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Your Honor, may the record reflect that the learned counsel for Mr. Bagley just used the term "straight skinny" in the same sentence with names like Jefferson Morley and Jim DiEugenio? If Your Honor will permit, may the court reporter be permitted to use emojis - to wit:  :D :D :D - in the official transcript? Thank you, Your Honor.

My client confesses to being somewhat confused by learned counsel's inclusion of John L. Hart as a purveyor of the straight skinny since one might have thought learned counsel would regard him as a purveyor of non-straight non-skinny, or whatever the correct term may be. But whatever, Your Honor, we have no objection. May the record reflect that the name Cleveland Cram - whoever he was - strikes my client as a bit of a hoot as well? Thank you, Your Honor.

Yes, Your Honor, my client is fully aware of Leonard "Bones" McCoy. Beam us up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life here, etc., etc. Learned counsel's inclusion of Bones in the straight-skinny list is, we will concede, a nice touch of persiflage.

BTW, Your Honor, in law school I actually had a classmate named Roger Gonad. He covered his bases by pronouncing it go-NAHD, but I always thought that must be a hell of a burden to carry through life. Yes, Your Honor, I believe that's all we have on this.

Bada boom, bada bing. A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer in your pants. No, really, I could go on like this all day ...

Dear FPR,

In failing to find an error -- any error -- in what I've written in this thread and/or my reasoning, your desperate attempt to charmingly change the subject by pretending to not recognize the import of the scare quotes around the phrase the straight skinny and tell yuk-yuk jokes, instead, betrays your fake persona or should I say personas.

What's really sad, though, is your refusing to countenance anything that might challenge the sacrosanct-but-fake "patriotic brand" of your hero, The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx").

-- Tom
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I doubt that FPR has "the gonads" to try to debunk anything I've written or copied-and-pasted in my most recent post on this thread.

But maybe he will.

If his wife lets him.

And, of course, only after he's gotten "the straight skinny" from the likes of Tom Mangold, David Wise, Cleveland Cram, Richards J. Heuer, Jefferson Morley, John L. Hart, George Kisevalter, Leonard V. McCoy, and Jim DiEugenio, et al. ad nauseam.

EDIT:

Well, it's been a couple of hours and there's no sign of FPR, so I guess I go ahead with my next installment

Here’s a column that’s chock-a-bock full of Royden’s “misstatements." (It’s interesting to note that the whole column to the left of it is redacted.)

My comments are in brackets.


Nosenko’s Ordeal

By the summer of 1964, Nosenko situation had dramatically worsened. He was held a virtual prisoner in the Washington area while continuous efforts were made to convince him to “confess” his KGB role. In August 1965, Nosenko was moved to [deleted] where he remained until October 1967 in near total isolation.

In December 1965, the first protest of his treatment came from senior Soviet Bloc Division Reports Officer Leonard McCoy, who had been given access to Nosenko materials [Tennent H. Bagley’s thick file on Nosenko was loaned to McCoy by Division Chief David E. Murphy for a few days so that he could come to realize the threat that Nosenko and others posed to the CIA. Murphy did this after reading McCoy’s report about his recent meeting with Kremlin-loyal Aleksei Kulak -- J. Edgar Hoover’s shielded-from-CIA FEDORA – in which it was obvious to him that McCoy had believed everything Kulak had told him], concluded that Nosenko was a valid defector. McCoy then wrote a 31-page paper in which he detailed the unique value of the counterintelligence information Nosenko had provided, which stood in contrast to many of Golitsyn's vague leads. He also strongly attacked the analysis by which Nosenko had been judged. SB Division Chief Murphy rejected McCoy’s paper, but McCoy jumped the chain of command and in April 1967 sent a memo directly to Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) Helms making his case that Nosenko was a valid defector. In October 1967, based on the recommendation of DDCI Admiral Rufus Taylor (and possibly as a result of McCoy's memo to the DCI) Nosenko was turned over to the Office of Security [i.e., probable mole Bruce Solie, who was Deputy Chief of its Security Research Staff] for handling. OS [Solie] immediately removed him from solitary confinement and through August 1968 conducted its own polygraph examinations [sic; examination, singular –- one of the worst ones that polygraph expert Richard O. Arther had ever seen, according to what he told the HSCA in 1978], which concluded that Nosenko had been substantially truthful on all relevant questions. In September 1968 the FBI concluded after its own interrogations of Nosenko and collateral inquiries that there were no indications of deception by Nosenko and no good reason to doubt his bona fides. Finally, in October 1968, OS officer Bruce Solie [see above] wrote a [long, lie-filled] memorandum which concluded that Nosenko was the person he claimed to be, that he served in the KGB in the positions that he claimed to serve, and that he was not dispatched by the KGB [possibly true, because although he was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, he may have been a rogue physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964], and that previous inconsistencies in his debriefings were not of material significance. [blatant lie] The OS report went on to cite voluminous valuable counterintelligence information Nosenko provided. [blatant lie] This included information on some 2000 [2000??] KGB officers and 300 [300??] KGB agents or contacts, some of whom he accurately identified as us the British citizens recruited by the KGB. [Bagley points out in Spy Wars that neither Nosenko nor any of the other false defectors or KGB-loyal "volunteers" betrayed anyone who wasn't either already suspected or still had access to classified information]

Angleton never accepted Nosenko’s rehabilitation. In January 1969 he continued to insist that Nosenko was a provocation, since to judge otherwise would have repudiated Golitsyn, “a proven reliable KGB source.” [That’s not why Angleton believed Nosenko was a false defector – He believed it for several other counterintelligence reasons] Nosenko died in August 2008. According to his obituary in the Washington Post, he had lived under an assumed name [George Martin Rosnek]. The obituary asserted that in 1975 he found Angleton's telephone number and called him; the conversation apparently led nowhere. [correct] 

Golitsyn’s Slide into Irrelevance

After his involvement in the HONETOL investigations [which commission had six members, one of whom was Solie], Golitsyn became increasingly removed from operational activities. In July 1965, the FBI broke off all contact with him. [J. Edgar Hoover always hated him because what he said made the FBI look incompetent] From then on, Golitsyn became immersed in writing books with his analysis of Soviet government behavior and goals and what he thought the West needed to do to defend itself. For the most part, he withdrew from contact with CIA or other intelligence services. He has produced two books that maintain his conspiracy and deception theories. A Facebook page is kept in his name; 38 people have “liked” the page as of the end of 2011. [Point being?]

Fancy Pants Rants is back!
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Two sets of tramps were arrested in the railroad yards. The pictured tramps are Rogers, Harrelson and Chauncey Holt. Lois Gibson identified Holt and Harrelson while the third "Frenchy" was Rogers.
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The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.



Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.



In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.



JohnM

   As we see above in the Couch Film still frame, those 2 figures are headed directly toward the Passenger Train Cars in front of them. That alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop/Haygood is also headed toward those train cars on the Darnell Film. The photos of the "3 Tramps" shows them being marched away from this very same area of the Rail Road Yard.
   Does anyone know how the ID's/Names of the 3 Tramps were attained by DPD? Were their names simply "word of mouth", or did these 3 Tramps carry ID back in 1963?       
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Morley re-posted on his JFK substack what appears to be a travelogue, but one that crosses Dallas and the "X" where the "downfall" of America began.

This is a favorite meme of some JFKA CT'ers, that after the JFKA everything changed, an instead of global peace and enlightenment, we had decades of war and social regression. And you know what that means about who perped the JFKA.

Because Castro and Khrushchev were nice guys and the KGB and G2 also!

---30---

      JFK Facts cross-posted a post from Sarah Kendzior’s Newsletter
      
Jefferson Morley
Jan 17 · JFK Facts

"X marks the spot where the modern American downfall began."

So write Sarah Kendzior about a recent road trip to Dallas and Dealey Plaza, in which the presence of history speaks to our present.

The Invaders

Thieves of American empire are gunning for your future.

SARAH KENDZIOR
JAN 17

 
The theater where Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested is playing Eyes Wide Shut. The movie is a revival. Everything is a revival when nothing gets resolved.

I am driving around Dallas the day after Christmas. The Texas Theatre is near Oswald’s residence, an unassuming home with a sign offering tours. I decline: I came to see the graves of Bonnie and Clyde and the Ewing Building where they shot JR. I can only handle so much crime at once. But Dallas never cared about that.

Sarah Kendzior’s Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.

My phone offers “news”: pseudo-revelations about Jeffrey Epstein that his victims told in the 1990s, back when Stanley Kubrick was making Eyes Wide Shut. The media ignored the victims because the media are friends with the predators. They dismissed them until 2025, when media itself crumbled and US institutions abandoned even the pretense of law. Now the predators are purchasing social media outlets, the last bastions of unfiltered inquiry, like they’re plugging leaks on their yachts.

There is a theory that Kubrick’s tale of satanic elites was inspired by Epstein — or at least, by people like him. I don’t doubt the latter. There are more people like Epstein than anyone wanted to know.

I drive over a white X painted on the road. I realize I’ve passed the book depository where Oswald allegedly shot JFK and am now in the place where he died.

X marks the spot where the modern American downfall began. It happens fast when you’re a Dallas stranger: the grassy knoll is there and gone before you feel the gravity. I wonder about locals who drive here every day and if a presidential corpse marker is something a person can get used to.

I replay the events of 2025 and how, despite my best efforts, my mind adjusted to the horror, even if my heart never could and never will. I’d rather carry this shattered reliquary in my chest than let it beat blithely to unremitting cruelty.

It’s not what I asked for, but it’s what I am, and they’re not taking that away too.

* * *

Every year my husband and kids and I drive from St Louis to Dallas for Christmas, and every year we stop in Arkansas or Oklahoma to make it interesting. In 2024, we saw a bootlegger’s lair, a Bigfoot Museum, questionable Viking runes, and the Center of the Universe (which is in Tulsa, of course.) In 2023, we visited Christ of the Ozarks and retraced the Trail of Tears. Both years we stayed at a haunted hotel.

The route between St. Louis and Dallas is one of the most interesting in the world. Buried crimes abet enormous absurdities. We stopped in Fort Smith, Arkansas, where white supremacists were tried for sedition in 1988, to see the World’s Largest Christmas Pickle. We had a Whataburger picnic in Paris, Texas under an Eiffel Tower replica topped with a red cowboy hat, and drove past the unmarked sites of lynchings until we found the highway again.

Our 2025 trip was bookended by caves. I love caves. It is soothing when the outer world matches the dark state of your soul. It makes you search harder for the light.

I have seen every show cave in Arkansas and 18 out of 20 in Missouri. This feat qualifies me for an Explorer’s Club Patch, which I was gently told by a park ranger is meant for small children. I sent for it anyway. In a cave, I feel like a child, awed and protected. There is no cell phone service in a cave. There is only the unbending truth of ancient geology, and the ever-bending bullshit of an Ozarks tale.

Old Spanish Treasure Cave is near Bentonville, where the Walton family built the Walmart fortune. According to legend — in the Ozarks, there is nothing else with which to accord — they were preceded some 300 years by Spanish conquistadors who mistook Arkansas for El Dorado and decided to search for gold.

The conquistadors found gold but were run out of the region by (take your pick) murderous bandits, Osage tribesmen, or a giant bear. They buried their bullion in the cave, drew a vague treasure map, and died before they could return. In the 19th century, a man in Madrid discovered the map inside an old family Bible. He sailed the high seas to Arkansas to begin the conquest anew, only to die upon arrival — but the legend did not. American miners picked up where the Spanish left off. The bounty is said to be worth over $300 million.

There are dozens of variations on this tale as well as real archeological evidence of Spanish inhabitation. Our guide led my family through layers of rock and history, a maze marked by ancient fossils and plastic conquistador skeletons. The raw beauty of life and the stupid things we do with it.

Stalactites and stalagmites shimmered, but far fewer than in centuries past. Lust for gold led Westerners to destroy whole sections of the cave, demolishing in seconds what took millions of years to form.

“Tourists broke it too,” the guide said, gesturing at a chipped and ragged stretch of ceiling. “In olden days, they’d get a soda straw [a small hollow stalactite] as a souvenir.”

I considered what it must be like to break a stalactite, to shatter a record of time like it meant nothing. Caves are alive. The tips of soda straws have drops of water filled with the minerals that help them grow a millimeter or so per year. They linger like teardrops waiting to fall. When one falls on me, it feels like a tear of joy, a sign that the world perseveres in darkness.

My mind wandered to the modern conquistadors: the oligarchs mining the earth to build data centers for artificial intelligence. Political frontmen want us subservient to both the oligarchs and their technofascist tools. They will sacrifice humanity and destroy the climate to get there. The latter is not new; the former is. The net of disposability has widened to include everyone but them.

Oligarchs are breaking and buying history the way Ozarks tourists snapped off stalactites decades ago. Show caves are lessons in damage done: how man has a choice between respecting the environment and living with it, or destroying it for mementos that thieve joy from everyone else.

When you delete the past, you steal the wonder of discovery. Childlike wonder is key to the show cave. Their modern stewards tend to be conservationists who guard the real treasure — the transcendent geology of the underworld — from robber barons above.

No one knows what happened to the conquistadors. It’s assumed they returned to the heart of Spanish territory, Latin America — perhaps, to what’s now Venezuela. Venezuela, where the US government and its oligarch partners have decided to rape the land the old-fashioned way: for oil.

What goes around comes around — but that’s not really true. What goes around can be destroyed and never seen again. What the oligarchs want most is no one left to tell the story, and no one left to love what once was.

* * *

On the way to Dallas we stopped in Tuskahoma, the Capitol of the Choctaw Nation. The Capitol building, built in 1884, is now a museum of Choctaw history. Exhibits on Choctaw crafts, self-governance, military service as Code Talkers, and oppression by the US government line the walls. “Chahta Sia Hoke – I am Choctaw!,” one wall read, surrounded by photos of Choctaw people over centuries.

In December 2023, my family inadvertently retraced the forced exile of the Choctaw: driving the Natchez Trace in Mississippi, their original territory, and then stopping in the Choctaw Nation in Oklahoma, where they were forced to live on reservations after walking the Trail of Tears.

I wrote about how the 19th-century fate of the Choctaw mirrors the 21st-century fate of the Palestinians — only to learn that Israel had abused the Choctaw, too, and recently. In 2006, lobbyist Jack Abramoff was indicted after stealing $15 million from the Choctaw, whom he described as “monkeys,” to give to Israelis to build a “sniper school” for murdering Palestinians.

Outside the Choctaw Capitol Building is an intricate silver sculpture called The Eternal Heart. It commemorates the bond between the Choctaw and the Irish. In 1847, the impoverished and displaced Choctaw heard about the Great Famine in Ireland, a weapon of British imperialism, and sent the Irish $170 — equivalent to about $5000 today. In 2020, the government of Ireland returned the favor by giving aid to Choctaws at the height of the pandemic.

The generosity of the suffering Choctaw to the suffering Irish is deeply moving — not only in its selflessness, but because it was never forgotten or taken for granted. The Irish remembered. A bond was forged. In that bond lies hope: that if we recognize the shared fragility of the world under the oligarch boot, and give of ourselves even in hardship, we gain strength in solidarity.

Being on the “right side of history” is romanticized. It often means you were wronged and people cared too late. You are acknowledged after the fact, and the fact is oppression, with your survival trumpeted like cheap equanimity. How nice that we’re both on the right side of history, now that the walls we built to contain you are loosed!

The Choctaw not only committed a kind act: they committed a defiant one. They remained human in the face of constant dehumanization. They stayed on the right side of history in real time. The Irish returned the favor and have been among the most outspoken nations about the Gaza genocide and other atrocities.

In the 21st century, defiance is compassion; compassion is defiance.

* * *

In northern Arkansas lies War Eagle Valley, named for bloody battles between Union-supporting Missourians and Confederate Arkansans. Its most famed monument is War Eagle Mill, where, in 2019, my son found a fossil in a boulder by the waterwheel.

He was eight and excited. We left the fossil alone, both because I can’t carry a boulder, but also because we wanted others to enjoy the serendipity of the find.

I didn’t return to War Eagle Mill until 2025. I searched for that fossil like I was trying to revive 2019 — before covid, before ubiquitous AI, before Trump term two — but couldn’t find it. I was after lost time: for what else is a fossil but found time? I imagined pressing the fossil and discovering it was a magic button that would transport us to the past. I prefer the past to the future because I know it’s there.

War Eagle Cavern lies a few miles from War Eagle Mill. Before it became a show cave in the 1970s, the cavern had been home to the usual Ozarks residents — Native Americans, bandits, bootleggers — and now was inhabited by 75,000 bats.

The guide led us down a rocky forest trail. He said he used to be a goat herder but was now a caretaker of the cave. He apologized for being tired and explained he had two toddlers at home. I looked at my two teenagers, remembering when they were smaller than stalagmites, and felt the deepest envy at his plight.

“Treasure this time with them, it goes by fast,” I said. He looked at me with the uncomprehending eyes of a man who hasn’t slept in three years.

We walked through a wide open-air passage and descended into the dark. I felt my senses heightening and dulling at the same time, a reversal of misfortune. This is why we had come. In a year of constant sorrow, I craved reliable relief.

We navigated a karst dreamworld of twisted tubes and sloping spires, our guide explaining their geology — until he suddenly stopped. He signaled to us to be silent and pointed his flashlight at the ceiling.

A lone gray bat slept upside-down. He was very small.

“This little guy got left behind,” the guide said softly. “Bats clear out of the cave every season. But he’s a juvenile and got confused and separated from his tens of thousands of friends. I keep an eye on him and make sure he’s doing okay.”

One by one we were permitted to walk under the little bat, as quietly as we could, so we would not disturb him.

We were the invaders.

Bats are vulnerable creatures. In the early 2000s, white-nose syndrome arrived in the US, reducing the bat population by millions: up to 90% in some caves. It paralleled the decline of everything in America we used to take for granted.

We shuffled through the cave until my daughter spotted something flickering in the distance and asked what it was.

“Good eye!” the guide exclaimed after inspecting. “That’s a tricolored bat; they’re rare. I didn’t know he was back there hiding. I’ll have to keep my eye on him too.”

My daughter later confessed she was inquiring about the egg sac of a horrifically large spider that lives in the cave and didn’t see the bat at all, but that was okay.

War Eagle Cavern makes a circular route. As we retraced our steps toward the gray bat, our guide looked worried. He thought the bat had stirred and wondered if the next tour group should be allowed to pass. I was touched by his concern. It was the concern of a good father.

Slowly, silently, we walked under the baby bat and bid War Eagle Cavern goodbye.

* * *

Dallas is a tangle of highways laid out like nooses choking the American Dream. Between them lie oil and tech companies scraping scars into the Texas sky. I still like to visit. Dallas is bad in an honest way. The sins and crimes of America are laid plain. That we do not fully understand them is laid plain too.

Days after we returned from Dallas, the US invaded Venezuela. They kidnapped its president. The agenda is oil, but the motive is what it always is: because they can. If no one stops them, they will do it again: to Cuba, to Iran, to Greenland, to outer space.

There are no limits and there are no regards. Taking for the sake of taking, abusing for the sake of abusing. Snatching everyone from a random migrant to the president of a sovereign state. Congress asks to be briefed on the illegal action next time round. Eyes wide shut, bank accounts wide open.

The drive between St. Louis and Dallas is one of the most interesting in the world because so much remains untouched by big business. It is infamously inhospitable. I want it to stay that way. Fossils instead of fossil fuel profiteers. Legends and lore from humans instead of chatbots. I prefer my bullshit homegrown, my lies artisanal.

I prefer people who protect wildlife and document history’s horrors while honoring those who did the right thing simply because it was the right thing to do.

Americans are being pulled into something worse than war. We are being pulled into a global realignment in which our existence is inconvenient. The ruling class doesn’t want to spill my blood: they want to kill my soul and hope that I don’t notice. They want the same for you, whoever you are.

The invaders love an endangered species, and humanity is on the list.

* * *

Dear "BC,"

1) What does "crosses Dallas" mean? You mean like burning KKK crosses?

2) Why did you put a question mark at the end of the title?

-- "TG"

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Well, I just had to look, didn't I?

Research reveals that there are a veritable plethora of Bigfoot Museums. Expedition Bigfoot: The Sasquatch Museum is in Blue Ridge, GA, while the North American Bigfoot Center is in - wait for it - Boring, OR. And there are several others.

I have always found cryptozoology to be the least interesting of weirdness topics. In case you're interested, cutting-edge Bigfoot thinking, which actually does match the "evidence" better than boring theories like "huge apelike but highly elusive beast," is that Mr. Bigfoot is in fact an inter-dimensional creature, perhaps associated with the inter-dimensional phenomenon loosely called UFO/UAP.

MTG will now explain how this ties into the JFKA. ("If Oswald was actually an inter-dimensional time traveler, the LN theory collapses like a house of cards." Well, no, it actually doesn't ...)

Dear FPR,

I wear size 15s.

I figure those are big enough for . . .  aww . . . never mind.

-- Tom
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I doubt that FPR has "the gonads" to try to debunk anything I've written or copied-and-pasted in my most recent post on this thread.

But maybe he will.

If his wife lets him.

And, of course, only after he's gotten "the straight skinny" from the likes of Tom Mangold, David Wise, Cleveland Cram, Richards J. Heuer, Jefferson Morley, John L. Hart, George Kisevalter, Leonard V. McCoy, and Jim DiEugenio, et al. ad nauseam.

EDIT:

Well, it's been a couple of hours and there's no sign of FPR, so I guess I go ahead with my next installment

Here’s a column that’s chock-a-bock full of Royden’s “misstatements." (It’s interesting to note that the whole column to the left of it is redacted.)

My comments are in brackets.


Nosenko’s Ordeal

By the summer of 1964, Nosenko situation had dramatically worsened. He was held a virtual prisoner in the Washington area while continuous efforts were made to convince him to “confess” his KGB role. In August 1965, Nosenko was moved to [deleted] where he remained until October 1967 in near total isolation.

In December 1965, the first protest of his treatment came from senior Soviet Bloc Division Reports Officer Leonard McCoy, who had been given access to Nosenko materials [Tennent H. Bagley’s thick file on Nosenko was loaned to McCoy by Division Chief David E. Murphy for a few days so that he could come to realize the threat that Nosenko and others posed to the CIA. Murphy did this after reading McCoy’s report about his recent meeting with Kremlin-loyal Aleksei Kulak -- J. Edgar Hoover’s shielded-from-CIA FEDORA – in which it was obvious to him that McCoy had believed everything Kulak had told him], concluded that Nosenko was a valid defector. McCoy then wrote a 31-page paper in which he detailed the unique value of the counterintelligence information Nosenko had provided, which stood in contrast to many of Golitsyn's vague leads. He also strongly attacked the analysis by which Nosenko had been judged. SB Division Chief Murphy rejected McCoy’s paper, but McCoy jumped the chain of command and in April 1967 sent a memo directly to Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) Helms making his case that Nosenko was a valid defector. In October 1967, based on the recommendation of DDCI Admiral Rufus Taylor (and possibly as a result of McCoy's memo to the DCI) Nosenko was turned over to the Office of Security [i.e., probable mole Bruce Solie, who was Deputy Chief of its Security Research Staff] for handling. OS [Solie] immediately removed him from solitary confinement and through August 1968 conducted its own polygraph examinations [sic; examination, singular –- one of the worst ones that polygraph expert Richard O. Arther had ever seen, according to what he told the HSCA in 1978], which concluded that Nosenko had been substantially truthful on all relevant questions. In September 1968 the FBI concluded after its own interrogations of Nosenko and collateral inquiries that there were no indications of deception by Nosenko and no good reason to doubt his bona fides. Finally, in October 1968, OS officer Bruce Solie [see above] wrote a [long, lie-filled] memorandum which concluded that Nosenko was the person he claimed to be, that he served in the KGB in the positions that he claimed to serve, and that he was not dispatched by the KGB [possibly true, because although he was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, he may have been a rogue physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964], and that previous inconsistencies in his debriefings were not of material significance. [blatant lie] The OS report went on to cite voluminous valuable counterintelligence information Nosenko provided. [blatant lie] This included information on some 2000 [2000??] KGB officers and 300 [300??] KGB agents or contacts, some of whom he accurately identified as us the British citizens recruited by the KGB. [Bagley points out in Spy Wars that neither Nosenko nor any of the other false defectors or KGB-loyal "volunteers" betrayed anyone who wasn't either already suspected or still had access to classified information]

Angleton never accepted Nosenko’s rehabilitation. In January 1969 he continued to insist that Nosenko was a provocation, since to judge otherwise would have repudiated Golitsyn, “a proven reliable KGB source.” [That’s not why Angleton believed Nosenko was a false defector – He believed it for several other counterintelligence reasons] Nosenko died in August 2008. According to his obituary in the Washington Post, he had lived under an assumed name [George Martin Rosnek]. The obituary asserted that in 1975 he found Angleton's telephone number and called him; the conversation apparently led nowhere. [correct] 

Golitsyn’s Slide into Irrelevance

After his involvement in the HONETOL investigations [which commission had six members, one of whom was Solie], Golitsyn became increasingly removed from operational activities. In July 1965, the FBI broke off all contact with him. [J. Edgar Hoover always hated him because what he said made the FBI look incompetent] From then on, Golitsyn became immersed in writing books with his analysis of Soviet government behavior and goals and what he thought the West needed to do to defend itself. For the most part, he withdrew from contact with CIA or other intelligence services. He has produced two books that maintain his conspiracy and deception theories. A Facebook page is kept in his name; 38 people have “liked” the page as of the end of 2011. [Point being?]
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To be fair to those of the CT persuasion, Ruby is the perfect illustration of what we find at every twist and turn of the JFKA.

He could have been someone’s garden-variety grandfather who owned a laundromat, had an entirely ordinary background and nice family, simply lost it when JFKA was assassinated, shot Oswald in the hallway of the DPD, and was sentenced by a sympathetic jury to 15 years in prison. No mystery, just one of those things.

But noooo, Ruby is a shady character with DPD connections, mob connections and Cuban connections; his supposed motive for killing Oswald seems iffy at best; he enters the garage under mysterious circumstances that practically scream “he had help”; he murders Oswald on national TV while Oswald is shackled to Leavelle in circumstances that practically scream “how was that impossible?”; he quickly morphs into a bizarre psychotic who says all sorts of weird things; and he’s represented by a celebrity tort lawyer who’s interested mostly in self-publicity and pretty well mangles the defense.

Like almost every aspect of the JFKA, it almost seems to have been designed to be and to remain forever puzzling. Yes, CTers like MTG and many others turn these puzzles into scenarios Agatha Christie could never have imagined, but they are puzzles that have a strange, almost designed quality to them. Is it really possible that we "just happen" to have these puzzles at every twist and turn? I suppose it is, but it's ... puzzling.

Dear FPR,

A laundromat with a strip joint in the back?

Reminds me of the performance by an aging stripper I and the dressed-in-their-Sunday-Best, going-home-from-church families were subjected to on Kodiak in 1973 while chowing down on the all-you-can-eat buffet-style lunch in the [the name escapes me now] bar.

Thanks for jogging that memory.

I've led an interesting life, with alleged-by-you "OCD" and all.

That "OCD" must explain why I kept going back for more fried chicken that day.

I just had to do it.

-- Tom

I mean Tom ... Tom  ... Tom ... Tom ... Tom ... Tom ... Tom ..................
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And here a few more examples:

-- If Arnold Rowland was telling the truth when he insisted he saw two men with rifles on the TSBD’s sixth floor 5-15 minutes before the shooting, the lone-gunman theory collapses.

The WC bent over backward to accept Howard Brennan’s problematic, contradictory testimony, but they looked for any excuse, no matter how lame or petty, to reject Rowland’s testimony, even though Rowland’s wife confirmed that he had immediately told her about seeing a man holding a rifle on the west end of the sixth floor (i.e., the opposite end of the building from the sniper’s nest). In a display of glaring bias, the WC not only rejected Rowland’s testimony but went to great lengths to discredit him as a witness and as a person.

By any reasonable standard, Rowland was a credible witness who had no reason to lie about seeing two men with rifles on the sixth floor shortly before the shooting. See chapter 4, pp. 19-21, in Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JuHmh8_AXyoKFyCt0RPXEUoHDPy-qakz/view.

Several men who were in the county jail in the Criminal Courts Building also saw two men on the TSBD’s sixth floor shortly before the shooting. One of them was Johnny Powell. He said the men were handling a scope on a rifle. Powell logically assumed the men were security officers.

Ruby Henderson was another person in the plaza who saw two men on the Depository’s sixth floor shortly before the shooting. In agreement with Rowland, she said one of the men had a dark complexion.

Carolyn Walthers was another witness who saw two men on the TSBD’s sixth floor shortly before the shooting. She said one of the men had a rifle. In agreement with four other witnesses, she said one of the men was wearing a light-colored shirt (but Oswald wore a brown, rust-colored shirt to work that day, and was seen wearing that shirt in the second-floor lunchroom less than 90 seconds after the shooting). It is instructive to note that Walthers reported that FBI agents tried to get her to change her story.

Powell’s, Henderson’s, and Walthers’ accounts are discussed in “Overlooked Witnesses,” https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339748/.

-- If Secret Service agent Paul Landis was telling the truth when he reported, shortly before he died, that he found a virtually undamaged bullet in the back seat of JFK’s limo and placed it on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital, the lone-gunman theory collapses.

Dr. James Robenalt, a historian who worked with Landis to prepare him for the publication of his disclosure, believes the disclosure “is really the most significant news in the assassination since 1963.”

When Landis came forward with his disclosure, he knew he was dying. He had no reason to fabricate such an account.

-- If the three pathologists at Methodist Hospital in Dallas who actually handled and examined the Harper Fragment were correct in identifying it as occipital bone, the lone-gunman theory collapses. Occipital bone is located only in the back of the skull.

One of those pathologists, Dr. A. B. Cairns, was the chief of pathology at Methodist Hospital. The two other pathologists were Dr. Jack Harper and Dr. Gerard Noteboom. All three identified the fragment as occipital bone. Their identification confirms the dozens of eyewitness accounts of a large hole in the right-rear part of JFK’s skull.

When Dr. David Mantik interviewed Dr. Noteboom in a recorded interview in November 1992, Dr. Noteboom confirmed that the Harper Fragment was occipital bone and that he actually held the fragment in his hands as he examined it.

Predictably, the Harper Fragment disappeared after the FBI gave it to Dr. George Burkley. We have the two FBI photos of the fragment, but not the fragment itself. Drs. Cairns, Harper, and Noteboom were the only pathologists who actually held the fragment in their hands and examined it, and all three said it was occipital bone.

Dr. David Mantik has confirmed that the fragment was occipital bone. See his detailed analyses of the Harper Fragment in his book JFK Assassination Paradoxes and The Final Analysis. See also the segments on the Harper Fragment in Dr. Mantik’s online articles “The JFK Autopsy Materials,” https://themantikview.org/pdf/The_JFK_Autopsy_Materials.pdf, and “The Medical Evidence Decoded,” https://themantikview.org/pdf/The_Medical_Evidence_Decoded.pdf.

By the way, Dr. John Ebersole, the radiologist at the autopsy, told the HSCA that one of the skull fragments that arrived late at the autopsy was “a large fragment of the occipital bone” (Testimony of John H. Ebersole, Medical Panel Meeting, HSCA, 3/11/78, p. 5).
MG: If Arnold Rowland was telling the truth when he insisted he saw two men with rifles on the TSBD’s sixth floor 5-15 minutes before the shooting, the lone-gunman theory collapses.[...]By any reasonable standard, Rowland was a credible witness

In his testimony, Rowland makes a number of claims about himself that are, shall we say...interesting. These claims were interesting enough that it triggered a Secret Service background check. The Secret Service found that Rowland's extraordinary claims about himself were BS, and that he had a reputation as being habitually untruthful.


MG: Ruby Henderson was another person in the plaza who saw two men on the Depository’s sixth floor shortly before the shooting

Ruby Henderson said "she saw two men on one of the upper floors of the building." IIRC she never said exactly what floor.


MG: Carolyn Walthers was another witness who saw two men on the TSBD’s sixth floor shortly before the shooting.

She said that the two men she saw were on the fourth or fifth floor. She was "positive this window was not as high as the sixth floor."


If the three pathologists at Methodist Hospital in Dallas who actually handled and examined the Harper Fragment were correct in identifying it as occipital bone, the lone-gunman theory collapses. Occipital bone is located only in the back of the skull.

If the Harper fragment were part of the occipital bone, then we should see a substantial portion of the cruciform eminence on its inner surface. But there is no trace of cruciform eminence to be found on the Harper fragment. Further, the inner surface of the Harper fragment features two prominent vascular grooves. The Parietal and Temporal bone have such grooves, but the  Occipital bone does not. Dr Joseph Riley, a neuroanatomist, summed it up this way: "simply put, occipital bone doesn't look like the [Harper Fragment], but parietal bone does."
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Dear Fancy Pants Rants,

Some quick, “tip of the iceberg,” points:

1) The position of Deputy Chief of the Soviet Russia Division (in all its incarnations) was a two-year one for everybody, ergo, Bagley's tenure there was planned-in-advance to end when it did. Furthermore, he chose to be Chief of Station in Brussels when that time came.

2) Regarding the fact that Bagley was once considered to be a possible “mole” by one person in the Agency, the following is what Angleton-and-Golitsyn-hating David Wise wrote in his 1992 book, Molehunt, about that allegation.

My comments are in brackets.

Early in 1967, Bagley, then the Deputy Chief of the Soviet Bloc Division, was offered the post of Chief of Station in Brussels. By September, he was in place. Bagley's exit was soon followed by David Murphy's departure for Paris. But no one was safe from the suspicion pervading the CIA. Now, Bagley himself became a target of Angleton’s mole hunters. Ed Petty, a member of the SIG [Angleton’s Special Investigation Group] began digging into his background. Petty fastened on an episode that had taken place years earlier, when Bagley had been stationed in Bern, handling Soviet operations in the Swiss capital. At the time, Bagley was attempting to recruit an officer of the UBC, the Polish intelligence service, in Switzerland. Petty concluded that a phrase in a letter from Michal Goleniewski, the Polish intelligence officer who called himself Sniper and who later defected to the CIA, suggested that “two weeks after approval of the operation by headquarters,” the KGB had advanced knowledge of the Swiss recruitment attempt --  the advance knowledge that could only have come from a mole in the CIA. Bagley said it proved nothing of the sort. “I was running the correspondence phase of Sniper in Switzerland,” he said. “We wrote a letter to a Polish security officer when I was in Bern station.” The letter, an attempt to recruit the Pole to work for the CIA, “mentioned the man's boss. Sometime later, Goleniewski wrote again, mentioning the name of the UB chief in Bern, “whose name you already know,” which meant that Goleniewski knew of our letter. But that doesn't mean that there was a mole in CIA. It means the target turned the letter into his service and our guy [Sniper] was high up enough to know about it.” Bagley said that Petty had interpreted the episode to mean that “the UB knew of the recruitment attempt in advance, which is quite different.” Petty, nevertheless, wrote an analysis of the Swiss recruitment episode, and of Bagley’s file, and concluded that “Bagley was a candidate to whom we should pay serious attention.” The study gave Bagley the cryptonym GIRAFFE. Petty said he submitted his paper “with some trepidation” because “I was well aware that Bagley had long been a protégé of Jim Angleton. Petty turned in his report to James Ramsay Hunt, Angleton’s deputy. “Hunt said, ‘This is the best thing I've seen yet.’” But, Petty added, he heard nothing from Angleton. “The Bagley report stewed in Angleton's inbox for a considerable time,” Petty said. “Then one day he called me in to discuss the Nosenko case. He brought up some of the points in Bagley's 900-plus-page [sic; 835-page] study. “And I said, ‘If there is a penetration [there probably was – Bruce Solie and/or Leonard V. McCoy], then Nosenko could not have been genuine.’” A mole in the CIA, Petty argued, would have told the KGB of Nosenko’s initial contact with the agency in 1962, and, Nosenko, had he been a true asset, would never have come back in 1964. “I said to him, ‘You don't need all these points in Bagleys 900-pager -- it's much simpler than that.” “Angleton sat there and mulled this point over for some time. Then he said to me, ‘Pete is not a Soviet spy.’” At that moment, Petty saw the light, like Saint Paul on the road to Damascus. It suddenly hit him; not Bagley but Angleton himself was the mole. “I was flabbergasted,” Petty said. “Because the subject of my paper about Pete had not arisen. It was at that point that I decided I'd been looking at it all wrong by assuming Golitsyn was good as gold. I began rethinking everything. If you turned the flip side, it all made sense. Golitsyn was sent to exploit Angleton. Then the next step, maybe not just an exploitation, and I had to extend it to Angleton. Golitsyn might have been dispatched as the perfect man to manipulate Angleton or provide Angleton with material on the basis of which he [Angleton] could penetrate and control other services.” [Either that, or Petty was all wet, and the mole was father-figure-requiring Angleton’s confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior in the mole-hunting Office of Security, Bruce Leonard Solie -- look him up.]

3) Regarding your hero, John L. Hart, read his lie-filled HSCA testimony and then read Bagley’s in which he rips Hart the proverbial new one.

4) It’s funny how far-right you and far-left Mike Clark (you can look up his posts on this forum) both denigrate Bagley’s character. You because you're secretly scared to death that KGB-trained-but-fascistic Vladimir Putin may have installed your fascistic buddy, The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") in 2017 and 2025. Smith because Bagley knew that Yuri “The KGB Had Nothing To Do With Oswald In The USSR” Nosenko was a false-defector-in-place-in-Geneva-in-June-1962 and a false (or perhaps rogue?) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964.

5) I'm happy to see that you finally bucked up enough courage to read my Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley. Feel free to permanently edit it if you can.

6) You really should start saving your money up so you can afford to pay Substack six bucks a month because then you'll be able to read my 500 free-to-read articles there -- two very recent ones of which are titled "The Convulsive Dance of Fancy Pants Lance" and "FPR 'discredits' Golitsyn's warnings re KGB's 1959-on Master Plan."

That's all for now, FPR, but be forewarned that the above list is subject to expansion after I'd had a cup of coffee . . .

-- Tom
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