JFK Assassination Forum

LOL!

Nice try,

He said it felt as though he'd been hit in the back with a fist.

…In his own accounts of the November 22, 1963, assassination in Dallas (including his autobiography and interviews), he described the impact of the bullet that struck him as feeling like a powerful blow to the back, such as being hit with a fist.

Key quotes include:

From his autobiography excerpt: “In the middle of [sic; about 1/8 of] my turn [back to his left to look over his left shoulder to see if JFK was okay after having tried to do so over his right shoulder, as we can see him trying to do in Z-177], I felt a thud, as if someone had pounded me on the back with a fist, a blow so hard I doubled over.” He noted it was not a sharp, searing pain but a heavy impact, after which he saw blood on his shirt and realized he’d been hit.

Not only was it not a sharp searing pain he said there was no pain at all.  Impact is not pain. Connally said he felt no pain until he reached Parkland. You really should read his testimony (4 H 145)



When he arrived at Parkland he tried get up and then experienced pain.  It was excruciating pain and hecollapsed.

This description is frequently cited in discussions of the Warren Commission’s single-bullet theory, as Connally initially thought the first shot (which hit President Kennedy) had missed everyone, and he didn’t immediately realize he’d been wounded until feeling that impact (widely interpreted as the second shot). The Zapruder film timing and his reactions have been debated, but his wording about the “fist” sensation is consistent across his testimony and recollections.

I agree that he did not realize he was wounded and it wasn’t until the second shot impact that he realized he had been hit. But I didn’t think you agreed that he was wounded before the second shot.

This comes directly from Connally’s own words, not secondhand reports.

Yes. That is why it is good to actually read the sources and not just rely on AI.

Nellie said he recoiled (4 H 147):



One might expect to see sudden fairly uniform movement of the body from such an impact - movement that is not associated with any muscle movement. Where does that occur?

Regarding the Limo turn onto Elm.

We already have a view of the turn, and it seems to go off without a problem.

At least 3- films show the Limo turning:

Towner, Dorman, Hughes.

And Towner's clip, IIRC, ends about a second before Zapruder picks up on the action, Dorman's clip is all over the place, and Hughes' clip, like Towner's clip, ends before Oswald fired his first (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124," but does catch his moving around in the Sniper's Nest window in his white t-shirt.


The "problem" didn't occur during the turn, itself, Robin.

The "problem" occurred a couple of seconds later at "Z-124" (see above).

So, you want this forum to believe that somehow, we are not seeing this 17.5-foot-long and almost 5-foot-high boat-of-a -car on the Wiegman Film?

Dear Royell,

Please note the distinctive "rocket ship flared-exhaust" design on the rear half of the car.

You never did answer my question:

What kind of strange-looking car is that to the left of "Fedora-Man-On-The-Island" in Wiegman, and why does it have the same kind of design on it that this beauty has?

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-- Tom

Connally said he did not feel pain until he got to Parkland and got out of the car. So, the expression on his face is not pain. Perhaps it is fear -- the fear, having just heard a rifle shot, that an assassination of the President was underway.

LOL!

Nice try,

He said it felt as though he'd been hit in the back with a fist.

ME: Did Governor Connally say it felt as though he'd been hit in the back with a fist?

GROK: Yes, Governor John Connally did say exactly that.

In his own accounts of the November 22, 1963, assassination in Dallas (including his autobiography and interviews), he described the impact of the bullet that struck him as feeling like a powerful blow to the back, such as being hit with a fist.

Key quotes include:

From his autobiography excerpt: “In the middle of [sic; about 1/8 of] my turn [back to his left to look over his left shoulder to see if JFK was okay after having tried to do so over his right shoulder, as we can see him trying to do in Z-177], I felt a thud, as if someone had pounded me on the back with a fist, a blow so hard I doubled over.” He noted it was not a sharp, searing pain but a heavy impact, after which he saw blood on his shirt and realized he’d been hit.

In a 1965 interview and other retellings, he referred to it as feeling “like a fist hitting my shoulder” or “back with a closed fist.”

This description is frequently cited in discussions of the Warren Commission’s single-bullet theory, as Connally initially thought the first shot (which hit President Kennedy) had missed everyone, and he didn’t immediately realize he’d been wounded until feeling that impact (widely interpreted as the second shot). The Zapruder film timing and his reactions have been debated, but his wording about the “fist” sensation is consistent across his testimony and recollections.


This comes directly from Connally’s own words, not secondhand reports.

@JC : So you don’t think Oswald was wearing ANY jacket when he left TSBD?

Definitely not.

My regard for witness testimony has always been consistent. If what they said fits with the other evidence, I believe them. If it doesn't, I don't. Not because I think they lied. I just don't see any reason for them to remember details that would have seemed unimportant to them at the time they saw those details.