DUNCAN - Thanks for posting this Elsie Dorman still frame. I took a good look at this entire Dorman film snippet. We are Not looking at Amos Euins above. This figure is easily: (1) Too Tall, (2) Head Too Large, (3) Hands Too Large, and (4) Shoulders Too Wide.  The figure above is much larger than Amos Euins was on 11/22/63

They "avoided" it because they knew it never happened. No cop ever "stopped Oswald in the Lobby" of the Depository. Oswald was stopped only one time in the TSBD by a policeman on 11/22, and that was by Marrion Baker, of course, and that occurred in the second-floor lunchroom. That fact was verified for all time by Roy Truly (and by Baker too).

   Postal Inspector Harry Holmes was outside of the orbit of other officials and police officers who were brought under gag orders by the conspirators...Because Holmes witnessed Oswald's interrogation on Sunday morning at the Police Station from that eccentric orbit he wasn't under the same gag order as the others and he gave information he wasn't supposed to...The words Holmes said in his witnessing of Oswald's Sunday interrogation are important...

 Holmes said in very certain terms that the stopping of Oswald by the cop was in the Lobby on the 1st Floor by the front door...He added the critical detail that once that cop stopped Oswald from going out he then told Oswald to step aside and wait...

What happened here is Holmes heard talk of both stops by cops...One in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room by Baker and one in the Lobby by the deliberately unmentioned cop...Holmes, in his Warren Commission testimony, because he experienced all this from the unique perspective of Postal Inspector, who avoided the main gag order control experienced by everyone else, spoke freely and unintentionally reported dangerous information that was supposed to be covered-up...Holmes, because of his less direct position, did not comprehend that he was conflating the two stops by cops in the Depository and gave information that revealed it...

This is proven by the fact that Roy Truly's statements show a distinct difference between the Lunch Room Encounter and Holmes' version of the Lobby Encounter...Both Truly and Baker saw Oswald's lunch on the table and a Coca Cola in his hand and knew he was in there eating lunch and was therefore exonerated...That is why Truly distinctly said that when he ID-ed Oswald as an employee Baker said nothing and simply turned and ran up the stairs...Baker knew Oswald was eating lunch and was therefore not a person of interest so there was nothing more to add and he simply took off upstairs...

Proof of a second stop by a cop in the Lobby is seen in Oswald being told to step aside and wait...Since Truly said "Baker said nothing, turned, and ran up the stairs" we know that Oswald being told to step aside and wait wasn't in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...There was no reason to tell Oswald to step aside in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...The front door was the main egress to the Depository and the cop there knew that egress was about to be a busy place so after he stopped a desperate Oswald from leaving through the front door he told him to "step aside and wait" in order to keep that egress clear...We are beyond a doubt now that this is proof of a second stop...We even have a causal reason why Harvey tried to bolt out the front door when Lee, in the white T-shirt, stumbled in to the Lobby down the South East stairs...It fits perfectly and you know it...

The reason Holmes is mixing up parts of both stops and insisting this all happened on the 1st Floor by the front door is because in his Sunday interrogation witnessing he heard both true versions from Oswald's mouth and didn't realize what he was hearing because he hadn't visited the Depository...The conspirators managed to suppress this incriminating second stop by a cop because they knew it exposed the conspiracy and was extremely dangerous...The second stop in the Lobby is the key stone and epicenter of the cover-up, which is why the authorities, who did extensive examination of Marguerite's dental records, did no investigation what so ever of one of Oswald's most important moves in the Depository...The reason the Friday Interrogation notes are so fuzzy on Oswald leaving is directly because of this too...Instead of this genius level cracking of the conspiracy we are forced to listen to Bart Kamp try to force everything in to Prayer Man...And then The Education Forum works for the Commission and seals it from the board...This preventing of the solving of the case is brought to you by Jim DiEugenio and Andrew Iler...

Admit it David...I'm the best you've ever faced...
   

One of the miracles of the internet, is that you can do your own primary research, and reasonably draw your own deductions. 

Listen to this recording between Victor Krulak and Harrison Livingston, author of High Treason: The Assassination of JFK and the Case for Conspiracy.  Judging from context, this conversation took place in 1999 or 2000.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hEaZa6oRjS4tupU5898auNPXrn7y2s4M/view

Local hero Michael Griffith has posted the above recording of  Krulak, major general in the US Marine Corps, a prominent and key figure in the Kennedy Administration's deepening involvement in SV.

Krulak is regarded as non-CIA.

(Another local hero, Robert Morrow, has said Krulak has identified Ed Lansdale as being in DP 11/22, based on the "tramps" photo, which purportedly shows the back of Lansdale's head. This issue is somewhat addressed in the above recording, but is not the topic of this thread.)

Background on the Diem brothers: Ngô Đình Diệm was the final prime minister of the State of Vietnam (1954–1955) and later the first president of South Vietnam from 1955 until his capture and assassination during the Kennedy Administration-backed Nov. 2 Big Minh coup d'état.

Ngô Đình Nhu was President Diem's brother, regarded as a power behind the throne, also butchered and assassinated that day with Diem. Nhu was married to Madame Nhu, aka "The Dragon Lady," who is worth a whole thread of her own.

Various narratives have emerged over the years of President Kennedy's pre-knowledge of the pending coup (one of the worst-kept secrets in coup history). Kennedy himself voiced concern for the safety of the Diems (and he was repeatedly warned the coup would likely be fatal to the Diems), but he voiced also resignation to their fates, and the Kennedy Administration public face and policy was to take no role in the coup or its mechanics (although Lucien Conien, a CIA'er working directly for Ambassador Lodge, provided $65,000 to Big Minh just before the coup).

In my research of documents, I can find no firm statement from JFK that the Diems must be extracted first, if a coup is to be supported, or merely abided by Washington (meaning de facto support of the coup, given US involvement in SV).

It is fair to say Ambassador Lodge supported the coup, and perhaps even instigated it, and was no mere Ambassador, but was acting more like a pro consul in ancient Rome---calling the shots on a Roman-controlled territory). 

In the above recording, Krulak said he was unaware of any plans or planes to extricate the Diems from SV, before or during the Big Minh coup.

"I am reflecting back on the period of time it became evident the Diems were not going to make it," said Krulak. "But I don't recall any plan to fly them out." 

Krulak said he doubted a story that the Diems had been driven the Saigon airport, put on a plane, but refused to leave.

Krulak said he was Fletcher Prouty superior, and regards Prouty highly.

Krulak also said Lansdale was "mysterious."

The possibility of a blowback from the Diem assassinations leading to the JFKA remains an interesting and plausible explanation for 11/22.

Those taking umbrage at the Diem assassinations might have drawn their own conclusions as to who was ultimately responsible.

Madame Nhu, on Nov. 2 in the US while her husband and brother-in-law were assassinated, all but vowed revenge.

Less than three weeks after the Diems were murdered, JFK was assassinated.

Fascinating side note: Evidently Madame Nhu was in Texas in late-October. early November 1963. She wowed them at UT-Austin, and attended a party hosted by Houston oil millionaires, according to the Nov. 1 issue of the Texas Observer, a liberal publication.

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https://issues.texasobserver.org/pdf/ustxtxb_obs_1963_11_01_issue.pdf

 

Anyone who doubts the resolve of Madame Nhu might want to consider this:

"To win support for Diệm, Madame Nhu hit upon the idea of enlisting support from the million or so refugees from North Vietnam, many of them Catholics who fled to the south after the Geneva accords had partitioned Vietnam, organizing them for a massive pro-Diệm demonstration on 21 September 1954.[25] The rally in Saigon led to a confrontation on the streets between Madame Nhu and Bình Xuyên gunmen, with Madame Nhu daring the thugs to kill her right then and there, which caused them to demur, and the rally went on.[26]"

 

You should read some of Ken Hughes work on the Diem assassinations. Or mine.

Nobody in the JFK Administration made any effort to extract the Diems from SV, in fact some CIA'ers said State Dep't wanted the Diems dead; they did not want a government in exile.

The CIA man attached to Diem said he asked for an airplane to get the Diems out, and was refused, despite the US operating the airbase at Danang.

1963 was a different time and place. JFK was also trying to assassinate Castro.

Both CT'ers and LNT'ers are vulnerable to bias confirmation.

I am wary of anyone who says they saw files...but there is no way for the rest of us to confirm that.