JFK Assassination Forum

Clint Hill has already STARTED to react as he is seen doing in the Altgens photo 6 at approx Z 255.

From Z223 to Z255  it’s about 1.5 secs. Therefore. Clint Hill beginning to move one of his feet off the lower step rail of the car at Z225 coincides approx with how fast a trained SS agent would  react to recognizing a loud noise at Z223 approx , as coming from a rifle shot.

From Z255 to Z313 it is about 3 more secs , and it’s in this duration of time that Hill is leaping, and his feet hit the ground and he starts to run towards the JFK limo. This is all happening just BEFORE Z313.

And most notably it’s in this next 3 second duration of time as Clint Hill leaps from the foot rail of the car and begins to run , that he heard the 2nd shot BEFORE he heard and saw the effects of  the 3rd shot at Z313.

So this is an unresolved anomaly for the WC conventional 3 shots spread over 7-8 secs because if Hill reacted to a Z 233 shot as the 1st shot he heard thus causing him to react by Z 255, then the 2nd shot he heard just  before Z313, is highly improbable to have been fired from the MC bolt action rifle , since all 3 shots were fired in only 4.8 secs.

Thus is why the WC suggested an early (missed the whole limo ) 1st shot idea ( really absurd it would seem ) if not for a possibility of the TSBD shooter accidentally squeezing trigger AS he leaned over to rest the rifle on the boxes he had arranged to serve as a firing platform.

This unaimed accidental trigger squeeze by the TSBD shooter could be plausible EXCEPT that it would is inconsistent with  the 2/3rds  of witness hearing a rapid 3 shot sequence as 1….2.3 . Furthermore, Harold’s Norman’s recollection of 3 shots fired as quickly  as 4-5 secs is coincidentally matching with Clint Hills reaction beginning at Z255 and his recollection of the last 2 shots being very close together.

On the day of the assassination the DRE contacted Joannides and told him they had interacted with LHO in New Orleans that summer and had a tape of a radio debate with him. The DRE asked Joannides what should they do, to which Joannides replied to wait a while and he would get back to them. Despite this order, the DRE went ahead and published some negative articles about LHO without consulting Joannides.

The question is, why was it only on the day of the assassination that the DRE first decide to tell their case officer about LHO?

One possible explanation can be found in the below document which was discussed on The Lone Gunman Podcast back in July of this year. Here is a link to The Lone Gunman Podcast for anyone you would like to hear their discussion of the document: LINK (starts at 54 minutes): .

Here are the relevant sections of the document:





As you can see, Helms told the DRE in late 1962 that if they were to make any TV appearance that they were to notify him in advance.

This brings us on to the Oswald/Bringuier radio debate in New Orleans. At the start of the radio debate (the relevant section being at 37 minutes in the below DVP video), Bringuier was introduced as the DRE delegate. Therefore, Bringuier was representing the DRE in this debate. According to the above Helms document, the DRE were supposed to notify Helms in advance if the DRE were to appear on TV. This might have reasonably been inferred to include radio too. As the radio debate occurred quiet quick on the heels of the Aug 9th Bringuier/Oswald fight, it appears the Bringuier/DRE did not get a chance, or did not bother, to inform Helms in advance. And once the debate had occurred, the DRE may have decided not to tell Joannides about LHO at all as this would amount to admitting it had broken its promise to Helms to notify him in advance of making a media appearance.

This would explain why the DRE went to the level of sending out a press release and writing to Congress about LHO before the assassination but did not inform Joannides. The DRE wanted to maximize the propaganda from the Bringuier/LHO radio debate but could not inform Joannides as this would force them to admit they had broken their promise to Helms.

I don’t know what the official explanation was the DRE gave for their failure to inform Joannides before the JFK assassination (perhaps someone here knows), but if they never did give a reason, perhaps the premise I’ve outlined here might be a possible reason.

ALL THREE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S RADIO & TELEVISION INTERVIEWS IN NEW ORLEANS IN AUGUST 1963
LINK (37 minutes):

"Proof"?

What's your definition of "proof" in this context?

I would say that the fact that seven prime witnesses, including JFK, moved their heads rapidly and consciously within half-a-second of each other about a second after the first, missing everything, shot was fired comes pretty darn close (pardon the pun).

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Hey, Andrew, if that’s your model, could you add a string running from the Daltex bldg 3rd floor window ( the one with the lower left corner dark spot = hole/ broken out glass?) to see how close it intersects with Rosemary Willis  at z190-Z195?

I’m considering a suppressed 1st shot at Z190 from Daltex 3rd floor because that’s  the floor where Braden ( the mafia guy) was seen carrying a briefcase shortly before the JFK limo arrived to Houston st.. Jim Braden had no alibi since his parole office did not verify a meeting that Braden claimed he was at.

John Mytton (the LN expert)  will probably poo poo the idea of that dark spot in the lower left corner of the Daltex 3rd story window as being just  a mirage via using his stereo flip flopping imagery analysis.

Non the less,  could it be a hole? just big enough for a shooter with suppressed short barrel rifle ( which when disassembled fits in a briefcase) to shoot a suppressed subsonic round intended to blow out the left rear tire of the JFK limo ,slowing it down and or stopping it momentarily, thus allowing more accurate fire from the TSBD shooter?

The reason I’m suggesting a suppressed subsonic shot is because it’s really only Rosemary Willis who is turning her head suddenly to look back at TSBD at about Z200 approx.

Imo , if it was loud shot from TSBD at Z190 then should not trained professionals like SS agents be reacting just as quickly as Willis did at Z 190-Z200? By  turning their heads also?

To determine where JFK was when he was between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign one needs to actually plot the sight line on a map of Dealey Plaza:



You can see that this puts JFK just past the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign, which is where Moore put him and where JFK was when he had just cleared the oak tree branches:



which is also where the Warren Commission investigators had initially determined the first shot had occurred:

Why Linda Willis, what makes her so special. Why not Jean Newman or the Chisms?