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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson

 

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When you have evidence that answers your inane questions, get back to us.

   During this time period immediately following the kill shot, DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood is supposed to be the only motorcycle officer inside the railroad yard. This was gospel until I proved that this is Not Officer Haygood.  (1) Who is this impostor? & (2) Where is his motorcycle? And, the kicker being that his present course has him heading directly toward the "getaway" car. 

Dear Royell,

Unlike you, I've got the basics right:

Lee Harvey Oswald, a psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter, fired three shots at JFK over 10.2 seconds

-- Tom

I feel very strongly that the first shot was fired at or about Z151 and the total elapsed time for all three shots was about 8.75 seconds. I freely admit my conclusions is based on my analysis of clues I see in the Z-film and does not constitute proof positive. I am curious about those of you who think the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming. How you can give such a precise time that first shot was fired. It can't be based on the Z-film because Zapruder wasn't filming at the time you theorize the first shot was fired.

I pretty much concur with the rest of your conclusions although I would nitpick slightly over one of your time frames. I believe the second shot was fired at Z220 based on the camera jiggle at Z227. The head shot is the easiest to pinpoint and for that shot to have struck at Z313, it would have to have been fired at Z311. I would expect the same lag time between the shot being fired and Zapruder's jiggle reaction for all three shots since the distance between Oswald's rifle and Zapruder's ears was a constant. I believe that to be about 7 frames while acknowledging the true number is likely not an integer.

Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

    This is a Couch Film still frame. It happened at 20 seconds after the kill shot. On the extreme (R) you see Officer Baker running toward the TSBD front door. Behind Officer Baker, we see "2 Guys" moving away from a parked car. In front of Officer Baker, standing on the TSBD front steps, is BILLY LOVELADY. It is Physically Impossible for either of the "2 Guys" we see behind Officer Baker to be Bill Lovelady. Billy Lovelady can Not be in 2 places at the same time.

Of course I remember, Pinko.
This is the lie...sorry, fabrication... I'm talking about, so obviously I remember.
I've argued all along that Shelley immediately ran from the steps and met Gloria coming the other way. He states this in his affidavit. (People such as yourself have to ignore the fact that, during his WC testimony, Shelley completely changes his story, stating that he stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria ran up).
The 'fabrication' I have to keep calling you out on is the part where Shelley calls Lovelady to join him. You've invented that. It's your fabrication. It is not based on any testimonial evidence whatsoever. It's a lie you have to tell because you can't find any other way of getting Lovelady and Shelley on to the Elm Street Ext. within 25 seconds.
You have swallowed down Kamp's 'Lovelady' image without question even though it has been demonstrated that this image is dubious, to say the least, and now it's been pointed out that it's physically impossible for Shelley and Lovelady to do what they attested to in their WC testimonies AND be on Elm St within 25 seconds, you've had to invent this lie. If it's any comfort, Lance "I think I've Had An Accident" Payette did exactly the same thing.

On the other hand, my own identification of Lovelady in Darnell does not require me to lie my way through an explanation and makes perfect sense with the known timings:

   This is a Darnell Film still frame showing the front of the TSBD only 20 seconds after the kill shot. On the (L) we see Officer Baker running toward the TSBD front door. Between Officer Baker and that TSBD front door, we see BILLY LOVELADY. Lovelady is standing in almost the very same spot we see him on the classic Altgens photo. Without a doubt, this is Lovelady and Officer Baker 20 seconds after the kill.