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The evidence suggests that LHO did some substantial planning for the Walker attempt. Therefore I would fully expect that he had a pretty good estimate of the distance involved with the place that he planned to shoot from. LHO apparently paid extra money for the scope, so it seems to me that he planned to use it for the Walker attempt. With the above in mind, and Marina’s reports of LHO practicing with the rifle, I have to believe that he zeroed the scope for his estimated distance of the Walker attempt (~100’). And I would expect that the scope was still zeroed for that ~100’ distance on 11/22/63.

The iron sights are another story. They are fixed (non-adjustable) at 200-meters if I remember correctly. I will try to find out the exact distance that the iron sights are above the center of the bore and see if I can come up with a ballistics calculation of how far off they would have been at the various distances of the Walker attempt and the distances involved in Dealey Plaza.

The fact that his shot struck the very bottom of the open window sash indicates to me his shot was high of his intended line of fire. Rather than the shot going through the open window, it hit the bottom of the sash. Just an educated guess but I doubt he used the scope for the Walker shooting. The iron sights were fixed and zeroed for 200 meters so at close range, the rifle would aim high. Oswald should have known that but he might have just forgot to make the adjustment.
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Maybe he was just doing the Funky Chicken - ever think of that, huh, huh? It does seem to me that Jackie and Kellerman flinch at the same time, so I simply raise the question as to whether we can be sure that this is a reaction to being hit or possibly merely a reaction to a bullet whizzing past him. What we see JBC doing is pretty much exactly what he said he did, but for some reason he has been relegated to "the one person who had no idea what he was talking about."

A rather silly question. It is what I've come to expect from people who seem desperate to find an explanation for the JFKA other than the right one.
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   "...DIRECTLY in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat..."? Nobody knows the exact position of Connally relative to JFK when that shot struck JFK. They were behind the Stemmons sign. Stop trying to get by with just throwing  BS: against the wall.

The were hidden for approximately 1 second. It is absurd to think there was any significant movement from the line of fire during that 1 second. We see JFK reemerge at Z225 about 1/6 of a second after he was struck. I think we can figure out the alignment of the two men from that.
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It's both [of Connally's] shoulders that raise, not one. They both rise simultaneously.

Exactly! And Connally's necktie does a little dance too:






Lots more at these two links:

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/02/sbt-clips.html

https://Single-Bullet-Theory.blogspot.com
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That is what the HSCA panel observed, although they had JFK’s “severe external stimulus” earlier:

Connally's movements as he emerges from behind the sign at Zapruder frames 222—224 also indicate that he is reacting to a severe external stimulus. He appears to be frowning and there is a distinct stiffening of his shoulders and upper trunk. Then there is a radical change in his facial expression and rapid changes begin to occur in the orientation of his head.

Orr has JBC being shot at Z236 and reacting at Z237, which does seem clearly incorrect even though he cites support from Six Seconds in Dallas and the three Parkland doctors who treated JBC (in terms of how JBC's body would have been oriented). It would seem to me that the critical question is when JFK was hit.
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I wonder if Oswald ever bothered to adjust his scope. At the ranges he fired at both in the Walker attempt and the JFKA, he didn't need competition level precision. A really good marksman probably wouldn't  even need the scope for such short ranges but for an average USMC marksman like Oswald, I can see how it would be helpful, even if not perfectly zeroed of the distance he was firing at. The fact the FBI determined the scope was aiming high indicates it had been zeroed for longer ranges. The scope was also aiming very slightly to the right. The WC theorized the high right aim of the scope might have aided Oswald because the movement of the limo would require Oswald to  lead his target and put his aim point high and to the right. We will never know if Oswald took all of this into account he aimed the rifle. Whether by skill or luck, Oswald did manage to put three of his shots on his intended target because his rifle was the one that fired the shots that struck JFK to the exclusion of all other firearms in the world.

One thing we will never know is what Oswald's aim point was. Was he aiming at the center of mass which would mean the headshot was high or was he aiming at the head which would make the backshot low. That's one of several questions Oswald never answered for us.



The evidence suggests that LHO did some substantial planning for the Walker attempt. Therefore I would fully expect that he had a pretty good estimate of the distance involved with the place that he planned to shoot from. LHO apparently paid extra money for the scope, so it seems to me that he planned to use it for the Walker attempt. With the above in mind, and Marina’s reports of LHO practicing with the rifle, I have to believe that he zeroed the scope for his estimated distance of the Walker attempt (~100’). And I would expect that the scope was still zeroed for that ~100’ distance on 11/22/63.

The iron sights are another story. They are fixed (non-adjustable) at 200-meters if I remember correctly. I will try to find out the exact distance that the iron sights are above the center of the bore and see if I can come up with a ballistics calculation of how far off they would have been at the various distances of the Walker attempt and the distances involved in Dealey Plaza.

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I believe that's what we ex-lawyers call a non-responsive answer. The issue is why JBC's shoulder raises abruptly. I noted that both Kellerman and Jackie seem to flinch - admittedly less - in the same direction at the same time. I further noted that when I whip around, my own shoulder raises noticeably. One possibility is that JBC's shoulder raised because he was hit by the same bullet that hit JFK; another possibility is that it was the natural consequence of him whipping his head around. I'm not arguing for one or the other, merely asking the question if we can be certain about the reason for JBC's shoulder movement. The answer is not a matter of common sense. You think it is because you assume the SBT is correct. This is the fallacy of begging (avoiding) the question. If we knew the SBT was correct, Steve's video and this thread would be pointless. This is what I have described before as your tendency to reason backwards: because we know the SBT is correct, it follows that this is why JBC's shoulder raises.


 It's both shoulders that rise, not one.  They both rise, simultaneously. And Connally wasn't already turning his head when his shoulder's moved upward. He is in the same position he was in the entire travel down Elm Street from the time he jerked his head to his right after having just turned his head to the left.  He jerked his head from left to right within 1/4 of a second, and so did JFK just before Connally did.   The Zapruder film un-spliced film shows this vividly.  Both men did the same, exact thing, except JFK jerked his head a fraction of a second before Connally did.  Watch the film. Connally never changed his position-other than taking his right hand off the top of the side of the car just before the car starts to disappear behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. The first time Connally shows ANY change in his body position is when his facial expression changes and his shoulders raise immediately after the facial expression change, within the next Z frame. 
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Once again, the intrepid John Armstrong was on the case: Here is his Adele Edisen file in the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor. In early 1985, she did provide to the San Antonio FBI office a narrative of the events involving Rivera as well as her own CV with a list of her professional publications. San Antonio forwarded it on to the Director (yep - my good buddy William Webster!  :D :D :D). So she was definitely public with this before Rivera had died.

https://digitalcollections-baylor.quartexcollections.com/Documents/Detail/new-orleans-witnesses-adele-edisen/705722?item=705723

Lance, when I talked with Adele for a combined 9 or 10 hours on the telephone over two weekend days in 2010, she was close to my current age and seemingly as sharp
as a tack. She impressed me so much I turned the phone over to my wife and they had an amiable chat.

She told me her son was an Army Colonel and that she had received help from a then FBI agent, presumably in that San Antonio office and that he managed to get her claims into
the inventory record of the HSCA, despite the investigation being closed at that point. Her attorney, in 1976, had written to the HSCA but had not included the name of his
client.

She shared the name of the, by 2010, former FBI agent. I checked it out, he described his former FBI career to assist in obtaining clients in his current business as a PI.
The same name was also the son of the Officer above Dr. Humes who had assigned Humes to perform the autopsy of JFK.
I kept the name to myself, but I regularly received PMs from Gary Mack, correcting details I posted on the Ed Forum, JFK Debate. He did not post publicly, he got other forum members to do it for him. He was unfamiliar with the name and background of that unusual FBI Agent, turned PI.

His father was RADM EDWARD C KENNEY
https://www.vlm.cem.va.gov/EDWARDCKENNEY/66B65B2

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopsy_of_John_F._Kennedy
......
Navy Surgeon General Edward C. Kenney ordered two naval medical doctors, Commander James Humes and Commander J. Thornton Boswell, to conduct the autopsy.[14] Humes was selected as lead surgeon. Boswell called the decision to conduct the autopsy at Bethesda "stupid" and argued that it should instead be held at the specialized Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) just five miles away. Although both had conducted autopsies, neither were trained or certified in forensic pathology.[15 ...
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Quoting Common Sense
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 11:49:08 PM »
OK, I'm beating this past the point of common sense (and proud of it!  :D). In a long dialogue with Tom at the Ed Forum, here is the esteemed Bill Kelly's take on what this might have been all about. I can't say it makes a whole lot of sense to me, but maybe that's a point in Adele's favor:

My personal opinion is the whole Edisen/Rivera saga is about a security test run, devised in April, 1963, to see if the Secret Service and FBI lines could be trusted or had to be neutralized or compromised further, and indeed Adele does what Rivera tells her she will do and that's to contact the Secret Service BEFORE the assassination and tell them something is wrong. Rice is given the assignment and he wants to know more and opens the door, so when she finally comes in on Sunday, Nov. 24, the test run comes back. Rice and Bartlett then take in everything Adele has to tell them, pass it on to their superiors in DC and Baltimore, and let them put the stoppers in.

Adele was sent out as a sort of trial balloon to see how the security apparatus would respond and who would do the responding, and it appears that even though Adele has a high opinion of Agents Rice and Bartlett, they had to have been compromised for giving Col. Rivera a free "get out of jail" card.

And its a shame that nobody ever got to question Rice and Bartlett about these things before they died.

Most significant, and I'm sure the History Channel's resident historian Steve Gallen and Mr. Morrow should be interested in this - the FBI's Orin Bartlett, liaison to the Secret Service and White House at the time of the assassination, and in on the interview with Adele on Sunday afternoon as Oswald is being shot, this same guy FBI agent Bartlett is the guy that LBJ specifically requested to be aboard AF1 whenever and whereever he traveled. And this request or order was made by LBJ directly to J. E. Hoover, and an order carried out. LBJ told Hoover that he didn't trust the Secret Service and wanted an FBI agent he could trust to be with him when he was aboard AF1.

So it isn't just about Col. Rivera and Dr. Edisen, it's about the individuals she leads us to, especailly John W. Rice and Orrin Bartlett, both of whom become entwined up to their ears, Rice in investigating Oswald in New Oreans and Bartlett as LBJ's private security blanket.



As far as Adele is concerned, I have taken what she has said, and followed up on it as best I can, and unlike other witnesses, she leads me to other witnesses and suspects - all of whom are interesting in their own right - especially Jose Rivera, John W. Rice and Orrin Bartlett.

She certainly didn't make their names up, and when checked, they were exactly what she said they were - a NIH scientists and Col. in Army reserves, the head of the SS in New Orleans and the FBI liaison to the Secret Service, and they each have other roles to play in the Dealey Plaza drama other than what Adele has to say.

So even if you discount everything she says about everything else, these are three aces she brought to the table that would have gone by the wayside had she not called our attention to them.

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I'm not here to please ex-lawyers.
Why do you look at the shoulder raise in isolation with JBC's other movements. The facts that his right arm flipped upward at precisely the same moment JFK's arms started upward and that he was sitting in front of and slightly to JFK's left which put him directly in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat should be enough to convince a person with common sense that they were hit by the same bullet.

I'll never understand why people want to complicate the JFKA when the answers are all so obvious. It's as if people don't want a clear answer.

Maybe he was just doing the Funky Chicken - ever think of that, huh, huh? It does seem to me that Jackie and Kellerman flinch at the same time, so I simply raise the question as to whether we can be sure that this is a reaction to being hit or possibly merely a reaction to a bullet whizzing past him. What we see JBC doing is pretty much exactly what he said he did, but for some reason he has been relegated to "the one person who had no idea what he was talking about."
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