JFK Assassination Forum

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Yes, who knows about the mysterious cars driving in and out the railroad parking lot, probably nothing.

The important part of this interview, captured on film (~5:55 forward) is Lee Bowers describing the cadence of shots. The "bang....bang-bang" cadence. Bowers knock-knocking on the table is far too rapid for shots from a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle (the M-C). 

Dallas Sheriff Seymour Weitzman also said the second two shot reports were "almost simultaneous," and Secret Service man Kellerman said the shots arrived in a "flurry," while Gov JBC said he thought the shots were fired from an "automatic." Some of these guys were veterans, and other law enforcement officials---people familiar with gunshots.

This all lines up with JBC being shot ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313---as it appears on the Z-film.

The LNT SBT theories do require some suspensions of disbelief.

   "POW.......POW/POW"! This is how an adult Amos Euins described the shots on Max Holland's "The Lost Bullet". Euins even manually demonstrated the cadence of the shots as he judo chopped down on the pedestal he hid behind on 11/22/63.

Thanks for posting.

Yes, who knows about the mysterious cars driving in and out the railroad parking lot, probably nothing.

The important part of this interview, captured on film (~5:55 forward) is Lee Bowers describing the cadence of shots. The "bang....bang-bang" cadence. Bowers knock-knocking on the table is far too rapid for shots from a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle (the M-C). 

Dallas Sheriff Seymour Weitzman also said the second two shot reports were "almost simultaneous," and Secret Service man Kellerman said the shots arrived in a "flurry," while Gov JBC said he thought the shots were fired from an "automatic." Some of these guys were veterans, and other law enforcement officials---people familiar with gunshots.

This all lines up with JBC being shot ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313---as it appears on the Z-film.

The LNT SBT theories do require some suspensions of disbelief. 

No wonder you're such a [you-know-what].

No wonder you're such a [you-know-what].

You seem to have one of the more acute cases of TDS that I've seen.

By any chance are you related to Rosie O'Donnell.

Very hard for me to see how Oswald "knows he's been framed" unless he at least knows his rifle is in the building. That's really the only thing that "frames" him. So how does he know it's in the building - does he think he's brought it for "show and tell" like we used to do in second grade? Unless he knew "Oh, my God, they have framed me as the assassin of JFK!" his actions make no sense. The CT scenarios where the conspirators removed the rifle from the Paine garage and planted it in the TSBD, or Oswald was instructed to shoot and miss as part of a political message of some sort, are just desperate ad hoc efforts. I really can't think of any plausible "framing" scenario.

This is exactly what I meant when I started the thread about people overthinking the assassination. Oswald wasn't stupid enough to bring his rifle to work for "show and tell" on a day the POTUS was going to ride past the building. Even sillier that he would fire shots out the window as a political message. The idea that the conspirators planted Oswald's rifle ignores the fact the fibers on the butt plate matched the shirt he was wearing. I don't know why any CT would jump through all these mental hoops when a very plausible explanation is available. Oswald brought the rifle to work to kill JFK which he succeeded in doing. I think it's terribly unfair to Oswald given that this was the first big thing Oswald ever succeeded at in his miserable little life and so many CTs refuse to give him credit for it.

Oswald gets to the 2nd floor after 48 sec.  He stops.  What to do next?
Should he continue down to the first floor?
Should he go to the first floor via the front stairs?
Should he lay low in the lunch room?
His jacket is in the Domino Room.
Uh Oh -- He hears Adams & Styles klomping down the stairs in a real hurry on a mission.
Best to visit the coke machine & hope that whoever it is goes clean past.
They pass. He comes back out. What to do next?
He can't decide.  He will be less conspicuous if he takes the front stairs, but he would then have to walk back into & throo the storage area to get his jacket in the Domino Room.
He decides to continue down the back stairs.
He makes a start but then Truly hollers up the elevator shaft, so he goes back up.
Then he hears Baker & Truly galloping up the stairs, & he retreats to the coke machine a second time.
He walks slow & cool.
He would have been better off diving into the lunchroom in a hurry, & laying low, he knows there is no-one in there, but he knows that if seen rushing (by Truly & Co) it will be a sure sign that he is guilty of something.
He nearly makes it, another couple of slow steps & he will be out of sight.
But damn, Baker spots a bit of him throo the glass of the door & says to come back.
Truly says that Oswald works here, & Baker & Truly gallop off.
They get to the 5th floor & take the east elevator to the 7th floor.
Oswald gets a coke to look less guilty & more cool if confronted again.  And assassinations go better with coke.
The back stairs are now dangerous.  He heads for the front stairs, either forgetting about his jacket or deciding that his jacket is a dead duck.
But just in case more dumb cops are entering along the corridor he goes via the office.
Damn, he meets Jeraldean Reid as she returns to her desk.  Mrs Hine is also in the office but she doesn't notice Oswald, or forgets.
Reid in 3 re-enactments took exactly 120 sec to get to her desk, which is about right (ie to meet Oswald).
She says something as they pass & he mumbles something back.  Its not a good look.  He has no business in the office, unless wanting change for the coke machine. Its not even a short cut to the stairs. Damn.  Anyhow no big deal.
He goes down the front stairs & mixes with the growing throng in the lobby near the front door without raising any suspicion.
Someone asks him about a phone.
Ok, things aint so bad, praps he can take a chance & get his jacket from the Domino Room anyhow.
Hmmm – he can get his jacket by going out the front door & down the steps & around & entering via the Houston dock (like he does each morning), & walking 16 paces to the jacket.
Getting caught walking in shouldn’t result in getting bitten by a cop.
So, off he goes, but he gets a little ways up Houston & he sees Officer Barnett on sentry duty at the dock, & Barnett looks vicious.
So, a quick U-turn & back down Houston.  Buell Frazier sees him walking south along Houston.
No, the jacket is a dead duck.  He decides to get out of there asap, he crosses Houston & then crosses Elm.
Tippit is waiting.