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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 02:56:03 PM »
(and surely you meant before z225 rather than z255).

??
Read the post.
z207 shows the three agents not showing any sign of the reactions they described regarding the first shot.
Ready said he turned to his right. He lifted his right hand from the right handhold at z199 and began turning right. Landis, behind him, has turned his head a few times before z207. Hickey has as well. How quickly are you expecting agents to react? If the shot sound was before z202 why would you expect dramatic changes by z207?  By z254-255 when Altgens #6 was exposed, that is 3 seconds after the “just before z202” shot, but we can’t really tell when those changes began.

You don’t mention Linda Willis or Hugh Betzner or occupants of the VP security car who put the first shot just before they completed the full 120 degree turn onto Elm.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:55:33 PM »
If the acoustic evidence is so solid, why didn't anybody see a gunman on the GK?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:33:45 PM »
One falsehood you hear from many critics of the acoustical evidence is that determining the origin and timing of gunfire from acoustical recordings was a new and untested science in 1978. In point of fact, one of the reasons the Acoustical Society of America recommended BBN to the HSCA was that BBN acoustical scientists had real-world experience in determining the origin and timing of gunfire from a sound recording in the 1970 Kent State shooting incident.

Dr. James Barger, BBN's chief acoustical scientist, was one of the BBN scientists involved with analyzing the audio recording of the Kent State shooting at the request of the prosecution. Dr. Barger and his team used a combination of waveform physics, sound-speed calculations, vector triangulation, and an onsite reenactment to identify the location and timing of the numerous shots that were fired. They identified the shock waves and muzzle blasts of the rifle fire. By measuring the precise time-delay intervals between the arrival of the shock waves and the arrival of the muzzle blasts, the BBN scientists were able to mathematically calculate which National Guardsmen were the first to fire shots.

The BBN team isolated each individual pair of sound impulses (shock plus blast) and plotted them chronologically to determine the exact tempo of the shooting, showing that the gunfire lasted for approximately 13 seconds. This allowed the BBN experts to determine that the shots were not fired in a single, simultaneous blast, but rather in a rapid, overlapping sequence. And, using vector triangulation and sound-speed calculations derived from the shock wave-muzzle blast intervals, Dr. Barger and his team were able to determine the gunfire's distance from the microphone and to establish that the gunfire came primarily from the crest of Blanket Hill, where the National Guardsman were positioned.

Does any of this sound familiar?

BTW, the BBN team's acoustical analysis in the Kent State case was so solid and impressive that it was not only admitted as evidence in the trial but was stipulated by the defense to be correct (5 HSCA 645). As most here know, defense lawyers don't like to stipulate to the correctness of damaging scientific evidence unless the evidence is beyond dispute.

Finally, I should point out that, not surprisingly, by 1978 Dr. Barger had already established himself as a recognized expert in applied acoustics, sound scattering, and sound reverberation, and had been a research fellow at Harvard University's Acoustics Research Laboratory before being hired by BBN. Before working at Harvard, he worked as a sonar scientist in the U.S. Navy's Underwater Sound Laboratory. By 1978, he had also had numerous papers published on acoustical science. After the HSCA investigation, Dr. Barger continued to have papers and articles published on acoustical science, including the following:

"Boomerang Mobile Counter Shooter Detection System" (2005, Proceedings of The International Society for Optical Engineering)

"Systems and Methods for Determining Shooter Locations with Weak Muzzle Detection" (2007, which earned a U.S. patent for BBN [by then Raytheon BBN]). "This technology of muzzle detection and system, applied in direction finders, acoustic wave reradiation, instruments, etc., solved the problems of inability to determine the range (distance) of the shooter, inaccurate derived distance information, and inability to determine the distance between the sensor(s) and the origin of the shockwave, so as to improve the disambiguation of the shooter's trajectory solution."

"System and Method for Identifying a Muzzle Blast Using a Multi-sensor Total Energy Approach" (2008, which earned a U.S. patent Raytheon BBN)

"System and Methods for Detecting Shooter Locations from an Aircraft" (2013, which earned a U.S. patent for Raytheon BBN)

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Explain.

The "information had been given out earlier"...sure, there were some news reports connecting LHO to Havana, largely courtesy of the DRE. So what?

But again...if you polled 100 residents in Dallas, what minute sliver do you think could distinguish between the "Fair Play for Cuba Committee" rather than the "Free Cuba Committee"?  Sure, some news guys maybe, following the LHO story, might know the difference.

But why Ruby?

Typically, LNT'ers describe Ruby as an underpowered and largely unsuccessful nightclub operator, a nobody, so unsuccessful he shared an apartment in a low-rent section of Dallas. Even the second-rate mob of Dallas snubbed Ruby. A stumblebum.

But Ruby was lightening fast on feet at a news conference, alertly catching DA Wade in a small verbal slip. On a rather arcane topic.

It is enigmatic.

The HSCA developed more of the backstory on Ruby, largely overlooked by the WC. Interesting topic. 
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The information about the Fair Play for Cuba Committee had been given out earlier and Ruby was just one of several who made the correction. Another myth busted.

then post it
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BD-

I am in the "small CT" camp. The few perps on the ground may have been the entire JFKA conspiracy. Just IMHO.

That said, the picture of the bespectacled Jack Ruby correcting Wade on the fine points of Castro and anti-Castro groups...boggles the imagination.

"Jack Ruby publicly corrected (at a news conference) District Attorney Henry Wade by stating that Lee Harvey Oswald was connected to the 'Fair Play for Cuba' Committee rather than the 'Free Cuba Committee.'"

I would wager not 1 in 100 Dallas residents in 1963 could make the distinction, including Wade.

If LHO was linked back to Bruce Solie...as Tennent Bagley, John Newman, and Tom Graves have suggested...then there would be reasons to keep LHO quiet.

The LHO-Havana-KGB links have never really been examined.

The information about the Fair Play for Cuba Committee had been given out earlier and Ruby was just one of several who made the correction. Another myth busted.
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BD-

I am in the "small CT" camp. The few perps on the ground may have been the entire JFKA conspiracy. Just IMHO.

That said, the picture of the bespectacled Jack Ruby correcting Wade on the fine points of Castro and anti-Castro groups...boggles the imagination.

"Jack Ruby publicly corrected (at a news conference) District Attorney Henry Wade by stating that Lee Harvey Oswald was connected to the 'Fair Play for Cuba' Committee rather than the 'Free Cuba Committee.'"

I would wager not 1 in 100 Dallas residents in 1963 could make the distinction, including Wade.

If LHO was linked back to Bruce Solie...as Tennent Bagley, John Newman, and Tom Graves have suggested...then there would be reasons to keep LHO quiet.

The LHO-Havana-KGB links have never really been examined.

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SMG-

Most CT's reflect the ideological, political or ethnic biases of the CT'er.

Over the the Education Forum, now it is Mossad who perped the JFKA...and Watergate too!

For a certain generation, Vietnam was of surpassing importance, the frame of reference for everything
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[The Traitorous Orange You-Know-What] is doing a lot better than Rep Ilhar Omar.

This is even more Minnesota corruption.

OMG, has she been convicted???

And what about Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and all of those pet-eating Haitians in Ohio!!!

And all them murderin' 'n and rapin' Mexicans!!!

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Great interview, Fred.  thank you very much !
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