JFK Assassination Forum

Why do you insist traumatic incidents turn people into vegetables. By this line of thought everyone would be like fainting goats. More likely it would have been seared into their memories.

 Jackie, Nelly, JBC, corroborated each other's testimonies in addition to the shell info, ballistic info and 70+ eyewitnesses.

An early missed shot is basically a child ran down the side walk.

Eyewitness testimony is a problem but not the earwitnesses? Really? 

You have the two shots right, but like a baby sucking their thumb, you seem to need an unsupported third shot that no one in Dealey Plaza was aware of ever having taken pace including the guy filming the motorcade.

Why do you insist on creating strawman arguments. I never said what you claim I did. Therefore, there is no need to address the rest of your tripe.

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I stand by my statement.

The slug found in the Walker residence was described, in contemporary same-day official reports, as "steel jacketed" by two DPD officers and two DPD detectives, who recovered the bullet themselves and who were attending the most high-profile assassination attempt in Texas history (Walker being a national figure at that time).

This is a photo of CE-573 (see below), which the WC says the FBI says is the true Walker bullet recovered at the April crime scene, but which is the most obviously copper-jacketed bullet in all police annals.

I am an amateur plinker at best, and I even can tell instantly that CE-573 is a copper-jacketed slug, and almost certainly not the one recovered at the Walker residence.

I have reasonable doubts four DPD'ers would ID the CE-573 as a "steel-jacketed" slug. Cops know guns & ammo, and there were two detectives on the scene,

Last I heard, Steve Roe told the world he had dramatically uncovered an actual witness to the slug found in the Walker residence, thus incurring some rumors Roe was perhaps losing his marbles a bit. 

Did Roe ever produce his witness?

How did he encourage his followers to overthrow the government? By telling them to go to the Capitol and protest peacefully? I thought that was a constitutionlly protected right.

  called for peaceful protest? once again you're FoS:

“We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

“If the liberal Democrats take the Senate and the White House — and they’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now,”

President 'Pedo' put his VPs life in danger then watched it like a sporting event while his staff and family begged him to stop it.

Unless you can show evidence Oswald conspired with elements of the Soviet government or intelligence apparatus, all this crap is nothing but white noise.

The important thing is that the KGB has been waging disinformation, "active measures," and strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies since 1959, the hand of the KGB can be discerned in certain aspects of the JFKA, and Russia won the Cold War, as evidenced by the fact that "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin installed The Traitorous Orange Turd as our "President" on 20 January 2017.

Alleged? No indictment. No trial. No conviction. But that won't stop the TDS crowd from swallowing the story hook, line, and sinker.

How did he encourage his followers to overthrow the government? By telling them to go to the Capitol and protest peacefully? I thought that was a constitutionally protected right.

Do you think poor victim Donald was framed in the E. Jean Carroll case, too?


ME: Did Donald Trump do or say anything that encouraged or motivated the attendees of the January 6th protest to storm the Capitol?

GROK: Yes, Donald Trump took actions that motivated and directed many attendees of the January 6, 2021, "Save America" rally to march to the Capitol, though whether this legally constituted incitement remains highly disputed.

Trump's Speech and Key Statements

Trump spoke for over an hour at the Ellipse rally. Relevant excerpts (from transcripts):

He repeatedly claimed the election was stolen: "We won in a landslide... This is a coup... They rigged it."

"We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore." (He used variations of "fight" ~20 times.)

"We’re going to walk down to the Capitol... We’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them."

Trump did not explicitly call for violence, breaking windows, or assaulting officers. Supporters emphasize the "peacefully and patriotically" line as evidence against incitement. Critics note it was one brief phrase amid an hour of fiery rhetoric targeting Mike Pence, Congress, and election officials, delivered to an already angry crowd that had been primed for months with "Stop the Steal" messaging.

He tweeted during the riot (after it began) criticizing Pence for lacking "courage," which some saw as further inflaming the situation. Trump later released a video telling rioters to "go home" and that "we love you," while still repeating stolen-election claims.

Broader Context and Motivation

Trump promoted the rally (e.g., tweeting "Be there, will be wild!").

He spent months alleging massive fraud (claims rejected by courts, his own officials, and audits).

The Democrat-led January 6 Committee concluded Trump was the "central cause," citing his pressure on Pence, fake electors efforts, and the speech.

Some charged rioters cited Trump's words as motivation in court statements.

In short, Trump's speech and months of rhetoric did motivate a large portion of the crowd to march on the Capitol with the goal of pressuring Congress/Pence to delay or reject Biden's certification. Whether this crossed into illegal encouragement of violence is a matter of intense partisan disagreement—courts, historians, and the public remain divided. The "peacefully" disclaimer exists, but context, repetition of fighting language, and direction to the Capitol were key factors for many attendees.

ME: How much later?

GROK: Trump released the "go home, we love you" video at approximately 4:17 p.m. ET on January 6, 2021.

Key Timeline Context

Trump's speech at the Ellipse: Began around 11:57 a.m.–noon and ended around 1:10–1:15 p.m. He finished urging supporters to march to the Capitol shortly before or as the first groups were already heading there.

Initial perimeter breaches at the Capitol: Started around 12:53 p.m. (while Trump was still speaking), with surges past barriers by ~1:00–1:30 p.m.

Rioters entered the Capitol building: Around 2:10–2:13 p.m.

Trump's tweet criticizing Pence: 2:24 p.m. (after he knew violence was underway).

"Go home" video posted: 4:17 p.m. — roughly 3 hours after his speech ended, ~2–3 hours after major breaches began, and ~2 hours after rioters had entered the building.

This period is often called the "187 minutes" in discussions of Trump's actions that afternoon (from the end of his speech to the video). He was at the White House during this time, aware of events via reports and TV (per testimony and records). The video was recorded in the Rose Garden after aides urged him to respond; it condemned violence but still repeated stolen-election claims and expressed sympathy for the crowd.