JFK Assassination Forum

 Why would other shooter than Oswald choose TSBD and Dealey Plaza as the place to shoot at JFK limo?

I’ve long since given up on the idea that there was more than one shooter , because one shooter , especially a well trained one is good enough at ranges less than 100 yds.

But it’s highly doubtful a professional shooter would choose this shooting of a moving target scenario when he could have easily chosen to shoot JFK somewhere else as a stationary target.

Possibilities:

A. The shooter was some other TSBD employee.
B. The shooter was a BOP survivor who had a vendetta against Oswald after discovering him in New Orleans handing out Hands Off Cuba leaflets. Or the conspirator had known Oswald while training with Alpha 66 and considered Oswald a traitorous informant.
C. LBJ sees an opportunity after the Thomas Arthur Vallee incident.

Option A  could only apply to considering
Jack Dougherty. The question is if he used the MC rifle found on the 6th floor or did he use some other rifle? If he used some other rifle, then he planted the MC rifle? Why did he do that and how did he get the MC rifle in the 1st place. What’s his problem with Oswald enough to desire to set up Oswald? What’s his motive to shoot at JFK?  Too many questions makes this an impertinence option.

Option B: is the more  probable one if  the Alpha 66 conspirator hated JFK for betraying his BOP comrades and he equally despised Oswald for being a traitor and an informant. He may even have hated Americans in Dallas Texas generally.
So this conspirator figures out how to set up Oswald and practices with an MC rifle shooting at moving targets from a high elevation. He may have  befriended Oswald, and driven Oswald to take a shot at Walker. Possibly this conspirator was one of the men at Sylvia Odios apartment. She saw Oswald with these 2 “Mexicans” as she described them, but it’s very coincidental with a story by Loran Hall and William Seymour, 2 Cubans with possible CIA and BOP history. Loran Hall claimed he had been approached to do the shooting. Whether that is merely bravado or whether it’s true is anyone’s guess.

Option C:  LBJ taking advantage of information from a possible CIA asset George DeM  that Oswald was a defector who had recently shot at Walker. Then when Thomas Arthur Vallee was apprehended in Chicago and LBJ was briefed that this guy also was a kook USMC combat vet that coincidentally was  a member of the Marxist Oswald’s strange pro Cuba organization, LBJ keeps JFK from finding out that the Marxist loose cannon Kook Oswald is in the TSBD building. LBJ encourages JFK to visit Dallas imagining that JFK might just get killed. It’s a roulette wheel plan of ill intent based on chance that the known kook Oswald likely might take a shot at JFK just as Thomas Arthur Vallee had attempted to do in Chicago.

   The above is Non-Responsive. (1) Calif claims that 80% of ALL BALLOTS CAST are done by mail. You have to KNOW the TOTAL BALLOTS CAST to arrive at a "% Counted" figure. (2) With 80% of the ballots arriving by mail, means that the ballots counted on Elect Day were 80% mail in ballots. And the votes counted on election day showed Hilton winning and Pratt running #2. In no single district statewide, or county inside the city of LA, were Hilton or Pratt losing by anything close to a 2-1 margin. This includes LA County. After election day, the ballots THEN being counted are consistently showing both Hilton and Pratt losing by better than a 2-1 margin. The Mail In ballots  counted on Election Day CLASH with the Mail In ballots being counted after election day. And the "% Counted" on election day was OVER 50% in both the Calif Gov and LA Mayor races. This is a rigged election. The basic math proves it.

But Mr. One Glove Bogus Haygood Imposter Getaway Car Huge Gates Guy, did you not read kindly and rational Mr. Payette's post that California explains that your Mysterious One Glove Imposter Percentage is, in fact, merely an estimate based on the number of ballots processed so far vis-a-vis the projected total number of votes cast? Have the Huge Gates of your mind closed on all rationality, has your reading comprehension vanished in the Getaway Car, or what? Kindly and rational Mr. Payette is unable to fathom your confusion.

Easy there, Mr. Bogus One Glove Imposter Haygood Getaway Car Huge Gates Guy. The California voter materials make clear that the percentage you find so suspicious is simply an estimate based on the number of ballots processed so far vis-a-vis the projected total number of votes cast.  When a huge state has 80% mail-in votes and will count ballots that arrive up to a week later, the system is going to appear inefficient and suspicious even when it's not. Chris Cuomo on NewsNation had an excellent segment on this. Despite all the outrcry, the number of mail-in ballots that are actually fraudulent is 0.00006% - roughly 6 in 10,000,000.

He was also an idiot. His theory that Hickey accidentally shot JFK in the back of the head is one of the most ludicrous ever presented. It's right up there with the one that says Greer shot JFK from the driver's seat of the limo.
A completely pointless exercise because Oswald took more than 6 seconds to fire his three shots.
Prima facia evidence of my earlier statement that Donahue was an idiot. The Carcano bullet that Oswald fired into the back of JFK's head did fragment as evidenced by the fact the Secret Service found the fragmented bulled in the limo the night of the assassination. If not JFK's skull, what did Donahue think caused that bullet to frament?
Kudos to Baden for that.
Sincere, honest and stupid.
Yes there was. Oswald shot JFK all by himself.
Yet it did as evidenced by the fragmented 6.5mm Carcano bullet found in the limo with two of the fragments positively matched to Oswald's rifle. How did Donahue explain that away?
Ballistic gelatin simulates what a bullet will do when passing through soft human flesh. It doesn't come close to mimicking what a bullet will do when it strikes a human skull.
Do you think homicides committed by firing a 6.5mm Carcano bullet into a human skull is a common occurrence? Do we have a large sample size of such homicides? Or are we limited to just one?
Are we supposed to believe JFK was hit in the back of the head by a ricochet from the first shot and he never reacted to it?
See above.
Were any of those test bullets fired into a human skull?
I would be interested in seeing an exact quote from Di Maio about that, not your interpretation of what he said.
On what does he base this opinion?
Donahue realized a lot of things that are just FUBAR.
Dale Meyers' work says otherwise.
Humes was not an experienced forensic medical examiner. The prosectors made numerous mistakes during the autopsy. A measurement error a half a millimeter is very plausible.
Did Donahue think that when a bullet fragments, all of the fragments exit the body on the same vector at the bullet did when it entered the skull?
Oh, goody. Another example of someone said something so it must be true.
More evidence that Donahue was an idiot.
Just what form does this reaction take. All I see is JFK starting to lower his right hand after waving to the spectators on Elm St. Is this the normal reaction of someone who has just been shot?
Bullets are generally cleaned prior to testing for ballistic matching. Any debris on the bullet could obscure the markings that are used to match a bullet recovered from a crime scene to a test bullet.
The smell of gun residue is not limited to the location of its discharge.
Donahue's theory is based on FUBAR analysis.

The level of ignorance and bias displayed in your comments is further proof that you have no business discussing the JFK assassination in a public forum. You don't even have a minimal understanding of the forensic and wound ballistics evidence in the case, nor do you seem to know anything about the substantial disagreements among your side's advocates. If you did, you would know better than to cite the fraudulent trajectory analyses of Dale Myers. It is also clear that you've read very little if any of the research of responsible scholars who reject the lone-gunman scenario.

I already quoted what DiMaio said on FMJ ammo vs. frangible ammo in a post to which you replied just last week, in my "Undeniable Proof of Fraud: The Impossible JFK Autopsy Brain Photos" thread. I'm guessing you missed this because you only skimmed through my post. It says volumes about the shallow level of your knowledge that you don't already know what DiMaio said on this issue.

You contend it's "very plausible" that Humes mismeasured the entry wound by 0.5 mm, assuming the wound was 6.5 mm instead of 6.0 mm. This is hardly "very plausible" when we're talking about a wound measured with a ruler or a caliper. A 0.5 mm measuring error of a wound less than 7 mm wide would be a rather pronounced error even for a first-year pathology student.

But you guys, since most of you go with the cowlick entry site, must not only assume that Humes mismeasured the entry wound but that he, Boswell, and Finck made the mind-boggling blunder of mislocating the wound by a staggering 10 cm, that they somehow, someway mistook a wound above the lambdoid suture for a wound 10 cm lower, 1 cm above the EOP, when they had the EOP and the lambda as fixed reference points, not to mention the hairline.

You guys must also assume that Humes, Boswell, and Finck somehow "missed" the glaringly obvious high fragment trail on the skull x-rays, or, equally mind boggling, that they mistook it for a fragment trail that was 2 inches lower, that started near different fixed reference points, and that had the opposite trajectory (low-to-high vs. high-to-low). Why must you assume this? Because the EOP-to-right-orbit fragment trail that they described in the autopsy report is nowhere to be seen on the extant skull x-rays, and because they said nothing about the high fragment trail in the autopsy report.

The woeful level of your knowledge shines through in your silly comment that the CBS rifle test was "a completely pointless exercise because Oswald took more than 6 seconds to fire his three shots." As many, many scholars have pointed out, even if one assumes that the alleged lone gunman started firing before the limo passed under the oak tree, he still would have to go 2/2 in 5.6 seconds after the limo cleared the oak tree--unless, of course, one wants to argue that the first hit on JFK happened before Z166, which no WC apologist claims. This is basic JFK Case 101 stuff, but you don't even have a handle on this foundational material. (BTW, in the WC's rifle test, which involved three Master-rated riflemen using the alleged murder weapon itself, their second and third shots missed nearly every time.)

It is comical that you would cite the limo bullet fragments as evidence that FMJ bullets shatter into dozens of fragments when they strike skulls. This is a hilarious gaffe. I notice you didn't explain how a bullet fragment that supposedly transited a human skull could end up with a jacket peeled backward 180 degrees and folded almost flat, with one edge literally forming a razor edge. Not a single bullet fragment in any of the JFK wound ballistics tests emerged with such deformation--not one.

So Norman under the window and JC being hit in the car basically corroborate each other with description of 3 shits  fired in less than 5 secs.

Connally's WC  testimony estimated the elapsed time of the shooting at between 10 and 12 seconds.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the timespan between the first shot which you heard and the shot which you heretofore characterized as the third shot?
Governor CONNALLY. It was a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don't know, 10, 12 seconds.

Maybe the shooter was using a rifle like the Rifleman Chuck Connors which could explain Norman hearing the click click sound while also recalling 3 shots fired quicker than could be probably fired using an MC rifle.

I don't know if you are being facetious or not but the only rifle in the world that could have fired the recovered bullets and shells was Oswald's Carcano.

It might explain Will Fritz picking up shells from
the the SN floor BEFORE they were photographed, carrying then around for a while and  he returns later, placing them back down in position as seen in the photographs.

I've heard that claim often. I've never seen compelling evidence that happened. There seems to be some dispute in the various accounts as to whether he picked up the shells before they were photographed.

I can't think of one time in 62 years that the JFKA has showed up in one of my dreams.

Considering the things we do dream about - some girl I had a crush on in third grade and haven't given a conscious thought to in 50+ years - doesn't this seem a bit odd? Maybe the JFKA never happened and this forum is in fact a dream nightmare?