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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Gordon Arnold - The Man Who Claimed He Was Attacked By Badgeman
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:43:18 PM »
Those 3 guys whose waists are at the top of the 6' high picket fence would probably call Victor Wembanyama Shorty.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: William Niedernut and Low Follies at Education Forum-JFKA
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:36:23 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on June 01, 2026, 03:19:25 AM
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32101-the-once-and-future-education-forum-quo-vadis/

Even the staunch CT'ers at Education Forum-JFKA have turned on William Niedernut, the anti-Semitic, hardcore CT-max martinet censorian who somehow (inexplicably) became the sole active "moderator"  at the now-floundering EF-JFKA.

Going full volume 10, crank-crackpot, Niedernut doubles down on his narrative that Mossad (with accomplice US President George Bush) perped the 9/11 atrocity, proven by some Israelis purportedly seen "dancing" atop a van and viewing the disaster, way back when.

Niedernut believes his easily disproven, demented narrative of the WTC attack is a "fact."

What does 9/11 have to do with the JFKA anyway. Nothing, except in the fevered minds of of the nutcases now running and populating the EF-JFKA. 

BTW, a tip of the hat to Duncan MacRae, who runs JFK Assassination Forum and incurs none of the self-inflicted wounds that define the EF-JFKA.

Refugees from EF-JFKA: Please join this forum. LN'er and CT'ers participate, and sometimes even in a collegial manner. No unnecessary censorship.

There is one thread for OT commentary.

Simple, and it works.

Part of the problem is that the forum owner and founder, John Simkin, is a 9/11 Truther and thus seems hesitant to do anything about Niederhut. Simkin was made aware that Niederhut has imposed an 8-month suspension on me, but has done nothing about it. I, too, have encouraged the sane EF members to ditch the EF and come to this forum.

A major problem with the pro-conspiracy JFKA research community is that we allow ourselves to be portrayed as fringe, unserious, and even unhinged when we approvingly quote or include people such as James Fetzer in our discussions. Fetzer has been included in a current email chain among leading JFKA researchers.

Fetzer claims that U.S. intelligence and the Mossad were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Even worse, and incredibly, he claims that no airliners or hijackers were involved in any of the attacks, that Flight 93 did not exist, and that guided missiles and/or explosives were used to destroy the buildings and create the appearance of a plane crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. That is absolute and obscene crazy talk, and we should be repudiating this sick nonsense in the loudest, clearest terms, not quoting its spokesmen or including them in our dialogues.

To further put himself on the loony fringe of the spectrum, Fetzer has also said that America and Israel "have become the greatest threats to freedom and democracy ever known, not only in the Middle East but throughout the world." He has even praised Russia and has portrayed the murderous, terrorist-sponsoring regime in Iran as a "beacon of light in comparison to the United States." In one interview, Fetzer said that "Russia and Iran are now providing leadership for the world community. May they prosper and endure!" Iran has murdered tens of thousands of its own citizens, in addition to being the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, and Russia has murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainian citizens in its brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Fetzer's sick views put him far to the left of even the likes of Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:34:57 PM »
One of the things I find curious about all this UFO-mania is that it seems these aliens come in many different forms as do their spaceships. It almost seems like we are being visited by aliens not from another planet but from many different planets. All at once. What are the odds?

I have to say it is kind of boring restricting my beliefs to what evidence tells me. It must be so much more interesting to believe in things based on imagination and speculation.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Gordon Arnold - The Man Who Claimed He Was Attacked By Badgeman
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 01:33:37 PM »
The reality when looking at the bigger Picture.



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:29:59 PM »
Quote from: Duncan MacRae on May 09, 2026, 12:04:51 PM
Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files


As long as the U.S. Government still officially denies that the UFO sightings and even the UFO photos and video footage are not extraterrestrial aircraft, most WC apologists will come up with their usual lame excuses for dismissing this evidence as "mistaken" or "hoaxes," even though dozens of former government officials, government contractors, and military personnel, some of them quite senior in rank, have now come forward and acknowledged that UFOs exist and that the UFOs most certainly are not experimental U.S. Government/Russian/Chinese aircraft.

I worked in military intelligence for decades. These UFOs exhibit capabilities that are far beyond U.S./Russian/Chinese capabilities. The recently released Navy footage of a UFO totally debunks the notion that we're talking about classified experimental aircraft.

During my time in the military, I knew two air traffic controllers back in the 1980s and 1990s who told me they tracked UFOs traveling at speeds and doing maneuvers that vastly, drastically exceeded the capabilities of our most advanced fighter jets. One of the air recon flights that I supported in the 1980s encountered a UFO over the Mediterranean Sea. I personally talked to some of the intel operatives on that flight (since I held the same Top Secret clearance that they held), and they confirmed that they saw the UFO with their own eyes and that it outmaneuvered their recon jet like it was a horse-drawn buggy trying to deal with an Indy 500 race car.






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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Gordon Arnold - The Man Who Claimed He Was Attacked By Badgeman
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 01:17:33 PM »
Is it just possible ... just possible, I ask ... that Badgeman and One Glove Haygood Imposter are - yes! - one and the same?

Pareidolia should be outlawed, and I say this as one who has seen Jesus' face in two separate corn tortillas already this week.

I assume this is from "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," which I found to be fascinating and extremely well-done regardless of whether one agrees with it.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 01:06:03 PM »
Sorry to interrupt the JFKA Follies, but this new documentary was the subject of a segment on Elizabeth Vargas' show on NewsNation last night, and it sounded interesting enough that I coughed up $5.46 to watch it on YouTube. It is part 1 of a 2-part documentary. The filmmaker said that only a very, very small group knows the UFO Truth and that it will never be fully revealed to Congress or the public because it would fundamentally alter our understanding of the universe and our place in it, as well as destroy all spiritual traditions; this would suggest something far more consequential than "space aliens." OK, claims like this are almost passe, but we clearly are on the verge of at least some sort of "modified limited hang-out" disclosure. One thing he suggested is that the real keepers of the secrets are likely not even in government and thus not subject to oversight or FOIA-type requests. It is known beyond any doubt that the government long used Battelelle Memorial Institute, https://www.battelle.org/, to shield sensitive UFO information. Anyway, plunk down your own $5.46 or wait for my review. (The second batch of Pentagon disclosures, while scarcely "Close Encounters" sort of stuff, has clearly stunned some those who previously pooh-poohed the subject.)

https://www.accidentaltruthnext.com/



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / interesting take on the effect of the JFKA on American culture
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:39:51 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/cultural-impact-of-the-kennedy-assassination-the-shot-that-changed-america/vi-AA1Wi94p?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=6a2000347a3c43e29c3e2ad8a9e5942e&ei=19

A significant part of the narrative had to do with Beatlemania but the moderator seems to dismiss that notion given that Beatlemania was already taking hold in America. Two months later, the Beatles made their famous American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show.

There was another cultural icon that came to prominence in the wake of the JFKA that was not discussed t, that being Muhammed Ali, known then as Cassius Clay. At the time the Beatles were making their first American tour, Cassius Clay was training for his upcoming title fight with then champion Sonny Liston, a fight few gave Clay a chance to win. One of the concert stops for the Beatles was Miami where the title fight was being held and as a publicity stunt, they showed up at Clay's training camp for some staged photos. Clay had been in a cocoon while training. After the Beatles left, he turned to one of his handlers and asked, "Who were those faggots".

https://beatlesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Beatles-with-Cassius-Clay8.jpg

One point that was made was the JFKA gave birth to the 24 hour news cycle. Live onsite coverage was rare up until then but we saw tons of that during the 72 hours following the assassination, including the murder of Oswald. One thing I learned a while back was the reason the networks didn't immediately go to live coverage after first announcing that assassination was because it took about 15 minutes for the vacuum tube TV cameras to warm up to the point they would function. That's why initially the networks just flashed their BULLETIN screen while the anchor did the voice over. I think CBS cut back to the soap opera twice after first announcing the assassination before Walter Cronkite came on the air in shirtsleeves which he later admitted was considered bad form. He hadn't even thought about putting on his jacket.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: "Overthinking" (or maybe not?) the Walker attempt
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:57:41 AM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on Yesterday at 11:51:42 AM

I have often thought that if JBC had only shouted “get down” after the first shot, instead of “oh no, their going to kill us all” after the second shot, that JFK might have survived.

Had JFK reacted the way Trump did and immediately got down, he probably wouldn't have taken the fatal shot. Some have argued that his back brace helped to keep him upright in his seat. I have no opinion on that. JFK had almost five seconds to get down before the head shot but my viewing of the Z-film tells me he was in a WTF mindset, unaware of what was about to come next.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What evidence of a conspiracy would we expect to find?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:52:17 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 03:08:25 AM
LP--

Interesting question.

I think both SBT'ers-LNT'ers and CT'ers got off the track by either formulating that there was a large conspiracy, or then refuting the obvious flaws in large CT's.

A small, informal or ad hoc conspiracy, of low level Alpha 66'ers or G-2'ers, which left no written evidence behind, and which was only tangentially connected to any institution is my preferred CT narrative.

Detecting such a conspiracy would be difficult, say if LHO was dead ad the other two perps kept quiet. Then what? Who knows anything?

The WC had an inclination from the start to go LNT; we know that from LBJ's instructions to Russell and Warren. {/quote]

Do tell us what those instructions were. Documentation would be nice.
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(I can't get past Gov. JBC holding his Stetson at Z-272, or his body being thrust forward at ~Z-295.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

The evidence (there is that hallowed word!) seen in the Z-film is indisputable; Connally is pushed forward ~Z-295.

I doubt JBC could hold onto to his Stetson hat after being shot through the wrist by a large "tumbling" slug.

Yet, JFK is indisputably shot at Z-313.

The GK smoke-and-bag show indicates another perp as well.)

It must have been The Invisible Man since no one saw him. He must have been a lousy shot as well since he didn't hit anything.
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The Mafia? Possibly, but there seems to be oodles of connections between LHO and intel agencies, and very little linking him to the Mob. 

Caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions.

And still no evidence that anybody in the intelligence agencies or organized crime conspired with Oswald to kill JFK.
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