JFK Assassination Forum

BTW, Niedernut and fellow traveler Don Jeffries have been singing the praises of a Frenchman named Laurent Guyénot.

You never heard of him either? Count yourself lucky.

The AI version:

You said: Is Laurent Guyénot considered an anti-Semitic crackpot?

Laurent Guyénot is widely classified by mainstream historians, political analysts, and watchdog groups as an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.

While the term "crackpot" is a subjective colloquialism, public consensus and academic analysis firmly position his work outside of legitimate scholarship, characterizing it as fringe, conspiratorial revisionism.

Association with Antisemitic Ideology Guyénot's work heavily incorporates classic antisemitic tropes disguised as geopolitical and religious critiques:The "Jewish Power" Narrative: In books like “Our God is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us”: Essays on Jewish Power and From Yahweh to Zion, he argues that Jewish religious history is a framework for tribal manipulation and global domination.

The "Israel Did It" Trope: In his deep-state writings, he routinely attributes catastrophic world events to Zionist networks. For instance, he claims that the State of Israel and the Mossad were the primary instigators behind both the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the September 11 terror attacks.

Ties to Extremist Publishers: In France, his political and conspiracy-oriented works are published by Kontre Kulture, the publishing house founded by Alain Soral, a notorious and repeatedly convicted French far-right antisemitic ideologue.Why He is Considered a Fringe FigureIn mainstream academic and historical circles, Guyénot is rejected as a reliable source for several key reasons:Pseudohistory ("Recentism"):

Beyond geopolitics, he advocates for "recentism", a fringe pseudohistorical theory claiming that mainstream chronology is faked and that hundreds of years of the first millennium AD never actually occurred.

Conspiratorial Monomania: His research style follows a pattern common to conspiracy theorists: rather than evaluating evidence neutrally, he treats complex, unrelated global tragedies (JFK, 9/11, biblical history) as part of a single, coordinated, centuries-old plot orchestrated by a specific group.

Isolation from Peer Review: While he holds a legitimate PhD in medieval studies and his early work on Arthurian legends was academic, his geopolitical and revisionist books are completely self-contained within fringe, alternative-media echo chambers and completely lack peer-reviewed validation.

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More P.U. from Niedernut. Why Simkin had Niedernut "moderate" the EF-JFKA for more than a year....


 

They seem convinced that someone I have never heard of has located and spoken with James Gordon and that all will eventually be well. This assumes of course that this is the real James and not some imposter as Armstrong suggested in James and Jim: How the Ed Forum Framed Gordon. I for one am lighting votive candles in the prayerful hope that this veritable shrine to JFKA wisdom will be saved and that Niederwacky will continue to have a place to call home when he isn't enthralling his psychiatric patients with tales of 9/11 and cognitive infiltrators and whatnot.

Andrew Iler (a Canadian lawyer) is one of Jim D's co-authors of the 2023 book "The JFK Assassination Chokeholds".

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/chokeholds-uses-a-fake-story

Really Royell? We already had this conversation over a year ago and presented as visual proof the following infographic!, there is no black box, the object is essentially flat as confirmed by the front on shot and the resulting shadow, and the sign is clearly supported by a pair of brackets. The sign has been specifically constructed to fit the contours of the building.



On the left side of the building, behind the huge gates there is an additional two overhead doors which would have been used for loading and unloading.





Now one aspect I find a little odd is that the "sign" was mounted very high, so who was it for? The high gates indicate that the height was to accommodate taller trucks like a semi, but as seen in the above aerial shot, the amount of manoeuvring space within is quite limited? Also of interest is the front of the sign is facing down the street which means it wouldn't be seen by delivery trucks coming directly off Houston?



The TSBD around 1910 shows that the end building beyond the depository was already built but what isn't clear is the huge gates and the structure directly behind which is the area seen in the aerial shot above with the black roof?



An interesting titbit I just noticed is the front lattice on the bottom floor windows were added after 1910 and before 1963, and removed sometime thereafter?



JohnM

   JOHN - Thanks for stepping forward and confirming our having previously conferred on what I call the Black Box. I routinely get called a liar and such with respect to my asking for the respected opinion of others, but even in the face of this, you can always count on my being the soul of discretion.
              As I said when we talked about this previously, in my opinion the position of this alleged "sign" is automatically a DQ. Nobody can see it, and there is nothing around there warranting a sign.
              I recently ran across a Sixth Floor presentation detailing the massive construction "work" that needed to be done to the TSBD, along with the rebuilding of the Huge Gates, Grocery Warehouse, and loading dock for Oliver Stone's "JFK" (1991) movie. The reconstructed area above the (R) Huge Gate did Not include this "Black Box". And per this Sixth Floor presentation, Oliver Stone was extremely detail oriented with respect to this massive reconstruction work.   

• Oswald confirmed to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol

Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.

Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.

Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.


• Officer McDonald confirms he removed the pistol from Oswald.

Mr. BALL - Your right hand?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir. Now, as we fell into the seats, I called out, "I have got him," and Officer T. A. Hutson, he came to the row behind us and grabbed Oswald around the neck. And then Officer C. T. Walker came into the row that we were in and grabbed his left arm. And Officer Ray Hawkins came to the row in front of us and grabbed him from the front.
By the time all three of these officers had got there, I had gotten my right hand on the butt of the pistol and jerked it free.

• Officer McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll

Mr. BALL - What happened when you jerked the pistol free?
Mr. McDONALD - When I jerked it free, I was down in the seats with him, with my head, some reason or other, I don't know why, and when I brought the pistol out, it grazed me across the cheek here, and I put it all the way out to the aisle, holding it by the butt. I gave the pistol to Detective Bob Carroll at that point.

• Carroll confirms he gave the pistol to Hill.

Mr. BALL. Whom did you give the gun to finally?
Mr. CARROLL. After I gave it to - Jerry Hill - that was the last time I had possession of it - possession of the gun.

• Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.

Mr. BELIN. And being that he had the keys to the car, Bob Carroll drove the vehicle.
Mr. HILL. As he started to get in the car, he handed me a pistol, which he identified as the one that had been taken from the suspect in the theatre.

• Hill confirms that he kept the pistol on his person until he inscribed it with his name.

Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not from the time this gun was handed to you until the time you removed these six bullets, this gun was in your possession?
Mr. HILL. The gun remained in my possession until it, from the time it was given to me until the gun was marked and all the shells were marked. They remained in my personal possession. After they were marked, they were released by me to Detective T. L. Baker of the homicide bureau. He came to the personnel office and requested that they be given to him, and I marked them and turned them over to him at this point.

The chain of custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_custody

• Oswald confirmed to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol
• McDonald confirms he took the pistol from Oswald.
• McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll.
• Carroll confirms he gave the pistol to Hill.
• Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.
• Hill confirms that he kept the pistol on his person until he inscribed it with his name.
• The revolver in evidence has a paper trail leading directly to Oswald's PO Box.









JohnM

The chain of custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_custody

• Oswald confirmed to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol
• McDonald confirms he took the pistol from Oswald.
• McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll.
• Carroll confirms he gave the pistol to Hill.
• Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.
• Hill confirms that he kept the pistol on his person until he inscribed it with his name.
• The revolver in evidence has a paper trail leading directly to Oswald's PO Box.

Oh poor poor Johnny.... you clearly haven't understood anything.

The fact that Oswald confirmed that he was carrying a revolver (which he said he bought in Fort Worth) doesn't mean that the revolver Carroll ended up with is exactly that revolver.

McDonald did claim that he gave a revolver to Carroll, but the latter actually testified that he jerked a revolver from somebody's hand without being able to tell who that person was. Oops

Yes, Carroll give a revolver to Hill, as they got in the car but he only assumed it belonged to Oswald.

And Hill did indeed claim that he kept that revolver until he marked it at around 4:00 PM.

The problem here is that C.T. Walker, who was also in the car testified that he had the revolver when they arrived at City Hall and officer Bardin submitted the S & W revolver to the evidence room at 3:25 PM, a half jour before Hill alleged gave the revolver to Lt. Baker. Oops

And there goes the chain of custody!

Unless of course when somebody like you comes along and ignores the parts of the evidence he doesn't like so he can make up his own little fairytale narrative. 

    I have spotted a BLACK OBJECT sitting ATOP the (R) HUGE GATE. It is directly above the (R) Huge Gate and sits tightly between the point where the Texas School Book Depository ends and the (R) Huge Gate begins. It looks to be about the size of a home stereo speaker and is entirely Black. I have asked several other long term JFK Assassination researchers as to the identity/purpose of this object. Nobody positively knows what it is or what it is doing there. It's been speculated that this might be a "sign" of some kind, but nobody knows what that alleged sign might be for. You could Not see this possible sign if you were traveling either direction on the Elm St Extension. It would Not be within your field of vision. Plus, there appears to be absolutely No Printing or differing color anywhere on it. Based on the images we see of it, it is Completely Black. For the time being, I am referring to this object as "The Black Box".
   Being that the Black Box is situated down the Elm St Extension, there are few images showing it, and even these images only show portions of it. I believe the Best view of this object can be seen on this Forum's, "PHOTO RESEARCH GALLERY". It is on "KIMBROUGH PHOTO #7". If anyone knows the possible purpose of this "Black Box", please let me know. Whatever that Black Box is, it looks entirely out of place.

Really Royell? We already had this conversation over a year ago and presented as visual proof the following infographic!, there is no black box, the object is essentially flat as confirmed by the front on shot and the resulting shadow, and the sign is clearly supported by a pair of brackets. The sign has been specifically constructed to fit the contours of the building.



On the left side of the building, behind the huge gates there is an additional two overhead doors which would have been used for loading and unloading.





Now one aspect I find a little odd is that the "sign" was mounted very high, so who was it for? The high gates indicate that the height was to accommodate taller trucks like a semi, but as seen in the above aerial shot, the amount of manoeuvring space within is quite limited? Also of interest is the front of the sign is facing down the street which means it wouldn't be seen by delivery trucks coming directly off Houston?



The TSBD around 1910 shows that the end building beyond the depository was already built but what isn't clear is the huge gates and the structure directly behind which is the area seen in the aerial shot above with the black roof?



An interesting titbit I just noticed is the front lattice on the bottom floor windows were added after 1910 and before 1963, and removed sometime thereafter?



JohnM