51
JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:48:09 PM »

He has the same body shape as Shelley and is wearing the same clothing - a baggy black suit with the trousers tight towards the bottom of the leg.
He even appears to have the same kind of hairstyle.
And the guy on the steps is wearing a plaid shirt. Molina was wearing a white shirt.
Molina specifically stated in his WC testimony that he never talked to a female on the steps (d'oh)
Molina testified that he spoke to Gloria in the lobby.
Why do you prefer, as an indication of when the first shot occurred, Zapruder's jiggling of his camera to Elsie Dorman's finger's slipping off the "filming now" button at approximately "Z-124" and around Z-222, too?
In 2008, Dale Myers wrote:
"Elsie Dorman told Sixth Floor Museum curator Gary Mack in the early 1980’s that she remembered that the first shot was very loud, sounded like it came from behind her (i.e., from inside the building), and that she stopped filming just after the first shot. Elsie Dorman, who died in 1983, had filmed the motorcade from a fourth-floor window of the Depository. [Max] Holland and [Kenneth] Scearce cite my work on the synchronization of amateur films of the Kennedy motorcade (Epipolar Geometric Analysis of Amateur Films Related to Acoustics Evidence in the John F. Kennedy Assassination) as supportive of their theory [that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot was fired just before Zapruder resumed filming], noting that Dorman stopped her camera three times – first at a point 0.12 seconds before Zapruder began [sic; resumed] filming the limousine (i.e., Z133); a second time at the equivalent of Z228, just after the second shot; and a third and final time at the equivalent of Z411, about five seconds after the last shot."
Why do you prefer, as an indication of when the first shot occurred, Zapruder's jiggling of his camera to Elsie Dorman's finger's slipping off the "filming now" button at approximately "Z-124" and around Z-222, too?
In 2008, Dale Myers wrote:
"Elsie Dorman told Sixth Floor Museum curator Gary Mack in the early 1980’s that she remembered that the first shot was very loud, sounded like it came from behind her (i.e., from inside the building), and that she stopped filming just after the first shot. Elsie Dorman, who died in 1983, had filmed the motorcade from a fourth-floor window of the Depository. [Max] Holland and [Kenneth] Scearce cite my work on the synchronization of amateur films of the Kennedy motorcade (Epipolar Geometric Analysis of Amateur Films Related to Acoustics Evidence in the John F. Kennedy Assassination) as supportive of their theory [that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot was fired just before Zapruder resumed filming], noting that Dorman stopped her camera three times – first at a point 0.12 seconds before Zapruder began [sic; resumed] filming the limousine (i.e., Z133); a second time at the equivalent of Z228, just after the second shot; and a third and final time at the equivalent of Z411, about five seconds after the last shot."
You really show your ignorance with this one.
The reason exit wounds are usually larger than entrance wounds is because lead bullets will deform when striking a body whether they hit bone or soft tissue. A deformed bullet will not make a nice neat round exit wound. Oswald was firing a FMJ bullet. These bullets do not deform when striking soft tissue. They make the same size hole going out as they do coming in when they don't strike bone. Lead or lead nosed bullets are more common and an experienced ER doctor like Perry would have seen more exit wounds caused by soft lead bullets than FMJ bullets. It's amazing that somebody who has been at this as long as you have needs that explained to you.
Oswald was firing a FMJ bullet.
You don't get to dictate what options WC defenders have. We get to decide that.
The back wound was unquestionably an entrance wound. If the throat wound was also an entrance wound, there was no exit for either wound. That means there should have been two bullets in the body. There were none. These bullets apparently vanished inside JFK's body. That requires not one but two Magic Bullets.
Just a reminder that the only theory that WC apologists can offer to explain the throat wound's small size and entry-like appearance is the impossible shored-wound theory. We know from Humes' own notes that Dr. Perry told him the wound was only about 5 mm in diameter. In his 11/22/63 notes, Dr. Perry
The Parkland doctors said the throat wound had “no jagged edges or stellate lacerations” (6 WH 3), had “relatively smooth edges (6 WH 54), and was “rather clean” (3 WH 372).
In addition, two of the Parkland doctors seemed to indicate the wound had an abrasion collar; one of them specifically said it had bruising around its edges (7 HSCA 302; 6 WH 42). When Dr. Perry was interviewed by Harold Weisberg, he specified that the throat wound had an abrasion collar. Entry wounds usually have abrasion collars, while exit wounds usually do not.
Again, the only theory that WC defenders have offered to explain the throat wound's small size and entry-like appearance is the impossible shored-wound theory. Even today, some WC apologists still cite the theory to explain the throat wound, unaware the theory has been debunked.
The worst evasion here is you avoiding answering how the man you are labeling Shelley has an obviously too stocky body to be Shelley...

I assume the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell is the best extant copy...It should therefore be obtained, scanned, and analyzed...It will show Joe Molina as being the man in front of Calvery on the steps...Molina said in testimony that after the shots he drifted in the direction of the Knoll on the top platform of the front steps and then descended the steps and headed to the Knoll...You are seeing him in that process in Couch/Darnell...Since their clothing indicates that the pair fast-walking up the extension are Lovelady & Shelley the man on the steps has to be Molina...We can see that most sources on both Greg Parker's site and The Education Forum claim the man on the steps is Lovelady...They are wrong...It is Molina...Throw in Stanton as Prayer Man and I am being disallowed membership by people who don't know how to do basic photo identification analysis...Parker and Kamp have seriously damaged good research...
Shelley was later found out by Dallas reporter Dean Glaze to be CIA...The conspirators needed Victoria Adams' claim discredited so they got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and say they left the steps 3 minutes after the shots...The Couch/Darnell Film is the reality and it shows Lovelady & Shelley leaving the steps in synchronicity with the testimonies of the other witnesses who said Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps and then went up to the Knoll...Couch/Darnell shows the reality of what happened and Lovelady & Shelley took off from the steps at around 20 seconds after the shots...The men are definitely Lovelady & Shelley because you can see their clothing on those men in the best resolution images...The two men are also exactly where Lovelady & Shelley would be according to the testimonies of others...
Adams & Styles bolted from the 4th Floor window and bolted down the NW staircase...They squeaked out the rear exit ahead of everyone and were not seen...
If Dougherty did go up to the 6th Floor right before the shooting he did so in a way where he saw Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room, just like Carolyn Arnold did, on his way...Truly defamed Dougherty as being retarded in order to undermine his witnessing...