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MG--

Thanks for your collegial comments.

Adams told the WC she may have waited up to 30 seconds before leaving for the stairs. Even that is anough time for LHO to have preceded her down the stairs.

But in one interview, Styles said it was longer than that, that Adams, had, in effect, succumbed to the lure of drama.

Garner said what she said, but then witness statements (and I worked the courts for two years) are...well, very hit and miss. I have seen witnesses blithely recount internally impossible narratives on the stand. 

LHO likely, in advance, arranged the cubbyhole into which he dropped his rifle post-JFKA, as it was between the sniper's nest and the exit. It would have taken him one second to drop the rifle in.

LHO was 24, young and lithe, had made it through Marine Boot camp.

My best guess LHO was either a look-out for the JFKA, or himself fired three rounds off towards the JFK limo. In earnest or as intentional misses (replay of the Walker shooting), I dunno.

In your scenario, how did the "real" TSBD6 sniper window shooter escape unseen? If it was not LHO, then who?

As I say, my read on the Z-film shows Connally struck at Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, so a lone gunsel with a single-shot bolt-action rifle is ruled out.

That is puzzling about the boxes being moved post-JFKA. I have no explanation.

Another interesting question is why LHO moved the rifle from the sniper's nest to the cubbyhole. Why not leave the rifle in situ?

LHO's immediate post-JFKA action and behavior is that of a man who was complicit or believed he had been framed for the JFKA.

If LHO was totally innocent, why brandish a handgun inside the Texas Theater, after entering surreptitiously? Why tell the media "I am a patsy," instead of "Oh, this must be a simple case of mistaken identity. I must resemble a suspect." Indeed, LHO saying he had been made into a patsy...suggests he knew something of a plot (even a false flag plot), and who made him a patsy.

My take is LHO was in the JFKA up to his eyeballs. Not sure how. That does not rule out a conspiracy, but IMHO, likely a very small one, maybe just Alpha 66 splinter-group types. By reputation, those guys did not need permission from anyone.

But IMHO, and caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions.

BTW I have been banned again from EF-JFKA by the crackpot martinet.
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    Oswald was Q/A'd about the Phony ID he had on him when he was arrested. He answered, "You're the cop, you figure it out". To me, there being absolutely no denial in that response confirms that he was carrying a Phony ID. Until evidence is presented placing Oswald in the sniper's nest window, he remains a "supporting" player in the JFK Assassination.
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Oswald as a KGB Asset or Double Agent?


There is an interesting footnote in “The Man Who Knew Too Much” a book largely about Richard Case Nagell, by JFKA researcher Dick Russell:

 “A May 15, 1973, memo in the files of researcher Richard Popkin recounts a conversation with former CIA official Victor Marchetti in which Marchetti reportedly offered "a theory he claimed to have heard that fits with his own picture of the chaos in the CIA; namely that the KGB has infiltrated the CIA and the CIA has infiltrated the KGB so it is impossible at the present stage to tell who is who (he mentioned a case of having been sent to meet somebody and being shown all sorts of identification and then being totally unable to tell whether he was dealing with a U.S. or Russian agent). Marchetti thinks it is the KGB branch of the CIA that killed Kennedy and that the U.S. CIA is too embarrassed to investigate and reveal the real state of affairs."      

This long-ago revelation of Marchetti’s, now more than five decades old, has been re-vivified in recent years by John Newman’s book, “Uncovering Popov’s Mole,” which posits that senior CIA’er Bruce Solie was a KGB asset, and was running LHO. 

(For background on Marchetti, see https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmarchetti.htm. Some of you may have memories jogged: Richard Popkin authored “The Second Oswald” book in 1966.)

It is difficult to challenge Marchetti’s observations as the mere fluff of an armchair historian or conspiracy buff. 

Marchetti first worked for Army Intelligence in 1951, attended college, and then joined the CIA in 1955, rising to senior positions before retiring in 1969, and thereafter, perhaps most famously, writing about the JFKA for the Liberty Lobby’s “The Spotlight” publication.

Marchetti’s also wrote the book “The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence,” and appears to have bona fides as an earnest JFKA researcher, and one who had actual “street cred.”

Marchetti’s and Newman’s observations also resonate with the narrative of still-enigmatic Richard Case Nagell, who claimed to be a double-agent (US-Soviet) who was assigned to interdict LHO’s mission, on assignment from Moscow, to assassinate JFK.

In 1992, Carl Oglesby, the nearly iconic leftist and author of many books, including several on the JFKA, authored a forward to Russell’s book, in which he wrote, “We do not yet know for example, whether Oswald was being run by the CIA or KGB, by the ONI or GRU or some as of yet unknown bureau of the Cold War, one side of the other. Nor do we know for a fact who Oswald himself believed was running him. All we may guess at, according to Russell, is that what Oswald believed to be true and the actual truth might in fact have been two very different things.”

There are other murky details linking Lee Harvey Oswald to the KGB, especially the Russian intel agency in Minsk, where LHO lived for two years while in the Soviet Union.

A KGB officer there said that he “ran” LHO, and that Marina Oswald has been a KGB asset, but that she snapped her ties to the spy agency after marrying LHO and going to the US.

From CIA files:

“IJDECANTER (a CIA asset) knew Yurshak as Belorussian KGB in Minsk in the early 1980s. Yurshak was in his late 50s then. When asked if Yurshak was bragging, he said, "no...I think that 100 percent he was involved in this Oswald case...He was stuck to his one point of view. First, never had any kind of task for Oswald to kill Kennedy. Second, that he was actually recruited and he ran him. And third, Marina was our swallow and then she rejected cooperation.”

Of course, just as one might suspect the CIA would scrub its files of connections to LHO, so one would expect the KGB or Belarus agencies to do the same.

Gimlet-eyed fans and critics of the “limited hangout” defense-tactic might believe this KGB admission that it was running LHO, but not involved in the JFKA, was in that category of dissembling.   

Add to the bubbling stew the more-recent book “Operation Dragon” written by former CIA Director James Woolsey in 2021, along former Romanian intel officer Ion Mihai Pacepa. The pair posit that LHO was KGB asset, had been brainwashed in Russia to perp the JFKA. Curiously, Woolsey and Pacepa echo Nagell’s narrative, that officials in Moscow wanted to recall LHO, but could not.

Of course, one could dismiss Woolsey’s book as written with a Cold War agenda in mind; indeed, it is the reverse mirror image of the Old Guard Left Wing and present-day MAGA-Moscow narratives of the JFKA, that blame the CIA and globalist cabals for the president’s murder.

In JFKA-land, too often the ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.

But there is more on LHO as a KGB asset: During his visit to Mexico City in late September 1963, LHO met Valerie Kostikov, senior KGB’er said to be in charge of “wet work’ in the Western Hemisphere. Yes, that includes assassinations. (There were two other KGB’ers who met with LHO at the same time, all were filmed and recorded for a 1993 PBS special, in which they confirmed they met the real LHO).

Not only that, it is now known that Kostikov had assets in the US, assets that Kostikov also met down in Mexico.

“Kostikov himself was a known Soviet intelligence agent, suspected of contact with covert Soviet assets, including Americans, operating inside the United States. He had been under CIA observation and surveillance in Mexico City, as well as during his travels in Mexico, and was known to have met with a Soviet asset (designated as “Tumbleweed”/a European then living in the United States) that the FBI was monitoring inside the United States. As recently as September 1963, Kostikov had even been placed under surveillance while traveling in northern Mexico,” report Larry Hancock and David Boylan in their recent superb book, “The Oswald Puzzle.” 

(It should be noted that Alan Dale recently related, within the Education Foundation-JFK assassination forum, that Newman does not suspect LHO of a role in the JFKA. Additionally Hancock and Boylan do not regard LHO as a suspect in the JFKA, although he may have been manipulated in surrounding events.)

A circumspect JFKA assassination buff does not blithely challenge Newman, nor Hancock and Boylan, the latter two who contend LHO was not a CIA asset, but only a misfit and a Marxist who wanted transit to Cuba. All three are serious researchers, intelligent, earnest and non-partisan, and appear lacking in agendas—the best investigators we have, IMHO.

And yet—how it is possible to understand the JFKA without explaining LHO’s involvement in the JFKA? And after 60 years of researchers hunting for a CIA operational connection to LHO or the JFKA, why has nobody found one?

One might also ponder why does the pub crawler, returning to home at night, look for his lost keys under the street lamps? That’s where the light is. But perhaps not where the keys are.

JFKA researchers pursue leads under the CIA street lamp—because  there is no light under the KGB street lamp, or that of G-2, the Cuban intel service said to have infiltrated the Cuban exile community with agents (or double agents). But the keys could be there, in the dark.

Even Marchetti, embedded with the CIA during the very years that, some contend, elements with the agency had plotted JFK’s demise, was unsure if the CIA had been involved in the JFKA, or CIA assets working for the KGB.

The HSCA

Many dismiss the WC, and justifiably so. It strikes me as more of a prosecution than an investigation.

That said the HSCA, full of smart and skeptical staffers, concluded it was LHO who fired the lethal shots on 11/22, and that there was likely a second gunman, on the GK, who either missed or fired a diversionary shot.

I happen to disagree with the HSCA. Nased upon my layman's review of the Z film, I think Gov. Connally was shot a Z-295 and JFK at Z-313...less than one second apart. Both from behind. Draw your own conclusions.

Angleton

As noted by many, James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s counterintelligence chief and putative mole-hunter, was the WC’s main contact or source of information at the agency. This has raised suspicions, but also makes sense in light of the observations of Newman and Marchetti.

If LHO was being run by KGB moles inside the CIA, then it would be Angleton who could best find that out, and massage information flowing to the WC to hide that reality—as suggested by Marchetti. 

Conclusion

At the end of the day, there are many captivating versions of the JFKA, both LN and CT, but none compelling.

The problem started on 11/22, when LHO’s confederates were not apprehended, and the problem was compounded on 11/24, when LHO was shot dead.

The WC was a posthumous prosecution, although the HSCA tended to confirm many of the WC findings.

As a result, the only JFKA suspect known beyond reasonable doubt to be in Dealey Plaza on 11/22 was LHO, so this leaves open speculation as to the ID of his co-conspirators or manipulators.

Serious researchers have ventured LHO’s confederates or handlers on 11/22 were Mafia, CIA, KGB, G-2, working for LBJ, anti-Castro exiles, splinter groups such as Alpha 66, or former spook Ed Lansdale on a revenge mission for the Diem assassinations.

After 60 years of reading about the JFKA, and maybe a dozen years reading primary documents, I have never reached a conclusion.

But the fact that CIA files are open, but not those of the KGB or G-2, should merit caution.

A few rando comments:

1) Sergei Papushin (IJDECANTER) was probably a false defector. Even "useful idiots" Milton Beardon and Sanda Grimes suggest as much in their respective books, The Main Enemy and Circle of Treason.

2) In addition to his "clearing" putative KGB staff officer Yuri Nosenko via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report in October 1968, his hiding Office of Security files on Oswald from the Church Committee and the HSCA, and his helping probable "mole" Leonard V. McCoy "lose" Nicholas Shadrin to KGB kidnappers in Vienna in 1975, a reason for believing Bruce Solie was a KGB "mole" is the fact that he told the FBI's liaison to the CIA, Sam Papich, on 4 November 1959 that the CIA knew nothing about Oswald's defection when in fact it had already received at least one cable about it (from the Navy Department), and it was probably Solie who arranged in-advance with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics for all of the anticipated incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's future defection to be sent to the Office of Security's Security Research Staff (where he was Deputy Chief) rather that to where they would normally go --- the Soviet Russia Division.

3) TUMBLEWEED / AEBURBLE was Guenter Heinz Schulz, a German national crop duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, who had been a recon pilot for Hitler, captured and interred by the British, recruited by the NKVD, released by the Brits, ostensibly "flipped" by the CIA, and shared with the FBI. In February 1963, Schulz was sent to Mexico City by the FBI/CIA to gain information on the operations of his ostensible (or actual???) boss, KGB Colonel Valeriy Kostikov. Kostikov was suspected by the CIA and FBI of being the Western Hemisphere head of Department 13*, but for only one reason -- because Kremlin-loyal triple agent KGB Major Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) at the FBI's NYC field office had told the FBI in 1962 that Kostikov's charge (pardon the pun) at the U.N., Igor Brykin, was Department 13.

4) MFF's statement, "AEBURBLE (TUMBLEWEED)'s information was what made the connection between Valeriy Kostikov and the KGB's 'Department 13'" is incorrect. See above. All Schulz did was identify Kostikov from a photo.

5) In 2013, the CIA's official historian, David Robarge, wrote that the Agency never did determine whether or not Kostikov was Department 13.


*Assassinations and Sabotage department of the KGB's First Chief Directorate (today's SVR)


To be continued . . .

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The tie was nicked by something, given the events of the day and the fact that JFK was shot in the back/neck, maybe that would be a good place to start figuring out why it was nicked.

This is your answer to all the facts I presented in my reply???

We know how the tie was nicked: It was nicked by one of the nurses when the nurses hurriedly cut away JFK's clothing after he was wheeled into the ER. One of the nurses confirmed this to Rockefeller Foundation fellow and investigative journalist Henry Hurt, and Dr. Charles Carrico confirmed to Harold Weisberg that he saw no nick on the tie and no slits in the shirt until after the nurses began cutting away the clothing. Weisberg was able to see the jagged edges of a blade cut in one of the slits under magnification, confirming that it was made by a sharp blade and not by a bullet. This also explains why no fabric was missing from the slits and why no metallic traces were found around the slits.

JFK’s back required the use of large amounts of painkillers to control the pain. How do you account for that in all of your SWAG assumptions on his reaction times. Can Knotts Lab whip you up a little cartoon to help? Isn’t the whole basis of your beliefs is that everyone reacts exactly the same way with no variance.

Now why would JFK have taken "large amounts of painkillers" before the motorcade when he knew he would be sitting in a comfortable cushioned seat in his limousine virtually the whole time?

But, hey, if you want to assume that JFK's reactions were delayed because of pain killers, that creates even more problems for the SBT. Lattimer, to his credit, admitted that JFK's Z225 reaction proves he must have been hit no later than Z221, which destroys the Z224-lapel-flip SBT. So, if you want to push back the moment of impact a few frames or several frames by assuming a drug-related delayed reaction, that means JFK was hit as early as Z215, and no later than Z218, which just wreaks further havoc on the SBT.

Similarly, if we assume a drug-induced delayed reaction for JFK's wound reaction that starts at Z200, as established by the HSCA's photographic experts and by Olson and Turner in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, this means the bullet hit several frames earlier than the Z186-190 timeframe determined by the HSCA experts. Oh, wait, my bad: I forgot that you guys deny all the reactions that indicate JFK was hit by Z190 because such an early hit destroys your version of the shooting. So, please excuse the intrusion of unwanted facts.

Furthermore, pain killers would have had no effect on JFK's Z226-232 reaction in which JFK's torso is visibly knocked forward and his forearms and hands are flung upward, obviously resulting from the impact of a bullet. But you guys universally ignore the Z226-232 reaction because it destroys your version of the shooting, even though it is the second-most obvious and dramatic reaction in the Zapruder film.

Any breakthrough on explaining JBC's wounds other than a bullet passing through JFK?

HUH??? How about the explanation given by Connally himself--you know, the guy who actually experienced the shooting--and by both of the doctors who operated on him??? How about the original FBI explanation, which was that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets? How about the obvious fact that a bullet could have very easily missed JFK and then hit Connally, since Connally was seated a few inches to the left of JFK?

How about the fact that Connally's back wound and interior chest wound prove that the bullet that him was not tumbling and did not hit him sideways, contrary to what the SBT requires? His back wound was only 1.5 cm wide, not 3 cm wide, contrary to what the SBT must assume, and the wound tract through his chest was not wide but rather narrow, so much so that when the bullet smashed 5 inches of rib bone it did little damage to the surrounding tissue in the process. Dr. Shaw noted that the bullet created a "small tunneling wound" and that it "stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it." So, poof, there goes the SBT myth that the bullet was traveling sideways when it hit Connally's back and when it tore through his chest.

You see, as I'm sure you know, the small amount of deformity done to CE 399 proves that whatever it hit, it hit while traveling sideways. This is part of the reason for the myth that CE 399 was flying sideways when it hit Connally's back and when it tore through his chest. Yet, we have known from the beginning, way back in 1964, that Connally's back wound and interior chest wound refute this myth.

How about the historic 2023 Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis, the most sophisticated and data-intensive SBT trajectory study ever done, that proves the SBT is impossible because JFK's and Connally's wounds do not line up in a trajectory back to the sixth-floor window, just as NASA's Thomas Canning implied to the HSCA when he admitted that he had to ignore the FPP's location for JFK's back wound in order to get it to line up with Connally's back wound?

How about the fact that JFK's tie had no hole through it, which clearly destroys the SBT in one fell swoop? We have undeniable photographic proof that JFK's tie was neatly centered in the middle of the collar band, and we know where the shirt slits were. Anyone with two functioning eyes and a modicum of reasoning ability can understand that no bullet could have exited the slits without tearing through the tie, and that no such bullet could have magically weaved around the body of the tie knot, like a miniature guided missile, and nicked the top of the knot near the left edge.

We've known that JFK's tie had no hole through it since the 1990s, when Harold Weisberg finally got the FBI to provide high-quality photos of both sides of the tie, yet you guys, incredibly, are still in denial about this hard physical evidence.

The refusal of SBT believers to face the hard physical evidence that self-evidently refutes the theory is nothing short of cult-like. You guys are just about as unreasoning and unserious as Flat Earthers, Moon-landing deniers, and 9/11 Truthers.



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I think LHO simply went down the stairs before Adams/Styles.

That's impossible, for a number of reasons.

One, Adams and Styles--and Garner--were on the stairs no more than 30 seconds after the last shot, and they were coming from the fourth floor. The Stroud memo proves that Adams went down the stairs before Garner saw Truly and Baker coming up the stairs, keeping in mind that Garner was about 20 feet behind Adams and Styles on the stairs. Both Styles and Garner confirmed that Adams and Styles headed down the stairs "within a matter of moments" after the shooting; indeed, Styles said they headed down the stairs right after they saw Clint Hill climb onto the back of the limo. There is just no way Oswald could have been on the stairs before Adams and Styles were.

Two, hiding the rifle would not have been a quick action but would have taken at least 15 seconds, bare minimum.

Three, even in the WC's royally rigged reenactment, the stand-in took at least 75 seconds to get from the sixth-floor window to the second-floor lunchroom.

Four, Truly was running well ahead of Baker and was already heading up the stairs to the third floor when Baker allegedly spotted Oswald walking into the second-floor lunchroom through the closed or nearly closed foyer door. No one has yet explained how Oswald could have gone through the foyer door in time to be seen by Baker without first being seen by Truly.

If Oswald had gone through the second-floor foyer door before Truly reached the top of the second-floor stairs, he would have been several feet beyond the door by the time Baker reached the landing, and thus would not have been visible to Baker through the window (and keep in mind that in an earlier statement, Baker said that when he first saw Oswald, Oswald was already standing in the lunchroom). But, if Oswald had entered the foyer door "only a second or two" before Baker reached the second-floor landing, per Baker's revised story, then Truly could not have missed seeing Oswald approaching the foyer door. The answer is simple: Oswald did not come down the stairs after the shooting because he left the sixth floor 20-25 minutes before the shooting.

Five, significantly, James Jarman, who watched the motorcade from the fifth-floor window directly under the sixth-floor sniper's nest, said he heard no movement above him after the shots were fired. This is important because Jarman said he could hear bullet shells hitting the floor above him during the shooting. Yet, he heard no sounds of movement immediately after the shooting. This makes complete sense if we assume the man in the window was not Oswald. The man stayed in the window for several minutes and did not begin moving boxes around until at least 30 seconds after the shooting.

Four, Mrs. Lillian Mooneyham was a law clerk who worked in the Criminal Courts Building. She told the FBI soon after the assassination that she saw a man standing in the sixth-floor window four to five minutes after the shots had been fired. From her position at the window on the west side of the County Courts Building, Mrs. Mooneyham had an excellent view of the TSBD. She was a highly credible witness who reported what she had seen in a straightforward, matter-of-fact manner. The Commission made no effort to refute her account, nor did it attack her credibility nor claim she could not have seen what she said she had seen. So, what did the Commission do with this credible and important account? Nothing. The Commission simply ignored it. The man Mrs. Mooneyham saw could not have been Oswald.

In 1968 David Lifton obtained an FBI report from the National Archives which said that a witness at a window on an upper floor of a nearby building had told a Dallas lawyer that she saw "some boxes moving" in the sixth-floor window soon after the shooting. In 1979 the HSCA's photographic experts determined from photographs of the sixth-floor window taken seconds after the shooting and about two minutes after the shooting that boxes were being rearranged "within 2 minutes after the last shot was fired at President Kennedy" (6 HSCA 109). Obviously, Oswald could not have been moving boxes around in the window less than 2 minutes after the shooting, nor could he have been the man seen by Mrs. Mooneyham.

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MG-

I think most JFKA researchers have concluded the WC was a prosecution, not an investigation.

But I think you should also review the HSCA, which struck me as a lot of smart and skeptical guys, and their conclusions.

The HSCA concluded LHO was the lone gunman who fired shots that struck JFK, but that there likely was a gunsel on the GK also.

It may be LHO was involved in the JFKA up to his eyeballs.

The HSCA was a big improvement over the WC, but the HSCA also pulled a lot of punches, got some things wrong, and did not have the benefit of the information and research that came along in the 1990s. For starters, they didn't deal with the evidence that Oswald was not on the sixth floor during the shooting. That evidence has grown in the years following the HSCA with the discovery of the Stroud memo and the interviewing of Adams, Styles, and Garner, proving that Oswald could not have been on the sixth floor during the shooting since he could not have been on the stairs before they were.

The HSCA's authentication of the backyard rifle photos was truly awful, as I explain in "The HSCA and Fraud in the Backyard Rifle Photos" (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JiOqKWO-XJSO-z_lk6bSgUBXq_vD1yZs/view). The PEP experts stared right at clear evidence of fakery in their Penrose analysis and parallax measurements but ignored it. Their alleged duplication of the variant shadows was so transparently bogus that Congressman Fithian got one of the PEP members to admit that the reconstruction was not realistic (the mannequin's head was turned so far to the side that it was almost not facing the camera, among other issues).

On other hand, the HSCA PEP, to its great credit, acknowledged that JFK was hit at Z186-190, a truly historic admission because the sixth-floor gunman's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the oak tree in those frames. But, to salvage the SBT, the PEP then erroneously concluded that Connally was hit by Z223 and that he starts to react in Z224, when Connally himself adamantly insisted he was not hit before Z229 and when his Z224 "reaction" (a frown and some stiffening of his upper body) was far more likely due to Connally's concern over having heard a gunshot and being worried about JFK.

The HSCA PEP, again to its great credit, also admitted that photographic evidence shows that boxes were being moved around in the sixth-floor window within two minutes of the shooting, at a time when Oswald could not have been the one moving the boxes.

The HSCA, to its great credit, found good evidence that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City, but then it sealed that evidence (the Lopez-Hardway report) for 50 years. It would still be sealed if the ARRB had not come along.

The HSCA, again to its great credit, interviewed many key autopsy witnesses, but then it falsely claimed that their descriptions of the large head wound contradicted those given by the Dallas doctors and nurses, when in fact they did not.

The HSCA's investigation into the Tippit shooting was superficial and ignored exculpatory evidence.

The HSCA's FPP was a mixed bag. They admitted that the back-wound bullet struck at an upward angle and that the wound was tunneled upward. They admitted that the WC mislocated the back wound. They found a second fragment on the outer table of the skull, but then failed to explain how it could have gotten there. They refused to conduct an SBT wound ballistics test, because they knew how it would turn out.

The HSCA did great work on the Secret Service's suspiciously bad performance, concluding that the protection may have been "uniquely insecure." Belford Lawson, the HSCA attorney assigned to investigate the Secret Service angle, did a great job. His memo on the suspicious Secret Service failures was fantastic and historic, but very little of it found its way into the final report.

The HSCA, to its great credit, acknowledged that Silvia Odio was credible and her account truthful, but it conspicuously failed to address the enormous implications of her account. The HSCA was just not prepared to admit that Oswald was being impersonated and framed for the assassination before it occurred, but at least it did not destroy the Lopez-Hardway report and did not reject Odio's account.

The HSCA's crowning achievement was the acoustical evidence of four shots and a shot from the grassy knoll, but HSCA chief counsel Blakey pressured the BBN scientists to reject the 140.3 impulse as a fifth gunshot, even though it passed the echo-delay matching test, and even though 8 of its 10 impulses matched the impulses of one of the Dealey Plaza test shots. That fifth gunshot must have been fired by a gunman in the Dal-Tex Building or the County Records Building, and Blakey feared that the Committee would not be able to stomach admitting that three gunmen fired at JFK.




 












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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Last post by Tom Graves on September 12, 2025, 10:31:15 AM »
CE399 magically appears in the FBI Crime Lab in Washington the day after the assassination.
The pointed hunting slug found by Tomlinson has absolutely nothing to with the assassination.
This pointed bullet is handed from Tomlinson to Wright to Johnsen to Rowley and it magically transforms into CE399 once it is handed to FBI agent Elmer Todd who hands it on to Frazier.
CE399 is not 'planted' anywhere, it is simply introduced into the chain of custody once it reaches the FBI.

This is why there is zero evidence linking CE399 to Parkland and evidence against that being the case. That's why you can't answer my simple question. You believe CE399 was found at Parkland because the Sham told you to believe that.

Dear Danny Boy,

You keep avoiding the implications of your "case."

You refuse to answer the questions:

1) "How did the bad guys manage to be in possession of Oswald's Carcano so they could fire CE-399 through it?"

2) How did the bad guys deform CE-399 in such a strange way?" and,

3) "Why did the bad guys deform CE-399 in such a strange way?" 

Until you can give plausible answers to these questions, you're just a laughingstock, dude.

-- Tom
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My layman's read of the Z-film is that Gov. Connally is "pushed forward" ~Z-295. Connally's testimony WC/HSCA is that he was pushed forward by the slug that hit him. Given that the slug met resistance all the way through Connally (it was taking out a rib), this makes sense.

Connally's fifth rib was struck tangentially by CE-399 after it had passed through JFK.

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This also lines up with Connally's testimony about looking over his right shoulder, seeing nothing, and then beginning to look over his left shoulder, but getting struck. Connally's wife about said the same thing.

Around Z-165, i.e., about two seconds after Oswald's first, missing-everything shot at "Z-124," Connally, having already exhibited a startle reaction and recognizing the sound as a high-powered rifle shot, started turning to his right to look over his shoulder and catch a glimpse of JFK to see if he was okay. By Z-185, however, JFK's face was turned far to his right, and his right forearm was raised in the act of waving back to the folks who were waving to him, and this combination unfortunately prevented Connally from discerning JFK's face. Failing to "see" JFK, Connally had started turning back the other way to try to see if he could catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder when both JFK and he were hit by CE-399.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

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As for deep psychological needs---who has larger ones, those who need to believe authority told them the truth about the JFKA (a Daddy complex), or those who see conspiracies under every bush?

Your peculiar framing of the question not only answers it but does so in the way I expected you to. 

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I am old now, but maybe a couple of decades of therapy and I can get normal.

Miracles never cease.

Having seen (and understood) JFK give a commencement address five months before he died, I'm probably older than you are. Regardless, I started becoming normal, JFKA-wise, about nine years ago when I realized that it didn't make sense that oodles and gobs of bad guys planned the assassination, "patsied" Oswald, shot JFK, planted false evidence, got away, altered oodles and gobs of films, photos, x-rays and documents, and have been covering up their sinister 11/22/63 actions for sixty-two years now.

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Oh, I don't rule out LHO was a lone assassin. Maybe he was.

However, my layman's read of the Z-film is that Gov. Connally is "pushed forward" ~Z-295, and JFK shot at Z-313. Z-film moves at 18 frames a second.

Draw your own conclusions.

Connally's testimony WC/HSCA is that he was pushed forward by the slug that hit him. Given that the slug met resistance all the way through Connally (it was taking out a rib), this makes sense.

This also lines up with Connally's testimony about looking over his right shoulder, seeing nothing, and then beginning to look over his left shoulder, but getting struck. There is a small round hole in the back of Connally's assassination-day shirt, thus ruling out the tumbling bullet theory.

Connally's wife about said the same thing. There is more, but that's enough for now.

I think LHO simply went down the stairs before Adams/Styles.

As for deep psychological needs---who has larger ones, those who need to believe authority told them the truth about the JFKA (a Daddy complex), or those who see conspiracies under every bush? (Outside of my field, so I don't know why people believe in crackpot theories, such as Mossad bombed WTC on 9/11).

I am old now, but maybe a couple of decades of therapy and I can get normal, just before the graveyard calls me home. Or maybe not.

You can give it a try too!

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Last post by Dan O'meara on September 12, 2025, 08:44:01 AM »
Dear Danny Boy,

IIRC, you've been asked more than three times the following questions:

How did the bad guys:

1) Take possession of Oswald's Carcano (and ammunition) without his knowing about it?

2) Return it to Ruth Paine's garage before the assassination?

3) Deform CE-399 the way it ended up: 1) with no damage to its nose, but with 2) 1/3 to 1/2 of its length flattened towards the rear, 3) a longitudinal twist, and 4) lead core extruded from its base?

4) Why did the bad guys (somehow magically) deform CE-399 the way it ended up -- with no damage to the nose, with 1/3 to 1/2 of its length flattened towards the rear, with a longitudinal twist, and with lead core extruded from its base?

Did they want people to think that it had started tumbling when it exited something soft, and that it then sideswiped something hard while it was twirling / tumbling? Because after all, that's the only way it could have been deformed the way that it was -- with no damage to the nose, but with 1/3 to 1/2 of its length flattened towards the rear, with a longitudinal twist, and with lead core extruded from its base.

If CE-399 isn't the same bullet that was allegedly "planted" on Connally's stretcher, why would the bad guys plant a pointy-nosed bullet (of the sort that O. P. Wright kept in his drawer and perhaps liked to fondle) there, instead?

-- Tom

CE399 magically appears in the FBI Crime Lab in Washington the day after the assassination.
The pointed hunting slug found by Tomlinson has absolutely nothing to with the assassination.
This pointed bullet is handed from Tomlinson to Wright to Johnsen to Rowley and it magically transforms into CE399 once it is handed to FBI agent Elmer Todd who hands it on to Frazier.
CE399 is not 'planted' anywhere, it is simply introduced into the chain of custody once it reaches the FBI.

This is why there is zero evidence linking CE399 to Parkland and evidence against that being the case. That's why you can't answer my simple question. You believe CE399 was found at Parkland because the Sham told you to believe that.
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