JFK Assassination Forum

Thanks Dan and Royell. This image appears to me to show that the cop’s holster is on his right thigh. Also, something is in his left hand (perhaps his glove?). I would assume that he removed his right glove with his left hand to be able to draw and handle his weapon better, if necessary. I suspect that this is standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside. Just my opinion.

 BUMP

     This is not a failure to remember "every detail" 15 yrs later. There is a stark contrast between what Witt Testified to, vs the Image Evidence recovered after his HSCA Testimony.  At the time, Witt knew there was no image evidence to discredit his story. He had been deposed just like every WC witness was prior to their Q/A. This is what led to Witt proffering the prop umbrella. So he lied. You have a blatant bias. This taints your opinions/observations.

I have to admit, I am biased. I have bias toward believing things that are supported by actual evidence as opposed to suppositions which is your preferred MO. It is absurd to think that Witt should have remembered every minute detail about his actions and the sequence in which they occurred 15 years after the fact. I can't think of any event in my life that I could have recalled with absolutely clarity and accuracy 15 years later. Why would you demand such clarity from Witt. I guess when you don't have any real evidence to support your silly beliefs you are forced to make mole hills out of ant hills.

    ALL of the above does NOT answer my question. "What's your incontrovertible evidence that he was inside the sniper's nest at 12:30 PM?".
    YOU can Not put Oswald inside the sniper's nest when shots were fired. Like I said, I believe he was involved in the assassination. He probably constructed the sniper's nest. He probably was also responsible for the "Wide Open" Huge Gates. Those Huge Gates permitted clandestine entrance and exit from the TSBD. This would include Oswald's exit from the TSBD after he was confronted by DPD Officer Baker inside the lunchroom. Oswald knew their plan was falling apart when he was confronted that quickly. But, you simply can Not put Oswald inside the sniper's nest at 12:30 PM. Again, your bias is getting in the way of any sound judgement on your part. This is a recurring theme, and continues tainting your opinions/observations.

If the evidence I listed isn't enough to convince you Oswald was the assassin, I can't help you. It would be sufficient for anyone with an ounce of common sense.

I don't need to put Oswald in the sniper's nest when the shots were fired. Oswald put Oswald in the sniper's nest when the shots were fired. It's amazing that you accept that Oswald took part in the assassination but can't bring yourself to acknowledge that he was the one that pulled the trigger. The strongest argument that it was Oswald who fired the shots are the fibers that matched his shirt found on the butt plate of the rifle. The recoil of the rifle would forcefully drive the butt plate into Oswald's shirt. Here's where common sense enters into the picture. That is why fibers from Oswald's shirt were on the butt plate of the rifle. You have zero evidence that anybody else was in the sniper's nice when the shots were fired but you are more than willing to simply ignore all the evidence it was Oswald who fired the shots and assume somebody else did. The forensic evidence alone screams that Oswald did it, but you and every other conspiracy hobbyist over the past six decades are desperate to believe it was anybody but Oswald who did it. Why is that?

I know this is almost a rhetorical question, but what evidence do you have that "Oswald knew their plan was falling apart when he was confronted that quickly". We both know you don't deal in evidence. Assumptions seem much more appealing to you then what the evidence indicates.

One last point. Anybody who believes the nonsense you believe in which isn't supported by a shred of evidence ought not be casting aspersions about other people's "sound judgement".

Dear Royell,

When suit and pompadour hairstyle-wearing Shelley and plaid-shirt-wearing Lovelady (with his receding hairline and bald spot) started walking towards the railway yard / parking lot from the TSBD steps (or perhaps from where they had spoken with Gloria Calvery on or near the "island") should they have walked down the sidewalk so as to not get something like a jaywalking ticket?

-- Tom

   You see Officer Baker there? Baker's timeline is that he was inside the TSBD 30 seconds after the kill shot. This means what we are seeing on this Couch still frame is happening roughly 20 seconds after the kill shot. 20 seconds is simply Not enough time for Calvery to move down the Elm St sidewalk, talk with Shelley and Lovelady, and then for Shelley and Lovelady to begin walking down the Elm St Extension. Now, if you wanna change the 62+ yr old time stamping of DPD Officer Baker, I would be interested in hearing that. Of course, having Officer Baker enter the TSBD at a  later point in time, also then changes when Baker confronts Oswald inside the TSBD 2nd floor lunchroom too. And, the Later that you put Baker on the stairwell inside the TSBD, the better the chance that Sandra Styles & Vicki Adams had completed coming down that same stairwell ahead of Baker even reaching it. This would then bolster the Adams/Styles claim claim of Not hearing Oswald coming down that same stairwell from the 6th floor sniper's nest.

By the time that tiny map had been published, the Times Herald and Morning News had already published text descriptions of the motorcade route including the Main-Houston-Elm-Stemmons jog. I keep pointing out that the Elm/Main/Commerce-Stemmons interchange is designed specifically to prevent westbound traffic on Main from entering the northbound entry ramp to Stemmons. If you wanted to get to Stemmons from downtown, you had to do it from Elm.

It is the previous map printed on the 22nd