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I don't understand the government handing out money. If the government could make people richer by handing out money, why stop at $5000. Why not give everybody a million dollars? Yes, people will have more dollars to spend but the dollars they have will be worth a lot less. We should have learned that from the Covid stimulus checks. That triggered the sky high inflation during the Biden years. The same thing will happen if Trump goes through with this. I can almost understand the first round of stimulus checks because the economy needed a jump start but the next two rounds were overkill. I didn't get excited about the Covid stimulus checks because I knew they wouldn't increase my buying power. Neither will this if they go through with it. Government handouts are just a way of making people feel better without doing a thing to improve their lives. The only way handing out $5000 to everyone makes sense would be if they offset it by cutting government spending in other areas and we know they aren't going to do that, no matter which party is in power.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Last post by John Corbett on September 10, 2026, 11:56:43 PM »

This subject is always accompanied by persons who think they can come in and divert around the fact the 6th Floor Museum copy possesses enough data to prove Prayer Man is Stanton...

Nobody cares.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 10, 2026, 11:27:33 PM »
Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Gloria Calvery and her dressed-in-white colleague are already standing in a lower step, one of their other colleagues has already taken the long way to the TSBD by running through the pergola and down Elm Street Extension, and Officer Baker has already parked his bike, glanced around, listened to his radio, and run to the front steps by the time Darnell's so-called "opening frame" was shot.

-- Tom

Tom,

 The Darnell frame that Dan has posted is, in fact, the opening frame of the aftermath of the assassination.  Baker et.al have not been recorded by Darnell yet at this point.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 10, 2026, 11:18:22 PM »
Here's the actual first frame from the Darnell film, taken from my lossless Youtube download and not a lazy Youtube screenshot



and NO the Bell Film does NOT SHOW WIEGMAN RUNNING, it shows a walking camera man at the bottom but not him running.
This is taken from a high quality 1080p version without the watermark.




 Hi Matt,  This Bell frame is the clearest version of the film I think I've ever seen, clearer than the 6th floor museum's released copy (which doesn't include the entire frames right side as well as all of the sprocket area, sadly). 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 10, 2026, 11:03:52 PM »
   OK. The timestamp for the Bothun Photo is :30 seconds after the kill shot. Yet, we see Motorcycle Officer Hargis beginning to ride away. Considering everything that Hargis did, that :30 seems very quick for him to be riding away.
   Also, that photo shows almost all of the Hargis motorcycle windshield. A detailed look at that windshield should reveal a lot of blood/brain matter on it. Hargis stopped his motorcycle quickly after the kill shot. Whatever was on that windshield should have remained "as is" on the Bothun Photo.

 Hi Royell,

 This William Allen photo shows Hargis' motorcycle parked in front of and to the side of the TSBD.  His motorcycle number was 347.  That's DPD officer Harkness looking at the front area of the motorcycle, with his hand holding the handle bar and probably Hargis to his right talking with Harkness. You can see a white helmet right next to Harkness' own helmet. They're probably discussing the head matter, some of which I think can be seen on the windshield, but it may just be reflections.  Too bad there aren't more photos closer up.


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Dan O'meara on September 10, 2026, 10:51:07 PM »

                                                                          ALTGENS 8  VS  THE WIEGMAN FILM

       On "Altgens 8",  we are told that we are seeing the backs of Zapruder and Sitzman having just gotten down from the pedestal. They are standing on the cement just to the (E) of this same pedestal. In the background, we see BOTH of the Hesters flat on the ground, close to the Pergola. Per Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain", "Altgens 8" was taken from the (S) side of Elm St. It was taken Immediately after Altgens took the photo of the rear of the JFK Limo as it raced toward the Triple Underpass. (Time Stamp)
       On a good copy of  the "Wiegman Film", there are 2-3 clear frames showing this very Same Pedestal and the cement just to the (E) of this Pedestal. There is also a frame clearly showing the inside of the Shelter behind this same pedestal. These frames were taken BEFORE Wiegman filmed Both Hesters laying on the ground, and Mr Hester then getting up and moving to the Pergola behind them. These 2-3 Wiegman Film frames showing the pedestal and the cement to the (E) of the pedestal, do Not show Zapruder. They also do Not show Sitzman. And the Wiegman Film frame clearly showing the inside of the Pergola Shelter behind the pedestal, shows the Shelter to be empty.
        How is it that these 2-3 Wiegman Film still frames of the pedestal area do Not show any trace of Zapruder and Sitzman? Along with the shelter behind the pedestal being filmed empty? Zapruder and Sitzman are Not inside the shelter. This completely changes the currently accepted time lines of these images and the people captured within them. Wiegman got out of Camera Car #1 LATER than we were led to believe, and he then filmed the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass LATER than we were led to believe. The same goes for the Darnell Film footage of Officer Baker running toward the TSBD. That currently accepted :20 second time line is Wrong. ALL of these images were incorrectly time lined in order to corroborate each other. The now much clearer JFK Assassination Images, also being readily examined/viewed online, is exposing this chicanery.       



Altgens 8 captures the moment Zapruder and Sitzman have just got off the pedestal and are walking away from it.
The Hesters are seen on the grass.
Why can't Zapruder and Sitzman be seen walking away in Weigman?

Look again at the synchronisation JFK Theorist did of the Zaspruder and Weigman footage. Also, look at the synchronisation I did between these two films earlier in this thread which closely parallels the work done by JFK Theorist. You will notice that as Weigman runs towards the Hesters the Zapruder film is still running meaning Zapruder is still filming meaning that Zapruder and Sitzman are still on the pedestal as Weigman runs towards the Hesters.
That's why you can't see them walking away in Weigman.
As Weigman reaches the spot where he starts filming the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman get down from the pedestal.
Altgens8 is taken at the same moment. It is taken a brief moment before Weigmam has the Hesters centred and stable in his footage. Mr Hester immediately gets up and runs into the pergola.
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yeah, John……. As Hemingway suggested, “write drunk, edit sober” lol.

hey I heard you and Fred talking about Anthony on the Trail there.  some neat comments, too !  hoping today finds you well+

I'd never heard that quote from Hemingway but I love it. I suppose that could apply to many human endeavors.

I guess I'm as well as could be expected for someone who is 74 soon to be 75. Typical aging problems. I've been dealing with a pinched never the past week and my prostate acts as if it is older than I am. Just went to the doctor today for wet AMD but luckily it's in its early stages and is very treatable at this point.

A while back, I saw a table that someone born in 1951 had a life expectancy of 72 years so I'm already 2 years ahead of the game. I feel like I'm playing with house money the rest of the way.
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I know. His argument is so ridiculous.

When Corbett first began to engage me in this forum, he cited the WC's headshot wound-ballistics test as evidence that Oswald's alleged ammo was the ammo that hit JFK's head. But, when I proved that the WC's test shows the exact opposite, that's when he started peddling this line that wound-ballistics tests are essentially worthless because they can't "perfectly replicate" every aspect of a shooting.

I must be having a senior moment. I don't remember having made that argument. I don't remember even thinking that. I'm not even familiar with that particular test. The evidence that Oswald's ammo killed JFK is the fragmented bullet found in the limo by the Secret Service. Two of those fragments could be positively matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.
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Now, probably because of Stewart Fillmore's comments, Corbett has modestly modified this argument to say that "individual elements of a shooting can be tested" but that no test can "perfectly replicate" all aspects of a shooting.

Can you name one shooting in the history of firearms that was perfectly replicated?
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Okay, then it should be noted that every single test that has tested "individual elements" of the SBT has produced results that directly contradict those elements. In the 1967 CBS SBT test, not one of the bullets managed to penetrate the simulated thigh after passing through a ballistics gelatin block and then hitting a cadaver wrist, even though they didn't have to hit a rib bone before hitting the wrist. In fact, many of the bullets didn't even leave the wrist.

Do you think that perfectly replicated the SBT.
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In the 1992 AAT SBT test, a 6.5 mm FMJ bullet was fired into two gelatin blocks. The second gelatin block contained animal bones to simulate the shattering of a rib bone and the smashing of a wrist bone. The bullet transited the first gelatin block and struck the animal bones in the second block. It emerged markedly more deformed than CE 399.

You don't seem to understand that simulating is not replicating.
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What's more, four of the bullets in Lattimer's SBT test actually hit the simulated rib and wrist bones after passing through a simulated neck, and the only one of those bullets that Lattimer published a photo of was badly mangled (he admitted he threw away the three other bullets -- I wonder why).

I don't. None of the tests replicated the shooting of JFK and JBC. [/quote]

The most fraudulent SBT test to date was arguably Dr. Martin Fackler's 1992 test. Fackler made no effort to simulate a human neck, a human chest, a rib bone, and a human thigh. He lowered the velocity of his bullets to 1100-1335 fps and fired them directly into cadaver wrists. Fackler said that the two bullets that went through the wrists emerged with no deformity ("absolutely undeformed"). [/quote]

One more test that didn't replicate the shooting. Replication is impossible.
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In other words, he simply assumed that if the bullets had torn through a human neck and through a human chest, shattering 4 inches of rib bone in the process, the bullets would not have been deformed and would have had enough velocity to then penetrate a human thigh after smashing the wrist.

When I first read about Fackler's SBT test, I thought the article I was reading had to be mistaken, that no one would have conducted such an obviously bogus test, but then I found Fackler's own article on his test and saw that he admitted that the only part of CE 399's alleged journey that he simulated was the hit on the wrist and that he fired his reduced-velocity bullets directly into the wrists. Yet, some WC apologists in this forum continue to cite Fackler's bogus SBT test.

You have pointed to a number of tests that tried to simulate, but could not replicate the actual shooting. At best, any test can show what is possible. None can prove what did happen. I find it puzzling that people put so much emphasis on replicating the assassination. It's a fool's errand.

When the Haag's did testing for the Nova program, they tested individual elements of the shooting. They fired a Carcano bullet through both ballistic gel and ballistic soap. The gel showed a bullet COULD yaw upon exiting soft tissue. That doesn't prove CE399 did yaw. The best evidence of that was the elongated entrance wound on JFK's back. The ballistic soap was used to show the pressure cavity a Carcano bullet creates as it passes through a body. Unlike the gel, the soap doesn't collapse after the bullet passes through maintaining the pressure cavity.

I know of no case in the history of firearms in which a shooting was replicated. The JFKA is the only shooting I am aware of where such a thing was tried.
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John Manchester...Deputy Sheriff...Clinton, Louisiana...
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And it tells you a lot about how deep he was Graves...


Garrison had the right man...


That's why the town Marshal wanted to rip the guy who tried to bribe him with a promotion a new one...

Dear Brian,

In my humble opinion, you're one sick puppy.

-- Tom
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