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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why did they let a Patsy have a Press Conference?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 10:40:24 PM »
Well Oswald looked guilty with that bruised eye and his disheveled overall appearance. And they already knew he was a little  kooky and knew he was an  ex USMC defector. So displaying the patsy early in the process so the public would fixate on him and start prejudging him to be guilty ( just as Ruby seems to have done) is a good reason to display Oswald to the TV world.



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First xxxx
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 10:37:06 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 09:56:21 PM
Dans Z224 1st xxxx sequence fits better than any other of the LN 1st xxxx miss sequences with a 3rd xxxx that could possibly have hit  the manhole cover. It’s an unaimed xxxx 2 secs after Z313. If it’s possible a lead fragment separated from the copper jacket and flew across the green to strike the curb near Tague, then that fragment was probably traveling at least 1500ft/ sec which would have been enough to cause some concrete debris from the curb causing Tagues cheek wound. It fits closer with Norman’s xxxx spacing and with Tagues recollection ( he said it was the 2nd OR the 3rd xxxx). And 4.8 secs then 2 secs is lot closer to the 75%witness heard  xxxx pattern of 1… 2.3 than any LN Z140 thru Z170 1st xxxx missed sequence that is 9-10secs in duration.

Andrew’s Z190-Z270-Z313 sequence is the only other LN proposal but where in there could the manhole cover have been hit?

The amount of evidence demonstrating that the first xxxx passed through both men at z222/z223 is ridiculous. Anyone who genuinely accepts the weight of evidence can come to no other conclusion.
Once accepted there is little choice but to have the headshot as the second xxxx followed by a third, missed xxxx.
In reality, the first xxxx was a miss in that the target was the head and the xxxx missed low, passing through JFK's neck. Luckily for the shooter JFK stayed in an upright position as he took his time to line up the fatal headshot. I assume the shooter had already decided he was going to take a third xxxx, which is why it followed so closely behind the second xxxx, but why did it miss so wildly?
I suspect the shooter pulled the xxxx high due to the sudden arrival of Clint Hill on the back of the limo.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Another Missed xxxx That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 10:29:28 PM »
The manhole did have a gouge in it did it not? Is not there a photo of the manhole cover showing there is a mark? ( or am I experiencing the Mandela effect?)

If there is no photo then it’s just a witness having seen something but no actual physical evidence
on the manhole cover, and the bullet (or partial bullet with missing lead ) that caused the uprooted grass,   not in the archives or in WC documented items, means either it was not found or that there was  a post event conspiracy of avoiding introducing that bullet.

Why does it always wind up there being a possibility of conspiracy? The photo with the man reaching into that uprooted grass, where is his WC testimony?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Explain the logic of Prayer Man please
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 10:09:17 PM »
It’s good there is still a fall back scenario of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom or in the Domino room   (where his blue jacket was found a month after the event) otherwise Oswald not seen at the time of the shooting could get really problematic.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First xxxx
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 09:56:21 PM »
Dans Z224 1st xxxx sequence fits better than any other of the LN 1st xxxx miss sequences with a 3rd xxxx that could possibly have hit  the manhole cover. It’s an unaimed xxxx 2 secs after Z313. If it’s possible a lead fragment separated from the copper jacket and flew across the green to strike the curb near Tague, then that fragment was probably traveling at least 1500ft/ sec which would have been enough to cause some concrete debris from the curb causing Tagues cheek wound. It fits closer with Norman’s xxxx spacing and with Tagues recollection ( he said it was the 2nd OR the 3rd xxxx). And 4.8 secs then 2 secs is lot closer to the 75%witness heard  xxxx pattern of 1… 2.3 than any LN Z140 thru Z170 1st xxxx missed sequence that is 9-10secs in duration.

Andrew’s Z190-Z270-Z313 sequence is the only other LN proposal but where in there could the manhole cover have been hit?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / EF-JFKA... Better, but Still Some P.U.
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 09:54:45 PM »


Do you believe Westbrook when he says there were no cars at the Police Station so he walked from the Police Station to the Depository?...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First xxxx
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 09:15:55 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 03:23:51 PM
Come on Andrew, let's not go through all this yet again.


The location of the hole in the clothing such as a jacket that is free to move around can be misleading. You also have the jacket on a hanger. Here it is on the body:

 
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Just be honest.
Look at the image of JBC's jacket above and how low down the bullet hole is.
Remember the bullet exits on a downward trajectory, so his wrist would have to be even lower than the bullet hole.
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Now look at how high up JBC is holding his wrist in z271.

All you need to do is be honest.
The bullet struck just above the end of the jacket cuff and struck the middle of the french cuff:



To suggest that one has to be dishonest to argue that JBC was struck on the second xxxx at z271 is to demonstrate a lack of understanding of all the evidence.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First xxxx
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 08:18:01 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:14:58 PM
How the hell does a bullet fired from behind the limo exit from the right nipple during that sequence? It's preposterous
I didn’t make up the notion the JBC was turned sideways when the second xxxx sounded. Nellie and Gayle Newman observed it and JBC’s three doctors agreed that his chest was nearly parallel to the direction of the bullet:
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 07:42:20 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 07:38:55 PM
I've looked at a number of online dictionary definitions of "missile", some of which would apply to a bullet fragment and others which would not. It really isn't important. It is what the person who used the term "missile" meant by it. If that person considered a fragment to be a missile, then it is a missile.

Does nothing to clarify the receipt dated 11/22/63
lame with a bit of mumbo-jumbo on the side

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 07:38:55 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 07:29:31 PM
Well then, it should be easy to find clarification in the official documents for such a major discrepancy.
Missile is a bullet, I'm not aware of any reference of other fragments found in this case called "missiles".
Even if "removed" Humes made no further reference to it, The document was hidden until 1972.

Find an official reference that missile means fragment would clarify it as not just another lame excuse

I've looked at a number of online dictionary definitions of "missile", some of which would apply to a bullet fragment and others which would not. It really isn't important. It is what the person who used the term "missile" meant by it. If that person considered a fragment to be a missile, then it is a missile.
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