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According to this analysis, DPD Chaney is unaware JFK or JBC were ever struck by the first bullet. Despite the fact DPD Chaney is seen staring at them in the Altgen's photo.

In Altgens’ photo we see Chaney’s head in profile. This necessarily means that his head is pointed about 90-degrees from the camera. Here’s a crop of the photo:




Now let’s take a look at the relative positions of Chaney and JFK/JBC. Here is a crop of an image by Dale Myers that shows an overhead view of their positions at the time of the Altgens photo:



I drew the yellow and blue lines to indicate directions to the other two motorcycles on the left side of the limo (yellow line) and to JFK/JBC (blue line). Altgens’ position can be seen near the lower left corner of the image. I submit that if Chaney was “staring at JFK/JBC we would not be seeing his head in profile; instead Chaney would be looking more towards the camera. Therefore, it appears to me that Chaney was looking at what he told the FBI he was looking at just after the second shot.

There are a number of problems with this picture and explanation. You have mixed up the fifth (1975 FBI) statement with the previous four statements given in the aftermath of the assassination with two completely different explanations of the shooting.

This is nothing more than what do you believe. 

Charles Collins:

“That is not what Chaney said. He said JFK appeared to be looking over his left shoulder. The only place we see anything of that nature is in the clip provided in the first post in this thread. It is from about the mid Z40s to mid Z150s.”
 
“I cannot believe that Chaney would describe JFK as looking over his left shoulder after he was shot around Z224. It should be obvious to anyone who sees the Zapruder film that at that point JFK was reacting to being shot. Chaney wouldn’t have left that part out.”

Neither of your two versions ever mentions the throat shot. Just the headshot. For the 1975 FBI version he just added an extra shot with no explanation.

Version one explanation has an early missed shot at Z145 followed by the headshot 

Version two explanation has DPD Chaney looking at DPD Hargis at Z256 instead of the wounded JFK and JBC. No mention of either JFK or JBC having been wounded which you have stated: “Chaney would not have left that part out”. But he did. Now just do the math. If the second shot or bullet is the headshot, what is the first shot or bullet?

Neither version ever mentions the throat shot. Just the headshot. Version two has an extra shot added with no explanation at all.

This new version now has DPD Chaney looking at DPD Hargis, at least in this new version based on Altgen’s photo at Z255. At this point JBC and JFK have reacted severely to having been wounded. 

The first shot and JFK and DPD Chaney heads turning left at Z145 has now been moved up to Z255 and after JFK and JBC have both been wounded which is what DPD Chaney is looking at.

This is a crop of Z137. That frame’s significance is that it is the frame associated with the Willis4 photo. I put a yellow arrow pointed at Willis. He is taking the photo and has his face pointed about 90-degrees to the camera’s angle. Both the limo and the TSBD are in that direction at that point in time (as can be seen in the Willis4 photo). In Z137 it appears to me that Rosemary is looking directly at the camera.




If you will take notice of the gray-haired lady with the black hat who has her left arm and purse blocking the Zapruder’s camera’s view of Rosemary’s right side; you should be able to see that the lady’s right arm is raised up high. What is interesting about that is that she appears to be pointing directly at the sniper’s window. And there is a large gap in the motorcade between the queen mary vehicle and the VP vehicle. So there is no vehicle in the direction (where one might thing she is looking and waving). See the animation image below from the time of the Z141 frame.

  "In Z137 it appears to me that Rosemary is looking directly at the camera."

 Whose camera is she looking at?  She's looking straight ahead in frame 137.

Isn't the gray-haired lady with the black hat looking in the same direction as Mr. Willis?

Is she still pointing to the Sniper's Nest as she steps into the street in Z-145?

No, I think the gray-haired lady and her companion are pointing up at the sniper’s nest window. Here’s an animation, that has some other folks circled, but we can still see this gray-haired lady pointing up in the same direction, then lowering her right arm as she swings her head around to see the presidential limo. This animation starts in the Z160s, a couple of seconds after we see her already pointing up at the sniper’s nest in the Z137 frame. I think that if she was waving to anyone in the motorcade, she would have been turning and following their movement. Instead what we see is her pointing in the same direction for quite a while. As you might can tell, it is her companion who is stepping backwards out of the street. The gray-haired lady does not step into the street. Her companion also seems to be pointing up at the sniper’s nest window and waving a handkerchief with her other hand. I suspect they are trying to get the SS agents to look up at the sniper’s nest window because they both see LHO aiming and firing his rifle. They can both be seen in that same area in the Zapruder film before the motorcade arrives (pre 133). I suspect they (like several others noticed LHO n the window before the motorcade arrived). Apparently they never came forward with their accounts, so we will never know for sure if my imagination is correct or not.

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How do we know that Rosemary Willis, in her conscious reaction to Oswald's first, missing everything shot at "Z-124," had already started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145?

Answer: By comparing the direction she's looking in Z-138 (towards JFK and Jackie) with the way her head and upper-torso are turned to her right in Z-145.





Interestingly, this is about the same time that motorcycle policeman Jim Chaney is looking to his left at JFK (and JFK has turned his head quickly -- and very briefly -- to his left), and Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett in the passenger side rear seat of the follow-up car, having heard "a firecracker," starts leaning to his right to see if JFK's okay.

This is a crop of Z137. That frame’s significance is that it is the frame associated with the Willis4 photo. I put a yellow arrow pointed at Willis. He is taking the photo and has his face pointed about 90-degrees to the camera’s angle. Both the limo and the TSBD are in that direction at that point in time (as can be seen in the Willis4 photo). In Z137 it appears to me that Rosemary is looking directly at the camera.




If you will take notice of the gray-haired lady with the black hat who has her left arm and purse blocking the Zapruder’s camera’s view of Rosemary’s right side; you should be able to see that the lady’s right arm is raised up high. What is interesting about that is that she appears to be pointing directly at the sniper’s window. And there is a large gap in the motorcade between the queen mary vehicle and the VP vehicle. So there is no vehicle in the direction (where one might thing she is looking and waving). See the animation image below from the time of the Z141 frame.