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The were other people inside the foyer and not one witness to a policeman sticking a gun into LHO's stomach. Not one. Lovelady makes no reference to an encounter despite observing the office enter the building. The encounter took place on the second floor lunchroom just as stated and where there was only LHO, Baker and Truly. LHO admits to the encounter. Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.


Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.

It's true that nobody reported seeing Lee on the first floor at the pertinent time....BUT...  Lee DID report seeing a couple of fellow employees on the first floor at the pertinent time.....  He could not have known that Jarman and Norman walked by the Domino room if he hadn't been there to witness them enter the shipping room at the back door .
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According to Holmes Oswald said:

"I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door..."

That would indicate that Lee and Baker met INSIDE the TSBD....However, I  believe Lee and Baker met only in the second floor lunchroom..... Holmes didn't know what he was talking about.... He'd heard about Baker encountering Lee In the TSBD and mis construed the information.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on January 24, 2021, 03:46:23 AM »
Because of the copious amounts examples I've given, leading up to the post you are responding to, highlighting a multitude of reactions/movements indicating JBC is shot at this point. The radical nature of this turn, within less than a second of sitting upright, is just another supporting piece of evidence that JBC is reacting to being shot.
Oh, I see. Hearing a rifle shot and being consumed with worry that his guest behind him, the President, was being assassinated would not result in such a flurry of movement. Ok. So where do you see JBC turning around to see JFK after the first shot that he was sure did not hit him?

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You would like to take this single example out of context and treat it as if it's an isolated incident but it's not.
How is 'trying to interpret what is happening the zfilm by examining what witnesses recalled happening' taking things out of context?

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Connally's various interviews, reports and testimonies concerning the assassination are full of contradictions and his account changes over time. More importantly, a lot of his statements are refuted by the Z-film. Take his WC testimony for example, he states he heard what he thought was a shot, turned to his right and as he was turning to his left was shot. Immediately when he was shot he 'said' "Oh, no, no, no" (Jackie Kennedy describes him yelling or screaming. In one interview she says he "screamed like a stuck pig).
In the Z-film he turns briefly to his left (z160's) then back to his right (at no point does he attempt to look over his right shoulder as he states in his testimony).
You can't see from z240 to z270 JBC straining to see JFK over his right shoulder?

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As we've seen in my previous posts, he stays in this position as he passes behind the Stemmons sign and is still in the same position - looking to his right - as he emerges from behind the sign.
At no point does he attempt to turn to his left as he states in his WC testimony. He is shot and then appears to cry out "Oh, no, no, no":
He expressed uncertainty about when he said oh no, no, no. Nellie consistently said he uttered it before he was hit on the second

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It is interesting to note that JBC states:

"I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again
It looks to me that he could be referring to what is seen after z271.

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Immediately after this JBC states:

"I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

This is what we see in the Z-film
So why did he think he was not hit in the back on the first shot?
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The were other people inside the foyer and not one witness to a policeman sticking a gun into LHO's stomach. Not one. Lovelady makes no reference to an encounter despite observing the office enter the building. The encounter took place on the second floor lunchroom just as stated and where there was only LHO, Baker and Truly. LHO admits to the encounter. Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.

The were other people inside the foyer and not one witness to a policeman sticking a gun into LHO's stomach.

Who were the other people in the foyer?

Lovelady makes no reference to an encounter despite observing the office enter the building.

Lovelady did not enter the building.

The encounter took place on the second floor lunchroom just as stated

Who stated that? Baker, in his initial affidavit, said the encounter took place on the 3rd or 4th floor

LHO admits to the encounter.

According to the reports...

Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.

So, how do you know he exited the building through the front door?
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And it has a simple answer: Mr Lovelady was on the steps, and the encounter took place at the front door

The were other people inside the foyer and not one witness to a policeman sticking a gun into LHO's stomach. Not one. Lovelady makes no reference to an encounter despite observing the office enter the building. The encounter took place on the second floor lunchroom just as stated and where there was only LHO, Baker and Truly. LHO admits to the encounter. Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.
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Richard Smith continues to post disinformation.
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the encounter took place at the front door

Didn't Baker say that as he "entered the building".?...Words that indicated that he was already INSIDE the building.

According to Holmes Oswald said:

"I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door..."
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And it has a simple answer: Mr Lovelady was on the steps, and the encounter took place at the front door

the encounter took place at the front door

Didn't Baker say that as he "entered the building".?...Words that indicated that he was already INSIDE the building.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on January 24, 2021, 01:40:02 AM »
I agree that it is a sudden turn of the shoulders and torso from forward facing to about 75 degrees right together with a turn of the head about the same relative to the shoulders, so the head is turned about 150 degrees to the right. That would appear to be an intentional turn.

How can you tell that it is NOT the intentional turn that JBC said he made after the first shot and before he felt the bullet strike his back?

Because of the copious amounts examples I've given, leading up to the post you are responding to, highlighting a multitude of reactions/movements indicating JBC is shot at this point. The radical nature of this turn, within less than a second of sitting upright, is just another supporting piece of evidence that JBC is reacting to being shot.

You would like to take this single example out of context and treat it as if it's an isolated incident but it's not.

Connally's various interviews, reports and testimonies concerning the assassination are full of contradictions and his account changes over time. More importantly, a lot of his statements are refuted by the Z-film. Take his WC testimony for example, he states he heard what he thought was a shot, turned to his right and as he was turning to his left was shot. Immediately when he was shot he 'said' "Oh, no, no, no" (Jackie Kennedy describes him yelling or screaming. In one interview she says he "screamed like a stuck pig).
In the Z-film he turns briefly to his left (z160's) then back to his right (at no point does he attempt to look over his right shoulder as he states in his testimony). As we've seen in my previous posts, he stays in this position as he passes behind the Stemmons sign and is still in the same position - looking to his right - as he emerges from behind the sign.
At no point does he attempt to turn to his left as he states in his WC testimony. He is shot and then appears to cry out "Oh, no, no, no":





It is interesting to note that JBC states:

"I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

This is the right turn we see after JBC has been shot. The phrase "doubled up" describes the posture we see in z240:



Immediately after this JBC states:

"I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

This is what we see in the Z-film





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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Last post by Zeon Mason on January 24, 2021, 01:03:37 AM »
Here is my suspicion: Oswald took the entire bag (with Tag label containing Mrs Paines address ) containing rods and some blinds from Mrs Paines garage.

 Entering the door of the roofed enclosed dock bldg about 20 seconds ahead of BW Frazier, Oswald hid the  bag in some container before entering TSBD back door at which point, Jack Dougherty saw nothing in Oswalds hands

Oswald of course forgot about his bag of rods and blinds in his anxious departure from TSBD at the post assassination time.

The Bag was discovered by some TSBD employee weeks or month later, , and if there  was an address of  Paine residence on it, The bag may have been submitted as “lost item” at 1st until  someone higher up in the CYA DPD immediately understood the significance of this bag and took charge of the item to “return it” to the owner.

I can’t remember if Mrs Paine was on vacation   but if so, that would be probably when the bag would likely have been returned without her knowledge.

In effect, someone dedicated to the WC narrative of Oswald bag containing MC  rifle, decided it was imperative  to get this bag of rods and blinds back into the Paines garage ASAP and pray that Mrs Paine was unaware the bag had ever been removed

Then they would CYA again  with a fake”inspection” of Mrs Paines garage on the date she returns from vacation, in order to create false “proof” that no bag,rods or other items were missing from Mrs Paines garage, this securing the WC paper bag made with TSBD paper by Oswald to carry his rifle into TSBD on Nov 22/63



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