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I believe that Oswald fired three shots, at around z-153, z-222 and z-312.

The shot at z-312 is the best well confirmed, of course.

The shot at z-222 has a lot of support. I think one would have to be firmly wedded to some conspiracy theory to not conclude that both JFK and Connally were wounded at about this time.

The shot at z-153 has a good deal less support, compared to the other two shots. But I think it is pretty compelling. Going by memory, the Zapruder camera jiggle, the Governor Connally head turn and Rosemary Willis slowing down after that, coming to a stop and looking back at the TSBD, all make a compelling case. And with the tree looming up, if Oswald wanted to get in a shot before the tree, he needed to fire about then.

And, as I have posted before, the angular speed of the three shots, plus that of the 1908 Olympic Running Deer competition had the following angular speeds in dps (degrees per second).

z-153:              4.8  dps
1908 Running Dear:  3.2  dps
z-222:              1.9  dps
z-312:              0.58 dps

The angular speed being greater for the shot at z-153 then the Olympic competition shooting gives ample reasons why a shot at z-153 could miss wildly.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 09:41:17 PM »
   Lolich was a lot like Curt Simmons. Simmons never was a 20 game winner, but he was a 1950's workhorse and a big part of the 1950 Phillies "Whiz Kids" team. Simmons was still pitching in 1964 and started 2 World Series games for that championship Cardinal/Gibson team that you guys took down in "68".

I remember Simmons well and without looking it up I believe he ended up with the Cubs at one time.

Lolich did have a 25 win season in 1971 and followed it up with 22 in 1972. He had several more seasons in the high teens even though he served in the National Guard and did two weeks each year away from the team for much of the 1960s. If Lolich posted the numbers today that he did in the 1960s and 1970s, he would be a borderline Hall of Famer but because he pitched in an era when starting pitchers were expected to pitch a lot more than they do now, he doesn't get the credit for it. 217 career wins would certainly get you considered for Cooperstown these days. In 1971 Lolich pitched 29 complete games. By comparison, there were only 28 pitched in the entire American League last year and only three pitchers threw as many as 2.

I just read a book about the 1968 Tigers and learned a story I had never heard before. As his playing days were winding down, Lolich was looking ahead for ways to earn a living. A Tiger fan asked him if he wanted to go partners in a pizza chain he had started. After considering it, Lolich declined and decided to open his own donut shop in the Detroit area. That donut shop did well and was his main source of income for decades to come. The pizza chain did pretty well too. It was started by Mike Ilitch and was the Little Caesars pizza chain. Mr. I as he was called ended up buying the Tigers and the Detroit Red Wings as well. The Red Wings won a Stanley Cup for him but the Tigers lost both World Series they got into under Mr. I.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 09:21:25 PM »
When did you get so twisted?

It's the modern Democrat Party that has gotten so out of touch that normal appears to be twisted to them. I wouldn't expect anyone with stage 4 TDS to understand that.
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In a number of threads, people have brought up the fact that people in the motorcade smelled gunpowder as they were going past the GK. To that my reaction has always been SO WHAT. I think we can safely say no one fired a weapon on Elm St. so the people who got a whiff of gunpowder residue when they were on Elm St. give us no clue as to where that residue was discharged. I thought of this following the recent assassination attempt on President Trump and some of the people smelled the gunpowder in the ballroom even though the assailant never discharged his weapon there. The residue that people smell can drift quite a distance from it's origin. This gives us no indication where that residue was discharged from.
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I don’t see Oswald or any other shooter firing a shot that misses the entire limo IF they are in position using the boxes as a rifle rest.

I normally don't like to make assumptions but I'm going to make an exception here. I'm pretty sure Oswald wasn't trying to shoot the limo.
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Why does anybody engage with this guy? He and Royell Storing have single handedly made the JFK research world look dumber than any pairing since James Fetzer and Jack White !!

I think he's on to something. It looks like the guy on the bridge is firing a finger gun at the motorcade.

It does say something for JFKA conspiracy research community that they have to come up with ever more ridiculous scenarios to try to be relevant. It's not working.
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The path through JBC at z271 would be something like this:

except that the forearm is up higher and closer to the chest with the forearm wound in the path of the bullet exiting just below and medial to the right nipple where it is deflected slightly left and up.  The fifth rib is struck on entry and is bent (breaking near the spine) before the bullet passes through and destroys the last 10 cm of rib sending shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung. The bullet did not pass through the right lung and did not penetrate the chest wall - unlike a shot at z222 which would have had to pass through the chest wall and lung to exit where it did.

Total nonsense. You don't have JBC turned nearly as far as he is in Z271, when his head has turned almost 180 degrees and he is almost facing Oswald.
Just look at the Z272 frame in the previous posts. JBC is in full profile and his shoulders are about 45 degrees to the path of the bullet. Your drawing would have to rotate both JBC's head and shoulders 90 degrees to be even close to accurate.

Even with the manipulated drawing you are forced to postulate  a magic bullet. The harder you try to save this turkey of a scenario, the worse it gets.
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Why does anybody engage with this guy? He and Royell Storing have single handedly made the JFK research world look dumber than any pairing since James Fetzer and Jack White !!

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I don’t see Oswald or any other shooter firing a shot that misses the entire limo IF they are in position using the boxes as a rifle rest.


Not Sure if LNs agree with the WC suggested position that the 6th floor shooter was sitting on that one box by the pipes keeping himself hidden from view in the Hughes film, but that seems to be a plausible position as the shooter can just lean over and place the rifle  on the stacked box arrangement.

So if there was this prearranged box configuration the it seems contrary that the shooter would have Have stood up to take an unaimed hasty shot at Z124.

So I’m going with that idea the shooter DID lean over and was placing the rifle on the box platform as he had planned but he inadvertently squeezed the trigger as he did so.

The other LN alternative is A.Masons 3 aimed shots and 3 hits theory of which the 1st one is thru tree foliage at Z190.

Since I do not  see why more that one shooter is required to do this job, then  my only  CT alternative that might be plausible is the TSBD shouter used a semi auto rifle and that Norman’s “boom click click” description  may be a “ bang, clink clink” where  each shell was auto ejected and bounced on the floor 2 times.

It’s the Pre planting of a misaligned scope rifle that has mail order paper trail Oswald that’s the problem however. If the conspirator shooter went to that much trouble to set up Oswald, surely he would make sure the scope was aligned and zeroed would he not?
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Yet here is Gov. JBC at Z-272 still holding onto the Stetson, after having been shot through the wrst (and the chest).:



Right hand is too high. Bullet goes thru the hat and JC has rotated almost 180 degree around. He would have been hit in the right arm not the back. That the way my eye sees it.

John Mytton, Where are you Superman LN? We need your measuring skills here Lol.
If his arm had been down, the bullet could have gone through the arm.  But with the arm up, it entered at the posterior edge of the right armpit.
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