JFK Assassination Forum

Thanks to John and Ben for reasonably on-point responses.

I would have to say the answer to my query "Are we self-aware enough?" would appear to be no. This is, frankly, not surprising. I don't picture the participants on JFKA forums as being a particularly self-aware bunch, any more than I picture the pornography enthusiasts at a XXX site as being particularly self-aware (and I should know!  ). For most participants, it seems to me the JFKA is more in the vein of an obsession or addiction. There can be no reasonable hope that the verdict of history is ever going to change or that any essential cog of the LN narrative is ever going to be disproven, yet some sort of loop goes round and round inside the addicts' heads. They, be they LN-oriented or CT-oriented, simply cannot stay away from the 1,243rd discussion of the SBT or Tippit scene or curtain rods or whatever. "Hobby" scarcely describes it.

Perhaps people simply aren't interested in examining this addiction, and that's fine. Perhaps they are a bit afraid of what they might find if they did examine it, and that's fine too. This thread was just an invitation.

I question myself, of course, which is why I always end up disengaging. "Am I as nutty as these folks?" I ask myself. "Even if I'm not, are people who know me going to think I am?" - guilt by association, as it were. Are old high school and college friends or former coworkers stumbling on my posts and exchanging emails saying "Do you remember Lance, who used to be such a whiz? Have you seen how he spends his time now, arguing with conspiracy cranks on JFK assassination sites? Jesus, what do you think happened - did he hit rock-bottom and end up in some institution?"

Which is why I do engage in introspection and attempt to justify my participation as suggested in my original post. I'm above the fray, I try to tell myself. I do not engage with the cranks except to amuse myself. I mostly do not participate in the 1,243rd thread on the SBT. But still ... is this really the best thing I have to do with my time at age 76??? Surely not ... is it???

Can anyone who is at least reasonably rational - just reasonably - deny that the majority of participants on a forum such as this are pretty clearly a bit "off" and that the majority of "discussions" are so goofy as to be almost surreal? I won't name names, but some of the most clearly whacked-out are by far the most prominent participants and are humored endlessly as though what they were saying were actually worthy of discussion. Why is that? Probably, I would guess, because rational, evidence-based discussions of the JFKA would be exceedingly dull and mostly just reinforce the LN narrative, so even LN proponents dive into the surreal world of the 1,243rd thread on the SBT (or far worse).

In short, despite my statesmanlike attempt in my first post at justifying my own participation, I'm not sure I've completely convinced myself. I confessed freely at the Ed Forum that I share to some degree the conspiracy-prone mindset and that it's only my willingness to seriously examine it that has kept me from turning into a rabid 9/11 Truther, Fake Moon Landing proponent, Shape-Shifting Reptilian Alien true believer, and Harvey and Lee enthusiast who thinks Lee was Prayer Man. Still, I fear that being here at all may be telling me something I'd rather not admit.

And on it goes.

Keen-eyed observers may have noticed that no one, including me, had anything whatsoever to say about the video Duncan posted. I found it about as exciting as watching my microwave cook a Banquet pot pie (fairly yummy if cooked properly, and still only $1 at Walmart!). If you think you saw something interesting, do let us know.

It would seem that the UFO research community found the release equally underwhelming. The Anomalist, a weirdness site I have visited daily for many years, linked to several reactions to the release in its entries for May 11 and May 12: https://www.anomalist.com/.

FWIW, an Arizona law firm where I was a partner used a court reporter who had also been used by NASA during the moon missions. He said there was both the public transmission and a private one. Technology was so primitive that they used court reporters to transcribe the private line. He said he heard astronaut Michael Collins have some sort of mental or emotional breakdown but never heard anything juicy in the UFO vein.

                                                                **  GETAWAY" CAR UPDATE   **

    I have just discovered 2 seconds of film footage showing what I believe was an intended "getaway" car parked directly across from the TSBD.

Oh, goody

This car measures 17.5 Feet Long, and stands close to 5 Feet Tall. It is a massive automobile. This New footage of the car, is the closest images of the car that I have seen. The closeness of these new images includes the license plate, though the letters/numbers remain obscure. That said, I am hoping that the State and Year of the' license plate being issued can be discerned. A possible out of state plate would be an immediate Red Flag,

Of course it would. What reason would somebody from out of state have to visit downtown Dallas?

though the license plates of Texas and Illinois (Chicago connection), during this time period were extremely similar. There is also the possibility of a stolen license plate being attached to this car.

The plot thickens.

    I can tell you that this new footage clearly shows NO TICKET being tucked under the windshield wipers of this car. Had the car been parked alongside the Island before Dealey Plaza was blocked off from thru traffic, it most likely would have been ticketed for being parked inside a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone. This car Not being ticketed is further evidence of it being parked alongside the Island AFTER shots were fired at the JFK. This remains a very active investigation.

                               .....................................   STAY  TUNED   ............................................

I think you've nailed it, Columbo. Fame and fortune awaits you.

   I ask you to look "outside of the box", and instead you give me the hackneyed, "you didn't get the memo". You make my point for me.

After using the hackneyed expression "outside of the box", you complain about me responding in kind. That's funny.

Royell, does it ever occur to you that (1) you constantly accuse folks who have been deeply involved in the JFKA for decades of not having done their research and not being up to speed while (2) you yourself continue to propose completely absurd theories and to see things that absolutely no one else sees? Is there not a bit of a disconnect here? You always have this mysterious cadre of "high-level researchers" in the background who supposedly share your views, and you always promise far more than you and "they" ever deliver. Like more than one active participant on this forum, you are starting to sound - yes, let's say it out loud - completely insane. I would like to think that you and your fellow sanity-challenged participants were just playing a game, having fun with JFKA nonsense as I try to do, but I fear that for you and them the nonsense is serious stuff and what you actually believe. The Young Earthers and Flat Earthers make a far better case for their lunacy than you have ever made for ANYTHING. If you're serious, it's frightening. What's even more frightening is that you're far from alone.

    Try and confine your "observations" to 29:30. People want to swear by the JFK Assassination "Images", until they don't. As Detective Joe Friday used to say when questioning an eyewitness, "Just the FACTS, just the FACTS". What do you See on your frame-by-frame examination of 29:30?