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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:34:54 PM »
Quote from: Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 05:53:35 PM
I called the clerk at the Culpepper, Virginia National Audio Visual Preservation Center and he told me they only handle NBC's entertainment films...He told me the Wiegman and Darnell films were News so they would be stored at the Bergen, New Jersey NBC warehouse...

Schnapf already did the foot work on this and they told him the films weren't there...However I suspect whoever looked for the films went to the storage shelf for those films, didn't see them, and simply told Schnapf or Luna that they didn't have the films...

Oliver Stone's technical producer Rob Wilson told me the current digital files of the Wiegman and Darnell Films in NBC's possession were scanned off the original films when they made the digital files...What that means is someone at NBC handled the original films when they made those digital files...Those people are probably on record and probably could be contacted to ask them about the location of those original films...Those employees would have much more direct knowledge of the films since they were the last to handle them...Even though this is the best information in obtaining the films, because it originates from me the banning/ignoring savages are making sure that it gets ignored and no action is taken on it...Rob Wilson has the clout through Stone to probably get some action out of NBC in approaching them for the names of the digital file-makers...It is gross malfeasance and incompetence to NOT do so...

  NBC has sequestered the Original Wiegman and Darnell Films for 62+ yrs for a reason.  Remember that for decades the Wiegman Film was ballyhoo'd as being filmed "continuously". Then it was "revealed" that it was Not filmed "continuously". Well, maybe it actually was filmed "continuously". There is no footage when Wiegman was running (W) parallel to Zapruder with the Shelter in the background. And, there is no footage of when Wiegman ran down the knoll. In "Pictures Of The Pain", Wiegman says that he saw SA Lem Johns up the knoll. SA Johns claims that he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car and was then stranded on Elm St. He claims he never left the street. There are NO IMAGES of SA Lem Johns ever being on Elm St. The  Original Darnell will reveal the Bogus DPD Cop. Nobody sits on anything for 62+ yrs just because they can. There's a reason. 
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 06:24:53 PM »
Even in John Orr's scenario, which has the bullet passing through JFK, nicking the windshield molding and exiting the car, but not hitting JBC, there would have been a bullet whizzing through the car. It appears that Jackie and Kellerman also flinch noticeably in the same direction as JBC at the same time. Can we be certain that JBC's reaction, which is certainly noticeable, is a reaction to being hit? I just tried turning my head several times, and it actually seems quite natural for my one shoulder to rise in the direction I am turning. The faster I turn, the more it seems to do it.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Quoting Common Sense
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 06:14:03 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:42:31 PM
What evidence is there that Oswald was "pretty clearly scouting the Allright Parking Garage just a week before the JFKA.".

See https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190240/.

This was the parking garage of the Southland Center. It in fact was the tallest building west of the Mississippi in 1963. The Sheraton opened in 1959. JFK's motorcade went right past it.

Kind of an odd detail for the manager to invent: Oswald asked how high the building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.



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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Is it plausible Oswald could have completely missed the limo with his first shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 05:56:50 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on July 05, 2026, 11:27:41 PM
That's a lie. A first shot miss was one of the four scenarios the WC offered in its report. Those four scenarios were a first shot miss, a second shot miss, a third shot miss, and a two shot scenario with no misses. The WC didn't play favorites with those scenarios. It left it up to the reader to decide which one they found to be most plausible.

I originally read the WC when it first came out and I was in 8th grade. I read a good chunk of it although I didn't get much into the appendices. I didn't give a lot of thought to the possibilities when I first read it and by the time I got interested again in the subject sometime in the 1980s, I had forgotten many of the details. By that time, I had bought into the myth that the WC had concluded the second shot missed and the 3 shots had been fired in no more than 5.6 seconds. I was flabbergasted and a little pissed off when I re-read the WC for the first time in 25 years and saw that they had never concluded that, only that it was a possibility. I was pissed because I realized I had been duped, by Walter Cronkite of all people. He ceased being the Most Trusted Man in America in my eyes when I made that discovery. Now I don't trust any of the network anchors. I've ceased even watching the nightly network news programs.
The WR speaks for itself.  What I am saying is that the consensus of all members of the WC was that JFK was hit by the first shot and this was also the general consensus of the media and observers.  It was not until the HSCA used audio analysis to suggest an early missed first shot that anyone seriously considered that the first shot missed.  If you can find any serious publication prior to the HSCA report in which it was seriously proposed that the first shot missed I will stand corrected. This is why Connally kept insisting that he disagreed with the WC on the first shot. His disagreement was not that it hit JFK. His disagreement was that it was not the shot that he felt hit him in the torso
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 05:53:35 PM »

I called the clerk at the Culpepper, Virginia National Audio Visual Preservation Center and he told me they only handle NBC's entertainment films...He told me the Wiegman and Darnell films were News so they would be stored at the Bergen, New Jersey NBC warehouse...

Schnapf already did the foot work on this and they told him the films weren't there...However I suspect whoever looked for the films went to the storage shelf for those films, didn't see them, and simply told Schnapf or Luna that they didn't have the films...

Oliver Stone's technical producer Rob Wilson told me the current digital files of the Wiegman and Darnell Films in NBC's possession were scanned off the original films when they made the digital files...What that means is someone at NBC handled the original films when they made those digital files...Those people are probably on record and probably could be contacted to ask them about the location of those original films...Those employees would have much more direct knowledge of the films since they were the last to handle them...Even though this is the best information in obtaining the films, because it originates from me the banning/ignoring savages are making sure that it gets ignored and no action is taken on it...Rob Wilson has the clout through Stone to probably get some action out of NBC in approaching them for the names of the digital file-makers...It is gross malfeasance and incompetence to NOT do so...
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Understanding the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Cover-Up
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 05:41:56 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:44:03 PM
Why the hell would they do that?

Why "would" they do that?! They did do that with Kenny O'Donnell, a presidential aide and a close friend of JFK's.

Did you even bother to read beyond the first sentence of my reply? If you did, how did you miss the fact that FBI agents did this with O'Donnell?
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Last post by Steve Barber on Yesterday at 05:16:53 PM »
I'd forgotten about this video I made a few years ago, showing the up and down movement of Governor Connally's shoulder's as the bullet strikes him in the back. 

I want to point out that it was NOT I who was the first to point this out, but at the time I made the video, I didn't know that David Von Pein is the person who first pointed it out on his magnificent JFK Assassination website.   

My video was published by researcher Jim Hess several years ago. 

I should also point out that the reason the film is played at reverse frame is that it makes it much easier to see this up and down motion of the Governor's shoulders.

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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Post why Tague-SBT coincidences weightier vs OSS-Webster-Priscilla-CIA-Freeport
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 05:16:18 PM »
Quote from: Tom Scully on July 18, 2019, 02:35:18 AM
Jerry, I started this thread to confirm no one wants to go near the proof I posted that Priscilla was an official, covert face presented to the Soviet
defectors such as LHO, his wife, and Stalin's daughter and her assignments indicate US gov indifference whether the surveillance subjects were coming to or going from the USSR. Her side gig was pumping, manipulating, and bottling Marina, summer 1964 until 1978.

My experience in these forums is posters claim they are truth seekers but run from actually appraising it when it is presented to them.
Confirmation bias is not fact finding. Tague was irrelevant in June, 1964 because he offered more salesman than substance. He objected with, "hey! look at me!" Didn't he?

Tague was a used car salesman. DPD Buddy Walters asked Tague about
Tague’s cheek injury. The curb section was not cut out and taken to the FBI lab until about
8 months later. Aren’t wheel weights, affixed to the edge of tire rims, also made of lead.

Initially did not Walters claim a bullet was found in that area?
Did he change that claim from a bullet to a piece of skull?
See:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/death13.htm

AI result, displayed above Google search results.
“During the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, bystander James Tague was struck on his right cheek by a fragment or concrete debris caused by a bullet ricocheting off a nearby street curb. He was standing near the Triple Underpass in Dealey Plaza.A Dallas Times Herald photo taken shortly after the shooting showed a mark on Tague’s left cheek, leading to a common misconception. Tague later clarified that this mark was from a scuffle with his girlfriend the night before, while the bullet-induced injury was strictly to his right cheek.The resulting scar and fresh damage to the curb—where the FBI later found metallic lead residue—were documented by investigators, proving at least one shot completely missed the presidential limousine. For further context, you can read more via the James Tague Wikipedia page or review the Image of a bullet mark on a curb in Dealey Plaza via The Sixth Floor Museum.“


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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: I've talked with several homicide cops. They don't believe in coincidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 05:06:29 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on July 05, 2026, 11:42:04 PM
I'll never understand why CTs let themselves get sidetracked by these irrelevant side issues. I guess it's probably because when they focus on the hard evidence in the JFKA, it doesn't yield the answer they want. They think if they go down enough rabbit holes, eventually they will find what they are looking for. 62 years of futility hasn't discouraged them in their quixotic quest.

Have you read Proctor's and Doudna's research on the phone call? How do you explain it? Answer: You don't. You just dismiss it without studying it.

Because you're slavishly devoted to the WC's lone-gunman theory, you have to find some excuse, no matter how lame, to reject every single item of evidence that shows or even suggests that Oswald had intelligence connections and/or that he was working with others.

For newcomers to the thread, here's the transcript of Dr. Grover Proctor's 12/21/2015 presentation on the phone call:

https://istoriaministries.com/oswaldslastphonecalltranscript/

I also recommend Greg Doudna's Education Forum thread "The Raleigh Phone Call Revisited":

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27552-the-raleigh-phone-call-revisited/

For those who would rather watch a video first, here are two videos by Dr. Proctor on the phone call:

"Oswald's Phone Call"

"Dr. Grover Proctor: Uncut Interview"



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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 04:10:52 PM »
Quote from: David Von Pein on July 03, 2026, 03:36:27 AM
Here are 10 JFK Assassination books that I would recommend:

1. The Warren Commission's Final Report

2. "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi

3. "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner

4. "Oswald's Game" by Jean Davison

5. "The JFK Myths" by Larry Sturdivan

6. "With Malice" by Dale Myers

7. "Kennedy And Lincoln" by Dr. John K. Lattimer

8. "November 22, 1963: You Are The Jury" by David Belin

9. "The Death Of A President" by William Manchester

And, of course, my own book (which provides a good overview of the case)....

10. "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" by Mel Ayton with David Von Pein

Wow, so you wouldn't recommend a single pro-conspiracy book to a newcomer, and you'd recommend the Warren Commission's report to a newcomer but not the House Select Committee on Assassinations' report. 

It says much about your objectivity and credibility that you couldn't bring yourself to list a single pro-conspiracy book that you'd recommend to a newcomer. On a side note, did you not notice that the thread is about which six books you'd recommend to a newcomer, not which 10 books.

Again, it's this kind of severe bias and echo-chamber group think that is part of the reason your view of the JFK case is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world. You guys just don't seem to get it, and you just can't seem to help yourselves.

Finally, FYI, the 10 books that you list contradict each other on some key issues, such as the location of the rear head entry wound, the trajectory of the back-wound bullet, the location of the back wound, the position of JFK and Connally in the limo during the alleged hit of the single-bullet theory, and the 6.5 mm object on the autopsy skull x-rays.
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