JFK Assassination Forum

Michael won't read any of my blog posts on Richard Case Nagell.

It is just so incredibly easy to debunk Dick Russell.

For instance, here is his big smoking gun:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/is-this-document-the-smoking-gun-on-the-richard-case-nagell-story

Richard Case Nagell's non-existent evidence:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/richard-case-nagell-s-nonexistent-evidence

And here is a favorite of mine:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-richard-case-nagell-warn-fidel-castro-about-the-assassination


But wait, there's more:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/a-wrap-up-of-the-richard-case-nagell-story


It's time for conspiracy theorists to jettison Richard Case Nagell.

Your white pants lady theory does not provide the amount of light needed to create that effect.


Andrew, I have to disagree with you. The moon is reflected sunlight. So is the light being reflected off of the white clothing. Here’s another image cropped from a Zapruder frame a few frames after the one with Linda Willis pointing towards the TSBD. As we can see, there is enough bright light being reflected off of the clothing to cause an apparent starburst effect (lens flare or refraction or whatever you want to call it).

You appear to be using z174 above for comparison.  However, it is much brighter than your Rorschach image, which is around z166.  I have brightened z166 so you can make out the faint white background to Linda Willis' right side. z174 is much brighter than z166 so even if your theory was possible, it would not explain why the right arm would not cover that faint white area behind it if the arm actually extended out from the body:

No way. I might be able to guess the names of one or two CIA officers from among the guys I worked with, but not six. (Obviously, this does not include the one or two guys who I later learned were CIA.)

As I think about it, I can only remember one instance where I later learned that someone who worked in my department was CIA, and that was at an NSA site in the 1990s.

For the full story on Richard Case Nagell, I recommend the second edition of Dick Russell's book The Man Who Knew Too Much.

Barring some future self-evident and undeniable disclosure on Nagell, WC apologists are never going to admit that Nagell was a high-level intel operative, much less that his story about Oswald and foreknowledge of the assassination is credible. They're just never gonna do it. They'll nit-pick and offer one lame excuse after another to reject Nagell and his account.

Here's a helpful article about Nagell:

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKnagell.htm

Here are three podcasts about Nagell:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-183-richard-case-nagell-part-1/id1551161613?i=1000626006851

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-184-richard-case-nagell-part-2/id1551161613?i=1000626714968

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-185-richard-case-nagell-part-3-bonus-episode-1/id1551161613?i=1000627085094

Here are two of Richard Russell's presentations on Nagell:

If you read Lee Bowers testimony about cars coming in and out of the parking lot, he specifically mentions the Elm Street extension.

It sounds like, as a result of your work, you could easily compile a list of 6 or more CIA officers.

No way. I might be able to guess the names of one or two CIA officers from among the guys I worked with, but not six. (Obviously, this does not include the one or two guys who I later learned were CIA.)   

If you doubt me, talk to anyone who has worked in joint assignments in the intel field and who had at least a TS clearance. They will tell you it is astonishing that Nagell knew the names of six CIA personnel, not to mention that he wrote them down.

Nagell's notebook contained names of six persons who would much later be identified as CIA personnel. (The names were submitted by the FBI to the CIA in October '63 and were eventually verified by the CIA as being names of actual employees.)

And while it might seem odd to you to have written down their names in a notebook, if you were someone like Nagell who suffered from mental problems, you can see how Nagell might have written their names down in a notebook in case he ever wanted to make contact with the CIA.

Nagell had an excellent memory, as we'll see in a moment. There is a big difference between having neurological issues due to brain trauma (plane crash) and being insane. There is a big difference between excessively suspicious and being crazy. Nagell was quite lucid and intelligent. Nagell also had a drinking problem off and on. So did William Harvey. So did many other intel personnel.

The psychiatric exam reprinted in the CIA OS file notes that Nagell was "of superior intelligence and shows a remarkable memory for dates and names" ("Psychiatrist's Report on Richard Case Nagell," October 29, 1968, p. 3). Nagell admitted that he was prone to be "highly suspicious" of others, which he himself also described as "chronically paranoid," and that he tended to "impute intentions where none may exist." Trust me: Lots of counter-intel guys fit this description to a tee, but they are most certainly not insane. The psych exam concluded that Nagell showed "no overt evidence of psychosis" (p. 4), and that "he is not psychotic and seems competent in a legal and psychiatric sense" (p. 5).

The CIA said that Nagell might of known of Parker, Churchill and Guthrie through their work in the far east.

Oh, come on, Fred! Occam's Razor! No ordinary Army CI guy working in the Far East would have known the names of three CIA officers. He might, might, might have known the name of one officer, if that officer was his POC or operational handler at the time, and that's assuming the CIA officer was using his real name.

Nagell lived in LA as did Leibacker and Davanon - he might have had some contact with the Domestic Contact Office.

Again, come on! More reaching and straining and avoidance of Occam's Razor. Fred, you have no idea what you are talking about. You don't understand how stove-piped and carefully guarded CIA operations were at the time (and largely still are). Contact between Army intel offices and CIA offices was strictly regimented by "need to know" protocols.

The problem is that you are determined, no matter what, to dismiss Nagell as an unimportant nut who had no high-level intel connections.

The CIA OS file documents that Nagell was an Army counter-intel officer. He attended and graduated from the Army Intelligence School at Fort Holabird, Maryland. That school later moved to Fort Huachuca, Arizona, and I myself attended that school and had friends who were instructors there. When you graduate from that school, you become part of the Army's intelligence corps (aka command). The CIA OS file also confirms that Nagell worked in counter-intelligence assignments in Korea and Japan. Military counter-intel guys sometimes work with CIA guys, but only if they are working as part of a CIA-controlled operation. The CIA oversees military counter-intel operations, just as NSA oversees military signals intelligence operations.

And then there is the fact that Nagell had a military ID with Oswald's name and signature on it but with Nagell's photo on it. Where and how did Nagell get this ID card?

You argue that the Nagell-Oswald military ID was not found on Nagell when he was arrested because it is not listed in any of the property reports. However, we know that the police and SS property lists are not complete: The police report doesn't mention a military ID, yet the SS report does. And, neither the police report nor the SS report mentions the notebook, much less that it listed six CIA agents. Yet, someone clearly knew that he possessed the notebook when he was arrested because the CIA OS file acknowledges that he did. Thus, it is not a convincing to argue, as you do, that he did not have the Nagell-Oswald military ID when he was arrested because it's not listed in the police property list and is not expressly listed in the SS property list (although the SS list does include a military ID).