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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:19:50 AM »
JC-

Yes, you are correct about AI.

In this case, AI-Gemini accurately summarized the historical record on LBJ instructions to Warren and Russell.

You may regard my human intelligence with low regard, and have expressed as much many times, but I used human intelligence to monitor the AI intelligence results.

I regard you as a smart guy, who happens to have different views on the JFKA than me.



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Corbett is pretending to not notice the extensive evidence of a covert background for Oswald and accompanying pattern and interactions...Oswald was the only Marine who was allowed in to the Japanese district where CIA was spooking Russian contacts with Japanese prostitutes at expensive nightclubs...I believe what was really happening there was Oswald was offering to become a double agent in order to get bona fides before his "defection" to Russia...

Now all you need is actual evidence Oswald had any accomplices in the assassination.
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Still waiting for someone to explain how Oswald knew about the obscure Swiss Albert Schweitzer College...

Was that some kind of classified information?
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Corbett is pretending to not notice the extensive evidence of a covert background for Oswald and accompanying pattern and interactions...Oswald was the only Marine who was allowed in to the Japanese district where CIA was spooking Russian contacts with Japanese prostitutes at expensive nightclubs...I believe what was really happening there was Oswald was offering to become a double agent in order to get bona fides before his "defection" to Russia...

Still waiting for someone to explain how Oswald knew about the obscure Swiss Albert Schweitzer College...
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It could mean; removed, received or recovered
 ::) It does not say "removed"

You're right it doesn't. It has a misspelled word and all we can do is take an educated guess as to what word they meant to type. I did just discover that on the first page of this thread, you chose to correct "recoved" to "removed" so apparently you thought that was most likely what they meant. Removed or recovered would pretty much mean the same thing in this context. Of the three possibilities you listed, "received" seems to be the farthest removed from "recoved" spelling wise. We would have to believe they typed "o" where they meant to type "ei". Received would have a much different connotation than removed for recovered.
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I tend to believe 50% of the official story the rest not so much.

Tell us which half you don't believe and why.
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Of course, it matters.  ???

Tell us why it matters. Tell us why either placement of the entry wound refutes the finding that Oswald fired the shot into the back of JFK's head.
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I got that from you. The premise of this thread which you spelled out in the OP is that Dr. Young received an envelope containing a bullet that had been found on the floor of the limo. If the Secret Service didn't send it to Bethesda, how did it get there? Did it just miracle its way over there?
That's even sillier. The Secret Service had possession of the car and they were searching it for evidence. Do you really think they would let two Navy non-coms have access to the car. It seems you have embellished this story quite a bit. Cite your source that says these two NCOs were the ones who searched the limo and found the bullet and bone fragments. I'm betting right now that if you do actually cite a source, what it says is nowhere close to what you have claimed.
You haven't refuted jack. You spew  BS: and claim it is a refutation.
You don't report facts. You present unconfirmed rumors or your FUBAR interpretations of what other people have said. Your postings are a bad joke that don't amount to anything.
I'm not going to spend another hour doing a point-by-point rebuttal of your  BS: like I did last night. That is at least 55 minutes more than your nonsense deserved. It has been acknowledged that the Bethesda team and the FPP placed the entry wound in the back of the head in different locations. It doesn't matter which of them got it right. What matters is they all agreed the entry wound was in the back of the head and that fits the finding that Oswald fired the shot from the sniper's nest, which is what all the forensic evidence indates.

Of course, it matters.  ???
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There is nothing complicated about the JFK assassination. A lowly paid laborer learned the POTUS was going to ride past his workplace in a slow moving open top car and for reasons known only to him, he smuggled his cheap, war surplus rifle into work, found a secluded spot on the 6th floor and lay in wait. When the POTUS arrived, he waited for the limo to pass the window he was waiting at, then stuck his rifle out the window and fired three shots, striking him with two, and killing him with the third shot to the head. End of story.

I tend to believe 50% of the official story the rest not so much.
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Firstly, this version of Bell is FAR superior to the one I was using and will be far more helpful, so thanks for that.
I'd like to go slowly to piece together my thinking here. The first thing I'd like to clear up is your comment in an earlier post that in the Bell film Weigman can be seen walking towards Zapruder. As far as I can tell this is not correct but I might be misunderstanding something so I'd like to clear it up. It's not a 'gotcha' or anything, just a genuine attempt to work this timeline out.

In the Bell film we see the limo enter the underpass followed by 3 cars. The camera then quickly pans to the right and shows us the GK area, where we see Zapruder and Sitzman making their way from the plinth and, as it pans across, Weigman in a prone position from where he was filming the Hesters:



This is the moment just before there is a cut/jump in the film.
We can see Weigman lying on the steps. He has just finished filming the Hesters (Mr Hester can be just about made out in the shadows of the pergola, Mrs Hester is getting up from her prone position). Weigman turns around and starts to get up. In the bottom left corner we can see Hargis stood by the lamp post.

The film then cuts/jumps to the scene below. There is no way to tell how much time has passed but a few things have changed - Altgens has appeared out of nowhere, Weigman is now filming the Newmans and Hargis is now running across the road:



Do you agree that the Bell film does NOT show Wegman walking towards Zapruder?
Do you agree there is no way to tell, just by watching the Bell film, how much time has passed between these two images because of the cut/jump?
Do you agree that Weigman has moved from his position filming the Hesters to his position filming the Newmans?

Again, no 'gotchas', just honest questions.


                                                                          YOU TUBE

                  "Did The Umbrella Man Signal The Shot That Killed JFK?"    By - WW2 Mememto  (17:19)

            From 10:38 - 11:31  =  a panning sequence showing the Uncropped Bothun Photo. On the (L) it shows Motorcycle Officer Hargis riding away on his motorcycle. On the (R) it shows Motorcycle Officer Haygood just entering the photo. In between these 2 bookends, it shows the Newman family on the ground, Altgens walking DOWN the knoll toward Elm St, Wiegman filming Officer Haygood as he rides down Elm St, The Cuban and Umbrella Man sitting on the retaining wall, the Chism family beginning their sprint across the knoll, etc. This crystal clear image will assist you in your time stamping. Our Forum "photo gallery" also includes this Bothun Photo, but it is nowhere near as clear as this photo is displayed on YOU TUBE. And remember, the earlier a time stamp you apply to the Wiegman footage, the earlier you are also placing this Man walking down the sidewalk that runs from the Shelter to Elm St on the (E) side/TSBD side of the RL Thornton sign.
          The image of Wiegman running toward Zapruder is on the Bell Film BEFORE the still frame you posted.
          For the record, I do not believe that Wiegman was laying on the ground when he filmed the Hester's. Why would he lay down when filming? Do you know of any other time he laid down when filming that day? I also do Not believe that Wiegman ever climbed atop those steps. I believe Wiegman was Standing on the grass just in front of those steps when he filmed the Hester's. After filming the Hester's, Wiegman started moving (W) on the grass in the direction of Zapruder above and in front of him. What we are seeing on the Bell Film is Wiegman is FALLING. The Bell Film shows the Wiegman figure to be in the position of falling toward the ground. Who gets UP from the ground like we see Wiegman on the Bell Film? Nobody does. There are only 2 explanations for Wiegman's body position on the Bell Film still frame you posted. Either Wiegman is: (1) FALLING to the ground, (maybe he tripped?), or, (2) he is willfully DIVING to the ground. Wiegman did say he felt the "compression" of a bullet on his face during his segment on, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003).
          With respect to the Wiegman Film being deemed "filmed continuously" for 30 yrs, we really have no idea what was being viewed on the Wiegman Film during that time period. Dating back, on this Forum, there was a letter posted from Gary Mack directly addressing this "filmed continuously" issue. And remember, NBC has steadfastly REFUSED to release their Original Wiegman Film. Same goes for NBC and their Original Darnell Film.

                                                                      Your Questions

      (1) The Bell Film DOES SHOW Wiegman moving (W) toward Zapruder. Your posted Bell Film still frame is too late to show this.

      (2) As to estimating the time passage between the 2 images due to the "cut/jump", this is why I mentioned Wiegman being in the process of falling to the ground on the Bell Still Frame you posted. How long was Wiegman on the ground, before he got up and then ran down the Knoll to film the Newman Family? This is yet another variable that is Unknown.

     (3) Yes, I agree that Wiegman did move from filming the Hester's to filming the Newman's.

            That Uncropped Bothun Photo shows Officer Hargis riding away as we see Wiegman filming Officer Haygood entering the Bothun photo on the (R). Hargis gave WC Testimony that he left his motorcycle, crossed Elm St, went up to that "little wall", eyeballed the top of the Triple Underpass where he thought a shot came from,  moved to the light pole, eyeballed the TSBD, and then returned to his motorcycle on the other side of Elm St. How long do you believe it took Officer Hargis to do ALL of this? And, I thought we were seeing Officer Hargis still near his motorcycle on the early frames of the Wiegman Film that show the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass?

                                                           Thanks again for tackling this timeline issue.
                                 

     
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There is nothing complicated about the JFK assassination. A lowly paid laborer learned the POTUS was going to ride past his workplace in a slow moving open top car and for reasons known only to him, he smuggled his cheap, war surplus rifle into work, found a secluded spot on the 6th floor and lay in wait. When the POTUS arrived, he waited for the limo to pass the window he was waiting at, then stuck his rifle out the window and fired three shots, striking him with two, and killing him with the third shot to the head. End of story.
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