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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:09:47 AM »
I like to watch MSNBC's "Dateline: Washington," Ari Melber, and "Morning Joe." I also read stories / news items that look interesting to me on the Internet as presented by Microsoft (I think) when I click the weather icon in the lower-left corner of my Windows 11 screen.

Questions:

Do you have a problem with any of those people?
No. I have a problem with all of them, at least the ones whose names I recognize. Most of them are extreme leftists and the rest are turncoat Never-Trump Republicans. MSNOW wouldn't hire anybody who didn't fit one of those two categories (The haven't been MSNBC for quite a few month). One of the most despicable people you've listed is John Brennan, a total scumbag. He showed his true colors when he cosigned a letter claiming the Hunter Biden laptop had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation. They all knew that was a damn lie, yet they signed it anyway because they were so desperate to deny Trump a second term and instead install a demented old geezer who they knew they could manipulate to doing whatever they wanted. It actually worked but the joke was on them. All they did was delay the second Trump term by four years. If not for their deceitful act, the Trump presidency would have ended almost 14 months ago. Instead, they have almost three more years of Trump in the White House to look forward to. The irony is delicious. I feel their pain and I am deriving way too much fiendish pleasure from it.

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Are you a Libertarian? (Libertarians are the worst.)

Yes, I am. Thank you for asking. But that's not why I support Trump. He is not an idealogue. He is a pragmatist. He doesn't look at problems from a left or right point of view. He decides how best to fix them. He's pretty good at it, too.

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Do you support The Heritage Foundation and its authoritarian 2025 Project?

I know very little about Project 2025 and what I do know about it, I support some of it and oppose others. I think Trump feels the same way about it.
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TG--

I work quickly.

You could read two pages a day -- unless, of course, it would cause you too much cognitive-dissonance agony.
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I work quickly.
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BB-

Though we have different views on parts of the JFKA, I have always liked your work, and respected your views.

Different people come to different conclusions...so what?

Evidently the anti-Semitic crackpot William Niederhut has banned you from the dis-Education Forum, and who knows how many others, for having different views.

Ironically, Niederhut posts his mendacious-hyperbole theories here, and is allowed to do so by the moderators. That is OK, censorship is bad.

Niederhut, even when shown by example...cannot see past his own thick and wide blinders.

I hope you post here often. Maybe I disagree with you. Big deal. I like to see all viewpoints.

Add on: It is inexplicable that John Simkin has allowed WN to run-ruin the dis-Education Forum. I assume Simkin is deep into his senescence. It will happen to us all.

Or maybe 60+ years in the JFKA snipe hunt has addled Simkin.

Thanks Ben.  I appreciate your kind words, buddy.

As for Niederhut, he's a clown and isn't worth discussing. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on March 29, 2026, 10:40:25 PM »
I always get a chuckle from these so called fact checkers because they almost always reveal their own biases.

As the report shows, Fox reporters are "generally fact-based and accurate". Then they go on to say they are "overshadowed by propagandist opinions". As if MSNOW or CNN don't spew their own propagandist opinions 24/7. So do the broadcast networks although just a little less blatantly. I wouldn't even give MSNOW the benefit of any fact-based and accurate reporting. It's all propagandist reporting and it is over the top. CNN makes a token effort at actual reporting but it's largely a left wing echo chamber.

I gave you the opportunity to reveal your sources and you declined so I'll take a stab at it. My guess is you lean heavily on MSNOW and CNN. If you're into print media, I'll bet you think the New York Times and Washington Post are unbiased news organizations. If I am wrong, then tell us who you do trust to keep you informed.

I like to watch MSNBC's "Dateline: Washington," Ari Melber, and "Morning Joe." I also read stories / news items that look interesting to me on the Internet as presented by Microsoft (I think) when I click the weather icon in the lower-left corner of my Windows 11 screen.

I prefer Alicia Melindez to occasionally hyperbolic Nicolle Wallace on the former, and I wish Joe Scarborough wouldn't interrupt his wife, Mika, so much on the latter.

Regardless . . .

ME: Please name three people in each category, if you can, whom Nicolle Wallace tends to interview regarding 1) War-in-Ukraine matters, 2) War-in-Iran matters, 3) Middle East matters, 4) economic matters, 5) immigration matters, 6) legal matters, 7) the Epstein files, 8 ) free speech matters.

GROK: Here are three people Nicolle Wallace (host of MSNBC's Deadline: White House) tends to feature or has recently interviewed as recurring or topic-specific experts/panelists, based on episode descriptions, clips, and appearances. These are drawn from her show's patterns, where she often turns to a core group of MSNBC contributors, former officials, journalists, and analysts (many anti-Trump or critical of current events). Note that some overlap across categories due to intersecting topics like foreign policy; "tends to" reflects frequent or notable appearances rather than exhaustive lists, and guest rosters can vary.

War-in-Ukraine matters Michael McFaul (former U.S. Ambassador to Russia) – frequent for analysis of Russia-Ukraine dynamics and U.S. policy.

Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling (retired U.S. Army) – military/leadership expert often discussing strategy and Trump-era shifts.

Anne Applebaum (The Atlantic columnist) – foreign policy voice on authoritarianism, Russia, and Ukraine.

War-in-Iran matters (context: ongoing 2026 U.S./allied conflict with Iran under Trump administration discussions):  Anne Applebaum – regularly appears on Iran war episodes for broader geopolitical analysis.

John Brennan (former CIA Director) – national security/intelligence perspective on the conflict.

Mark Mazzetti (New York Times investigative correspondent) – reporting on Middle East/Iran strikes, evacuations, and U.S. policy.

Middle East matters (overlaps significantly with Iran coverage):  Anne Applebaum – consistent on regional fallout, strategy, and U.S. involvement.

Mark Mazzetti – for on-the-ground/diplomatic reporting tied to Iran and broader region.

John Brennan – intelligence lens on threats, strikes, and alliances.

Economic matters Justin Wolfers (University of Michigan economist/professor) – frequent for explaining tariffs, markets, stagflation, and Trump policies.

Steve Liesman (CNBC senior economics reporter) – updates on Fed, markets, and economic indicators.

Ryan Petersen (Flexport CEO) – business/supply-chain impact of trade wars and policy chaos.

Immigration matters Dara Lind (American Immigration Council senior fellow) – expert on mass deportation, ICE tactics, and border policy.

Jasmine Garsd – appears on panels discussing ICE enforcement and immigrant treatment.

Michele Norris (MSNBC senior contributing editor) – covers public backlash, protests, and street-level impacts of enforcement.

Legal matters  Andrew Weissmann (former Mueller prosecutor/MSNBC contributor) – very frequent for Trump cases, investigations, and prosecutorial analysis.

Harry Litman (former U.S. Attorney/MSNBC contributor) – regular legal panelist on rule-of-law and court issues.

Mary McCord (former acting Assistant Attorney General) – joins on high-profile legal cases and national security law.

The Epstein files: Julie K. Brown (Miami Herald investigative reporter) – the journalist who originally broke major Epstein stories; Wallace has interviewed her on the files and survivor accounts.

Lisa Rubin (MSNBC senior legal reporter) – covers DOJ handling, redactions, and withheld documents.

Danielle Bensky (Epstein survivor) – direct interviews on the files' release, government handling, and survivor impacts.

Free speech matters (often tied to media pressure, FCC, or censorship claims):  Oliver Darcy (media newsletter author, Status) – discusses FCC threats, network capitulation, and press freedom.

David Frum (The Atlantic staff writer) – appears on panels about media intimidation and free press issues.

Tom Nichols (The Atlantic) – broader commentary on media, public discourse, and related threats (frequent Wallace guest).

Wallace's show often features a mix of these experts alongside regulars like Claire McCaskill, Charlie Sykes, David Jolly, or Al Sharpton for context. Guest selection aligns with her focus on accountability, foreign policy critique, and legal/political analysis. For the most current episodes, check MSNBC or the Deadline: White House podcast.

ME: What about political matters?

GROK: For political matters on Nicolle Wallace's Deadline: White House (and her related podcast The Best People), she frequently features a mix of former Republican strategists turned critics, Democratic strategists/analysts, former elected officials, journalists, and academics for broad commentary on elections, Trump administration dynamics, party politics, democracy threats, and daily Washington developments.

Here are three recurring or frequently appearing voices in this broad category (with some overlap from other topics due to the interconnected nature of her show):

Charlie Sykes (conservative commentator, MSNBC contributor, former talk radio host) — A staple panelist for sharp political analysis, often critiquing the GOP, Trump-era politics, and conservative media. He appears regularly across episodes.

David Jolly (former Republican Congressman from Florida, MSNBC contributor) — Frequently joins for insider Republican perspective, discussions on party shifts, congressional politics, and anti-Trump viewpoints.

Claire McCaskill (former Democratic Senator from Missouri, MSNBC contributor) — Regular for political strategy, Senate/House dynamics, election analysis, and Democratic Party insights.

Other common political voices she turns to include:

Tim Miller (Republican strategist/podcaster with The Bulwark) — Often for GOP insider takes on Trump, party fractures, and campaign strategy.

Tom Nichols (The Atlantic staff writer) — For broader political/cultural commentary on democracy, authoritarianism, and public discourse.

Eddie Glaude (Princeton professor) — Joins for discussions on political morality, public opinion, and the state of American democracy.

Wallace's panels on political matters often blend these voices with others like Al Sharpton (for progressive angles), Basil Smikle (Democratic strategist), or journalists such as Jacob Soboroff and Molly Jong-Fast for real-time reaction to news. The show emphasizes accountability, rule-of-law themes, and critiques of power, so guests tend to align with that framing. Guest lists evolve with current events (e.g., elections, shutdowns, or policy fights).

If you'd like more details on a specific sub-topic within politics (e.g., elections, Congress, or Trump-specific), or expansions on any name, let me know! For the absolute latest episodes, checking recent Deadline: White House clips or the podcast is best, as lineups shift daily.

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Questions:

Do you have a problem with any of those people?

Are you a Libertarian? (Libertarians are the worst.)

Do you support The Heritage Foundation and its authoritarian 2025 Project?




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This seems to be a better enhancement... He comes right out of the shadows...




Do you have any idea how comical that is?
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This seems to be a better enhancement... He comes right out of the shadows...


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on March 29, 2026, 09:33:43 PM »
The only thing worse than Fox News is OANN, Newsmax, and RT.

From the Media Bias Fact Check website:

Overall, we rate Fox News right-biased based on editorial positions that align with the right and Questionable due to the promotion of state propaganda, conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and numerous false claims and failed fact checks. While straight news reporting from beat reporters is generally fact-based and accurate, it is typically overshadowed by propagandistic opinions, which earns them a Low factual rating.


I always get a chuckle from these so called fact checkers because they almost always reveal their own biases.

As the report shows, Fox reporters are "generally fact-based and accurate". Then they go on to say they are "overshadowed by propagandist opinions". As if MSNOW or CNN don't spew their own propagandist opinions 24/7. So do the broadcast networks although just a little less blatantly. I wouldn't even give MSNOW the benefit of any fact-based and accurate reporting. It's all propagandist reporting and it is over the top. CNN makes a token effort at actual reporting but it's largely a left wing echo chamber.

I gave you the opportunity to reveal your sources and you declined so I'll take a stab at it. My guess is you lean heavily on MSNOW and CNN. If you're into print media, I'll bet you think the New York Times and Washington Post are unbiased news organizations. If I am wrong, then tell us who you do trust to keep you informed.
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TG

Yeah, too complicated.

I still hold down a couple jobs, not a long time for lengthy diversions...

Except for all the time you spend here at Duncan's forum.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on March 29, 2026, 08:58:46 PM »
My home page gives me a wide variety of sources across the political spectrum. I don't read any print media on a regular basis because I think print media is obsolete. I'm surprised it has hung on this long.

I do watch Fox more than the other cable news stations but I will check out the others including MSNOW and CNN. MSNOW is bad for my blood pressure because I can rarely watch it for more than a few minutes before I want to reach through my TV screen and choke the life out of whatever talking head is spewing the far left crap. CNN is almost tolerable and I'm hoping with the new ownership they will move a bit more to the center but so far they are clearly still slanted to the left. I don't have much faith in any of the broadcast network news. I have tried to watch the new anchors on CBS and NBC with an open mind but so far I have seen little change in their bias. I'm hoping it is just a matter of time before Bari Weiss shakes things up at CBS and makes them a bit more fair in their reporting, but so far, they still have way too much of the old guard on their staff for there to be any meaningful changes. It didn't take me long to figure out Tom Llamas at NBC is more of the same old crap NBC has been spewing for decades.

Now I've told you about my news consumption habits. How about telling me about yours. I think i could take a pretty good guess, but I'll hold off on that for now.

The only thing worse than Fox News is OANN, Newsmax, and RT.

From the Media Bias Fact Check website:

Overall, we rate Fox News right-biased based on editorial positions that align with the right and Questionable due to the promotion of state propaganda, conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and numerous false claims and failed fact checks. While straight news reporting from beat reporters is generally fact-based and accurate, it is typically overshadowed by propagandistic opinions, which earns them a Low factual rating.

Detailed Report

Questionable Reasoning: Conspiracy Theories, Pseudoscience, State Propaganda, Poor Sources, Numerous Failed Fact Checks

Bias Rating: RIGHT (8.0)

Factual Reporting: LOW (7.6)

Country: USA

MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE

Media Type: TV Station/Website

Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic

MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History

Fox News is an American basic cable and satellite news channel founded in 1996 by Rupert Murdoch. The Fox Entertainment Group, a subsidiary of 21st Century Fox, owns Fox News. FNC is available in 90+ million homes and operates the Fox Business Network and Fox News Radio. They also own the National Geographic Channel and broadcasts from New York, NY.
 
Roger Ailes was the founding CEO. Roger Ailes resigned in 2016 after many accusations of sexual harassment. Jay Wallace became president of the network, and Suzanne Scott, the CEO of FNC, as of May 2018. She will report to Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan Murdoch. Lachlan Murdoch is the executive chairman and co-chairman of News Corp and 21st Century Fox (FOXA).
 
In October 2018, Fox News added to their terms of use, “Company furnishes the Company Sites and the Company Services for your personal enjoyment and entertainment.” This has led some to declare that Fox News is now an entertainment company and does not have to uphold journalistic standards. This is not true.

On 6/13/2020, Fox News ran digital coverages in coverage of Seattle’s protests, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.

On 12/12/2021 – 18-year, veteran journalist Chris Wallace resigned from Fox News and joined CNN.

On 12/13/2021, it was reported that on January 6th, 2021, several Fox TV personalities texted Trump’s Chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to encourage Trump to stop the Capitol Riot, which contradicted their reporting later that evening that Antifa was involved in a false flag operation.

In 2022, Fox News was sued for Defamation by Dominion Voting Systems for 1.6 billion dollars due to alleged false claims and conspiracy theories related to the company's voting machines in the 2020 presidential election. According to the lawsuit’s court docket, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Jeannine Pirro, and former Fox Business host Lou Dobbs will be deposed.

On 04/18/2023, Fox News settled a defamation lawsuit for $787 million where they were accused of promoting false claims and conspiracy theories against Dominion Voting Systems during the 2020 elections. A statement by Fox reads as follows:

“We are pleased to have reached a settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems,” the network said Tuesday in a statement. “We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards. We are hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute with Dominion amicably, instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues.”

On 4/24/2023, Tucker Carlson, the top-rated prime-time news host, left Fox News for undisclosed reasons.

Finally, under the second Trump administration, Fox News has increasingly been described as operating less like an independent news outlet and more like a state propaganda network. Multiple analyses have noted a feedback loop in which Fox shapes Trump’s rhetoric while simultaneously amplifying his agenda, creating near-synchrony between the White House and the network’s coverage. Reports also highlight the revolving door between Fox personnel and Trump officials, further blurring the line between journalism and political messaging. Critics argue this alignment has effectively turned Fox into a platform that prioritizes advancing administration narratives over independent reporting.

Funded by / Ownership

Rupert Murdoch is the owner and a board member of News Corp 21st Century Fox. According to Reuters, James Murdoch (son) was chief executive of 21st Century Fox and left in May 2018. Lachlan (the other son of Murdoch) and Rupert Murdoch will serve as the new Fox co-chairman. Revenue analysis can be found at Investopedia, and income reports here. 

Analysis

According to a Pew Research Center survey, “Fox News was the main source for 40% of Trump voters” during the 2016 election. Further, another Pew Survey indicates, “When it comes to choosing a media source for political news, conservatives orient strongly around Fox News. Nearly half of consistent conservatives (47%) name it as their main source for government and political news.” Further, a Reuters Institute survey found that 35% of respondents trust their news coverage and 46% do not, ranking them #11 in trust among the major USA news providers.

Fox News typically looks at the issues from a conservative perspective. Also, it has several on-air personalities that are strong supporters of former President Trump, such as Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson (former), Laura Ingraham, and Dan Bongino (former); thus, during the Trump Presidency, FNC typically skewed conservative as there was less criticism of Trump.

Bias

In review, FNC publishes stories with emotionally loaded headlines such as Biden says ‘MAGA Republicans’ threaten democracy as he and Dems crank up anti-Trump rhetoric ahead of midterms and White House defends slamming half of America as ‘semi-fascist,’ ‘terrorists’ despite Biden’s unity pledge.

After the 2020 election, Fox News TV personalities advanced false and unproven conspiracy theories regarding election fraud Questions linger over the Left’s plot against Donald Trump. Numerous audits and studies reveal that election fraud during the 2020 election was average and had no impact on the election’s outcome. Further, as noted above, they promoted conspiracy theories related to Dominion Voting Machines.

TV personalities also advanced false claims and conspiracies on the following issues: No guns at the capitol riot (False), Trump authorized the National Guard for the Capitol Riot (No Evidence), FBI orchestrated insurrection (False), The USA funds Biolabs in Ukraine (False), Numerous instances of Covid-19 vaccine disinformation (False). Further, according to Politifact, FNC has also been deemed the least accurate cable news source.

Finally, Fox News also features fact-based news reporting by beat reporters and some daytime TV hosts. However, this credible news reporting is buried between TV programming promoting right-leaning propaganda and false claims. The website is similar, with credible news stories between hyper-partisan, questionable content from their nighttime TV hosts.

In general, Fox News’ beat reporters produce low-biased fact-based news; however, the reporting on their entertainment-based news programming frequently promotes propaganda and false claims that render Fox News Questionable. In short, Fox News is essentially the state’s official propaganda platform.

Failed Fact Checks

Says John Bolton “fundamentally was a man of the left.” – PANTS OF FIRE

“NASA scientists fudged the numbers to make 1998 the hottest year to overstate the extent of global warming.” – PANTS ON FIRE

Obamacare is “one big fat VA system.” – PANTS ON FIRE

Marie Yovanovitch is “dishonest” when she claimed she never personally responded to an email from a Democratic staffer. – FALSE

“Biden’s climate requirements” will “cut 90% of red meat from diet” to a “max 4 lbs per year” and “one burger per month.” – PANTS ON FIRE

“Black Lives Matter says it stands with Hamas terrorists in Israeli conflict.” – FALSE

Clinton campaign paid to ‘infiltrate’ Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia: Durham. – FALSE

Natural immunity protects better than vaccination; “the mortality risk of an un-boosted person under age 30 was zero”; cloth face masks, school closures had zero benefits for children and some harm – MOSTLY FALSE

What is the Bias of Fox News?

Overall, we rate Fox News right-biased based on editorial positions that align with the right and Questionable due to the promotion of state propaganda, conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and numerous false claims and failed fact checks. While straight news reporting from beat reporters is generally fact-based and accurate, it is typically overshadowed by propagandistic opinions, which earns them a Low factual rating. (7/19/2016)

Updated (M. Huitsing 09/26/2025)

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