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     JOHN - You say you shook that glove "all about". As pictured, your wrist looks larger than the glove opening.   
                We have no idea what led this impostor to be without a glove. We also have no idea why Haygood would be without a glove either. Being this impostor is 1st seen at the rear of the string of train cars, I think whatever happened, happened right there. Whether inside a train car or on the other side of the train cars. As I have mentioned before, we do Not know what was on the other side of that string of train cars. We also can Not see inside the train cars.

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     JOHN - You say you shook that glove "all about". As pictured, your wrist looks larger than the glove opening.

This is now getting ridiculous, the most practical way to carry the glove would be to do it as I have shown and the fact that your best comeback is to doubt my honesty, isn't very nice.
The following end on photo shows that my glove was simply doubled over, which just makes carrying the glove more comfortable, whereas your scenario seems to be a glove should be held in any specific way that distracts from your "theory". 



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We have no idea...
We also have no idea why Haygood...
we do Not know....
We also can Not see....

This perfectly sums up your conspiracy, you have taken an event which I have explained to you in intricate detail and given a logical plausible sequence of events and now you are just splitting the already split hairs. Your "imposter" theory as you have just repeatedly said has no reasonable explanation, like you said "you have no idea" and for that matter everyone, besides you, who has looked into this keeps telling you that it makes no sense and goes nowhere. Any potential assassins and their equipment would have been long gone, they would have jumped in a car and sped off and your latest theory of these "Boogey men" hiding in a stationary train car is just another desperate attempt to keep this silliness alive.
But in closing just let me repeat this very important fact, and repeat after me, "When your lone patsy is high and behind having ANY frontal shooter is real stoopid"!

JohnM
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JC--

Re the gunsmoke smell in DP in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA:

We know, from coats and dresses, that the wind was blowing towards the TSBD at the time of the JFKA.

Ergo, the TSBD6 sniper's gunsmoke was not down by the GK.

IMHO, the nose-witnesses smelled gunsmoke down by the GK as there was in fact gunsmoke down by the GK area.
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Seems like it would be taking an unnecessary risk for an imposter cop to be walking around with real cops several minutes after the assassin(s) have already probably escaped the scene entirely.

But let’s give Royell  credit for discovering the only one glove cop in the whole area which hitherto has been completely unnoticed by hundreds of thousands of JFK enthusiasts  over 60 years of inspecting every photo and film frame by frame.

    ZEON - Thank you.  I believe the job of this impostor cop was that of "crowd control" immediately after the kill shot. You notice on the Darnell Film, he trails directly behind Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig. Almost step for step as they move along the string of train cars. He's waving people away from the train cars or possibly the other side of the train cars. We have no idea what was directly behind or inside those passenger train cars immediately after the kill shot.
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Here's me holding my leather motorcycle glove, and what do you know, it looks a near exact match for size and shape as the glove seen being held by Haygood and when I shook it all about it had very little flex! And besides an "imposter" would be much more aware to carry out his charade dressed completely as a regular motorcycle cop whereas Haygood actually being a motorcycle cop and not knowing he would be heavily scrutinized by Royell 60+ years later couldn't give a stuff.



JohnM

     JOHN - You say you shook that glove "all about". As pictured, your wrist looks larger than the glove opening.   
                We have no idea what led this impostor to be without a glove. We also have no idea why Haygood would be without a glove either. Being this impostor is 1st seen at the rear of the string of train cars, I think whatever happened, happened right there. Whether inside a train car or on the other side of the train cars. As I have mentioned before, we do Not know what was on the other side of that string of train cars. We also can Not see inside the train cars.
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JC-

I dunno.

There are so many witnesses to the smoke-and-bang show at the GK, and the 100% telltale smell of gunsmoke in that area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, that I have to suspect there was at least a diversion from the GK.

So, at a minimum, that is a party of two in the JFKA.

The entry wound to the volar side of JBC's wrist is inexplicable. Try putting a watch on your right wrist the normal way, and then touching the watch dial to your navel. Dr. Robert Shaw, JBC's surgeon, a someone with a great deal of experience (he treated 700 wartime bullet wound victims) thought it inexplicable JBC's wrist wound resulted from the same bullet that entered JBC's back and existed his front.

As stated, I am of the view JBC was struck ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, and that suggests two shooters behind the limo.

I don't think the JFKA required much planning or expertise---that is usually the CT mania, meaning that CIA did it, or Mossad. Maybe LHO's confederates, like LHO, had military training.

LHO got lucky with the final motorcade route. Otherwise, he and a confederate might have taken up positions elsewhere along the motorcade route. Or maybe even dropped the idea.

IMHO, the problem with CT'ers is they insist LHO was totally uninvolved in the JFKA.

The LN'ers insist no one else was involved at all in the JFKA, except LHO. 

I think LHO was involved in the JFKA C.

Just IMHO.

The scenario that you are subscribing too, means that there was shooters behind and in front and since the "conspirators" wanted to have a lone gunman behind, why on Earth would they place any shooter in the front, I'd understand a dozen shooters in the buildings behind but a single shooter in front and the plan is ruined.
But let's look at the evidence of the earwitnesses, the majority of these witnesses heard only 3 shots and the vast majority heard shots from only one direction, now in the echo chamber of Dealey Plaza some witnesses were confused to the actual direction but if they were caught in an actual cross fire this would be immediately apparent. And since we all know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck in the back then we can confirm that ALL the shots came from behind.

The majority of Earwitnesses heard three shots.



Only a tiny fraction heard shots from more than one direction, which effectively rules out the illogical frontal assassin.



JohnM
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This is from Moorman... Looks like a gunman or a spotter...



A subsonic 6.5mm or 5.56 mm round fired in a short barrel 10” rifle with suppressor and no one would have heard it.

But this position from the GK pergola would be shooting laterally at a moving target so I’m not sure a professional would choose this spot on the GK where Betzner and Willis are pointing cameras at and where lots of the crowd are looking at.

There is no indication on the JFK lateral skull X-rays that there was damage on the left side of the skull where such a lateral shot from the GK pergola would have exited , except possibly the Harper fragment if it came from the top of the skull ( which is debated).

Nonetheless, the mystery man in black walking away along the low wall from this GK pergola location seconds after the head shot at Z313  is an amazing coincidence to consider.

 
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Dear Gravedigger,

Why would the avowed Marxist commie Oswald want to kill a commie libtard JFK? Seems kind of counterproductive unless Oswald really thought JFK was an America 1st type president. Maybe Oswald was suffering from Kennedy Derangement Syndrome LOL.

Why would we think crackpots think logically. Why did Mark Chapman kill John Lennon. Why did Charles Whitman climb the clock tower on the University of Texas campus and kill about dozen people at random and wound many more. Why do any of these rampage shooters do what they do. It makes no sense. Oswald had a motive. We just don't know what it was. It's fun to guess but we will never know. I have my own guess but that guess is no more or less valid than anybody else's. It is not necessary to prove motive in order to convict someone of murder. It can be useful in establishing premeditation, but still not necessary. The WC briefly speculated about possible motives for Oswald while recognizing it was speculation. They came to no conclusion about motive nor was it necessary to do so. They gave us ample evidence that Oswald committed the act. That's all we really need to know.
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JC-

I dunno.

There are so many witnesses to the smoke-and-bang show at the GK, and the 100% telltale smell of gunsmoke in that area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, that I have to suspect there was at least a diversion from the GK.

So, at a minimum, that is a party of two in the JFKA.

The entry wound to the volar side of JBC's wrist is inexplicable. Try putting a watch on your right wrist the normal way, and then touching the watch dial to your navel. Dr. Robert Shaw, JBC's surgeon, a someone with a great deal of experience (he treated 700 wartime bullet wound victims) thought it inexplicable JBC's wrist wound resulted from the same bullet that entered JBC's back and existed his front.

As stated, I am of the view JBC was struck ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, and that suggests two shooters behind the limo.

I don't think the JFKA required much planning or expertise---that is usually the CT mania, meaning that CIA did it, or Mossad. Maybe LHO's confederates, like LHO, had military training.

LHO got lucky with the final motorcade route. Otherwise, he and a confederate might have taken up positions elsewhere along the motorcade route. Or maybe even dropped the idea.

IMHO, the problem with CT'ers is they insist LHO was totally uninvolved in the JFKA.

The LN'ers insist no one else was involved at all in the JFKA, except LHO. 

I think LHO was involved in the JFKA C.

Just IMHO.

There is no forensic evidence of a shooter from any location other than the sniper's nest in the TSBD. The smell of gunpowder gives us no clue as to where that smell originated. Some people thought the shots sounded like they came from the GK and others thoughtit sounded like it came from the direction of the TSBD. The TSBD earwitnesses are supported by a wealth of forensic evidence found in the TSBD as well as an eyewitness to saw the shooter fire the final shot. There is no corroboration to support the GK earwitnesses. I know which group I'm putting my money on.

Of course LHO was "involved". He was the one who did it. He needed no help and there is no credible evidence he had any.

IMHO your IMHO is FUBAR.
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SMG--

Thanks for your collegial comment.

Well...it sure is open to interpretation.

Does JBC look startled by the sound of gunfire and an impact in his vicinity? Or is he struck himself?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z224.jpg

In the above frame, JFK has already been struck. JBC is as straight as a flag pole.

I do wonder about JBC's right hand, which appears to holding his cowboy hat a little high in relation to his body, for a shot to have passed through the wrist and then into his leg.

Well, I am sure we both have our views on this topic, and maybe we are not on the same page.

That is what a forum is for.
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This is no nuttier than many of the other ideas floated by the conspiracy hobbyists. In golf terms, this isn't a bogey. It's a par.
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