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Nellie was of such sound mind sh told us JFK clutched his throat. That never happened. Great witness. JBC had no way of knowing whether JFK had been hit by the first or second shot. He didn't turn all the way around until he had been seriously wounded. I don't care how sound minded he was, he didn't have eyes in the back of his head.

As for there being two seconds between the shot that hit JFK and the one that hit JBC, which one of them was running the stop watch?

The Z-film gives us a much better indication. It shows they both reacted to their wounds at the exact same instant. There were roughly two milliseconds between the time the bullet hit JFK's back and it entered JBC's back
I don't place any value on Brennan's ID of Oswald. I place value on him establishing the location of the shooter. The forensic evidence tells us that Oswald was the assassin, not any eyewitness.
Here is Z230. Clearly we see Kennedy has already been hit. The time he takes to raise his hands upwards towards the wound or how ever he was reacting will have taken perhaps half a second and by that time Connally has been hit yes?. We see John Connally looking straight forward and according to YOU at this exact instant he has a bullet hole in his back which shattered his fifth rib, exited his chest and shattered his radius bone in his right arm and finally lodged in his right thigh.
Are you trying to tell this forum that on this frame John Connally has been absolutely shot to pieces? How stupid do you think people are Mr Corbett?
i've been shot three times and I can assure you on this image JC HAS NOT BEEN SHOT.

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This is so ridiculous it's embarrassing. After carefully monitoring myself on my drive to Walmart this morning, I am forced to conclude that I reacted to at least 14 shots. My wife thinks it was 17, but she's kind of a Nellie Connally if you get my drift. Honestly, does it get any sillier or more pointless than this?

Who asked you, MGFPR?

(Macho Genius Fancy Pants Rants)
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     Based on the timeline of Office Baker above, Shelley/Lovelady have 35 seconds at this point to arrive at the TSBD 1st Floor Loading Dock. And, as the above still frame makes clear, Shelley/Lovelady are Not even moving toward the TSBD front door. PLus, the steps leading up to the landing/front door are Jammed Packed with people. Whenever they do start toward the TSBD front door, Shelley/Lovelady would Not be moving toward the front door in a straight line. Their advancing toward the front door would be obstructed. The same goes for their advancing through the TSBD Lobby. The 1 Minute Tick/Tock does Not permit Shelley/Lovelady to reach the freight elevator.  Adams claiming that it took her 1 Minute MAX to go from the window to the 1st floor, has to be wrong for her to see Shelley and Lovelady at the freight elevator.

Look at Truly's starting position.
Does it look like he's moving toward the TSBD front door?
How do you reconcile this?
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LP--

I enjoyed your post.

AI version: Burkley's lawyer contacted the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977 to assert that Burkley possessed information indicating a multi-person participation in the assassination, but formal testimony was never recorded

Seems like an oversight on the part of the HSCA, a body that usually did good work.

There are reasons to have reasonable doubts regarding the WC narrative of the JFKA, foremost that the operating instructions from President LBJ were to find nothing that might trigger a nuke war.

The HSCA, also not staffed by kooks, concluded there had been a JFKA comspiracy.

My two cents: Where the JFKA research community has gone wrong is in relying on ideology to frame narratives--that is the CIA, or powerful US plutocrats perped the JFKA. Lately, it has been Mossad.

But why was President LBJ so concerned? More likely that LHO had ties to Moscow and Havana. Those leads were snuffed out early.

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This from a 2025 medical blog:

When Kennedy took office in 1961, Burkley was already known, cleared, and trusted. The new President’s naval aide recommended him. He was steady, discreet, politically safe. Not a famous specialist who might seek headlines — but a career officer who knew how to keep things quiet.

At first, George Burkley bore the quiet title of Assistant Physician to the President, working in the shadow of Janet Travell, the trailblazing internist Kennedy had installed in 1961 as his personal doctor. For more than two years they operated side by side—Travell, the civilian pioneer, tending to Kennedy’s battered back with her unorthodox therapies; Burkley, the Navy admiral, steady and discreet, covering the daily grind of travel, emergencies, and official duties.

Behind the image lay a body under siege: Addison’s disease, a spine fused by surgery, chronic infections, and a pharmacy’s worth of steroids, narcotics, and stimulants. By 1961, Kennedy was taking more medication than most patients twice his age.

Burkley was no longer the quiet assistant. By 1963, he had become the indispensable physician at Kennedy’s side — the Navy doctor who tracked the cortisone, stimulants, and painkillers that kept the President moving. He carried emergency vials on every trip abroad, adjusted regimens when fatigue or pain broke through, and kept a meticulous eye on the balance of drugs.

Travell still held the title of personal physician in Washington, but her experimental therapies and complicated routines were increasingly sidelined. In the day-to-day life of the presidency, it was Burkley who stood guard over the fragile machinery of Kennedy’s health.



Lance, contrast the sanitizing in the 2025 blog post with the then contemporary reported details and the Navy' s instantaneous moves to preserve its eyes and ears
on the Democratic party President!

Burkley did not have access the new position of WH Navy Nurse, did!

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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19630725&id=guFNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=J4sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7264,2070008

July 25, 1963

....Burkley, who had been assistant White House Physician since Feb., 1, 1961, pri- marily was responsible for maintenance of the basement dispensary of the office wing of the White House. It was here that he treated all members of the White House staff. Burkley's increased responsiblities were accompanied with a promotion from the rank of captain to rear admiral....

The two Navy nurses were literally rushed in, in February, 1961.

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/14604-new-fpcc-article-please-critique/page/3/#comment-251859
CMDR CORNELIUS re- ported aboard the White House on Feb. 13, after the fastest move in her 13-year Navy career.

"I was stationed at the Women's Officers School in Newport (R I) and thought I'd be there until summer when I was expected to be or- dered abroad," says Cmdr. Cornelius, recalling how her assignment came about.

"On Friday -- that was Feb. 3 -- I had taken a group of WAVE students to the Sub- marine Base at New London, when the tour officer boarded the bus and gave me a note to call Washington.

"I called the Director of the Nurse Corps (Capt. Ruth Houghton) and was told that she couldn't tell any details, but for me to be in Washing- ton Monday morning.

....."When I was told what it (the assignment) was, I was really in a state -- a state of shock. But, I came over here (to the White House) and saw Dr. Travell and Dr. George Burkley (Navy Capt. George G Burkley, assistant to Dr. Travell) and it was all set- tled.

"I flew back to Newport, was packed and had my fur- niture out by Wednesday. That was the fastest move I've ever made."

(Nurse Cornelius did not stay long....)

Washington Post June 25, 1961

The Service Set - Page F8

By Winzola McLendon

...Here And There:

The pretty blonde Navy nurse who stood guard over President Kennedy, Thurs- day, when he was felled by a virus, is like her famous patient, from Mass. She's from Worchester, is a graduate of the Boston College School of Nursing. The "very efficient" Lt Elizabeth Chapowicki came to the White House a little over a month ago from the surgical wards of the Navy Hospital. She replaced Lt. Cmdr. Dolores Cornelius as Dr. Janet Travell's nurse-secretary when the Commander left to take graduate work at Catholic University....

  On 5/9/2012 at 2:56 AM, Tom Scully said:
Youngstown Vindicator - Jun 22, 1961

He Is being attended by a Navy nurse, Lt. Elizabeth Chapowiclci, ... They had . sought news conferences several times since the President continued


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https://books.google.com/books?id=Eq39UQDzJIgC&pg=PA292&dq=%22he+is+probably+the+only+president+to+have+IVs+in+the+white+house.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hByuT5LZDMi2tweRoemHCQ&ved=0CDkQuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=%22he%20is%20probably%20the%20only%20president%20to%20have%20IVs%20in%20the%20white%20house.%22&f=false

White House Studies Compendium: Volume 6 - Page 292
books.google.com Anthony J. Eksterowicz - 2007 - 447 pages - Google eBook - Preview

page 290-

...Jacobsen's intrusion became only on of Travell's many problems as she began her tenure as the president's personal physcian. Following the inauguration she occupied Dr. Snyder's three offices along the lengthy corridor opposite the president's elevator on the first floor of the White House. Travell saw the president nearly daily either in her office or at his private second-fllor residence. She relied on a small staff to care for others in the executive offices; they included Vice Admiral George Burkley of the U.S. Navy Medical Corps, the assistant White House physician, whose west-basement office was intentionally far removed from Travell's and the president's. It would be two months before Travell introduced him to Kennedy. Almost from the outset Travell and Burkley developed a dislike for each other because of personal and professional differences.

In addition to her staff, Travell depended on several consultants who left their private practice whenever Travell summoned them -
- ....
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JFK brought his own physician with him. She blocked Dr. Burkley from all access to JFK,

This from a 2025 medical blog:

When Kennedy took office in 1961, Burkley was already known, cleared, and trusted. The new President’s naval aide recommended him. He was steady, discreet, politically safe. Not a famous specialist who might seek headlines — but a career officer who knew how to keep things quiet.

At first, George Burkley bore the quiet title of Assistant Physician to the President, working in the shadow of Janet Travell, the trailblazing internist Kennedy had installed in 1961 as his personal doctor. For more than two years they operated side by side—Travell, the civilian pioneer, tending to Kennedy’s battered back with her unorthodox therapies; Burkley, the Navy admiral, steady and discreet, covering the daily grind of travel, emergencies, and official duties.

Behind the image lay a body under siege: Addison’s disease, a spine fused by surgery, chronic infections, and a pharmacy’s worth of steroids, narcotics, and stimulants. By 1961, Kennedy was taking more medication than most patients twice his age.

Burkley was no longer the quiet assistant. By 1963, he had become the indispensable physician at Kennedy’s side — the Navy doctor who tracked the cortisone, stimulants, and painkillers that kept the President moving. He carried emergency vials on every trip abroad, adjusted regimens when fatigue or pain broke through, and kept a meticulous eye on the balance of drugs.

Travell still held the title of personal physician in Washington, but her experimental therapies and complicated routines were increasingly sidelined. In the day-to-day life of the presidency, it was Burkley who stood guard over the fragile machinery of Kennedy’s health.
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Yeah, right, what would he know? What was I even thinking?  ::)

It's reasonably clear to me that he believed there were two shots to the head. My guess is, he knew the autopsy had been fudged to avoid that reality. My guess is, he was speaking in terms of "others participating" and "conspiracy" solely on the basis of the medical evidence.

EVERY - and I mean EVERY - indication is that Burkley was less likely to invent tall tales that just about anyone in the entire JFKA panoply. If he was willing to talk to the HSCA, he had something that he thought was significant.

The SBT and the autopsy are the Achilles heels of the LN narrative even if it's correct.

The SBT is really a Single Bullet Fact. It is the only way it could have happened. If you disagree, give us a plausible alternative. Good luck with that.

It was a boneheaded decision to have the autopsy performed by general pathologists who did most of their work on victims of cancer and heart disease. I don't know who made that decision. Had people just followed the same procedures for John Kennedy's autopsy that they would have for John Doe, we would have gotten a much better autopsy. There were plenty of forensic medical examiners in the DC area they could have chosen for the task. Unfortunately, we don't get a do-over for that mistake. Flawed as it was, the prosectors gathered sufficient information to allow the FPP to confirm their core findings that JFK was shot twice from above and behind and that the bullet that entered his back exited from his throat. Enough photos and x-rays were taken for them to unanimously agree with that.
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Burkley and his nurse, Elizabeth Chapowicki Shedlick shadowed the two Democratic party POTUS for the entire eight years of their combined terms.

Then came Nixon and Ford. Once a Democrat was again POTUS, guess who stepped in for a bird's eye view of the Carter presidency.

Guess who carried out that assignment? Burkley's nurse's sister, Rita, former secretary of William Harvey in Berlin.s

JFK brought his own physician with him. She blocked Dr. Burkley from all access to JFK,

The Navy's reaction :
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https://www.med.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2609203/ten-curious-facts-about-navy-medicines-presidential-history
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8. First Military Nurses in the White House?Although Navy nurses had accompanied presidents on their travels as far back as 1918, trained nurses were not an official part of the WHMU until 1950, albeit civilians. The first military nurses to serve in the WHMU were Navy nurses in the Kennedy Administration. ?Navy nurses Lt. Cmdr. Elizabeth Chapowicki, and Lt. Diane Lowther were among the first to hold this distinction.

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https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3859.msg152679.html#msg152679

I  found it noteworthy that between 1961 and 1980, whenever a Democrat occupied the White House, one of two Chrapowicki sisters (name changed to Chapowicki) was installed in a position to observe and obtain information possibly unavailable in any other way to the US Navy/Joint Chiefs in the example of the JFK/LBJ period, and to the IC and Republicans during the Carter presidency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1981/12/05/rita-merthan-dies/34af44f0-e18d-4c78-a298-28ead03e5a8c/
December 4, 1981
"Rita Regina Merthan, 50, the personal secretary to first lady Rosalynn Carter from 1977 to 1981 and a member of the board of the National Woman's Democratic Club, died Friday...
...Before joining Mrs. Carter's staff, she worked for the Central Intelligence Agency for 14 years and was an executive secretary there....
She is survived by her husband, Lawrence M. Merthan, and a daughter, Molly, both of Washington; her mother, Mary Chapowicki of Worcester; five sisters, Alice Chapowicki and Irene Paradis, both of Worcester, Lottie Dolan, of Orlando, Fla., Elizabeth Shedlick of Paris and Genevieve T. Giuffrida of Falls Church, and three brothers, Stanley, Edwin H. and Robert J. Chadwick, all of Worcester."..

Dr. Janet Travel would not permit Navy Captain George Burkley to treat President JFK, sooooo....

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/5509-william-king-harvey/page/3/#comment-251639
...
http://www.camplejeuneglobe.com/carolina_living/article_9bf3f5cb-1732-56e3-adb9-a96d5d98311a.html
"Navy Nurses Celebrate 100 Years of Dedicated Service

....In February 1961, Navy Nurses LTJG Elizabeth Chapowicki and LTJG Dolores Cornelius are assigned to the White House Medical Unit (WHMU). Although, Navy Nurses attended to the medical care of the president as far back as the Woodrow Wilson administration, these two nurses are the first military nurses to serve in the WHMU. They also assisted with Hurricane Relief that same year on the Texas coast following the hurricane”Carla” and in Honduras following the devastating Hurricane “Hattie”

In 1962 the Nurse Corps Anesthesia Program was established at the National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, MD"


.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongsun_Park

"in 1966, he founded The Georgetown Club at 1530 Wisconsin Ave NW. He was known for throwing parties in his social club which is now turned into a private restaurant.[5] By the 1970s, his wealth of expensive homes, worldwide jet travel and a consulting firm (Parkington International Inc.) grew his influence among his connections and friends.[6]..... In July 2006 he was convicted in a U.S. federal court on conspiracy charges.[2] He became the first person convicted through the oil-for-food investigation. On February 22, 2007, he was sentenced to five years in prison. He also was fined $15,000 and required to forfeit $1,200,000.[3] According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons Website, he was released from prison on September 10, 2008. The next day, he left the United States for South Korea.[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreagate
"Koreagate" was an American political scandal in 1976 involving South Korean political figures seeking influence from 10 Democratic members of Congress. The scandal involved the uncovering of evidence that the Korea Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA) was allegedly funneling bribes and favors through Korean businessman Tongsun Park in an attempt to gain favor and influence in American politics.[1][2][3] Reversing President Richard Nixon's decision to withdraw troops from South Korea is thought to have been one of their primary objectives. ..."

Worcester County's Polish Community - Page 78
books.google.com › books
Barbara Proko, ‎Janice Baniukiewicz Stickles · 2007
Found inside – Page 78
... Merthan served as Carter's personal secretary from 1977 to 1981. The Boston University graduate's first government job was with the Central Intelligence Agency in West Germany in 1953. She was president of the Georgetown Club from 1966 to 1976..."
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This is so ridiculous it's embarrassing. After carefully monitoring myself on my drive to Walmart this morning, I am forced to conclude that I reacted to at least 14 shots. My wife thinks it was 17, but she's kind of a Nellie Connally if you get my drift. Honestly, does it get any sillier or more pointless than this?
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It's not called eye witness accounts in legalese terms for the simple reason human beings have five senses not just sight. It is termed witness to the fact which must be first hand for it to be credible. For example Nell and John Connally in their testimony stated that they did not see the shot which blew apart Jack kennedy's head but both said they heard it and felt it. By that they meant they heard the impact and felt the blood and brain tissue hit their bodies. Two people of sound mind and impeccable integrity, that's as good as you'll get from inside the limo. They also stated that the shot that hit Kennedy in the neck was two seconds before the one that hit John Connally. They never changed their story - ever.

Nellie was of such sound mind sh told us JFK clutched his throat. That never happened. Great witness. JBC had no way of knowing whether JFK had been hit by the first or second shot. He didn't turn all the way around until he had been seriously wounded. I don't care how sound minded he was, he didn't have eyes in the back of his head.

As for there being two seconds between the shot that hit JFK and the one that hit JBC, which one of them was running the stop watch?

The Z-film gives us a much better indication. It shows they both reacted to their wounds at the exact same instant. There were roughly two milliseconds between the time the bullet hit JFK's back and it entered JBC's back
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You cannot cherry pick the statements of the Connally's just because Arlen Specter came up with the notion that it was a single bullet that hit both Kennedy and Connally. At some point in this assassination you have to start believing people who were in the limo not some dude in a suit making up strange bullet theories.
In my previous post I called Brennan a liar. The reason being, it is impossible for a witness to see the height of a gunman through a brick wall and boxes and his build, whether he's nice looking or not and how much he weighs yet the Dallas police acted on it and the Warren commission believed it too. The same commission then ignored two statements from high status witnesses who were actually in the limo!!!!!
When does common sense prevail? When does this nonsense stop?

I don't place any value on Brennan's ID of Oswald. I place value on him establishing the location of the shooter. The forensic evidence tells us that Oswald was the assassin, not any eyewitness.
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