewalk etc.? Thanks!
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  Bump

And still no support for your unsubstantiated claim. You just made it up like you do with everything else you believe.
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        Ben Cole was notorious on the Education Forum for insisting that Donald Trump's January 6th mob attack
        on Congress was, in reality, a Deep State plot against Donald Trump.  So much for Ben's acumen.

        And Ben never studied, or understood, the scientific data about 9/11, or the 21st century history of PNAC.

        Ben is not a scientist.

        Here is one, simple question for Ben Cole, Bill Brown, Mytton, Graves, et.al. here.

        Answer the question, please.
 
         What liquefied the steel that was "flowing like a foundry" at Ground Zero?

         The molten steel cascades are visible on film, and were documented by NYFD firefighters.
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