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A Dallas police officer actually put a pencil through the hole to confirm it was a hole.

Who was that?
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AP photographer James Altgens took a photograph that destroys the lone-gunman theory: Altgens 6. Everyone agrees that Altgens 6 was taken at right around Z255.

Here's the unsolvable problem that Altgens 6 poses for the lone-gunman theory: It shows damage to the windshield of JFK's limousine. Nobody disputes this fact. The Warren Commission (WC) admitted that the alleged magic bullet of the single-bullet theory (SBT) could not have caused the windshield damage. The WC assumed the damage was caused by a fragment from the head shot. However, the head shot did not occur until Z313.

As an important side note, I should mention that there is strong, mutually corroborating evidence that there was a hole in the windshield. At least eight witnesses in three different locations independently reported that they saw a hole in the windshield. One of the witnesses, a Dallas police officer, actually put a pencil through the hole to confirm it was a hole. Several of the witnesses said the hole appeared to have been made by a bullet that hit from the front. For more information on this evidence, see Doug Weldon's chapter in Murder in Dealey Plaza:

"The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963"

See also Dr. David Mantik's chapter titled "The Frontal Shot Through the Limousine Windshield" in his 2024 book The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis (chapter 5).

I am not here to argue over the evidence of a windshield hole. My main point is that regardless of whether the windshield damage was just cracks or was a hole and some cracks, the lone-gunman theory has no plausible explanation for the damage.

WC apologists and mortal-error theorists who acknowledge that a bullet hit the pavement behind the limousine early in the shooting may suggest that a fragment from this bullet hit the windshield. However, this is problematic for a number of reasons.

The windshield damage was 4-6 inches to the left of the rearview mirror (viewing from the back of the limo to the front). In order to hit the windshield at this location, a fragment from the pavement bullet would have had to first miss the riding handles on the back of the limo, then miss JFK and Jackie Kennedy, then miss John and Nellie Connally, and then miss the driver, William Greer.

Furthermore, in the MPI large-format transparencies of the Zapruder film, the windshield damage first appears in Z193 and is plainly visible again from Z215 to Z232 (David Mantik, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, 2024, pp. 289-291). But the pavement strike occurred well before Z193 -- in fact, it occurred before Z166 (even according to Gerald Posner).

If a fragment had hit the windshield hard enough to crack it so early in the shooting, surely the driver would have noticed it and would have visibly reacted, since no other shots had been fired yet.

But, if the windshield was hit at around Z190, after at least one shot had already been fired, the driver, now nervous and distracted by having heard a rifle shot, may not have noticed the windshield hit, especially if a high-velocity bullet penetrated the windshield from the front.

Clearly, a windshield hit at Z190 could not have been done by a bullet fired from the sixth-floor window, even if we assume the windshield was hit from behind. Clearly, no fragment from the head shot could have caused the windshield damage, since the head shot occurred at Z313. And clearly, no fragment from the Z133-166 pavement bullet could have caused the windshield damage (indeed, WC apologists already have that bullet magically sending a large fragment streaking toward the curb near James Tague over 400 feet away).
 

In the thread about the dented shell, I made the point that CTs have no interest in determining who killed JFK. Their whole game is finding excuses to deny it was Oswald. MTG's latest post is perfect example of this. This one he pulled out of thin air or more likely, a much darker place. I've looked at 4 different online copies of the Altgens 6  and I see nothing that resembles a cracked windshield in any of them. If the crack that was later discovered and photographed had been present in Altgens 6, that most certainly would be a game changer. CE399 did not cause that crack. There is no evidence the first shot struck anywhere inside the limo. Only a fragment from the head shot could have caused that crack. That is exactly what happened. But that hasn't stopped MTG from making this story up because he apparently doesn't have enough lame excuses to dismiss the overwhelming evidence of Oswald's guilt.

When MTG makes up excuses this bad, it makes me wonder if he is just here to troll and has no real interest in the JFKA.
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Some folks seem to believe that the dent in the neck of one of the spent Carcano cartridges found on the sixth floor of the TSBD indicates that it couldn’t have been fired on 11/22/63. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the dent that has credible supporting evidence and is consistent with that cartridge being one of the three shots believed to have been fired on 11/22/63. Let’s start with an animated GIF showing slow-motion of a shell being ejected from a lever action rifle. You can see the ejected shell spin end for end and the neck end of the cartridge hit the rifle and bounce off. It appears to me that the neck end of the spent cartridge is flattened a bit by the impact.




Here is a still image from that GIF showing what appears to be a somewhat flattened neck.




I had previously posted in another thread a link to a video of a Carcano M91/38 ejecting a spent cartridge that also bounced off of the rifle at the bridge to the rear of the ejection port. Here is a still frame from that video showing the cartridge just after it bounced off the rifle.





What we cannot see in the Carcano image above is what that rear bridge looks like from the rear angle. Here’s an image from Nova’s Cold Case JFK that clearly shows the sharp edges and/or corners that could have made the dent in CE543:




The FBI duplicated the dented cartridge in their tests by cycling the Carcano’s bolt very quickly and forcefully in an effort to simulate someone trying to fire consecutive shots a quickly as possible.

By raising the issue of the dented shell, the CTs demonstrate how really, really bad they are at weighing evidence. To them, the presence of a dented shell in the sniper's nest negates all the other forensic evidence that points to Oswald as the shooter. That dented shell gives them the excuse to dismiss the fact that all three of the spent shells were fired by the rifle that was found elsewhere on the 6th floor. That rifle was connected to Oswald in four different ways. By the paper trail indicating he purchased the rifle via mail order. He was photographed with the rifle. His palm print was on that rifle. The fibers on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt Oswald was wearing that day. Furthermore, a bag was found next to the sniper's nest that had Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store the rifle. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that were stacked by the window to form a rifle rest. All of this evidence points unmistakably to Oswald as the assassin. But that is not the answer the CTs want. In fact, they give no indication they are after any answers at all. What they really want are excuses to dismiss all that damning evidence that Oswald was they assassin. If they even respond to this post, we can count on them providing more excuses for each of the items I've pointed to as evidence of Oswald's guilt. They really have never shown an interest in figuring out who killed JFK. That just want excuses to deny it was Oswald.
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Did "The Deep State" kill JFK, or was it the "Administrative State"?

They're the same thing, right, self-described Leninist Steve Bannon?

(LOL)

I don't know if it was "The Deep State" or "The Administrative State" that killed JFK, but so many people were clearly, clearly, clearly involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the planting-of-evidence, the getting away, and the all-important (and continuing!) cover up, it must have been the latter!!!

(LOL)
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Some folks seem to believe that the dent in the neck of one of the spent Carcano cartridges found on the sixth floor of the TSBD indicates that it couldn’t have been fired on 11/22/63. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the dent that has credible supporting evidence and is consistent with that cartridge being one of the three shots believed to have been fired on 11/22/63. Let’s start with an animated GIF showing slow-motion of a shell being ejected from a lever action rifle. You can see the ejected shell spin end for end and the neck end of the cartridge hit the rifle and bounce off. It appears to me that the neck end of the spent cartridge is flattened a bit by the impact.




Here is a still image from that GIF showing what appears to be a somewhat flattened neck.




I had previously posted in another thread a link to a video of a Carcano M91/38 ejecting a spent cartridge that also bounced off of the rifle at the bridge to the rear of the ejection port. Here is a still frame from that video showing the cartridge just after it bounced off the rifle.





What we cannot see in the Carcano image above is what that rear bridge looks like from the rear angle. Here’s an image from Nova’s Cold Case JFK that clearly shows the sharp edges and/or corners that could have made the dent in CE543:




The FBI duplicated the dented cartridge in their tests by cycling the Carcano’s bolt very quickly and forcefully in an effort to simulate someone trying to fire consecutive shots a quickly as possible.

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AP photographer James Altgens took a photograph that destroys the lone-gunman theory: Altgens 6. Everyone agrees that Altgens 6 was taken at right around Z255.

Here's the unsolvable problem that Altgens 6 poses for the lone-gunman theory: It shows damage to the windshield of JFK's limousine. Nobody disputes this fact. The Warren Commission (WC) admitted that the alleged magic bullet of the single-bullet theory (SBT) could not have caused the windshield damage. The WC assumed the damage was caused by a fragment from the head shot. However, the head shot did not occur until Z313.

As an important side note, I should mention that there is strong, mutually corroborating evidence that there was a hole in the windshield. At least eight witnesses in three different locations independently reported that they saw a hole in the windshield. One of the witnesses, a Dallas police officer, actually put a pencil through the hole to confirm it was a hole. Several of the witnesses said the hole appeared to have been made by a bullet that hit from the front. For more information on this evidence, see Doug Weldon's chapter in Murder in Dealey Plaza:

"The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963"

See also Dr. David Mantik's chapter titled "The Frontal Shot Through the Limousine Windshield" in his 2024 book The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis (chapter 5).

I am not here to argue over the evidence of a windshield hole. My main point is that regardless of whether the windshield damage was just cracks or was a hole and some cracks, the lone-gunman theory has no plausible explanation for the damage.

WC apologists and mortal-error theorists who acknowledge that a bullet hit the pavement behind the limousine early in the shooting may suggest that a fragment from this bullet hit the windshield. However, this is problematic for a number of reasons.

The windshield damage was 4-6 inches to the left of the rearview mirror (viewing from the back of the limo to the front). In order to hit the windshield at this location, a fragment from the pavement bullet would have had to first miss the riding handles on the back of the limo, then miss JFK and Jackie Kennedy, then miss John and Nellie Connally, and then miss the driver, William Greer.

Furthermore, in the MPI large-format transparencies of the Zapruder film, the windshield damage first appears in Z193 and is plainly visible again from Z215 to Z232 (David Mantik, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, 2024, pp. 289-291). But the pavement strike occurred well before Z193 -- in fact, it occurred before Z166 (even according to Gerald Posner).

If a fragment had hit the windshield hard enough to crack it so early in the shooting, surely the driver would have noticed it and would have visibly reacted, since no other shots had been fired yet.

But, if the windshield was hit at around Z190, after at least one shot had already been fired, the driver, now nervous and distracted by having heard a rifle shot, may not have noticed the windshield hit, especially if a high-velocity bullet penetrated the windshield from the front.

Clearly, a windshield hit at Z190 could not have been done by a bullet fired from the sixth-floor window, even if we assume the windshield was hit from behind. Clearly, no fragment from the head shot could have caused the windshield damage, since the head shot occurred at Z313. And clearly, no fragment from the Z133-166 pavement bullet could have caused the windshield damage (indeed, WC apologists already have that bullet magically sending a large fragment streaking toward the curb near James Tague over 400 feet away).
 
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One thing I am curious about is what if any lag time there would be between the bullet passing through the jacket and the jacket bulging. Was Lattimer able to determine that. The reason I ask because in other super slow motion footage I've seen of a bullet passing through an object, the bullet exits and the debris it disperses follows behind the bullet. That kind of footage shows thousands of frames per second as opposed to 18 fps, but I think there still might be a lag time of a few frames.
Remember it's Lattimer's theory that it was the rib fragments and tissue exploding/exiting/ejecting from Connally's chest that caused the bulge not the bullet. Critics point to the exit hole in Connally's jacket to say the hole was too low to cause the lapel/jacket bulge. I think they are right. But if the jacket bulge/pop out was caused by fragments higher up, it would, theoretically work.

As to time element: The article is a bit difficult to read but I don't see any reference to the timing between the two. I would think it would have been too quick to capture on the Z film. The jacket is 3-4 inches away from the body? I would think any rib fragments/bullet going through would take less than 1/18 of a second.

The single bullet explanation has its flaws but the alternative explanations or theories are worse. The olde "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Connally's shirt:
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My Prayer Man postings were THE biggest threat to The Education Forum's pet theory...Every post I made was responded to with a barrage of protesting responses...Moderator Gordon rode my back on every post making up false rules and false complaints in order to remove my evidence from the board...I haven't seen any member on that board subjected to such scrutiny ever since...My evidence was such a threat to that board that I was banned for life with a special administrative watch put out for me...Enforced silence...When the progress of the evidence 100% came in in my favor it was dishonestly ignored...

Prior to the Luna Task Force I sent e-mails to Morley warning him about the Prayer Man theory...Morley had the sense to heed my warnings and my input resulted in Morley's disclaimer of the Prayer Man theory in front of the United States Congress...Speer reduces this to "anger and vitriol"...

If you view the "Ciphered Past" video with Bart Kamp you will see I am very much on the mind of the main Prayer Man promoter...And if you have a good idea of human behavior and what people fear you can see Kamp and Ciphered Past are very much afraid of my evidence due to the way they avoid it in their slanderous discussions of myself...These people are very afraid of letting me defend my work on a fair playing field...The dishonest way they deal with me is very much indicative of their awareness of the danger of my research to their BS theory...Kamp himself put it best when he said "This is all because of one person...Brian Doyle"...Their use of cowardly censorship speaks the most and shows they are afraid of letting me show my evidence because of their awareness that it is deadly to their Prayer Man BS...These are cheap hacks however who aren't beneath petty banning and censorship to protect what they know to be a bogus theory...Again, if you have a good sense of things the evidence that makes the difference on Prayer Man is exactly what is being kept off "Ciphered Past" and The Education Forum...That evidence is my evidence as I credibly apply it...My discussions here are no different than anyone else's so why the intense effort to deny me my earned posting space amongst my peers?...The only answer to that is their awareness that my evidence refutes their corrupted false claims and their honor-less willingness to practice cowardly censorship...

   Call me Mr Nielsen, but when you say your posts received a, "BARRAGE of protesting responses...", what number in your mind qualifies as a "BARRAGE"? Your posts here are appreciated. Be realistic as to the size of your audience.
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I don't think Charlie Kirk's death was the result of a conspiracy. This Robinson fella confessed (twice even I think) he was captured on CCTV and recognized by his parents etc. I am not familiar with the ballistics and autopsy results, but quite certain that these will reinforce the case against him. Same goes for the trace evidence (fingerprints, DNA, fibers etc).

Regarding his motive, he moved in circles of the mentally ill and was in an intimate relationship with a completely deranged individual. This may have warped his mind - if it wasn't so already - and pushed him towards an attack on a Christian conservative like Kirk. It was a high-profile target and presumably would raise his standing in the weird but dangerous woke community he was part of.

Matt Walsh and Megyn Kelly have revealed evidence that strongly indicates other people were aware of his plan. Their failure to notify authorities is appalling and perhaps even punishable by law. It does NOT however mean they conspired with Robinson.
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My Prayer Man postings were THE biggest threat to The Education Forum's pet theory...Every post I made was responded to with a barrage of protesting responses...Moderator Gordon rode my back on every post making up false rules and false complaints in order to remove my evidence from the board...I haven't seen any member on that board subjected to such moderator abuse ever since...My evidence was such a threat to that board that I was banned for life with a special administrative watch put out for me...Enforced silence...When the progress of the evidence 100% came in in my favor it was dishonestly ignored...

Prior to the Luna Task Force I sent e-mails to Morley warning him about the Prayer Man theory...Morley had the sense to heed my warnings and my input resulted in Morley's disclaimer of the Prayer Man theory in front of the United States Congress...Speer reduces this to "anger and vitriol"...

If you view the "Ciphered Past" video with Bart Kamp you will see I am very much on the mind of the main Prayer Man promoter...And if you have a good idea of human behavior and what people fear you can see Kamp and Ciphered Past are very much afraid of my evidence due to the way they avoid it in their slanderous discussions of myself...These people are very afraid of letting me defend my work on a fair playing field...The dishonest way they deal with me is very much indicative of their awareness of the danger of my research to their BS theory...Kamp himself put it best when he said "This is all because of one person...Brian Doyle"...Their use of cowardly censorship speaks the most and shows they are afraid of letting me show my evidence because of their awareness that it is deadly to their Prayer Man BS...These are cheap hacks however who aren't beneath petty banning and censorship to protect what they know to be a bogus theory...Again, if you have a good sense of things the evidence that makes the difference on Prayer Man is exactly what is being kept off "Ciphered Past" and The Education Forum...That evidence is my evidence as I credibly apply it...My discussions here are no different than anyone else's so why the intense effort to deny me my earned posting space amongst my peers?...The only answer to that is their awareness that my evidence refutes their corrupted false claims and their honor-less willingness to practice cowardly censorship...

 
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