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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did Knott Laboratory Disprove the Single-Bullet Theory?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 06:52:45 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 12:05:30 AM
RS-

Yes, Gov. JBC's surgeons believed a projectile entered the "dorsal" (wristwatch side) of his right wrist, fractured the bone, and then exited the "ventral" side.

Surgeon Shaw thought that wound-pattern indicated a separate projectile had struck JBC's wrist. Shaw thought the SBT could have happened, but leaned towards JBC being struck by a separate shot from JFK, and was additionally puzzled by JBC's wrist wound.

You can sit in you chair and try to face the dorsal and ventral side of your wrist to your chest. It takes a bit of contorting to get the dorsal side to face your chest. 

Even CT'ers seem little informed about these oddities regarding JBC's wounds. (In truth, most CT'ers prefer to chase ideologically informed narratives that comfortably explain the JFKA in its entirety, not hard facts).

I lean to towards more than one shooter on 11/22. But given that no one has ever determined who LHO's confederates or manipulators were...who knows who they were.

I suspect a very small plot, possibly two Alpha 66'ers, or G2'ers.

Suspicions, like allegations and accusations, are not facts.



https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-texas-governor-john-connally-showing-where-bullet-hit-his-wrist-during-80602219.html
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 12:40:17 AM »
Quote from: Jarrett Smith on Yesterday at 12:18:55 AM
They need to use more explosive next time.

Up your you-know-what.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?
« Last post by Marjan Rynkiewicz on Yesterday at 12:38:09 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 05, 2025, 11:06:24 PM
  So "officially" there was No Hole noted?

I could not find a copy of the 1963 magazine article.
I am thinking that the hole was not filled, in which case it would be vizible from under the limo at the museum.



Quote from: Marjan Rynkiewicz on March 09, 2021, 11:14:19 AM


https://sites.google.com/view/oswaldsfirstshot/home
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPNYhsVvFb7NjNyOvPCyTnGtmP3XpWWM2GN9PYxT-RiaYBjC1sygstEOSKU718Jyg?key=bmtZbEUzbERLb3l4TW5aeFBrem5tS1dzZVVuNm9B
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Yesterday at 12:18:55 AM »
They need to use more explosive next time. Hopefully they destroy them all. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did Knott Laboratory Disprove the Single-Bullet Theory?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 12:05:30 AM »
RS-

Yes, Gov. JBC's surgeons believed a projectile entered the "dorsal" (wristwatch side) of his right wrist, fractured the bone, and then exited the "ventral" side.

Surgeon Shaw thought that wound-pattern indicated a separate projectile had struck JBC's wrist. Shaw thought the SBT could have happened, but leaned towards JBC being struck by a separate shot from JFK, and was additionally puzzled by JBC's wrist wound.

You can sit in you chair and try to face the dorsal and ventral side of your wrist to your chest. It takes a bit of contorting to get the dorsal side to face your chest. 

Even CT'ers seem little informed about these oddities regarding JBC's wounds. (In truth, most CT'ers prefer to chase ideologically informed narratives that comfortably explain the JFKA in its entirety, not hard facts).

I lean to towards more than one shooter on 11/22. But given that no one has ever determined who LHO's confederates or manipulators were...who knows who they were.

I suspect a very small plot, possibly two Alpha 66'ers, or G2'ers.

Suspicions, like allegations and accusations, are not facts.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 12:02:59 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on December 05, 2025, 11:22:35 PM
You are not using photographic evidence. You are using your own head-turn interpretation theory.

The nearly simultaneous and rapid head turns of at least seven prime witnesses, including five in the limo, were captured in the Zapruder film between frames Z-140 and Z-150 whether or not you're willing to admit it.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 05, 2025, 11:55:59 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 05, 2025, 10:39:38 PM
The vessels inside Pearl Harbor suffered more than one "strike." Are you claiming those Pearl Harbor vessels were "shipwrecked"?

Comrade Storing,

Are you claiming that America's military should act the same way that the expansionist-and-militaristic Axis-member known as Japan did on December 7-8, 1941, and do so in this case not against capital warships, but against two survivors of a 45-minute-earlier strike who are standing on the top of their capsized 25-foot boat several hundred miles from American territory and waving their arms at our drone or helicopter as though they're surrendering?

Is that what you're claiming?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Jim Chaney and the first shot timing
« Last post by Charles Collins on December 05, 2025, 11:31:06 PM »
Quote from: Jack Nessan on December 05, 2025, 09:08:16 PM
DPD Jim Chaney, ABC's Bill Lord 11/22/63 (youtube.com)

Can you point out where he mentions a third shot. 

(11-22-63 interview with Bill Lord on WFAA television, apparently in the early evening) “I was riding on the right rear fender... We had proceeded west on Elm Street at approximately 15-20 miles an hour. We heard the first shot. I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring and uh I looked back over to my left and also President Kennedy looked back over his left shoulder. Then, the, uh, second shot came, well, then I looked back just in time to see the President struck in the face by the second bullet.

A plethora of Ear witnesses not Eye witnesses.

 Not a valid youtube URL[/url]



This is a snip from the description provided by the YouTube poster HelmerReenberg:

Chaney said when he heard the first shot he remembered that it sounded like a motorcycle backfiring and Chaney immediately looked to his left and saw President Kennedy had "looked back over his left shoulder" within the limousine. In the famous Ike Altgens photo taken concurrent with Zapruder film frame 255, Chaney is seen very close to the limousine facing President Kennedy. Chaney further stated that "the second shot hit him in the face," and that a third shot was fired that Chaney did not see hit the president but he did see Governor John B. Connally's shirt erupt in blood.[/u] Chaney stated that the shots he remembered hearing seemed to come from "back over my right shoulder." During the assassination his police uniform was spattered with blood and President Kennedy's head matter.

I don’t see Chaney saying that (bolded and underlined part) in this video though. I would assume he must have made that statement at another time and place. That would be a good question to present to Helmer.

As far as JFK being hit in the face, he wasn’t. JFK was hit in the back of the neck and it exited his throat. Then another shot hit JFK in the back of the head and exited on the upper right side of his head. His face was never hit. If you view JFK in the Altgens photo, he appears to have his hands up around his face at about the level of his mouth. We can also see Chaney looking directly at JFK in the Altgens photo. I can imagine Chaney seeing JFK obviously hit and his hands up near his face at that point and assuming that JFK was hit in the face. Just my two cents worth….
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 05, 2025, 11:22:35 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on December 05, 2025, 07:36:37 PM
Read my lips:

Except for those few (like Connally) who said they recognized the first sound as a rifle shot, it doesn't matter what John B. Connally or any other startled-and-traumatized (and wounded in his case!) "witnesses" said about the timing of the three shots that were fired in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza and/or what they said about their reactions to said shots.

Go with the photographic, ballistics, and medical evidence, instead.
You are not using photographic evidence. You are using your own head-turn interpretation theory. That is not science. And neither ballistics nor medical evidence establishes an early missed shot. What are you talking about?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 05, 2025, 11:12:00 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 05, 2025, 11:04:34 PM
Non-Responsive. You claimed a "shipwreck". You need to stop repeating talking points. The people you mimic are Not intelligent.

How about the German submarine captain who intentionally killed the survivors of a sunk-or-sinking Greek freighter he'd torpedoed?

Do you think he was unjustly executed for killing them?

-- Tom
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