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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:38:59 PM »

I'd like to apply for re-admission...I sent requests to Simkin in various places he posts but he didn't respond...

Right now I don't have access to my e-maill address because AOL heightened security and will only send a confirmation code to my hurricane-destroyed house that is no longer there...I am working on it...AOL takes itself way too seriously and needs a court order for me to get my own e-mail address back...

The moderator team is like a star chamber where they know what the clique wants and enforce it...
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if i had 360 dollars  + shipping plus taxes plus scanning costs i would buy that DCA print on ebay and scan it at Reel Revival but apparently i don't have money for that

why wouldn’t 6th floor museum buy this?  isn’t this what they do, bring the coals back to Newcastle? hey make an offer of 50 bucks, can you afford that?  truth bucks?
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Humes never said anything about receiving a bullet with the bone fragments and Young never said he saw a bullet so where is the evidence a bullet was received at Bethesda

Lame excuses every time you post and fall flat on your face (again).
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md69/pages/md69_0001a.gif

22 November 1963

From: Francis X. O’Neill, Jr., Agent FBI
James W. Sibert, Agent, FBI
To: Captain J.H. Stover, Jr., Commanding Officer, U.S. Naval Medical School, National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, Maryland.

1. We hereby acknowledge receipt of a missile [sic] removed by Commander James J. Humes, MC, USN on this date.

(signed)
Francis X. O’Neill, Jr.
(signed)
James W. Sibert




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I went to the Navy's website to find the original article and this is what it had to say:

"They picked up the bullet off of the floor in the back of the car. Well, I
decided that this is something, you know, the third bullet has never been decided
about ever, apparently. So what I did was I decided there was only person still alive
from the original Warren Commission. I went through the entire Warren
Commission book. I've got the whole report of the Warren Commission as a matter
of fact. I went through the whole thing and there was nothing in it.

Now, at that particular time nobody said anything about this. And I know
what we did. We brought that in, I mean Chief Martinell and Chief Mills went to the
White House, went to the Queen Mary, got the stuff off of the floor in the back seat,
brought it back out to us and we gave that to Commander Humes at the time.

I don't know what happened to it, so I decided that what I would do is I
would write to President Ford, which I did. I wrote to President Ford and asked
him, this was this past summer. I asked him about, you know, did he know anything
about this particular bullet that was given to the autopsy surgeons and he wrote me

back a very nice letter, said, "No, he didn't know anything about it, had not heard
anything about it ever." Well, at that point then I began to look around for other
issues and I found that Senator Arlen Specter had been an Assistant Counsel to the
Warren Commission. "

Young wasn't specific about who the "They" were in the opening sentence but it only makes sense that "They" were the Secret Service. The Navy NCOs were sent to retrieve the bone fragments, not search the limo. The fragments apparently were placed in an envelope which was later given to Humes.  Young might have simply assumed the envelope also contained the bullet found on the floor of the limo. Nothing I have read indicates Young actually saw a bullet. As I observed earlier that it would make no sense that the Secret Service would turn over a whole bullet to the Navy NCOs while retaining the fragmented bullet. The only thing that makes sense is that the bullet Young had heard about and the fragmented bullet the Secret Service found were one and the same and that Young simply assumed the bullet was in the envelope. Misunderstandings such as this are the source for so many of the myths surrounding the JFKA.

Humes never said anything about receiving a bullet with the bone fragments and Young never said he saw a bullet so where is the evidence a bullet was received at Bethesda
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Shooter behind the fence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:19:03 PM »
Just to follow up on Norman's estimation of the timespan of the shots. He didn't give one. In his testimony to the WC he said:

"And I don't remember saying I heard several seconds later. I merely told him that I heard three shots because I didn't have any idea what time it was."
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Head shot fragments hit JCs upheld wrist, AKA top of wrist. Nelly said she thought the third shot is the one that hit his wrist. Head fragment removes a possibility of slug shedding tiny fragments within the skull.

Is that the way it happened in your Bizzaro Universe.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:04:24 PM »
The Z-313 bullet fragmented into large pieces inside JFK's skull.

Those large bullet fragments exited his skull, and one of them struck the chrome strip.

D'oh!

Yup. One fragment hit the chrome strip. Another hit the inside of the windshield. Some fragments left the limo, probably over the top of the windshield.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:58:31 PM »
TS-

Yes, many "nosewitnesses" smelled gunsmoke in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, in the GK area, which was upwind from TSBD6.

Senator Yarborough said he smelled the gunpowder residue on Elm St. That doesn't give us a hint as to where that residue originated from.
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Another one of your blundering, frivolous replies. Did you even actually read the OP and/or any of the links therein?

If you had gathered up the courage and objectivity to read any of the links on Dr. Young's account, you would have learned that no one said the limo was driven to Bethesda. No one even implied this, and I certainly say no such thing in the OP.

The limo was in the White House garage, and the two senior Navy NCOs were sent to the garage to check the limo for evidence, especially skull fragments.

Oh my goodness.

First off, the 2013 article you are citing is a highly condensed version of the same article that I quote in the OP! The version you are citing consists of some excerpts from the full article. The excerpts were selected by a historian at the U.S. Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery's Office of Medical History, Andre Sobocinski. Did you not notice that the byline of the version you are citing explains that it was edited by Sobocinski? The full version of the 2013 article is 12 pages long, whereas the excerpted version you are citing is only three pages long.

Second, as I explain in the OP, the full 2013 article, titled “Navy Medicine and President Kennedy’s Autopsy: Recollections from a former White House Physician,” was based on an interview done with Dr. Young in 2001 by the Office of Medical History. You can find the full 2013 article here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Navy_Medicine_and_President_Kennedy%E2%80%99s_Autopsy-_Recollections_from_a_former_White_House_Physician_(IA_NMAndTheKennedyAssassination).pdf

Yeah, whoops, you have posted another embarrassing gaffe. Do you ever get tired of making an absolute fool of yourself?

Moving on from Corbett's latest blundering, I should make four follow-up points about Dr. Young's disclosure:

-- Dr. Young was the chief assistant of Dr. George Burkley, JFK's personal physician. Dr. Burkley was a Navy admiral at the time. Dr. Young was a Navy captain at the time. Before JFK's body arrived at Bethesda, Burkley contacted Young and told him to prepare for the autopsy.

The rank of captain in the Navy is a very high rank; it is equivalent to a full-bird colonel in the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps, or O-6. It is the rank immediately below admiral in the Navy.

-- Chiefs Thomas Mills and William Martinell were Dr. Young's assistants. Dr. Young was the one who ordered them to go to the White House garage to inspect JFK's limo.

-- Jan K. Herman, one of the two historians from the Office of Medical History who interviewed Dr. Young in 2001, contacted Chief Mills and asked him about Dr. Young's account. Chief Mills acknowledged the finding of the bullet and confirmed that Dr. Young later called him to verify his recollection.

-- Once Dr. Young realized that the misshapen bullet had not been addressed by the Warren Commission, he was reluctant to go public with his disclosure, which is why the 2001 interview was not published until 2013.

I don't doubt that you've found some  BS: stories about a bullet being found in the limo by a couple of Navy NCOs. I also don't doubt that you would be gullible enough to believe them. The internet is loaded with sensational stories such as this. They are the modern equivalent of supermarket tabloids. I'll bet you used to eat those up as well.

The story makes no sense. I can believe that Dr. Young would have sent the NCOs to the White House garage if the Secret Service had found bone fragments in the limo. That would be relevant to the autopsy. Why would the Secret Service turn over a bullet to those NCOs? Did they turn over the fragmented bullet they found in the limo? Of course they didn't. So why would they turn over a bullet?

What you have demonstrated here is your complete lack of critical thinking. If you find a story anywhere that supports your belief that JFK died as the result of a conspiracy, you will accept it at face value. You don't even care if those stories are compatible with one another.

All one has to do is look at your sources and see they are obscure websites. I've never heard of any of them.

Wikimedia Commons?

WhoWhatWhy.org? Now there's a pillar of American Journalism?

Assassination Archives and Research Center (AARC)? I'll bet they wanted people to think they were associated with ARRB. It wouldn't surprise me if you think they were.

Your post reminds me of a joke from a TV commercial from a couple decades ago.

"You can't put something on the internet that isn't true."

"Where did you hear that."

"On the internet."
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if i had 360 dollars  + shipping plus taxes plus scanning costs i would buy that DCA print on ebay and scan it at Reel Revival but apparently i don't have money for that
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