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Who said KGB? ...and yes, Putin annexed a portion of Ukraine in 2014 and Obama put sanctions on Russia.
meanwhile....

 Thumb1: Trump's campaign manager with Russian connections pleaded guilty to;
One count of conspiracy against the United States, covering a hidden Ukrainian lobbying scheme, financial crimes, and foreign-agent registration violations.
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice involving witness tampering


Paul Manafort maintained direct contact with individuals tied to Russian intelligence while serving as chairman of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
Key findings from government investigations detail these connections:

Campaign Contacts and Polling Data Konstantin Kilimnik: Manafort repeatedly met and communicated during the 2016 campaign with Kilimnik, a business associate whom the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee and the FBI assessed to have direct ties to Russian intelligence.

Sharing Information: Manafort shared internal, sensitive campaign polling data and strategic updates with Kilimnik while running the Trump campaign, which investigators viewed as a major counterintelligence threat.

Ukraine Discussions: The two met in person in New York and discussed a pro-Russian "peace plan" for eastern Ukraine.

Official Findings Senate Report: A bipartisan U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report concluded that Manafort's high-level interactions with Kilimnik represented a "grave counterintelligence threat" that allowed Russian intelligence services an avenue to acquire confidential campaign information.
 :D

Zelenskyy does alright developing the latest drone technology and getting real assistance from the EU.
a well deserved nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

So when you claimed that "There was no Ukraine/Russia war under Obama" that was completely false.  And when Obama provided no weapons to Ukraine forcing them to capitulate, there is nothing to see there.  But when Trump provides a multitude of weapons systems to Ukraine that has allowed them to stalemate this conflict, he is an agent of Putin.  Do you understand how bizarre that line of "reasoning" is?  Your mind has been affected by TDS propaganda to believe up is down. 
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Still on the case, even if no one else cares because posts over 53 words are unreadable "books" to the intellectual giants here  :D :D :D ...

Amazingly enough, at one time the members of the Ed Forum included Dennis David, "Dangerous Dan" Marvin and Allan Eaglesham. Eaglesham was the premier on-the-ground, nuts-and-bolts researcher of the Pitzer matter. At one time, he was firmly in the "murder" camp. By the time of his postings at the Ed Forum in 2006, he had accepted the verdict of suicide. Alas, Eaglesham tended to respond with links to his website, which is no longer accessible.

Eaglesham had nothing negative to say about David (in contrast to what he had to say about Marvin) except that David's claim of Pitzer being left-handed had started the inquiry off on the wrong foot (is that a pun of some sort?). David's claim was a good-faith one - he had played cards with Pitzer on many occasions, and Pitzer always dealt with his left hand. (Hey, I am firmly RH but putt LH!). Anyway, it was just an error. I will post later as to why I find David at least arguably credible and not an obvious flake.

David posted only 6 times at the Ed Forum - he was 67 when he joined - and only a couple were about Pitzer. He said this about the supposed encounter in Pitzer's office:

In the film and the pictures I saw only the body was shown. It did show hands that moved the body but no picture showed faces, etc. Some of the surroundings were visible but quite honestly we paid little attention to that. The body and the wounds it had sustained were our focus. Bill only commented as to the location/magnitude of the wounds, that the temple wound appeared to be an entrance wound. I did wonder at the tracheotomy incision, considering the size and location of the exit wound in the parietal/occipital area. It seemed to me that the tracheotomy was an exercise in futility. Bill's demeanor, hard to say, I know we both got teary eyed. Magnitude of what we saw? We saw what we felt was a frontal entry wound in the right forehead with a large exit wound in the rear of the skull of a President we both admired and liked. How Bill felt when the Warren Report came out, I do not know. I felt disgusted and very, very angry but I was also afraid to say anything, and didn't until my talk with the Waukegan Sun reporter. Even then I would not allow my name to be made public.

Here also is a "Dennis David" thread started by Robin Unger in 2005 that has David's responses to questions, including a bit more detail as to what he supposedly saw: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/3622-dennis-david/.

The point of my original post, in case anyone didn't grasp it, was: EVEN IF Pitzer's death was a suicide, was it perhaps nevertheless JFKA-related? All the other discussions seemed to have the focus that if it was suicide there was nothing further to talk about.
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Another key fact that Humes withheld in his WC and HSCA testimony was that there were multiple drafts of the autopsy report. Humes claimed he burned the “rough first draft” because it had blood on it, but he said there was no substantive difference between the first draft and the final draft. This lie was exposed with the release of the transcript of the 1/27/64 WC executive session, which reveals that Rankin discussed two early drafts of the autopsy report, both of which said the back wound had no exit point.

For a detailed discussion on the drafts of the autopsy report, I would refer interested readers to Doug Horne’s 64-minute video presentation The Evolving JFK Autopsy Report..

As mentioned, the autopsy doctors were careful to conceal the fact that after the chest organs were removed, they were able to probe the back wound to its end point and could see that the wound path did not enter the chest cavity. Their later cover story was that the contracted back muscles prevented them from probing the back wound.

Only Boswell eventually abandoned this story, but he did not do so until his ARRB interview in 1996, when he said that initially the muscles prevented them from probing the back wound but that after they opened the chest, they were able to “get at” it and see that the bullet did not pierce the “lung cavity” but merely caused bleeding “outside the pleura” (the lining of the chest cavity).

In his HSCA interview, Boswell said that he and the other doctors thought the tracheotomy “was a wound.” The interviewer, Andy Purdy, added that Boswell “meant to convey the impression that that the doctors thought it was a bullet wound” (HSCA interview: J. Thornton Boswell, 8/17/77, p. 3).

Later in the interview, Boswell said he remembered “seeing part of the perimeter of a bullet wound in the anterior neck” (p. 8 ).

This brings up the crucial point that the bottom half of a round small bullet hole can be seen fairly easily in the bottom of the throat wound in autopsy photo F1. So, it is not a bit surprising that Boswell spotted this during the autopsy.

But, still later in the interview, perhaps realizing he had said too much, Boswell began to vacillate about knowledge of the throat wound during the autopsy and about when the autopsy doctors concluded that a bullet had fallen out of the back wound (which Boswell usually referred to as a “neck" wound). Toward the very end of the interview, Boswell said that “in the later courses of the autopsy” the doctors thought the tracheotomy “may have included the exit wound of a bullet” (p. 12).

Yet, we know that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for a bullet. The second draft said the throat wound was an exit point for a fragment from the head shot. Both drafts said the back wound had no exit point.

In a very revealing comment, Boswell said the doctors got themselves into trouble (“in dutch”) with the Secret Service over the "neck" (back) and throat wounds:

We had gotten ourselves in dutch with the neck and throat wounds with regard to the Secret Service” (p. 4).

For some reason, the interviewer did not ask Boswell to expand on this statement, and Boswell did not volunteer why they were in trouble with the Secret Service agents over the “neck” and throat wounds.

Boswell added that one of the Secret Service agents was “on the phone most of the time” during the autopsy (p. 4).

Boswell noted that during the autopsy, Dr. Robert Karnei “served in effect as the chief assistant of the autopsy doctors” and that Dr. Karnei assisted with the post-autopsy brain exam (pp. 5, 11).

In his ARRB interview, Boswell said the doctors concluded during the autopsy that the throat wound was the exit point for the back wound! He said their first impression of the throat wound was that it was just a tracheostomy but that after they found the back wound and after they opened the chest and saw blood outside the pleura “we had a track” (i.e., they inferred a track, not that they actually saw it):

Q. When you referred to the wound in the anterior neck, what was your first impression as to what that wound was?

A. I'm not sure what our first impression -- oh, we thought that they had done a tracheostomy, and whether or not that was a bullet wound, we weren't sure, initially. It was after we found an entrance wound and then the blood external to the pleura that we had a track, and that proved to be the exit wound; but it was so distorted by the incision, initially we just assumed it to be a tracheostomy.

Q. Did you reach the conclusion that there had been a transit wound through the neck during the course of the autopsy itself?

A. Oh, yes. (ARRB interview: J. Thornton Boswell, 2/26/96, p. 34)


In other words, Boswell claimed that the autopsy doctors deduced/inferred a back-to-throat track during the autopsy based on the bleeding outside the pleura. At no point did he ever claim they actually saw this alleged track. The only way they could have actually seen such a track would have been to dissect the wound, but they did no dissection because an Army general refused to let Finck dissect the wound, as Finck reluctantly admitted under cross-examination at the Clay Shaw trial. 

So we see that on two occasions Boswell contradicted Humes’s tale that they were unaware of the throat wound until the following morning.

A major problem with Boswell’s statements about the back-to-throat conclusion being reached during the autopsy is that they are contradicted by the first two drafts of the autopsy report, by Dr. Karnei’s statements, by Dr. Ebersole’s statements, by med-tech Jenkins’ statements, by FBI agent O’Neill’s statements, by FBI agent Sibert’s statements, and by the Sibert and O’Neill report on the autopsy, not to mention by Humes’s WC and HSCA testimony.

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A fake Ripley's affidavit?  How so?

Oops, I forgot that playing dumb is also an option. Thanks for reminding me.
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Or present a fake "Ripley's believe it or not" affidavit and if that doesn't work, just say the witness was wrong and you know better.

Oh wait,,, there's another option. Just simply refuse to answer a question and run away in silence.

A fake Ripley's affidavit?  How so?
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Yes, I need to tell a few porky pies and when challenged on them, simply claim I saw proof in the Dallas Police city records.

Or present a fake "Ripley's believe it or not" affidavit and if that doesn't work, just say the witness was wrong and you know better.

Oh wait,,, there's another option. Just simply refuse to answer a question and run away in silence.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 06:05:48 AM »
And yet:

You choose to ignore 80% of the witnesses who reported a 3 shot pattern ie. those who put the last two closer together. And that 80% is corroborated by 100% of the witnesses who observed JFK’s reaction to the first shot and 100% of the witnesses whose evidence allows us to place the location of JFK at the time of the first shot ie. the time conflicts with an early first shot (before z186).

1) JFK's conscious reaction to the first, missing-everything, shot was too subtle for most people to notice. At Z-143, he quickly turned his head to his left and then turned his head to his right. Mary Woodward noticed it.

2) Why didn't everyone hear your beloved "shot pattern"? Funky acoustics?
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That might be a good topic...in the right thread.

It was you who brought up TDS.
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Dr. Gary Aguilar gives his view of two shots striking JFK on 11.22, including one shot from the GK.

Right up your alley!

Flash-bang in the bushes!

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