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The Iranian  strategy is making Trump look weak.  WAKE UP TRUMP and stop acting like Biden.

   "Iranian strategy...."? What kinda "strategy" involves those in charge hiding deep inside caves and spider holes? It's like Japan refusing to surrender after Truman dropped the 1st A-Bomb on Hiroshima. There was nothing left then and nothing left after Truman dropped the 2nd A-Bomb on Nagasaki. These Iranian terrorists hiding inside caves never had anything and still have nothing. There literally is Nothing to negotiate over.
   China is the Big Loser. They rely on Iranian Oil. The USA NOW becomes the major oil producer in the world. The takeover of Venezuelan Oil Production being part of a Big Picture Plan. Dating way back, Trump has consistently said, "Take the oil".
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 07:54:37 PM »
No witness can tell us at what frame of the Z-film they saw or heard something. Your request is silly.
What is silly is you thinking that I ever suggested that witnesses could.  But we can certainly relate what they said they observed at the time of the first shot to specific zframes.  For example, occupants of the VP car said that the first shot occurred just after they completed the turn and were going down Elm St. toward the triple underpass.  We can see that at z180 when the car is last seen in the zfilm that it has not quite finished that turn.

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SS Agent Glen Bennett who heard the first shot, then turned to look at JFK and SAW the second shot strike him high on his back. To believe that the first shot was not a miss by Bennett's account, one would have to believe only JBC was hit by the first shot, something JBC adamantly refuted.

Ok. That’s one witness.  Just another 40 or so to go. Unfortunately, Bennett was not called so he never explained why his notes made on the airplane that afternoon refer to only two shots.  He wrote that he heard a loud noise and “immediately, upon hearing” it, he “looked at the Boss’ car”. He said “Immediately, at that exact time” he “saw a shot that hit the Boss” in the upper back.
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    Badgeman was one of many highlights in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". That British presentation was far from a "1 Trick Pony". The Gordon Arnold segment did give us a pretty good look at that area between the N-S Picket Fence and the short wall. Even though that view was 25 yrs later, how many images do we have of that area?  And the segment where they detail the hiring of the foreign shooters was also interesting.


Fiction is usually more interesting than fact.
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I thought the description of where the 3 shooters were positioned was novel. I have never heard anyone claim/speculate that a shooter was positioned in the rear, "almost on the horizontal". In view of SS Paul Landis recently claiming that he recovered a bullet in the backseat area of the JFK Limo at Parkland Hospital, does give credence to a possible "almost on the horizontal" shooter being connected to JFK's "shallow" Back Wound.
    Sure, there is more wrong than right in TMWKK, but you're making a mistake if you casually "throw the baby out with the bath water" here. I also think if you knew how the Gordon Arnold story eventually came to light, you would view Arnold and his story in a much different light.

TMWKK was all bath water.
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Apparently, the Dallas County Historical Foundation didn't think that was a deal breaker. If I was hiring for that position, I would be looking for someone with managerial skills and some interest in the JFKA. I have no opinion on what his managerial skills were but apparently the people who hired him were satisfied  with what the knew. Who am I to second guess them.

BTW, the Badgeman photo was a key piece of TMWKK program so if you agree that was a boner, you are impugning that program.

    Badgeman was one of many highlights in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". That British presentation was far from a "1 Trick Pony". The Gordon Arnold segment did give us a pretty good look at that area between the N-S Picket Fence and the short wall. Even though that view was 25 yrs later, how many images do we have of that area?  And the segment where they detail the hiring of the foreign shooters was also interesting. I thought the description of where the 3 shooters were positioned was novel. I have never heard anyone claim/speculate that a shooter was positioned in the rear, "almost on the horizontal". In view of SS Paul Landis recently claiming that he recovered a bullet in the backseat area of the JFK Limo at Parkland Hospital, does give credence to a possible "almost on the horizontal" shooter being connected to JFK's "shallow" Back Wound.
    Sure, there is more wrong than right in TMWKK, but you're making a mistake if you casually "throw the baby out with the bath water" here. I also think if you knew how the Gordon Arnold story eventually came to light, you would view Arnold and his story in a much different light.
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It would appear from Google Images that Steve is basically correct. That being said, out here in Arizona I've never heard the term "stockade fence" used. The "pointy headed" vs. "blunt headed" distinction is definitely incorrect. Stockade fence sounds vaguely military, and that in fact is the origin (military and frontier stockades) - so I would think CTers would prefer it. For that matter, I've never heard anyone call anything out here a "grassy knoll," either. I do have a "pergola" in my back yard, although I didn't know that's what it was called either until the contractor called it that.

Now that I'm working on a law review article on this topic, it seems that the logs of frontier stockade fences did have pointy bottoms to facilitate driving them into the ground. Beginning in approximately 1873 ... oh, never mind.
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That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.

Which tells you, or should tell you, more about Larry than RFK. I think because he's dull and genial, he gets cut a lot of slack. IMHO, he's really just John Newman 2.0, or perhaps vice-versa - "Look at all these documents, and names and acronyms! This is serious research!" When you see conspiracies everywhere you look, you work has to be viewed with skepticism. Do the work and then run it past a peer-review committee of serious historians; it NEVER happens, and to top it off they either self-publish or end up with a publisher like Trine Day (which rejected my blockbuster "Ruth Paine Was a Black Man!" - I could hardly believe it, but apparently they do have some minimal standards).
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MTG-

As usual, in chaotic situations, there are eyewitnesses and other eyewitnesses.

However, three eyewitnesses place Sirhan close enough to RFK for the fatal shot, and Coroner Noguchi's estimates of the gunshot distance are only that, estimates.

Sirhan said that RFK turned suddenly away when he (Sirhan) put his gun towards RFK's face. So that explains the shot to the rear of RFK's head.

In addition, witnesses described all gun shot reports as the same in pitch and volume---in other words, all shots sounded as if they were the same, from Sirhan's .22 or an identical .22.

This tends to rule out the idea that RFK was shot from behind by security guard Eugene Thane Cesar, who was armed with a .38. BTW, Cesar's connections to the "Deep State" are non-existent.

That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.

It is risible Sirhan was hypnotized, although he may have been deranged, and put himself into a state or stupor.

Sirhan was a loveless, nearly penniless, diminutive, baleful anti-Semitic crackpot, who murdered RFK for the Senator's support of Israel, and said so many times.

I open to the idea Sirhan's brother, a Palestinian extremist who bought the .22 handgun for Sirhan, could have also fired some shots that night. There were many reports of someone who looked a lot like Sirhan at the Ambassador.

The LA DA wanted a prosecutable case, and went with the LN narrative.

As is the case in the JFKA, the evidence for a second gunman in the RFKA is practically non-existent.
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The Iranian  strategy is making Trump look weak.  WAKE UP TRUMP and stop acting like Biden.

I think we should wait until the game is over before we second guess the coach. There will be plenty of time for doing so then. I think the electorate will take that same approach. The outcome is what Trump will be judged on, not the process.

As for the 2028 election, right now Kamala and Newsom seem to be getting most of the buzz on the Democrat side. An interesting fact is no Democrat whose home state was California has ever been elected POTUS. 3 Republican Californians managed to do so. In fact, Kamala is the only California Democrat who has ever been the Democrat nominee for POTUS. California has just become too radical for those in flyover country to accept one of them as its POTUS. I have no idea who the Democrats will nominate in 2028 but I doubt it will be either Kamala or Newsom.
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Hey Steve - A "picket" is pointed or sharp. A stockade fence is Blunt or Oval at most.

I believe this is why "Picket" Fence is used to describe the Dealey Plaza fencing.

I'm not one to quibble over the semantics one way or the other. I don't care if people call it a picket fence or a stockade fence. I think we all know which fence is being referred to.
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"Turkey of an idea"! Without realizing it, you are rubber stamping my questioning Gary Mack subsequently being made "curator" of the Sixth Floor Museum. The man established a JFK Assassination "Boner" record that would choke a horse. Definitely a very nice guy, but his Boner Record made clear that he was unqualified for the "curator" position and the JFK Assassination Evidence he then had select access to.

Apparently, the Dallas County Historical Foundation didn't think that was a deal breaker. If I was hiring for that position, I would be looking for someone with managerial skills and some interest in the JFKA. I have no opinion on what his managerial skills were but apparently the people who hired him were satisfied  with what the knew. Who am I to second guess them.

BTW, the Badgeman photo was a key piece of TMWKK program so if you agree that was a boner, you are impugning that program.
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