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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything

« Last post by James Slater on Today at 01:25:24 PM »

Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 01:04:29 PM

I'm not going to get involved in your inane games, Slater.

You asked a question about Jackie, and I answered you.

If you'll actually read my answer and look at the pertinent Zapruder frames, you might even, despite your agonizing cognitive dissonance, actually learn something.

It's not an insane game at all.
The chain of custody from when the secret service first took the Zapruder film to the National Photographic Interpretation Center and was first examined by Dino Brugioni what happened after that is unknown.
In assassination research Dino Brugioni is the most important figure since he took the stills from the original film which were used in the investigation. Dino has always maintained that the film we see today is not the film he first saw in 1963. He worked for the CIA a long time.
For those interested here is the youtube link:-

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?

« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:23:24 PM »

Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 12:43:34 PM

"The conspiracy [that Tom Graves] posits subsumes not only the JFKA, but pretty much the entire history of the United States for the past 75 years [sic]."

Dear Macho Genius Fancy Pants Rants,

Not necessarily the JFK assassination, itself, but a lot of our history ever since the early 1960s when risk-taking General Oleg Gribanov sent GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov and KGB Major Aleksey Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) to the FBI's NYC field office to volunteer to spy for it at the U.N., and sent false-defector-in-place Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva in June 1962 to discredit what a recent true defector, KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn, was telling father-figure-requiring James Angleton about probable moles in the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies -- which intel Angleton unfortunately shared with his confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior, Bruce Leonard Solie in the Office of Security (look him up).

-- Tom

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why doesn't Admiral Burkley receive more attention?

« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:18:06 PM »

LP--

People forget that Blakey was all-in on the SBT theory. He accepted the SBT, even as he suspected there was a second gunsel at the GK, who fired a weapon, but did no damage.

So Blakey may have thought it would be a waste of time to record Burkley's insights, and "clog up" his findings.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything

« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:04:29 PM »

Quote from: James Slater on Today at 12:56:29 PM

Answer my question about the hypothetical in my last post and we'll go from there. Don't side track it, just answer it as if you were a jury member.

I'm not going to get involved in your inane games, Slater.

You asked a question about Jackie, and I answered you.

If you'll actually read my answer and look at the pertinent Zapruder frames, you might even, despite your agonizing cognitive dissonance, actually learn something.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: William Bruce Pitzer: Not exactly a busted factoid

« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 01:02:53 PM »

Greg Doudna, who seems to have moved on from here (I suppose the abuse he gets at the Ed Forum does have a certain perverse attraction), said kind of a wise thing at the Ed Forum yesterday:

The problem with sticking to mistaken beliefs—such as the continuing belief that Clay Shaw tried to hire a Marcello attorney in New Orleans (Dean Andrews) to defend Oswald in Dallas (based on WHAT reliable evidence?—think about it)—is: mistaken beliefs like that function to block out and prevent one from being open to actual true solutions.

It is just glaringly obvious—and was corroborated by the leading criminal defense attorney in New Orleans at the time—that the hire of Dean Andrews to represent Oswald was from Marguerite Oswald in Dallas via intermediaries.

Yet this has taken so little traction, and it’s the year 2026, over six decades later and people are still talking Clay Shaw on that, and STILL hardly anyone is talking Marguerite Oswald when that is what it was.

And for every substantive response to the argument in my paper on the source of Dean Andrews’ hire, there seem to be three from persons who haven’t read it enough to understand it or haven’t at all, as if everything has to be threat-attack. It’s not a recipe for advancing in understanding.

This applies in spades, of course, to what MTG has done here. He is wedded to his little Pitzer narrative that is SO outdated, SO demonstrably wrong, that all he can do is generate yet another knee-jerk response without even considering a different perspective. So many people are stuck in their own little JFKA time warps that the discussions are like a bunch of old vinyl 45s being played over and over. Yep, a JFKA forum is its very own oldies station!

("And, now, hipsters, yet another blast from the past, right here on JFKA FM, your goldmine of golden oldies. Yes, kids, crank up the volume because it's Michael G and the Conspiracy Loons with 'My Baby Killed Pitzer.'")

General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Doc Declassified by DJT Reveals Russia Tried To Help Him Win the 2020 Election

« Last post by Richard Smith on Today at 12:58:35 PM »

Quote from: Tom Graves on July 19, 2026, 05:36:23 AM

A document declassified by Trump on 3 July 2026 reveals that Russia tried to help him win the 2020 election.

Who cares? There is not one iota of evidence that any votes were influenced. Isn't that the leftist talking point on election fraud? No evidence. In the case of illegal aliens or other voter fraud, the leftist narrative is that it doesn't matter because there is no evidence that there is enough fraud to make any difference. And now there is actually evidence that thousands of illegal aliens were on the voting rolls in places like NJ and even allowed to vote. But the Dems are not concerned about that.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything

« Last post by James Slater on Today at 12:56:29 PM »

Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 12:47:32 PM

You wrote the following in your previous post:

"Jackie Kennedy stated that she was looking at the crowd to her left right until the point where Kennedy was struck in the throat. Look at the frames prior to that and she is looking to her right the whole time. Why would she lie? Did she lie or was she confused?"

My reply, in case you missed it:

Jackie was already looking to her left at Z-143 when she started turning her head a bit farther and was photographically "captured," with a concerned look on her face, in Robert Croft's Z-161 photo.

Around Z-175 she started turning her head to her right.

In Z-180, we can see that she's looking straight ahead or a little to her right.

In Z-190, about two seconds before JFK is hit in the lower neck/upper back by CE-399, she's looking far to her right -- as is JFK, who's waving to Mary Woodward and her three journalism colleagues. (Woodward did say in her 11/23/63 Dallas Morning News article that both JFK and Jackie turned and waved to them.)

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z190.jpg

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

Answer my question about the hypothetical in my last post and we'll go from there. Don't side track it, just answer it as if you were a jury member.

General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: U.S. And International Politics

« Last post by Richard Smith on Today at 12:54:22 PM »

Quote from: Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 10:39:08 PM

You think Trump is responsible for Ukraine's sudden insurgence?
Look to Z's advanced drone and anti-aircraft technology

...and who belittled and berated the President of the country being attacked?

You are concerned about words again and not actions? The US has sent Ukraine billions of dollars in weapons and aid. That includes under Trump. So yes. Without the weapons that Trump has sent, Ukraine would be toast. In fact, that is a narrative supported by the Dems that the US must send weapons and aid or Ukraine will go under.

Now did Russia invade Ukraine while Obama was president? Yes or no. Did Obama send Ukraine any weapons? Yes or no.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why doesn't Admiral Burkley receive more attention?

« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 12:48:05 PM »

Since I have never waded through Horne's five-volume ARRB epic, I did wonder if he mentions the Sprague memo or Burkley? If anyone knows, chime in.

With all the wacky things that get attention, I am flummoxed - flummoxed, I tell you - that the Sprague memo and the whole Burkley things just seems to have vanished into the JFKA mist.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything

« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:47:32 PM »

Quote from: James Slater on Today at 12:42:50 PM

[...]

You wrote the following in your previous post:

"Jackie Kennedy stated that she was looking at the crowd to her left right until the point where Kennedy was struck in the throat. Look at the frames prior to that and she is looking to her right the whole time. Why would she lie? Did she lie or was she confused?"

My reply, in case you missed it:

Jackie was already looking to her left at Z-143 when she started turning her head a bit farther and was photographically "captured," with a concerned look on her face, in Robert Croft's Z-161 photo.

Around Z-175 she started turning her head to her right.

In Z-180, we can see that she's looking straight ahead or a little to her right.

In Z-190, about two seconds before JFK is hit in the lower neck/upper back by CE-399, she's looking far to her right -- as is JFK, who's waving to Mary Woodward and her three journalism colleagues. (Woodward did say in her 11/23/63 Dallas Morning News article that both JFK and Jackie turned and waved to them.)

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z190.jpg

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

Note: JFK had turned his head quickly and consciously to his left in Z-144 in response to Oswald's early, missing-everything, shot.

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