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I am not a fan of lie detector tests, which Sam Ervin properly called "20th-century witchcraft."

Neither was probable KGB "mole" Leonard V. McCoy.

https://www.ironbarkinc.com/2015/07/the-trouble-with-polygraph.html?m=0
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on December 01, 2025, 09:32:37 AM »
What do you mean by "expressing his distress"?

If you had been Connally and you had heard a high-powered rifle shot from behind about a-second-and-a-half earlier, what would you have done?

Jump out of the limo?

A frame or two after Z-161, Connally, after seeing that Nellie was okay, quickly turned his head and upper torso far back to his right to see where the shot had come from and to see if JFK was okay.

He couldn't "see" JFK, however, because JFK had turned his head to his far right and started waving to someone, thereby blocking Connally's view of his now-in-profile face.

Connally decided to turn back the other way to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder but only made it about 1/5 of the way there when JFK and he were struck by CE-399 around Z-222.

How many times do I have to inform you of this?

Connally decided to turn back the other way to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder but only made it about 1/5 of the way there when JFK and he were struck by CE-399 around Z-222.

Stay away from the details of this case as you have no clue.
JBC is NOT looking to his left when he is hit by the first shot.
He is clearly looking to his right.

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TG--

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2021/docid-32375412.pdf

I am not a fan of lie detector tests, which Sam Ervin properly called "20th-century witchcraft."

That said, to later defend Nosenko on the basis of a later polygraph is also silly.

The best indication Nosenko was planted phony is Bagley's review and take on Nosenko, iMHO.

BTW, I wonder if the 35 KGB moles in the 1960s-era CIA knew about each other. If they did...what chaos they could cause.
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Yes, you are correct, AFAIK.

Gee, thanks!
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Newman says Solie, KGB-fink, sent LHO to Russia.

Newman says Mole Solie in the Office of Security -- who had betrayed CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, to KGB General Vladislav Kovshuk in Washington, D.C., movie houses in early 1957 -- sent Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 in a (belated, imho) response to (probable "mole") George Kisevalter's reporting to headquarters in April 1958 that Popov had told him in West Berlin that he'd overheard a drunken GRU colonel brag at a New Year's Eve party that the Kremlin had all of the specifications of the U-2 spy plane (which Solie had access to in the OS), so that Oswald could unwittingly protect Solie from being uncovered by causing the hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" to center on the Soviet Russia Division.

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Marchetti, way back in the 1970s, said the CIA was so riddled with KGB assets...that it was unclear who was working for whom.

A true defector by the name of KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn (who defected to the US in December 1961), said that he thought there may have been as many as thirty KGB "moles" in US "Intelligence."

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Thus, if elements within the CIA did encourage LHO to perp, or participate in the JFKA, it is still not known whether those elements were KGB or not.

Thart's a logical assumption.

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The whole Nosenko defection indicates Moscow badly wanted to alter the narrative on the JFKA.

Evidently.

It's possible that Yuri "The KGB Had Absolutely Nothing To Do With LHO In The USSR" Nosenko (who was definitely a false-defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962) was "just" a rogue physical defector to The Land Of Milk And Honey in February 1964 whom the CIA had to let in because . . . wowie zowie . . . he claimed to have been Oswald's case officer in Moscow!!!

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Just like the modern-day MAGA-Moscow-Putin-Oliver Stone narrative.

Which is possibly the intended result of sixty-six years (it started in earnest in 1961 when Gribanov sent GRU Lt. Col Dmitry Polyakov to the FBI's NYC field office to "volunteer" to spy for it at the UN, and sent KGB Major Anatoliy Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) to the same place a couple of months later) of disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations waged against us and said NATO allies.

If true, Golitsyn was correct in trying to warn us about the KGB's 1959-on, Sun Tzu-based "Master Plan."

Which came to be disparaged by "useful idiot" (or worse) John L. Hart and his ilk as "paranoiac Golitsyn's" / "paranoiac Angleton's" Monster Plot.

. . . . . . .

Just for fun:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2021/docid-32375412.pdf
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 01, 2025, 03:22:13 AM »
Exactly

Sez one cherished-by-Putin tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist to another cherished-by-Putin tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 01, 2025, 03:10:12 AM »
Debunked nonsense.
This thread contains a staggering amount of evidence demonstrating, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that such an early shot is out of the question.
Who cares what you imagine people in the Z-film are looking at, or what they are thinking?
Do some research and provide some actual evidence to support your fantasies. It's the least a 'researcher' should do.

   Exactly
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TG==

Yes, you are correct, AFAIK.

Newman says Solie, KGB-fink, sent LHO to Russia.

Marchetti, way back in the 1970s, said the CIA was so riddled with KGB assets...that it was unclear who was working for who.

Thus, if elements within the CIA did encourage LHO to perp, or participate in the JFKA, it is still not known whether those elements were KGB or not.

The whole Nosenko defection indicates Moscow badly wanted to alter the narrative on the JFKA.

Just like the modern-day MAGA-Moscow-Putin-Oliver Stone narrative.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 01, 2025, 02:36:48 AM »
So, Croft captures JBC reacting to what he immediately recognized as a high-powered rifle shot, by expressing his distress at realizing that an assassination was occurring and wanting to see JFK?

What do you mean by "expressing his distress"?

If you had been Connally and you had heard a high-powered rifle shot from behind about a-second-and-a-half earlier, what would you have done?

Jump out of the limo?

A frame or two after Z-161, Connally, after seeing that Nellie was okay, quickly turned his head and upper torso far back to his right to see where the shot had come from and to see if JFK was okay.

He couldn't "see" JFK, however, because JFK had turned his head to his far right and started waving to someone, thereby blocking Connally's view of his now-in-profile face.

Connally decided to turn back the other way to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder but only made it about 1/5 of the way there when JFK and he were struck by CE-399 around Z-222.

How many times do I have to inform you of this?

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Pete Bagley says LHO went to Moscow "wittingly."

1) Bagley died in 2014.

2) When Bagley said Oswald was a "witting" CIA agent after reading some 1959-60 CIA documents he hadn't been privy to at the time and which researcher Malcolm Blunt showed him around 2012, he mean that Oswald was knowingly on a mission for the CIA, but neither Oswald nor James Angleton in 1959 nor Bagley in 2012 realized that it was for a KGB-controlled part of the CIA -- the mole-hunting Office of Security, where probable KGB "mole" Bruce Solie -- Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior -- was Deputy Chief of the Security Research Staff (DC/OS/SRS) and Chief of its Research Branch C/OS/SRS/RB). 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 01, 2025, 02:13:50 AM »
and John Connally's quick head turn and peripheral glance at Nellie at Z-150, the final stage of which was captured by Croft at Z-161.

So Croft captures JBC reacting to what he immediately recognized as a high powered rifle shot, by expressing his distress at realizing that an assassination was occurring and wanting to see JFK?
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