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I was talking about both and got confused between this and the First Shot thread.  But the point is the same.  The idea that anyone would have forgotten about the first shot is absurd.  They may not have counted all the shots but the idea that they did not notice the shots is something that you are just speculating about to explain why not a single witness put the first shot anywhere near where you put it (half a second before Zapruder started filming).

Tina Towner put it later (4-6 seconds after she stopped filming according to her 1996 oral history at Sixth Floor Museum). Hugh Betzner put it later (after z186). Robert Croft put it later (after z161). Occupants of the VP car put it later (just completed the turn). Connally put it later (150-200 feet after the corner).  Mary Woodward put it later (after JFK's last right turn, wave after he passed by where she stood). Occupants of the VP Security car put it later (almost completed the turn). Greer put it later (when they were passing the west edge of the TSBD). Billy Clay, Jean Newman, Georgia Hendrix, Sue Dickerson, Peggy Hawkins, said the President had just passed them when the first shot occurred.  Karan Hicks said :The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion."   

How could all these witnesses independently recall a first shot 4-5 seconds later than you suggest and all be so wrong and yet not a single witness put it anywhere near where you suggest?

  Bump regarding the Towner 1st shot claim. The Towner " 4-6 seconds" after she Stopped Filming totally destroys a very early 1st shot. She clearly was still filming when the JFK Limo was (W) of the sidewalk/Tall Monument.
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   Towner said she stopped filming after the 1st shot. Her Film shows the JFK Limo and the hood of the Queen Mary behind it, but No trace of the TALL Monument in the background. This means the JFK Limo was (W) of the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter at this point in time. Per the account of Tina Towner, the alleged "early" 1st shot never happened.

I think you meant that she stopped filming before the first shot.  To figure out where JFK is on Elm St. all you need to do is see where the sightline from the camera through JFK extends to and then plot that sightline on a map of Dealey Plaza:

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The Elm St Extension and the TSBD "wide open" Huge Gates have been completely ignored for 62+ years. This is why absolutely no one noticed that the "getaway" car was Absent from the Wiegman Film. The Elm St Ext was an absolute beehive of activity shortly before, during, and after the Kill Shot.

Okay.
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Here is a clearer version you can see a large area of debris pelting the Connally's.



   Go to YOU TUBE.   Search - "Zapruder Film JFK Assassination Best Quality HD 1080p"   by - windvale   (0:28) 
   This is a far more detailed copy than the above Z Film snippet you have posted above. Including between the sprocket holes. Let me know what you see/don't see.   
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Wowie zowie!

        The Elm St Extension and the TSBD "wide open" Huge Gates have been completely ignored for 62+ years. This is why absolutely no one noticed that the "getaway" car was Absent from the Wiegman Film. The Elm St Ext was an absolute beehive of activity shortly before, during, and after the Kill Shot.   
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   The important part of that "red mist" is that it goes UPWARD. We do Not see anything blowing out of that massive hole in JFK's (R) Temple region. Based on what the Zapruder Film shows, that massive hole should have had blood/brain matter blowing out of it like a whale's blow hole. AND, the (R) side of the JFK Limo should have been massively blood splattered too. A mere shaving cut produces far more blood than what the Zapruder Film shows coming from that alleged massive hole in JFK's (R) temple area. The stuff on the Z Film flies in the face of what many of us experience in day-to-day life.

Here is a clearer version you can see a large area of debris pelting the Connally's.

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I have to admit you're a professional at hijacking threads Sir Graves Ghastly.
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  - BUMP-  Abandoned "getaway" car. This car sat  in this clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone for 3+ Hrs immediately following the Kill Shot. This car was abandoned directly outside the TSBD Front Door & the "wide open" Huge Gates.

Wowie zowie!
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Isn't about time you started another thread in here on the Education Forum?

My, what a clever come-back.
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Isn't about time you started another thread in here on the Education Forum?
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