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Charles, is your 1/24th scale limo one of these expensive puppies ($350 and $220): https://livecarmodel.com/products/1-24-road-signature-1961-lincoln-x-100-limousine-quick-fix-with-flags-diecast-car-model.html?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18077476773&gbraid=0AAAAADoejY_6hAEUgmAXenm__jshLs4QY&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_vnQBhCxARIsADcZyxKNOaowPvrZU4E0x86POs6nBC1JUlA76h5k4EqTPTv3dPtPbXYTtzcaAoVvEALw_wcB. I may spring for one and see what I can do with a tiny Mafia guy on the roof of a 1/24th scale Dal-Tex building.  :D

It might be the same. However my box says it was made by Luckydiecast.com. I have had mine a few years now. It wasn’t quite that expensive normally, and I found a steeply discounted vendor price. I don’t remember who it was but it seems like it was some women’s group of some sort. Here’s a photo of the back of the box. I apologize for it being upside down. Something funky seems to be going on with the image hosting site.



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I am on this, people! I've already lined up my 1/24 scale Mafia gunmen, and it appears there are multiple choices for a 1/24 scale Carlos Marcello. The 1/24 scale Dal-Tex building is going to be larger than my actual house, so we may have to go with a "Potemkin village" Dal-Tex building (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village).

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I'm speculating and I don't pretend to know this for a fact. It's really not important which sights he used. Either would likely aim high at such a short range and not surprising, the bullet struck the bottom of the window frame instead of passing through the open window. Maybe he did adjust for the short range and just fired a poor shot. It's not important to know why his shot went high. We just know that it did and likely saved Walker's life.

There's nothing wrong with speculating about things we don't have definitive evidence for as long as we recognize our speculations aren't evidence. Your problem is you use your speculations as excuses to dismiss the conclusive evidence that Oswald was the assassin. Sure, there's all that forensic evidence that Oswald was the assassin, but you try to cast doubt on that evidence because Oswald made different decisions than you think he should have made such as using his mail order rifle instead of buying an untraceable one locally. You use Oswald's attempt to reconcile with Marina as being inconsistent with someone planning to kill JFK. You disregard the fact he broke his routine by coming to Irving on a Thursday instead of the weekend and that he brought the bag he made at the TSBD with him to smuggle the rifle into the TSBD. I believe that is known as Malice Aforethought which is evidence of premeditation. Maybe he would have abandoned his plan to kill JFK if Marina had agreed to reconcile. We'll never know that. What we have ample evidence of is that he did smuggle his rifle into the TSBD the next morning and used it to kill JFK. None of your speculations about Oswald's mindset does anything to negate that evidence.

OK, I'm bored, so let's examine this. It's not a matter of what I think Oswald "should" have done. It's a matter of what it seems to me that someone of Oswald's intelligence who was thinking rationally would have done; since that isn't what he did, I wonder why he did what he did (or if he actually did it) and do not immediately leap to the typical LN responses of "it's irrelevant" (well, no it's not) or "Oswald was a madman" (well, no, he wasn't). Yes, he made an unusual trip to Irving the evening before the JFKA - highly suspicious. On the other hand, both Ruth and Marina accepted that he was there to try to make peace with Marina, and he made great efforts to do exactly that. The extent of those efforts and his reactions that Marina described are "just a bit" hard to explain if he was really there to get his rifle and shoot JFKA. Neither Ruth nor Marina saw anything like the mysterious paper bag or any conduct by Oswald suggesting he was taking the rifle out of the blanket and wrapping it in the bag. Indeed, as Martin has pointed out, there is no solid evidence that the rifle was even in the garage on 11-21. No one saw him making the bag in the TSBD, which would have been an odd choice anyway, and Frazier neither saw nor heard any evidence of it on the ride to Irving. Then, of course, we have Frazier's and Randle's stubborn insistence that the bag they saw was too short. It may well be that the LN version of events is 100% correct, but to suggest it's free of all doubt goes too far. Moreover, we encounter this at virtually every stage of the JFKA. For some reason, we weren't blessed with a cut-and-dried case that Perry Mason could've wrapped up in an hour.
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At the very least, Oswald murdered two people in cold blood. Regardless of who they were, double homicide is a despicable act.  His actions also had longstanding cultural implications in my opinion that remain with us today.  He let the genie out of the bottle that every angry nut can take a gun and make is mark.  School shooting, mass shootings, other assassinations, and the security state that presidents must now live in can all be traced back to Nov. 22.  The merits or lack thereof of JFK have nothing to do with that.  The Camelot myth was a product of leftist revisionist history but that doesn't minimize the harm.

That's a fair perspective - certainly more balanced than John's. But my God, there are at least 100 news stories every year involving multiple murders that are factually more ghastly than the JFKA. I read them, factor them into my perspective on human nature and what humans are capable of, and move on. I do think you grossly overstate the case in terms of Oswald letting a genie out of the bottle. There were surprisingly ghastly crimes long before Oswald, and the 1970's and 1980's looked nothing like today in terms of what you're describing. I think the near-hell we're living in today is due to factors much more recent than the JFKA. John's suggestion was that there is something illegitimate about anyone who is interested in the JFKA for any reason other than "JFK angst" and visceral hatred of Oswald. As stated, I'm very interested in Oswald the man and can have empathy for him without minimizing his actions. I can also be interested in the JFKA simply as a whodunnit and opportunity to exercise my brain, all of which I believe to be entirely legitimate. I actually think that the attitudes John expresses are an impediment to thinking critically about the case.
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We both recognize the difficulty of the early shot. You believe Oswald wouldn't have taken that shot on purpose due to the difficulty and I believe he took the shot even with the difficulty and missed as a result. Either seems plausible to me and there's only one person who knew the truth and he's not talking. I don't think a 3' miss would be necessary to miss the entire limo. JFK was as far to his right as possible. I estimate it would only be about 18" from his center of mass to the outside of the car. It would likely have required a miss of about 2' to miss the car entirely.  Given he likely would have raised up into a crouching position to fire at such a steep downward angle and probably wouldn't have been able to use the boxes to steady his aim, a miss of 2' seems reasonable to me.

I used to work on the 6th floor of an office building and my window was along an alley. The angle of the alley wasn't the same as Elm St. and the window didn't have a low sill like the 6th floor of the TSBD. Still, I was able to imagine myself trying fire downward at a moving target in the alley and it seemed it would have been a very difficult shot. I don't think it is a stretch to think Oswald would miss that shot badly.



I think I determined the 3’ miss distance based on my 3D computer model. I decided to try another approach using my 1/24th scale model of the limo. If we scale the 2’ and 3’ distances to 1/24th scale, they are 1” and 1.5” respectively. I cut 2” and 3” diameter targets and centered them on JFK’s head. The angles are reasonably close to the angles at Z133. Here are some resulting images:


The first image shows the two targets with a clear ruler laid on top of them in order to show their respective diameters.




The second image shows the 2” target centered on JFK’s head. This scales to be a 4’ diameter target.





The third image shows the 3” target centered on JFK’s head. This scales to be a 6’ diameter target.




As can be seen above, the 3” diameter target barely covers the limo and only at a small section of its circumference.
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McLain offered no evidence of a second shooter, only his speculations. Some witness.

He was only asked for his opinion. Sorry the answers didn't go the way you would have liked. I'm sure you loved his answers about the acoustical evidence. Where he would be a lawyer's dream as a witness is (1) his demeanor, which pretty much screams credibility; (2) he answers only what is asked in the most straightforward manner and doesn't expand or speculate; (3) and I simply love his no-BS folksy disdain for the questions, as though the entire exercise is just a bit silly. Because you are not a lawyer - keep reminding yourself of that, please - and have not seen how badly even carefully prepared witnesses can perform at a deposition or trial, you have no appreciation of how great this guy is. Sorry the answers didn't go the way you would have liked - oops, I repeated myself!
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I was 13 years, 8 months, so perhaps I have a more mature perspective. I never felt the slightest connection to JFK, positive or negative. Nor do I hate Oswald any more than I hate John Wilkes Booth or the obscure assassins of Garfield and Mckinley. What was supposedly taken from us, other than JFK himself? Is charisma a big loss? LBJ to me was about as uncharismatic as they get, but he was far more qualified to be President. Am I still supposed to be grieving something? I truly don't get what, in 2026, the "JFK angst" is all about.

At the very least, Oswald murdered two people in cold blood. Regardless of who they were, double homicide is a despicable act.  His actions also had longstanding cultural implications in my opinion that remain with us today.  He let the genie out of the bottle that every angry nut can take a gun and make is mark.  School shooting, mass shootings, other assassinations, and the security state that presidents must now live in can all be traced back to Nov. 22.  The merits or lack thereof of JFK have nothing to do with that.  The Camelot myth was a product of leftist revisionist history but that doesn't minimize the harm.
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In my experience, many CTers believe that those of us who conclude that Oswald is the lone shooter somehow have a vested interest in that outcome.  As though we have a vendetta against Oswald who died before most of us were born or just want to accept the "official" story without being open to their claims.  Nothing can be further from truth.  I believe that John Wilkes Booth WAS involved in a conspiracy to assassinate Lincoln.  I came to that conclusion based upon the evidence and nothing else.  I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK all by his lonesome and was not involved in a conspiracy because the evidence links Oswald to this crime beyond any doubt and there is no credible evidence that links him to any other person or organization.  There may be some things that can never be known about Oswald's motivation and actions because only he would know and took precautions not to be detected before committing this crime.  There can be reasoned conjecture based on common sense and known facts but we can't ever have perfect knowledge to explain every action.  None of that, however, should be conflated with creating any doubt as to his guilt in light of the existing evidence that links him to this crime.  I've read all manner of explanations and conjecture by CTers on this forum and elsewhere and have never come across an iota of real evidence that gives me pause about Oswald's guilt.  Again, not because I'm not open to the possibility of conspiracies or hate Oswald or am programmed to accept the "official" story but because there is no such evidence.
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I had been watching ABC earlier this evening when I fell asleep. When I woke up, I realized ABC was rebroadcasting Truth and Lies: Who Killed JFK which I had seen earlier although I can't remember exactly when. My best guess is it was last fall, possible around the anniversary of the assassination. They had a typical cast of LN defenders as well as skeptics. Dale Meyers and Oliver Stone both had significant participation in the program. It had a little bit for everybody, both from the LN viewpoint and the CT side. There was nothing new about any of it. The same issues and arguments were being made that I have seen in 35 years of discussing the JFKA online. Those of us on the LN side see no mystery to what happened. All the forensic evidence points to LHO and nobody else. The CTs raise the same questions that have been asked and answered ad infinitum. It wasn't a program that was going to change anybody's mind one way or the other. Those of us on the LN side are confident we know how the assassination went down and those on the opposing side keep raising the questions but never any real evidence. All this program might have done was possibly introduce a new generation of viewers to the issues surrounding the assassination without providing any definitive answers. The case will never be explained to everyone's satisfaction. That isn't a problem for those of us on the LN side of the debate. We know who killed JFK.

The problem with these types of shows - which I believe are targeted to people who know little or nothing about the case - is that they feel the need to be balanced.  If you were airing a show on whether the Earth was flat or round, you really don't promote knowledge by giving equal time to those peddling flat Earth nonsense.  In addition, to get viewers, they need to spice up these programs.  If they just came out and said the obvious that Oswald did it, there was no conspiracy, good night, the ratings would be low.  So they have to entertain all the nutty theories to make it more interesting. Cuba, the Mob, CIA etc. The net result is that anyone who casually views this kind of program walks away with the impression that there may be doubt about Oswald's guilt. 
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