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Do you realize that the KGB no longer exists?  You are under the paranoid influence of a TDS propaganda campaign.

Dear Herr Comrade Smith,

It's easier to say KGB than "the SVR and the FSB, formerly called the FCD (First Chief Directorate) and the SCD (Second Chief Directorate)."

D'oh!

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 02:06:24 PM »
It amuses me how people get their shorts in a bunch trying to nail down precisely who was where in the minutes leading up to the shooting. They ignore the obvious evidence that tells us without question Oswald was in the sniper's nest firing the shots that killed JFK at 12:30. His fingerprints were on the boxes in the sniper's nest. The three shells found at that location were positively matched to Oswald's rifle which was found a short distance away. The only two recovered bullets were also positively matched to that same rifle, which also had Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel where it could only have been placed when the rifle was disassembled. Fibers matching the shirt Oswald was wearing when arrested were found on the butt plate of the rifle. There was also a makeshift bag found near the sniper's nest with Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom. The bag contained fibers that matched the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle when he kept it at the Paine's house.

It is mind boggling that someone could look at all that evidence of Oswald's guilt and come to any other conclusion other than Oswald was the assassin. We have people on this forum willing to disregard all that evidence, yet these same people will mindlessly argue about what the cast of characters in front of the TSBD were doing in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, as if that had any bearing on anything of consequence.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Well the problem for me was the very beginning when Fritz started to interrogate Oswald without a proper way to record his statements. His scribbling notes which he then embellishes later are questionable.

So although I see that   this guy Oswald certainly was acting kind of arrogant and smirking seemingly enjoying his publicity, and being a Marxist and a traitor to his USMC oath, thus I believe him fully capable of being the assassin, its the details of how evidence was acquired that are troublesome to me.

I just have reservations that this looney tune Oswald was not afforded his constitutional right to have attorney present before he was interrogated. Then the line up was obviously not fair. And then the  chain of custody is muddy especially for CE. 399.

So as much as I tend towards the simplest solution being probably the best one , in this case there is so much snafu going on that it introduces reasonable doubt for me at least.

This is why my perspective is not hardcore CT but rather one which attempts to objectively verify for myself if the WC got it right. Some things are indisputable such as the MC rifle serial no. traced to a money order that leads to Oswald’s P.O. Box address. Other things however are not so definitive and in fact are of such level of snafu that it’s difficult to accept it was merely due to overlapping agency miscommunication.




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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:00:08 PM »
These old threads can be hilarious. I guess the schmuck who started this thread is unaware of the fact the Democrats not only invented gerrymandering, they mastered it. That's why there are states where they get 60% of the vote but have 100% of the congressional seats.

As for the clown who predicted 100 years in jail for Trump, how's that working out?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New Look Forum
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 12:30:56 PM »
Thanks.  Yes, that was a good one.  Guess he has everyone on ignore so he only has to follow himself.  very solipsistic, huh ?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New Look Forum
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 12:27:56 PM »
Yeah, finally figured out how to get rid of that sidebar.  Do you still have the ‘ignore’ feature ?  Asking for my protégée, Big Jim DiEugenio lol

Is that the same Jim DiEugenio that has a website Called Kennedy Sand King? (You'll Never Unsee that now  :D)

Anyway, Yes, it's in the sidebar PROFILE/BUDDIES/IGNORE https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore;u=3





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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New Look Forum
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 12:15:12 PM »
Yeah, finally figured out how to get rid of that sidebar.  Do you still have the ‘ignore’ feature ?  Asking for my protégée, Big Jim DiEugenio lol
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / New Look Forum
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 12:09:23 PM »
How about this new modern and cleaner look for the Forum? YES? NO?

The pages also adjusts to appear like an app for most Cell Phones / Mobile Phones

I still need to do some more work on a few things, but everyone let me know if you approve it or not. I can change back to ther previous look at any time.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 11:22:36 AM »
so, did he ever get elected?  or still in some fever dream ? dreaming of Golden Arches

with an eagle on top, like a gold cherry on a Sunday.  build it and they will come.  by the hundreds of thousands. 

gonna have fun removing his name from EVERYTHING !! Mondial !
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 09:43:35 AM »
“It’s the arrangement of those 3 boxes that had to be completed before the Bronson film starts at 12:25 which is problem. It’s going to be really close if BRW did not leave that window until 12:23 cause the shooter has to wait for BRW to walk abut 160 ft and get on the elevator and operate it before the shooter could be confident BRW was gone from the floor.”

This is nothing but pure conjecture to think it was constructed after BRW left the floor. Where does that come from?
It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes. Remember Givens saw him walking from that direction.
Or done before BRW returned to the 6th floor.

Unfortunately, Rowland is every CT’s wet dream. The mistake is believing anything Rowland stated as having any basis in reality. After he said he watched the parade the WC should have said OK thanks for coming.  Reread Rowland’s testimony but this time read it with the idea you want to know how many times did the WC catch him fabricating stories or outright lying to them. He is that guy.

Here is a few. I counted at least 9 times. Start at the beginning when he is telling them he went to the eye doctor and his eyesight was better than 20-20. Then why was he there. It just gets worse from that point.

 There is no such thing as a 30 odd six rifle. You cannot tell the caliber of rifle by looking at it. Especially from 200 feet away. He knew it was a high powered scope, seriously.

His description of the guy in the window is ridiculous and completely wrong. Was the guy standing at the window or back inside the room.
Three different descriptions of the man he saw. When asked if he looked back at the 6th floor window after the shooting he said first no, then maybe, then yes. If you heard gunfire wouldn’t that be the first place you would look. At the place you supposedly saw a man with a rifle.

He used to go back to the building, look at it, and reconstruct the assassination in his mind. This is why they were making fun of him throughout the testimony. They knew he was lying to them and just a big BS artist caught up in the moment.

Eventually they had to bring his wife to testify about his believability.

It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes

 :D :D :D
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Yesterday at 07:10:38 AM »
He had over 4 hours to do that.
The Bronson film briefly shows the Hertz Clock but I can't make out a time on it. Maybe somebody has a clearer copy. Let's say for the sake of argument it does say 12:25. So what. That leaves Oswald 5 minutes to stack the boxes. Not difficult at all.
You're overthinking this. We KNOW three shots were fired from the sniper's nest. We have 3 spent shells found in the nest and the three employees one floor below who not only heard the shots, but heard the rifle being cycled and shells hitting the floor. That tells us that the shooter overcame any obstacles you have imagined. That holds true no matter who you believe fired the shots from the sniper's nest.
Obviously, he was able to do that in time because he got off three shots after the limo turned on Elm St. The boxes were stacked by the window so obviously it was possible for Oswald to do that unless you want to argue he stacked the boxes after he fired the shots.
The shooter got all those things done which pretty much renders your arguments moot.
Do you think the boxes got there by magic?
I have no idea where you are going with this line of thinking. The boxes got stacked which proves the person who stacked the boxes had the time to do it.

You're overthinking this. We KNOW three shots were fired from the sniper's nest. We have 3 spent shells found in the nest and the three employees one floor below who not only heard the shots, but heard the rifle being cycled and shells hitting the floor. That tells us that the shooter overcame any obstacles you have imagined. That holds true no matter who you believe fired the shots from the sniper's nest.

You do not know anything, what is known is that you cannot and have not proven there were three shots. Your own posts do not support that you believe what you are stating. Three shells means nothing more than three shells. The witnesses on the floor below are two shot witnesses. BRW flat out stated there were two shots and Jarman and Norman both state the second shot was the head shot. Not one of them could be misconstrued as having supported an early missed shot.

These three are the witnesses you have stated could not be confused by the sound and they stated the first shot hit JFK and the second shot is the headshot. You also have stated that the second shot could be interpreted as a double sound from one shot and then question is that what 75% of the witnesses reported. A shot with a double sound, but not two separate shots.

The early missed shot is just all talk with no substance. There is no difference between you and any other three shot narrative. Wrong is wrong, no matter where you place the phantom shot, nothing more. You blindly adopted this theory, and it looks like you don't know how to get away from it given your history of defending it. Two shots explains everything, every aspect, three shots does not explain anything.
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