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Two lunches. There was BRW’s lunch with a pop bottle and Fritos bag right where he stated it was located, 3rd aisle. In addition, there was a single piece of chicken on a carton used as a barricade with an explanation from Mr. Shelley. Not one of these officers statements mention the frito bag or pop bottle.

The "two lunches" theory is a non-starter for a number of reasons.
It's based on Shelley's supposed observation that he "thought" he saw either Givens or Williams (the only two black employees on the 6th floor) eating chicken on the 6th floor.
This is impossible as Williams had his lunch on the 6th floor while Shelley was down on the first floor (or possibly outside), and Givens left his lunch in the domino room when he arrived for work and ate his lunch outside the building.
It is possible that Shelley saw Givens eating his lunch outside but definitely not on the 6th floor.
His racist comment might indicate he saw one of them eating their lunch on the 6th floor on some other day because they were "always eating chicken", apparently.

The single piece of partially eaten chicken was no longer on the back wall of the Sniper's Nest when Studebaker arrived on the scene and he is specific that the only chicken remains found on the 6th floor were in the lunch sack.

The lunch sack was also discovered on top of the back wall of the Sniper's Nest. A number of officers saw it there, but this too had disappeared from the Sniper's Nest by the time Studebaker arrived.

The only lunch sack discovered on the 6th floor was originally discovered ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest. It was then moved to the two-wheeler truck, along with the partially eaten piece of chicken. This same lunch sack had a piece of Fritos in it.

Bonnie Ray must have taken the Fritos bag with him because it was not left on the 6th floor. No officer saw it, it wasn't in the lunch sack, it wasn't with the rest of the lunch remains photographed in the third aisle and it wasn't found in the search of the 6th floor.

Bonnie Ray testified that he took a lunch sack, chicken-on-the-bone sandwich, bag of Fritos and a Dr Pepper up to the 6th floor. A lunch sack (containing a piece of Frito and chicken bones) and a partially eaten piece of chicken were found ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest. This had all been removed by the time Studebaker showed up and placed at the end of the third aisle.

I'm also pretty sure that at least one officer noted the Dr Pepper bottle or an empty soda bottle in the southeast corner of the 6th floor, where the SN was located. I'll get back to you on that.

In short, the only lunch remains discovered on the 6th floor belonged to Bonnie Ray Williams and they were initially discovered ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest by the first officers on the scene.
This indicates that Bonnie Ray was being less than truthful when he testified that he had his lunch by the "third or fourth set of windows".
That said, he also testified that he sat in two locations when he went up to the 6th floor to watch the motorcade. In the first position he could rest with some boxes behind him while he waited for the motorcade to arrive:

"First of all, I remember there was some boxes behind me. I just kind of leaned back on the boxes first. Then I began to get a little impatient, because there wasn’t anyone coming up. So I decided to move to a two-wheeler."

 
It appears that that by the time he moved to the two-wheeler truck he had already eaten his lunch and was ready to leave:

Mr. WILLIAMS. ...So I decided to move to a two-wheeler.
Mr. BALL. A two-wheeler truck, you mean?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember sitting on this two-wheeler. By that time, I was through, and I got up and I just left then.

I wonder where this first location was, where he could relax and lean back against a stack of boxes behind him while watching the goings-on in Dealey Plaza. Presumably through an open window, as opposed to the closed, dirty third set of windows, while sat on a really uncomfortable looking little truck with no leg room.

“The "two lunches" theory is a non-starter for a number of reasons.
It's based on Shelley's supposed observation that he "thought" he saw either Givens or Williams (the only two black employees on the 6th floor) eating chicken on the 6th floor.”

Unfortunately, this statement is not correct. There were most definitely two different locations and Mr Shelley was correct in what he observed. The two detectives, Johnson and Montgomery charged with preserving the area, describe first the lunch left by BR Williams, followed by Det Montgomery explaining the second location of a piece of chicken left on top of the barricade boxes.
 

Mr. JOHNSON. Now you got to remember he told L. D. Montgomery, my partner, and I to preserve the scene, and we remained there near that corner.
Now over to the right, which would be back toward the west of the window, there was a lunch sack--a brown paper bag--and some remnants of fried chicken, and a pop bottle.
And I stayed closer to that pop bottle while we were waiting for the crime lab to finish their work.
Mr. BELIN. Now there was a sack and a pop bottle. Was there anything else other than the sack and the pop bottle?
Mr. JOHNSON. And the remnants of fried chicken.
Mr. BELIN. The remnants of fried chicken, was that right by that window, or was it by another set of windows?
Mr. JOHNSON. That was by some other window.
Mr. BELIN. Now there are, I believe, on the south side of the building, seven pairs of windows?
Mr. JOHNSON. I didn't count them. I couldn't say.
Mr. BELIN. Would you say it was toward the east, or the west, or the center?
Mr. JOHNSON. Where the sack was?
Mr. BELIN. Yes.
Mr. JOHNSON. It would be toward the west. I believe the next set of windows to my--I am pretty sure it was.

Mr. BELIN. You said it would be in the second pair of windows counting from the east wall?
Mr. JOHNSON. To the west.
Mr. BELIN. Is where you found it, was it between the second and the third set of windows or between the first and the second, or right by the second?
Mr. JOHNSON. Right by the second pair of windows.
Mr. BELIN. Now you stayed over there?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. And your partner, Detective Montgomery, stayed over by the first pair of windows?
Mr. JOHNSON. By the corner.

 
Mr. BELIN. By the corner window, southwest corner of the sixth floor?
Were you there when Lieutenant Day and Studebaker came in to take pictures?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know of your own personal knowledge whether anything prior to the time that they took the first set of pictures up had been moved there?
Mr. JOHNSON. No, sir; as far as I know, they hadn't been moved. They weren't supposed to have been, and that was our job to keep them out of there, and nobody came in there, I am pretty sure

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Mr. MONTGOMERY. Well, sir, as I say, there was a lot of boxes and there was a sack and there was this pieces of chicken.
Mr. BALL. Was there a piece of chicken over there?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes, sir--there was chicken bones and what not--it looked like somebody had been eating chicken there.
Mr. BALL. Where was that?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. It was right there with the boxes---right there on the floor.
Mr. BALL On the floor?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. All right.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Well, let me see, there was one piece of chicken on a box and there was a piece on the floor--just kind of scattered around right there.
Mr. BALL. Where was the paper sack?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Let's see--the paper sack--I don't recall for sure if it was on the floor or on the box, but I know it was just there----one of those pictures might show exactly where it was.
Mr. BALL. I don't have a picture of the paper sack.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. You don't? Well, it was there--I can't recall for sure if it was on one of the boxes or on the floor there.
Mr. BALL. It was over in what corner?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. It would be the southeast corner of the building there where the shooting was.
Mr. BALL. Did you turn the sack over to anybody or did you pick it up?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes---let's see Lieutenant Day and Detective Studebaker came up and took pictures and everything, and then we took a Dr. Pepper bottle and that sack that we found that looked like the rifle was wrapped up in.
Mr. BALL. Now, where was the Dr. Pepper bottle?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. It was over a little more to the west of that window.
Mr. BALL. There was a sack of chicken bones with that--near that Dr. Pepper bottle?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. No; the Dr. Pepper bottle, the best I can recall, was sitting over there by itself.
Mr. BALL. Where was the sack with the chicken in it?

Mr. MONTGOMERY. It was right around where the boxes were--where the hulls there were.
Mr. BALL. The picture was taken of the sack by Mr. Studebaker, and he said it was the third set of windows near the little two-wheel truck?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Over there by the Dr. Pepper bottle.
Mr. BALL. Correct.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I was thinking it was right there--it was probably that sack I'm thinking about---the one we found on the floor there that was used.
Mr. BALL. Here are two pictures, which are Exhibits H and I in the Studebaker depositions, which show the paper sack and the Dr. Pepper bottle and a two-wheel truck, and that is in Exhibit H, and Exhibit I shows the Dr. Pepper bottle and a two-wheel truck.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Is this the sack right here, now?
Mr. BALL. That's right--do you remember that?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I don't remember the sack being right there--I remember it was there somewhere, but exactly--I don't.
Mr. BALL. Evidently you don't know?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, was there some more chicken some place there also?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes--there would be some more chicken over here around where the hulls were found.
Mr. BALL. Now, I will show you a picture of----
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I know there was one piece laying up on top of the box there.
Mr. BALL. I show you a picture which is Exhibit J, which shows some boxes in the picture that's in the southeast corner there.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Can you tell me where the chicken was?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I believe it was right up on these boxes right along in there. There's some boxes coming along in there.
Mr. BALL. Coming along in there you mean it's outside of the view of the pictures?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes, sir; right along in here.
Mr. BALL. And that would be to the north, of that point?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And what did you see on top of those boxes?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. There was one piece of chicken there.
Mr. BALL. Partially eaten?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes; I believe it was partially eaten---on that picture right there I was just looking at.
Mr. BALL. That's Exhibit J.

Billy Ray Williams 
Don't you mean Billy Ray Cyrus 
Is this a new theory you're working on?
You should team up with Royell.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

LOL!

Good one!

Here it is again for you:

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Please say it again.

Billy Bonnie Ray Williams ate his lunch with Lee in the Sniper's Nest, right?

-- Tom

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Please say it again.

Billy Ray Williams ate his lunch with Lee in the Sniper's Nest, right?

-- Tom

Billy Ray Williams 
Don't you mean Billy Ray Cyrus 
Is this a new theory you're working on?
You should team up with Royell.

TG-

Yes, the MAGA-Moscow-Putin JFKA CT is a rehash of the Old Guard liberal-leftist JFKA CT.

Embarrassing: Oliver Stone, of the JFK movies, is a Putin catamite. 

Putin has sent 1.5 million men to early graves in Ukraine and just promised to keep the war on until every Ukrainian is dead.

Interestingly, the idea that the little girl was turning her head in response to the sound of a shot did not originally come from Rosemary. It was invented by a film 'expert' on the HSCA 'investigation'. Rosemary jumped on the bandwagon decades after the event.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

It's too bad that you put so much emphasis on what the startled-and-traumatized witlessness said or didn't say after the tragic event.

-- Tom