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I am at a loss because the research community is geared towards dishonesty and hiding of evidence...

Sandy Larsen decided to delete his excellent photo analysis of Lovelady's plaid pattern because I told him it proved the timing of when Frazier was talking to Stanton...Larsen took one look at Couch/Darnell and realized Frazier was talking to Prayer Man at that moment and that he had refuted himself...So instead of admitting I was correct Larsen took the low route and deleted his analysis of Lovelady's plaid pattern...

This is the research community Iler now enforces and no one said a word when Larsen deleted his own proof...

   This ain't the Ed. Forum. You consistently "name drop" people most of us here have No Idea who you are talking about. Just admit all you got is diddly squat.
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Since I don't know why and your question forces me to guess, I doubt they gave much thought to having their fraudulent recording scrutinized so closely. I don't know how long it was widely known that the recording wasn't genuine. As for as I know, it still isn't widely known to be a recreation. I would wager most people, having heard it so many times, still think it is genuine. I'm not sure when I learned it wasn't, but I think it was within the past 10 years, probably less.

People might not think it is a big deal to have manufactured the recording and presented it as if it were the real deal, such practices open the door to fake news. This was demonstrated by Duncan when he posted what was supposedly an undercover recording of someone talking about a plot to kill JFK a week earlier in Miami, when in fact it is a recording made of actors reading from a script. There's no way that can be considered evidence of an earlier plot to kill JFK. There is a reason there is a strict code of journalism ethics that says news organizations don't create or stage events. It opens the door to all sorts of chicanery. Even something as seemingly innocent as Cokie Roberts doing a supposed on sight report while wearing an overcoat in front of a picture of the Capitol crosses that line. In recent decades, news organizations have seemed more than willing to cross that line to push an agenda.

    When they put stuff like this together, they do Not just arbitrarily chose a 16 second gap. There's some sort of basis for using the "16" seconds.
    With respect to JFK assassination plots, the Chicago, and Florida planned assassinations are documented. And those involved a tall building. 
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Zapruder showed the film to the media for bidding on Monday morning.

Here is Rather: "Recalling his walk to Passman & Jones [Zapruder's lawers] on Monday morning, he wrote: "All sorts of crude ideas rushed through my mind. What if he gave it to NBC? What if he sold it to someone else?… For a moment I thought, if I have to, I’ll just knock him down and grab the film, run back to the station, show it one time and then let him sue us."

Rather again: "The lawyer laid out the ground rules for us: He had set up a projector in a private room. You went in, looked at the film one time, took no notes, came out and gave him your bid. I was already saying to myself, the bid comes second. The first thing I am going to do is look at the film, then knock the hinges off the door getting back to the station and describe what I had just seen. Then, and only then, would we get into the bidding."

And a correction: The film was shown in a private office located at the law firm of Zapruder's lawyer and NOT at Zapruder's business office.


       I give you the gold standard Trask and Stolley. Yet, you insist on sticking with Dan Rather? This in the face of Rather being rewarded with Cronkite's CBS News Anchor chair? Which is right in line with the Current News Media now admitting to promoting Phony Polling? What's it take to open your eyes?   
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   Yeah, sure it's Bogus. Nothing new there. But why was the "16" seconds gap chosen?

Since I don't know why and your question forces me to guess, I doubt they gave much thought to having their fraudulent recording scrutinized so closely. I don't know how long it was widely known that the recording wasn't genuine. As for as I know, it still isn't widely known to be a recreation. I would wager most people, having heard it so many times, still think it is genuine. I'm not sure when I learned it wasn't, but I think it was within the past 10 years, probably less.

People might not think it is a big deal to have manufactured the recording and presented it as if it were the real deal, such practices open the door to fake news. This was demonstrated by Duncan when he posted what was supposedly an undercover recording of someone talking about a plot to kill JFK a week earlier in Miami, when in fact it is a recording made of actors reading from a script. There's no way that can be considered evidence of an earlier plot to kill JFK. There is a reason there is a strict code of journalism ethics that says news organizations don't create or stage events. It opens the door to all sorts of chicanery. Even something as seemingly innocent as Cokie Roberts doing a supposed on sight report while wearing an overcoat in front of a picture of the Capitol crosses that line. In recent decades, news organizations have seemed more than willing to cross that line to push an agenda.
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Zapruder showed the film to the media for bidding on Monday morning.

Here is Rather: "Recalling his walk to Passman & Jones [Zapruder's lawers] on Monday morning, he wrote: "All sorts of crude ideas rushed through my mind. What if he gave it to NBC? What if he sold it to someone else?… For a moment I thought, if I have to, I’ll just knock him down and grab the film, run back to the station, show it one time and then let him sue us."

Rather again: "The lawyer laid out the ground rules for us: He had set up a projector in a private room. You went in, looked at the film one time, took no notes, came out and gave him your bid. I was already saying to myself, the bid comes second. The first thing I am going to do is look at the film, then knock the hinges off the door getting back to the station and describe what I had just seen. Then, and only then, would we get into the bidding."

And a correction: The film was shown in a private office located at the law firm of Zapruder's lawyer and NOT at Zapruder's business office.
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The image above is the opening frame of Jimmy Darnell's footage of the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.
I would like to determine, to the second if possible, how long after the headshot this footage started.
One thing that should be visible in this footage is Dave Weigman getting out of the car in front and sprinting towards the concrete pergola on the GK.
The only thing that catches my eye at the moment is a detail off in the distance.

In the crop below, in the red circle are Umbrella Man and Dark Complected Man sat down.
In the yellow circle is the Newman's lying flat on the grass. The reason this is important is that there are no photographers stood around them. This is something that seemed to happen really quickly and it might be possible to use this detail for a timeline:


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    BUMP
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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Gloria Calvery and her dressed-in-white colleague are already standing in a lower step, one of their other colleagues has already taken the long way to the TSBD by running through the pergola and down Elm Street Extension, and Officer Baker has already parked his bike, glanced around, listened to his radio, and run to the front steps by the time Darnell's so-called "opening frame" was shot.

-- Tom

      It is AFTER the opening frame below that shows the driver of Camera Car #2 standing outside of the car, that we THEN see Officer Baker running across the Island toward the TSBD. Yet, here you are claiming that Officer Baker has already, "run to the front steps" at the time of this opening frame. Or, are you claiming that the DPD Cop we see running across the Island is Not Officer Baker?
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Out of morbid curiosity I went over to the Education Forum in light of Brian Doyle's admission that he believes there were secret doppelgangers of both Lee and Marguerite Oswald. Thankfully, that forum can still one up any kind of crazy with posts like this, in which someone named Pamela Brown claims that "Bob Dylan and his cohorts are trying to hunt me down, and, fortunately, failing. Yes, I think my phone is monitored, and possibly my computer. His Dylinquents (as I call them) crawl out of the woodwork to.create trouble.This includes being caused bodily harm. But this isn't only about JFK research, it is also due to the fact that I am able to unmask him, and I may be the only one who can...

For those of you who have followed Dylan throughout the years, I am the Nightingale he hinted at in the early version of VOY, and has mentioned in other songs such as Changing of the Guard and Jokerman..."

I mean, just.... wow. Seriously.

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32227-jfk-assassination-researchers-have-you-ever-been-spied-on-wiretapped-or-harassed-by-the-american-government-in-your-years-of-jfk-research/page/2/#comments
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Rather admitted that his account of what he saw was wrong, that he had given a rushed description. He said he saw the film once - Zapruder projected it onto the back wall of his office - and rushed out with no notes to broadcast what he saw. And it wasn't a copy of the film; it was the original.

Here is Rather in his memoirs: "The lawyer [Sam Passman, Zapruder's lawyer] laid out the ground rules for us: He had set up a projector in a private room. You went in, looked at the film one time, took no notes, came out and gave him your bid. I was already saying to myself, the bid comes second. The first thing I am going to do is look at the film, then knock the hinges off the door getting back to the station and describe what I had just seen. Then, and only then, would we get into the bidding."

And this (from Alexandra Zapruder's book):  For his part, Rather defends his misrepresentation of what was on the film not by acknowledging that it was irresponsible to give an account after having seen it only once, but as follows: “At the risk of sounding too defensive, I challenge anyone to watch for the first time a twenty-two-second film [sic] of devastating impact, run several blocks, then describe what they had seen in its entirety, without notes. Perhaps someone can do so better than I did that day. I only know that I did it as well and as honestly as I could under the conditions."

Of course none of this matters. The same folks will repeat the same groundless claims and then demand their claims be proven wrong. When they are, they will ignore it and then repeat the claim. More than 60 years of this.

    Waiting on You to respond.  You quote Alexandra Zapruder and I quote Richard Trask. That's not a mismatch, it's a total blowout.
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I am at a loss because the research community is geared towards dishonesty and hiding of evidence...

Sandy Larsen decided to delete his excellent photo analysis of Lovelady's plaid pattern because I told him it proved the timing of when Frazier was talking to Stanton...Larsen took one look at Couch/Darnell and realized Frazier was talking to Prayer Man at that moment and that he had refuted himself...So instead of admitting I was correct Larsen took the low route and deleted his analysis of Lovelady's plaid pattern...

This is the research community Iler now enforces and no one said a word when Larsen deleted his own proof...
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