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Frazier was sure of what he saw:

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

FBI conclusions on markings and fibers in the bag:

Mr. CADIGAN. "There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument."

DPD on the prints on the bag:

Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Mr. BALL. Did you lift any prints?

Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

Not very overwhelming. Is it?

And then you have the threshold "What sense does it make?" question. WHY make a "bag" at the TSBD wrapping station in the first place, with the risks that would entail -  both at the time and including the risk of Frazier or Marina wondering why you have that big crinkly bag folded up inside your jacket? It's certainly possible he made it, but it seems to me an extremely odd and unlikely choice.
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Oswald’s other most ridiculous mistakes include:

1. Ordering a rifle by using a fake name that he had used in letters sent home while he was living in the USSR.

2. Listing that same fake name as an alternate to receive mail  at his own Oswald named P.O. Box.

3. Carrying the same fake ID on his person after leaving the boarding house carrying a revolver linked to the MC rifle mail order receipt.

4. Continuing to carry the revolver on his person after shooting Tippit and even while sitting down in the theater right up to pulling it out as the police officer McDonald approached.

5. Leaving his MC rifle unsecured in the Paines garage while Oswald lived 5 days a week at the boarding house. So how could he be able to practice shooting targets if he didn’t do so when he was visiting at the Paines residence on the weekends?

6. Getting his wife to take pictures of him holding an MC rifle and a revolver on his person while displaying  2 pro Marxist magazines.

7. Not using gloves while making the bag, transporting the rifle in the bag, moving boxes at the SN.

8. Having no plan how to dispose of the rifle so it would never have been found after the shooting.

9. If all the other mistakes above had not been made, it was still a huge mistake for Oswald to leave the TSBD so quickly thereby being absent when all other the TSBD employees remained and were rounded up eventually for roll call.

So even if Oswald had avoided that horrible ( and totally unnecessary.) choice to shoot Tippit execution style , all the OTHER stupid choices virtually guaranteed that he woukd be a prime suspect.

The CT general view seems to be that Oswald  could not have been so stupid  as to make so many ridiculous mistakes. And that perhaps all these pieces of physical evidence were due to some other reason(s) related to any number of CT theories that have been proposed in hundreds of books over 60 years.

This is all well-stated. Much of it has to with choices long before the JFKA would have been in his mind. We do consistently see Oswald just being Oswald - lying and playing games when there is seemingly no reason. I have a relative like this - so "Oswald like" that before I knew him the family suspected he was a CIA agent when in fact he's just an ordinary clod with a paranoid streak who plays these games for some reason that makes sense only to him.

The events of 11-22 to me are best explained by "a guy at the end of his rope making a last minute decision to go out with a bang and not really caring if he died in the process." But yet ... his demeanor that morning really doesn't suggest this, nor does getting his revolver or shooting Tippit. So then I have to add "a guy who was astounded he survived and found himself outside the TSBD, realized he actually had at least some shot at getting away with the crime, and frantically started thinking on his feet as to what to do next." But yet ... going to his rooming house, getting his revolver and walking down the sidewalk doesn't really seem to fit that narrative. And why did he not have Whaley stop right in front of the rooming house - or perhaps even wait and take him far away?

Hence, it does lend itself to CT theories that he knew things and was doing things that don't fit the LN narrative.
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So you think an estimate of the bag's length based on a casual glance outweighs the forensic evidence tying Oswald to the bag. His palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag. The fibers in the bag that matched the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. Isn't it rather odd that no other bag was found in the TSBD.

Forensic evidence should always outweigh eyewitness accounts which are notoriously inaccurate.

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Frazier was sure of what he saw:

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

FBI conclusions on markings and fibers in the bag:

Mr. CADIGAN. "There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument."

DPD on the prints on the bag:

Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Mr. BALL. Did you lift any prints?

Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

Not very overwhelming. Is it?
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There is the possibility that a ground force could be totally robotic. The latest robots can be dropped by Air Force and they could do all the monitoring and patrolling. And we still got lots of small surveillance drones that look like birds, animals and insects.

Robot technology has come a long way but we are still a long way from being able to stage an invasion of robots. So far, we've been able to program them to do very specific tasks. They don't respond well to the unexpected. I am reminded of the recent viral video of a Chinese robot programmed to do a Michael Jackson dance and tripping on the stairs and falling helplessly to the floor.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=video+of+chinese+robot+tripping+doing+a+michael+jackson+dance&mid=D3F45A99CDD075A2E12DD3F45A99CDD075A2E12D&churl=&mmscn=stvo&FORM=VIRE

If we had an army of robots like this, our enemies might die laughing.
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BS: Frazier refused to identify that bag as what he saw that morning.
That doesn't outweigh any bag evidence to the contrary

So you think an estimate of the bag's length based on a casual glance outweighs the forensic evidence tying Oswald to the bag. His palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag. The fibers in the bag that matched the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. Isn't it rather odd that no other bag was found in the TSBD.

Forensic evidence should always outweigh eyewitness accounts which are notoriously inaccurate.
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Oswald’s other most ridiculous mistakes include:

1. Ordering a rifle by using a fake name that he had used in letters sent home while he was living in the USSR.

2. Listing that same fake name as an alternate to receive mail  at his own Oswald named P.O. Box.

3. Carrying the same fake ID on his person after leaving the boarding house carrying a revolver linked to the MC rifle mail order receipt.

4. Continuing to carry the revolver on his person after shooting Tippit and even while sitting down in the theater right up to pulling it out as the police officer McDonald approached.

5. Leaving his MC rifle unsecured in the Paines garage while Oswald lived 5 days a week at the boarding house. So how could he be able to practice shooting targets if he didn’t do so when he was visiting at the Paines residence on the weekends?

6. Getting his wife to take pictures of him holding an MC rifle and a revolver on his person while displaying  2 pro Marxist magazines.

7. Not using gloves while making the bag, transporting the rifle in the bag, moving boxes at the SN.

8. Having no plan how to dispose of the rifle so it would never have been found after the shooting.

9. If all the other mistakes above had not been made, it was still a huge mistake for Oswald to leave the TSBD so quickly thereby being absent when all other the TSBD employees remained and were rounded up eventually for roll call.

So even if Oswald had avoided that horrible ( and totally unnecessary.) choice to shoot Tippit execution style , all the OTHER stupid choices virtually guaranteed that he woukd be a prime suspect.

The CT general view seems to be that Oswald  could not have been so stupid  as to make so many ridiculous mistakes. And that perhaps all these pieces of physical evidence were due to some other reason(s) related to any number of CT theories that have been proposed in hundreds of books over 60 years.

Your whole premise assumes Oswald was hoping to get away with the crime. I think he was perfectly willing to trade his life for JFK's. If that was his mindset, none of the above items could be classified as mistakes.
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The evidence that the bag found by the sniper's nest was the same bag Oswald carried into the TSBD so outweighs the evidence to the contrary that I am surprised you would even consider the possibility.

 BS: Frazier refused to identify that bag as what he saw that morning.
That doesn't outweigh any bag evidence to the contrary
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At least in my view, any explanation - LN or CT - is more plausible if one can articulate a rationale that at least makes sense. As I've stated repeatedly, this is the problem with most CT theories - they simply do not make real-world sense; quite the opposite in fact. Many LNers, on the other hand, posit an Oswald who was almost a madman - something that I believe to be far from true. Or alternatively a madman and an inexplicable riddle (e.g., at Irving the night before). Or alternatively they take the position that "It doesn't matter why he did it or what he was thinking - HE DID IT!" Well ...


I think it is a mistake to look for sensible reasons why a mentally unbalanced person like Oswald did the things he did. These kinds of people don't think like normal people. Why try to make sense of a senseless act? If he was willing to throw his life away by killing JFK, why would we expect him to act rationally.
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"He made the bag for concealing the gun on Thursday at the latest." This is pure speculation. There is evidence that what Oswald was carrying on the morning of the 22nd was not the bag found in the TSBD at all. This is surely one of the weakest links in the LN narrative.

The evidence that the bag found by the sniper's nest was the same bag Oswald carried into the TSBD so outweighs the evidence to the contrary that I am surprised you would even consider the possibility.
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"His traveling to Irving on a Thursday rather than his normal weekend trip is an indication he went there to fetch his rifle." But then you bump up against the behavior that suggests something quite different.

When you say we bump up against behavior that suggests something different, I'm guessing you are talking about his attempt to reconcile with Marina. Maybe if that had been successful, he wouldn't have carried out the assassination. We'll never know that. Two things can be true at the same time. He might have returned to Irving to try to patch things up with Marina and when that failed, he resorted to plan B, killing JFK. All speculation but speculation is all we have when we look for Oswald's motive. We don't need proof positive of what Oswald's motive is to know that he was the assassin. There is ample proof of that.
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If I thought it was all as cut-and-dried as hardcore LNers make it, I'd have a hard time explaining to myself why I was wasting time at a forum such as this. Perhaps the LN narrative is some folks' version of a fundamentalist religion, and anyone who dares to raise questions is an infidel?

I have been convinced of Oswald's sole guilt for over 35 years and I still find the subject fascinating. There's no explaining why people are drawn to certain subjects. As with the question of Oswald's guilt, there is no need to answer the question of why.
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There is the possibility that a ground force could be totally robotic. The latest robots can be dropped by Air Force and they could do all the monitoring and patrolling. And we still got lots of small surveillance drones that look like birds, animals and insects.
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Oswald’s other most ridiculous mistakes include:

1. Ordering a rifle by using a fake name that he had used in letters sent home while he was living in the USSR.

2. Listing that same fake name as an alternate to receive mail  at his own Oswald named P.O. Box.

3. Carrying the same fake ID on his person after leaving the boarding house carrying a revolver linked to the MC rifle mail order receipt.

4. Continuing to carry the revolver on his person after shooting Tippit and even while sitting down in the theater right up to pulling it out as the police officer McDonald approached.

5. Leaving his MC rifle unsecured in the Paines garage while Oswald lived 5 days a week at the boarding house. So how could he be able to practice shooting targets if he didn’t do so when he was visiting at the Paines residence on the weekends?

6. Getting his wife to take pictures of him holding an MC rifle and a revolver on his person while displaying  2 pro Marxist magazines.

7. Not using gloves while making the bag, transporting the rifle in the bag, moving boxes at the SN.

8. Having no plan how to dispose of the rifle so it would never have been found after the shooting.

9. If all the other mistakes above had not been made, it was still a huge mistake for Oswald to leave the TSBD so quickly thereby being absent when all other the TSBD employees remained and were rounded up eventually for roll call.

So even if Oswald had avoided that horrible ( and totally unnecessary.) choice to shoot Tippit execution style , all the OTHER stupid choices virtually guaranteed that he woukd be a prime suspect.

The CT general view seems to be that Oswald  could not have been so stupid  as to make so many ridiculous mistakes. And that perhaps all these pieces of physical evidence were due to some other reason(s) related to any number of CT theories that have been proposed in hundreds of books over 60 years.

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