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Bill, youíre exactly right. And something youíve probably thought of but didnít mention that applies particularly in this case is fear. (There has been a lot of speculation about conspiracy and mysterious deaths surrounding the assassination.) Many witnesses were never contacted. And some were deeply traumatized by the events.

I wouldnít even try to contact anyone who has indicated a preference for privacy. The same for anyone who I think was traumatized.

Edit: Howard Brennan is a hero for his decision to get involved. His description of Oswald was crucial. And there is a reasonable chance that he could have recognized Oswald as he walked out of the TSBD and pointed him out if he hadnít been distracted by unwanted reporters.
Hugh Aynesworth, the Dallas reporter who was one of if not the first on the scene at the TSBD after the shooting, gives this account of him trying to interview people (this is from his book "Eyewitness to History"):

"Some witnesses hurriedly shared a few comments with me. Some feared being quoted by name. One woman said she worked in the depository building, "and I'll be damned if I am going to tell you what I believe..."

And this: "I saw [Howard] Brennan talking to two officers and tried to poke my nose into the conversation. "I saw him up there in the window," I heard him say as he pointed toward Oswald's sniper's nest. "No doubt he was the one. He wasn't even in much of a hurry."

One cop asked if Brennan could describe the shooter. "Of course", he answered, "I saw him real good."

Then Brennan noticed me and moved away, asking the officers as he did so to keep me and the other reporters away from him--a request they were glad to fulfil. Brennan, I later learned, feared talking to the press else he endganger himself or his family.
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Roger Craig was a danger because he witnessed a second Oswald.

You mean this guy?



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DP-TM= 5mins
@TM for 5mins
TM-PH= 5mins
NP.

Also, "SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men"...
Grabbing a police car and inviting Wiegman and Atkins to join him actually fits the bill if you allow yourself to read it that way and Wiegman footage on the way to Parkland shows he was in a covered vehicle, not a convertible.

Circumstantial evidence, that's all recollections are.
There is no doubt that Johns was technically in a good position to hear something coming from the building, near it, or even the GK, like the occupants of the FUC were seconds before but just like Hill, his vehicle was travelling too fast for him to jump out and run forward, he would have had to have waited for it to slow like Hill did and since he was further back in the chain(reaction) I highly doubt he reacted before the "third shot".  Then we have Wiegman's limo frame @8secs post Z313, that tells me Johns is inside his car, so whatever he did doesn't strike me as important.  Besides, what else is he gonna say, that he didn't recognise the sounds as significant and just sat there wondering what was going on, like 99% of the people present that day seem to be doing?
These same 99% it turns out, all circumstantiously(!) tell us they heard shots but how many are seen reacting to them in the hard evidence? 
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What does any of this Lem Johns stuff have to do with whether or not Darnell filmed, in two separate clips, Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Holt and Sharon Simmons 1) stepping down from the Pergola Patio, and 2) walking either across the Grassy Knoll's grass, or up the Elm Street sidewalk, a few minutes after the assassination?

Did I miss something?

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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Poll...Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza?
« Last post by Bill Connors on June 13, 2019, 03:15:50 AM »


   I've been there 3 times now. And the 3 things that surprised me were the steep grade of the street where JFK was shot.  The lack of cover at the grassy knoll wooden fence, anyone would see you from behind for quite a ways....and that if you follow the zapruder film it seems like they do slow down to a crawl at the head shot, if you just film any car going by it shows the difference of not slowing down.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Last post by Jerry Organ on June 13, 2019, 02:51:05 AM »
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The size of the exit wound and the ruptured skull was definitely caused by the explosive exit wound.  However, there had to have been a significant piece of the missile to compress the brain matter that exploded out of the front part of the skull. Whether the skull ruptured because of the pressure alone before the bullet struck the skull from the inside or whether it occurred with the exit of that fragment through the skull is probably not possible to determine.

    "The fact that the fractures in a skull are due to temporary cavity formation
     was demonstrated by a series of experiments with skulls. When skulls were
     empty, the bullets 'drilled' neat entrances and exits without any fractures.
     When the skulls were filled with gelatin to simulate the brain, massive
     secondary skull fractures were produced."
          -- Vincent J.M. DiMaio ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login )

How about this? 
  • Bullet enters skull at rear, disintegrates by time it gets through the bone
  • Bullet hole at rear of skull, with a few fractures radiating downwards
  • Fragment from the bullet strikes the inside of the upper-right skull,
    causing a regular-sized exit wound hole; not the large gaping wound
  • Maybe the exiting bullet fragment disintegrated further, with two
    pieces causing the strikes on the windshield and windshield frame
  • Or maybe a sizeable skull fragment did detach, along with the hinged
    Devil's Ear opening out; this would allow the unimpeded passage of
    other bullet fragments
  • Exit wound fragment (or following fragment) continues onward to
    impact windshield
  • Fractures extend from the exit opening ("secondary" fractures)
  • Temporary cavity formation now occurs within the now-weakened cranium
  • Cavity forces large skull fragments to detach along existing skull fractures
    and/or new ones caused by the cavity, resulting in the large gaping wound
The only thing I go against in what DiMaio states is that the bullet caused fractures at the in-shoot and out-shoot, while DiMaio says there would have been "neat" holes without fractures.

The pressure impulse from the temporary cavity occurs in the wake of the bullet. Ballistic-wise, the brain is consider a liquid. I'm a layman when it comes to the medical evidence.
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Nice detective work James.  So, so far, Darnell is still the only newsman we know of that had some type of rolled up paper in his RH pocket.
And he is filming the westside before Cook does you think?  Since he's not focused on any particular part of it, I'll assume he's just heard something about the building in general, that it might be involved, perhaps the Euins/Harkness event or perhaps Jackson/Haygood.

And am I also right to assume that the footage of the cop, detective or whoever, climbing out one of those same windows(to gain access to a locked room, so the story goes) came about some good time later?
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Interesting since it's well known that most people simply don't want to get involved in things that might invade their privacy. I wonder if some person might have actually seen, for instance, Oswald walking or trotting down the street during the time leading up to the Tippit incident. Then, upon hearing about the murder, seeing and recognizing Oswald in the media as the man they saw on the street, might have decided that since the man had already been arrested, why get involved? Not everybody craves attention.

I've, fleetingly, thought about calling one or two of the involved people... but why exactly should I rely on the memory of people all these decades later?

Note: I'm not criticizing your exchanges with Hugh in any way, Charles. A writer is more likely to have taken notes, etc than the average citizen.

Bill, youíre exactly right. And something youíve probably thought of but didnít mention that applies particularly in this case is fear. (There has been a lot of speculation about conspiracy and mysterious deaths surrounding the assassination.) Many witnesses were never contacted. And some were deeply traumatized by the events.

I wouldnít even try to contact anyone who has indicated a preference for privacy. The same for anyone who I think was traumatized.

Edit: Howard Brennan is a hero for his decision to get involved. His description of Oswald was crucial. And there is a reasonable chance that he could have recognized Oswald as he walked out of the TSBD and pointed him out if he hadnít been distracted by unwanted reporters.
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    SA Lem Johns filed his "Original Report" on 11/29/63. I'm paraphrasing, but in John's "Original Report" he flat-out Details getting Out of the car and Running toward the Vice President's car and then hearing the 3rd shot fired. The SA Lem Johns "Original Report" would be the Evidence of what He/Lem Johns allegedly did physically upon hearing shots being fired. SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men". Johns goes on to add that he arrived at Parkland Hospital at "approx 12:45 - 12:50 pm". So per SA Johns he got completely out of the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car & then ran up the middle of Elm St. Yet, there is Not a single assassination image of Johns doing Any of this, or Any Dealey Plaza Eyewitness that Ever reported seeing it.   

DP-TM= 5mins
@TM for 5mins
TM-PH= 5mins
NP.

Also, "SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men"...
Grabbing a police car and inviting Wiegman and Atkins to join him actually fits the bill if you allow yourself to read it that way and Wiegman footage on the way to Parkland shows he was in a covered vehicle, not a convertible.

Circumstantial evidence, that's all recollections are.
There is no doubt that Johns was technically in a good position to hear something coming from the building, near it, or even the GK, like the occupants of the FUC were seconds before but just like Hill, his vehicle was travelling too fast for him to jump out and run forward, he would have had to have waited for it to slow like Hill did and since he was further back in the chain(reaction) I highly doubt he reacted before the "third shot".  Then we have Wiegman's limo frame @8secs post Z313, that tells me Johns is inside his car, so whatever he did doesn't strike me as important.  Besides, what else is he gonna say, that he didn't recognise the sounds as significant and just sat there wondering what was going on, like 99% of the people present that day seem to be doing?
These same 99% it turns out, all circumstantiously(!) tell us they heard shots but how many are seen reacting to them in the hard evidence? 
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I do not have the book by Ernst, "The Girl on the Stairs". When I find text of a quote from Ernst describing his 1968 interview
with Joe Cody's bus driver uncle, I will post it.

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The Garrison Commission

William W. Turner
Ramparts
January 1968

....And there are other "coincidences" as well. In his address book, Oswald twice
jotted down the number of a Ft. Worth television station, PE 8-1951; in June 1963, Ruby
twice called that number (CE 1322 p. 517 WC XXII). On September 24, 1963, David
Feme's telephone was charged with a call to Chicago number WH 4-4970; on November
20, 1963, this number was called from Kansas City by Lawrence Meyers, a Chicago
businessman and close friend of Ruby's. Meyers arrived in Dallas from Kansas City that
same night, and was in touch with Ruby through traumatic post-assassination hours
(WC XXV p. 335)-

The Dallas number FR 5-5591 appears twice in the last pages of Oswald's book,
which leads to another correlation. The number is listed to Kenneth Cody, a Continental
Trailways bus drive on the Shreveport run and an uncle of Dallas police officer Joe
Cody. A homicide detective, Cody was the partner of Detective James R. Leavelle, one of
the pair of officers escorting Oswald through the police basement when he was shot by
Ruby.

In an FBI interview, Joseph Cody acknowledged having known Ruby "12 or 13
years." He met Ruby at one of his clubs during the Korean War, when Cody was
"assigned in the Counter Intelligence Corps" and stationed for a time in Dallas. Cody
related that he enjoyed ice skating at Fair Park, as did Ruby, and "there had been at least
a half dozen times in the last two or three years that RUBY had arrived at Fair Park
while he, CODY, had been skating" (CE 1736 WC XXIII).

Garrison contends that Ruby's stagey behavior between the assassination and his
slaying of Oswald was a way of disassociating himself from the plot by "reversing the
magnetic field" - drawing attention to himself as the opposite of what he actually was.
Andrew Armstrong, a Carousel employee, told the Commission that his boss was crying
on the afternoon of the 22 nd . In the early morning hours of Saturday, Ruby rousted a
club flunkey, Larry Crafard, who watched while his boss took a Polaroid picture of a
Birch Society "Impeach Earl Warren" billboard. That afternoon, Ruby displayed the
picture in Sol's Turf Club, his favorite haunt, with suitable expressions of indignation.
He went to the post office with companions, peered at the box receiving responses to the
black-bordered "Wanted for Treason" ad in Friday's Dallas Morning News, and uttered
words of outrage.

Ruby's survival as a "little big shot" in Aryan Dallas depended upon his
obsequiousness to powerful masters. Some of those whose boots he licked were Nazis,
and subliminally he became one of them. As Garrison put it, "The connecting link at
every level of operation, from the oil-rich sponsors of the assassination down to the
Dallas police department, down through Jack Ruby and including anti-Castro
adventurers, at the operating level were Minutemen, Nazi oriented. It was essentially a
Nazi operation." ..


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Sure it is, but the trigger guard wasn't being discussed making your post a complete waste of time

Not on my watch.

Chapman is pretty sure that the truth of the matter as a whole usurps barrister-wanna-be courtroom tactics, where pruning related matters seems a transparent attempt to try the case one tree at a time.
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