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Let's slow it up a little. YOU have no idea if they are looking, "towards the sniper's nest window....". That is your Opinion. It is Not Fact. And the waving of a hanky is a valid consideration here. Funny how the hanky has Not been mentioned during this discussion.

Comrade Storing,

She HAD the hanky IN her HAND already and was probably waving IT at JFK and Jackie WHEN she noticed Lee HARVEY Oswald in the WINDOW after he'd fired HIS first, MISSING-everything, shot at "Z-124," and CONTINUED waving it, HOPING the Secret Service guys would NOTICE her friend's POINTING to the WINDOW.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on December 08, 2025, 10:42:22 PM »
Unlike the other Mason, I’m seeing that JFK, Jackie and SS agent Hickey are ALL reacting in sync from Z140-Z150. That’s quite a coincidence I have to admit but I’m not sure if it’s a loud shot from TSBD which is the cause of those 3 in snyc reactions.

Because why has not JC turned his head left also at Z140-Z150  since he said he recognized the 1st loud noise as a rifhe shot?
 
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The point is that they are both looking well behind the JFK limo towards the sniper’s nest window and pointing up high towards the sixth floor. And there is a large gap between the queen Mary and LBJ’s vehicle. So who the puck do you suppose they are waving at?

   Let's slow it up a little. YOU have no idea if they are looking, "towards the sniper's nest window....". That is your Opinion. It is Not Fact. And the waving of a hanky is a valid consideration here. Funny how the hanky has Not been mentioned during this discussion.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 08, 2025, 10:23:28 PM »
I don't understand how it can be be "obvious" to you that she was describing the second shot because that is definitely not what she said.  She said she heard three shots.  She described the first horrible ear shattering noise that occurred when the car had passed by and the president had turned forward.  She described a pause of a few seconds and then two shots that were very close together. The problem is not all the witnesses.  The problem is your z124 first shot. It didn't happen, according to those who were there.

"The President was looking straight ahead and we were afraid we would not get to see his face. But we started clapping and cheering and both he and Mrs. Kennedy turned, and smiled and waved, directly at us, it seemed. Jackie was wearing a beautiful pink suit with beret to match. Two of us, who had seen the President last during the final weeks of the 1960 campaign remarked how relaxed and robust he looked.

As it turned out, we were almost certainly the last faces he noticed in the crowd."

After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right."


My comment:

The only time JFK waved to Woodward and her colleagues was when he started raising his arm to do so in Z-173.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z173.jpg


He's waving to them (and in the process of turning his head even farther to the right in order to look at them), and Jackie has turned her head in their direction, too, in Z-180.

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Tom, I totally agree with you. They are a scourge on serious research in this case and have overtaken the JFK Education Forum, which is a true embarrassment compared to what it once was.

And no, no serious researcher believes that there's any discrepancy between Altgens-6 and the Zapruder film, because there isn't.

IIRC, Comrade Storing also doesn't believe Zapruder paused filming after Z-132, when in fact he stopped filming for seventeen seconds at that point.
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IMHO, the sickest tinfoil-hat JFKA CTs are the photo and film alterationists.

Does anyone here agree with Royell Storing that the Altgens-6 photo and the Zapruder film don't jibe?

Tom, I totally agree with you. They are a scourge on serious research in this case and have overtaken the JFK Education Forum, which is a true embarrassment compared to what it once was.

And no, no serious researcher believes that there's any discrepancy between Altgens-6 and the Zapruder film, because there isn't.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 08, 2025, 10:12:32 PM »
Woodward was referring to Oswald's second shot at Z-222, the one where CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC. You can see JFK starting to lift his arm to wave to Woodward and her colleagues in Z-173 (in which Woodward is standing between journalist Aurelia Alonzo to her left and Ann Donaldson to her right in the blurry edge of the frame. Another colleague, Maggie Brown, is dressed in black and standing in the clear part of the frame to Donaldson's right.

Woodward told Stephen Fagin in a videotaped interview at the Sixth Floor Museum that she heard three shots altogether, and that the first one, which she thought had missed everything, sounded like a backfire.

It's obvious to me that the "shattering noise" she spoke about wasn't Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," but his second shot at Z-222.
I don't understand how it can be be "obvious" to you that she was describing the second shot because that is definitely not what she said.  She said she heard three shots.  She described the first horrible ear shattering noise that occurred when the car had passed by and the president had turned forward.  She described a pause of a few seconds and then two shots that were very close together.


The problem is not all the witnesses.  The problem is your z124 first shot. It didn't happen, according to those who were there.
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When you say "her companion," to whom are you referring?


The other elderly lady who is stepping back off of the street and waving a white handkerchief in her left hand and pointing up towards the sniper’s nest with her right hand. I have drawn blue arrows at their heads. They can be seen together in that same area in the pre-Z133 section of the Zapruder film. Watch the animated GIF and you should see both of them pointing and looking in the same direction well behind the JFK limo towards the sniper’s nest window.



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   I believe one of these ladies was waving a hanky around. Let's keep that in mind with respect to a raised arm and people/Willis standing between these women and the JFK Limo. Raised arm(s) amidst a passing parade is not uncommon and certainly Not automatically connected to a sniper's nest.

The point is that they are both looking well behind the JFK limo towards the sniper’s nest window and pointing up high towards the sixth floor. And there is a large gap between the queen Mary and LBJ’s vehicle. So who the puck do you suppose they are waving at?
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And while we're at it, how about Willis 5 and a portion of the MISSING Original Nix Film?

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

(LOL)
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