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I always chuckle when people refer to the JFKA hobby as an ongoing investigation. Some investigation. I've been at this for 35 years since Oliver Stone's movie came out. While my own body of knowledge has grown exponentially, I can't say the same for the information that is widely available. The conspiracy hobby has been around a lot longer than the 35 years I have been involved. There have been a few bread crumbs that become known that weren't available in 1991 and some advances in technology have shed some new light on the information available, but for the most part, not much has changed. The discussions are pretty much focused on the same things that were being kicked around 35 years ago.

Can somebody tell me what we know now that wasn't known in 1991 that significantly changes the discussion? From my perspective, it's more of the same old crap. For the most part, the CT community is just polishing old turds.

We know now, thanks to research by Malcolm Blunt and John M. Newman, that James Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior, probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie in the mole-hunting Office of Security -- in response to an April 1958 cable to headquarters by probable mole George Kisevalter to the effect that CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, had told him in West Berlin that he'd overheard a drunken GRU Colonel brag at a New Year's Eve party that the Kremlin had the specifications of the top-secret U-2 spy plane -- probably sent former Marine U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in a wrong part of the CIA -- the Soviet Russia Division -- which mole hunt lasted nine years, protected Solie from being uncovered, tore the Soviet Russia Division apart, and drove Angleton nuts.

As to whether or not Oswald was a witting KGB agent when he killed JFK, who knows?
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  Trump just says what most people are afraid to say. That's why he consistently defies the polling and has been elected POTUS 3 times. Boys in girls locker rooms, Boys competing against girls, wide open borders, these are issues that Trump bluntly spells out. The vast majority of the voting public agrees with him. The Dem's want to shut him up any way they can, even though he is a Lame Duck. Trump's "straight talking" brings out into the open the absurdity of the Dem Party Policies. 
  And Trump is not afraid to continue pointing out the 2020 Election was rigged. People KNOW that election was crooked, just as the recent Calif Primary was. Same M.O. employed for both elections. Count alleged ballots endlessly until the Dem Candidate stuffs the box enough to turn the election around. 
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I still recall your spurious argument that Nix and Zapruder filmed from such drastically different angles that the readily apparent contradiction between what they show about Agent Hill and Jackie Kennedy's relative positions at the same moment in time is just an optical illusion.


Griffith in his following (mis)info graphic uses this sole example of his proof of fakery in both Nix and/or Zapruder, yeah I know, it's kind of pathetic.



But Jerry Organ who is/was a master of 3D modelling, with a tiny bit of help and direction from me, proved it's just the change in perspective from either side of Dealey Plaza.





BTW, Marie Muchmore also captured the headshot and again, her footage shows the EXACT same event, no limo stop and no biological matter expulsion from the back of JFK's head. Griffith, it's time you stop your amateur anomaly hunting and just accept that the Zapruder film is what it is.


JohnM
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I always chuckle when people refer to the JFKA hobby as an ongoing investigation. Some investigation. I've been at this for 35 years since Oliver Stone's movie came out. While my own body of knowledge has grown exponentially, I can't say the same for the information that is widely available. The conspiracy hobby has been around a lot longer than the 35 years I have been involved. There have been a few bread crumbs that become known that weren't available in 1991 and some advances in technology have shed some new light on the information available, but for the most part, not much has changed. The discussions are pretty much focused on the same things that were being kicked around 35 years ago.

Can somebody tell me what we know now that wasn't known in 1991 that significantly changes the discussion? From my perspective, it's more of the same old crap. For the most part, the CT community is just polishing old turds.
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Do you mean who pulled the trigger or who paid for the bullets? Oswald was definitely involved but I think there’s much more to the story.

After 62 years, could you let the rest of us in on it?
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There are crazies in both parties but on the left they are in charge.  In the Republican party, they are in the margins.  Trump says some crazy things but more often than not pursues policies grounded in common sense.  The media fixates on the words and ignores the positive results.  A conflict is being resolved today that they suggested would result in WWIII and genocide.  Are they apologizing?  Nope.  The news is all about the UFC match and the Kennedy Center.   Minoriites and younger people tend to vote for Dems for their own reasons but have been less influenced by the propaganda than the elderly, white academic types who have been completely brainwashed.

I don't think most people appreciate what Donald Trump has done. Leaders don't get credit for the disasters they divert. People don't appreciate what a danger Iran posed. If they had developed a nuclear weapon, they already had the missile technology to reach ever capital in Europe. It would have only been a matter of time before they could reach the east coast and beyond. That would have been an extremely dangerous situation. It wouldn't have been like the Cold War when mutual assured destruction acted as a deterrent to both sides. The Iranians are religious zealots to whom martyrdom is the highest calling. It's the same mindset that caused 19 hijackers to fly airliners into our buildings knowing they would die in the process. I have no doubt Iran would have embraced mutual assured destruction.

I don't understand people who say their development of a nuclear weapon wasn't imminent. I don't know if that is true or not but why the hell would we want to wait until it was imminent before taking drastic action. Had we known the Japanese were planning to strike us at Pearl Harbor, I don't think we would have waiedt until December 6 to take action.

So many people only care that the price of gas has spiked the last several months. If that's the price we had to pay to keep the Iranians from becoming a threat to our homeland, it's money well spent.
If this deal holds, and it's still an if, and the Strait of Hormuz is opened again bringing down prices, I hope the voters will be able to look at the situation objectively.

Yes, Donald Trump is prone to hyperbole but the things he says are usually directionally correct. He can talk like a crazy man because he knows that fires up the base, but he governs with a cool head as he has shown the past few months. A lot of people, including me, were wondering why we didn't just bomb Iran back to the Stone Age He used just enough firepower to get them to bargain in good faith if hey have actually done that. I liked Hegseth's expression, negotiate with bombs. Once Trump started to talk about taking over Kharg Island the Iranians realized he wasn't pussyfooting around.
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LP:

Add on:

You might be pointed in the right general direction with your musings that perhaps LHO had relatively local or small-fry accomplices in the JFKA. 

There is a lone eye-witness account of LHO being at the Alpha-66 house on Harlandale.

I accept the WC narrative that LHO took a potshot at General Walker (in April), but my take is LHO likely had a ride to the location, and used a 30.06 and WII military surplus steel-jacketed ammo, available at the time. After all, two DPD detectives and two patrolmen signed contemporary statements that they had found a steel-jacketed slug in the Walker home the night of the assassination, and some inscribed their initials into the slug as well. LHO had copper-jacketed slugs. That's a hard one to dance around.

Perhaps a couple Alpha-66'ers-G2'ers, Dallas-based, played a role in the Walker shooting, and then convinced LHO to go big on 11.22, as payback for the many assassination attempts on Castro perped by the Kennedy Administration.

There were connections between G2 and KGB, obviously.

Anyway, Woolsey wrote his book, and he is a serious fellow.
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There are crazies in both parties but on the left they are in charge.  In the Republican party, they are in the margins.  Trump says some crazy things but more often than not pursues policies grounded in common sense.  The media fixates on the words and ignores the positive results.  A conflict is being resolved today that they suggested would result in WWIII and genocide.  Are they apologizing?  Nope.  The news is all about the UFC match and the Kennedy Center.   Minoriites and younger people tend to vote for Dems for their own reasons but have been less influenced by the propaganda than the elderly, white academic types who have been completely brainwashed.

Your boy, Donald "Pert Nipples" Trump, was installed by "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin on 20 January 2017 to tear our country apart and destroy NATO, and he's doing a darned good job of it.
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Seems like a reasonably good estimate.  It even affects some GOP voters.
Part of the problem is the Democrat base but I put much of the blame on the Democrat leadership. A majority of them know the positions their party has adopted are insane but they are too cowardly to speak out against it for fear of being primaried. So to get along, they go along. There are crazies in both major parties as well as among independents and third party members but the Democrats have allowed them to take over the driver's seat.

There are crazies in both parties but on the left they are in charge.  In the Republican party, they are in the margins.  Trump says some crazy things but more often than not pursues policies grounded in common sense.  The media fixates on the words and ignores the positive results.  A conflict is being resolved today that they suggested would result in WWIII and genocide.  Are they apologizing?  Nope.  The news is all about the UFC match and the Kennedy Center.   Minoriites and younger people tend to vote for Dems for their own reasons but have been less influenced by the propaganda than the elderly, white academic types who have been completely brainwashed.
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I realize common sense is no fun at all, but what is the logic here?

We have conspirators who are sophisticated enough to immediately leap into action and alter the Z film – so pretty sophisticated, yes?

How do these sophisticated folks have a conspiracy so clumsy that they need to alter the Z film? If the plan is to sell Oswald as a lone gunman in TSBD6, why do any shots come from anywhere other than a location and trajectory plausibly attributable to TSBD6?

How did they know the shot(s) from the front would even be amenable to alteration? What if the frontal gunman had hit JFK squarely in the nose – what then?

How did they know there wouldn’t be three, six or ten other people filming in Dealey Plaza? How did they know on the evening of 11-22 there weren’t? How did they know their alterations wouldn’t be immediately exposed by a different film that surfaced a week later?

Why wasn't the film immediately confiscated from Zapruder? Instead of an elaborate plot to alter the Z film, why not just say it was destroyed during processing or whatever? Sorry, it’s gone. Why go through this elaborate hoax?

Once again, it seems to me, CTers bog down in minutiae – all the supposed “evidence” of alteration – and simply ignore that …

THIS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL

Does it? If someone thinks it does, take me through how it worked. Take me plausibly through - just plausibly, that's all I ask - why there was a shot from the front, what the contingency plan was “just in case someone captures it on film,” and all the rest. I’ll bet you can’t!
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