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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Tom Scully on March 28, 2020, 08:16:48 AM »
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Trump greater than Lincoln? Republicans polled said yes in a party Lincoln wouldn’t recognize.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/12/03/republicans-prefer-trump-lincoln-poll-shows-todays-gop-couldnt-be-more-different/
Dec 5, 2019 - The first Republican president stressed humility, talked openly about his flaws and used language not to punish and humiliate but to inspire.

EXCERPTED FROM NY TIMES - bottom quote box in this post....: Back on February 27, as Criminal Forensic psychiatrist, Bandy X Lee describes Trump's "communicating" he answered from the unconcious, not yet realizing his cumulative damage to DHS and NSC would result in the greatest health emergency and economic losses in the history of the U.S."

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..... Getting the Trump Team’s Attention

......John F. Kelly and Rex W. Tillerson were part of a high-level pandemic exercise, but both men left the administration before the Covid-19 outbreak.Credit...Al Drago for The New York Times
After Mr. Trump’s election, Ms. Monaco arranged an extensive exercise for high-level incoming officials — including Rex W. Tillerson, the nominee for secretary of state; John F. Kelly, designated to become homeland security secretary; and Rick Perry, who would become energy secretary — gaming out the response to a deadly flu outbreak.

She asked Tom Bossert, who was preparing to come in as Mr. Trump’s homeland security adviser, to run the event alongside her.

“We modeled a new strain of flu in the exercise precisely because it’s so communicable,” Ms. Monaco said. “There is no vaccine, and you would get issues like nursing homes being particularly vulnerable, shortages of ventilators.”

Ms. Monaco was impressed by how seriously Mr. Bossert, her successor, appeared to take the threat, as did many of the 30 or so Trump team members who participated in the exercise, details of which were reported by Politico.


But by the time the current crisis hit, almost all of the leaders at the table — Mr. Tillerson, Mr. Kelly and Mr. Perry among them — had been fired or moved on.

In 2018, Mr. Trump’s national security adviser at the time, John R. Bolton, ousted Mr. Bossert and eliminated the National Security Council directorate, folding it into an office dedicated to weapons of mass destruction in what Trump officials called a logical consolidation.

Asked about that shift on March 13, Mr. Trump told a reporter that it was “a nasty question,” before adding: “I don’t know anything about it.” Writing on Twitter the next day, Mr. Bolton lashed out at critics who said the shift had reflected disregard for pandemic threats.

“Claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation’s bio defense are false,” Mr. Bolton tweeted. “Global health remained a top NSC priority.”

In a statement, the National Security Council said it “has directors and staff whose full-time job it is to monitor, plan for, and respond to pandemics, including an infectious disease epidemiologist and a virologist.”

But in testimony to Congress last week, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, suggested that ending the stand-alone directorate was ill-advised. “It would be nice if the office was still there,” he said.

On Feb. 10, nearly three weeks after the first coronavirus case was diagnosed in the United States, Mr. Trump submitted a 2021 budget proposal that called for a $693.3 million reduction in funding for the C.D.C., or about 9 percent, although there was a modest increase for the division that combats global pandemics.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference-3/
Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Conference
 HEALTHCARE
Issued on: March 13, 2020
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Q    Thank you, Mr. President.  Yamiche Alcindor from PBS NewsHour.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yes.

Q    My first question is: You said that you don’t take responsibility, but you did disband the White House pandemic office, and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly.  So what responsibility do you take to that?  And the officials that worked in that office said that you — that the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded.  What do you make of that?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, I just think it’s a nasty question because what we’ve done is — and Tony has said numerous times that we’ve saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing.  And when you say “me,” I didn’t do it.  We have a group of people I could —

Q    It’s your administration.

THE PRESIDENT:  I could ask perhaps — my administration — but I could perhaps ask Tony about that because I don’t know anything about it.  I mean, you say — you say we did that.  I don’t know anything about it.

Q    You don’t know about the —

THE PRESIDENT:  We’re spending — I don’t know.  It’s the —

Q    — about the reorganization that happened at the National Security Council?

THE PRESIDENT:  It’s the — it’s the administration.  Perhaps they do that.  You know, people let people go.  You used to be with a different newspaper than you are now.  You know, things like that happen.

Q    But this was a — this was an org- —

THE PRESIDENT:  Okay.  Please go ahead.

Q    This was an organization at the National Security Council.

THE PRESIDENT:  We’re doing a great job.  Let me tell you, these professionals behind me and the — these great, incredible doctors and business people — the best in the world.  And I can say that.  Whether it’s retailers or labs, or anything you want to say, these are the best of the world.  We’re doing a great job.

We have 40 people right now.  Forty.  Compare that with other countries that have many, many times that amount.  And one of the reasons we have 40 and others have — and, again, that number is going up, just so you understand.  And a number of cases, which are very small, relatively speaking — it’s going up.  But we’ve done a great job because we acted quickly.  We acted early.  And there’s nothing we could have done that was better than closing our borders to highly infected areas.
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He remembered the cuts last month, but today, (above) he claimed he was unfamiliar with the question. A sign of dementia, dishonesty, or both?

He claimed he'a business person, doesn't want to spend money unnecessarily on staff.... Even at the cost of weakening national security, really?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-golf-mar-a-lago-taxpayers_n_5e4712b9c5b64d860fcab86c
POLITICS 02/14/2020 07:15 pm ET Updated Feb 17, 2020
Trump’s 29th Trip To Mar-a-Lago Brings Golf Tab To 334 Years Of Presidential Salary
The president often brags about not taking a paycheck, but his golf hobby has now cost taxpayers $133.8 million.
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By S.V. Date

https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1241080932192452609


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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference/
Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Conference
 HEALTHCARE

  Issued on: February 27, 2020

....Q    Your budgets have consistently called for enormous cuts to the CDC, the NIH, and the WHO.  You’ve talked a lot today about how these professionals are excellent, have been critical and necessary.  Does this experience at all give you pause about those consistent cuts?

https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1241122757087309826


THE PRESIDENT:  No, because we — we can get money and we can increase staff.  We know all the people.  We know all the good people.  It’s a question I asked the doctors before.  Some of the people we cut, they haven’t been used for many, many years.  And if — if we have a need, we can get them very quickly.

And rather than spending the money — and I’m a business person — I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them.  When we need them, we can get them back very quickly.  For instance, we’re bringing some people in tomorrow that are already in this, you know, great government that we have, and very specifically for this.

We can build up very, very quickly.  And we’ve already done that.  I mean, we really have built up.  We have a great staff. And using Mike, I’m doing that because he’s in the administration and he’s very good at doing what he does, and doing as it relates to this....

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/
The Trump Presidency Is Over
It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the con man behind the curtain.

10:59 AM ET Peter Wehner
Contributing writer at The Atlantic and senior fellow at EPPC

Lock him up! (T'was the constant upheaval caused by Stephen Miller whispering in Trump's ear about Homeland Security not being sufficiently racist that "took the eye off the ball"!)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.

By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley
Published March 19, 2020
Updated March 22, 2020

WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.....
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......On the plus side, the Obama White House had created an Ebola Task Force, run by Ron Klain, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s former chief of staff, before a single case emerged in the United States. Congress allocated $5.4 billion in emergency funding to pay for Ebola treatment and prevention efforts in the United States and West Africa.

The money helped fund a little-known agency inside the Department of Health and Human Services in charge of preparing for future contagious disease outbreaks, the same office that in 2019 ran the Crimson Contagion exercise and other similar events in the years since.

After a man named Thomas Duncan, a Liberian citizen, became the first person given a diagnosis of Ebola on American territory in September 2014, errors resulted in the infection of two nurses and fear of a wider spread in the United States. (Mr. Duncan died, but the two nurses recovered.)

What is striking in reading Mr. Kirchhoff’s account today, however, is how few of the major faults he found in the American response resulted in action — even though the report was filled with department-by-department recommendations.

There were deficiencies “in personal protective equipment use, disinfection” and “social services for those placed under quarantine.”

There was confusion over travel restrictions, and the need “for a smoother sliding scale of escalation of government response, from local authorities acting on their own to local authorities acting with some federal assistance” to the full activation of the federal government.

The report concluded that “a minimum planning benchmark might be an epidemic an order of magnitude or two more difficult than that presented by the outbreak of Ebola in West Africa, with much more significant domestic spread.”

But one big change did come out of the study: The creation of a dedicated office at the National Security Council to coordinate responses and raise the alarm early.

“What I learned most is that we had to stand up a global biosecurity and health directorate, and get it enshrined for the next administration,” said Lisa Monaco, Mr. Obama’s homeland security adviser.

Getting the Trump Team’s Attention


......John F. Kelly and Rex W. Tillerson were part of a high-level pandemic exercise, but both men left the administration before the Covid-19 outbreak.Credit...Al Drago for The New York Times
After Mr. Trump’s election, Ms. Monaco arranged an extensive exercise for high-level incoming officials — including Rex W. Tillerson, the nominee for secretary of state; John F. Kelly, designated to become homeland security secretary; and Rick Perry, who would become energy secretary — gaming out the response to a deadly flu outbreak.

She asked Tom Bossert, who was preparing to come in as Mr. Trump’s homeland security adviser, to run the event alongside her.

“We modeled a new strain of flu in the exercise precisely because it’s so communicable,” Ms. Monaco said. “There is no vaccine, and you would get issues like nursing homes being particularly vulnerable, shortages of ventilators.”

Ms. Monaco was impressed by how seriously Mr. Bossert, her successor, appeared to take the threat, as did many of the 30 or so Trump team members who participated in the exercise, details of which were reported by Politico.


But by the time the current crisis hit, almost all of the leaders at the table — Mr. Tillerson, Mr. Kelly and Mr. Perry among them — had been fired or moved on.

In 2018, Mr. Trump’s national security adviser at the time, John R. Bolton, ousted Mr. Bossert and eliminated the National Security Council directorate, folding it into an office dedicated to weapons of mass destruction in what Trump officials called a logical consolidation.

Asked about that shift on March 13, Mr. Trump told a reporter that it was “a nasty question,” before adding: “I don’t know anything about it.” Writing on Twitter the next day, Mr. Bolton lashed out at critics who said the shift had reflected disregard for pandemic threats.

“Claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation’s bio defense are false,” Mr. Bolton tweeted. “Global health remained a top NSC priority.”

In a statement, the National Security Council said it “has directors and staff whose full-time job it is to monitor, plan for, and respond to pandemics, including an infectious disease epidemiologist and a virologist.”

But in testimony to Congress last week, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, suggested that ending the stand-alone directorate was ill-advised. “It would be nice if the office was still there,” he said.

On Feb. 10, nearly three weeks after the first coronavirus case was diagnosed in the United States, Mr. Trump submitted a 2021 budget proposal that called for a $693.3 million reduction in funding for the C.D.C., or about 9 percent, although there was a modest increase for the division that combats global pandemics.
‘Crimson Contagion’

The Crimson Contagion planning exercise run last year by the Department of Health and Human Services involved officials from 12 states and at least a dozen federal agencies. They included the Pentagon, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the National Security Council. Groups like the American Red Cross and American Nurses Association were invited to join, as were health insurance companies and major hospitals like the Mayo Clinic.

The war game-like exercise was overseen by Robert P. Kadlec, a former Air Force physician who has spent decades focused on biodefense issues. After stints on the Bush administration’s Homeland Security Council and the staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he was appointed assistant secretary of Health and Human Services for Preparedness and Response.

“He recognized early that we have a big problem and we needed much bigger budgets to prepare,” said Richard Danzig, the secretary of the Navy in the Clinton administration, who had worked with Mr. Kadlec.

The exercise played out in four separate stages, starting in January 2019.

The events were supposedly unspooling in real time — with the worst-case scenario underway as of Aug. 13, 2019 — when, according to the script, 12,100 cases had already been reported in the United States, with the largest number in Chicago, which had 1,400.

The fictional outbreak involved a pandemic flu, which the Department of Health and Human Services says was “very different than the novel coronavirus.” The staged outbreak had started when a group of 35 tourists visiting China were infected and then flew home to Australia, Kuwait, Malaysia, Thailand, Britain and Spain, as well as to the United States, with some developing respiratory symptoms and fevers en route.

A 52-year-old man from Chicago, who was on the tour, had “low energy and a dry cough” upon his return home. His 17-year-old son on that same day went out to a large public event in Chicago, and the chain of illnesses in the United States started.

Many of the moments during the tabletop exercise are now chillingly familiar.

In the fictional pandemic, as the virus spread quickly across the United States, the C.D.C. issued guidelines for social distancing, and many employees were told to work from home.

But federal and state officials struggled to identify which employees were essential and what equipment was needed to effectively work from home.

There also was confusion over how to handle school children. The C.D.C. recommended that states delay school openings — the exercise took place toward the end of the summer. But some school districts decided to go ahead with the start of school while others followed the federal advice, causing the same types of confusion and discrepancies that have marked the response to the coronavirus.

The exercise from last year then went on to predict how the situation on the ground in the United States would worsen as the weeks passed.

Confusion emerged as state governments began to turn in large numbers to Washington for help to address shortages of antiviral medications, personal protective equipment and ventilators. Then states started to submit requests to different branches of the federal government, leading to bureaucratic chaos.

Friction also emerged between the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which is traditionally in charge of disaster response, and the Department of Health and Human Services, another scenario playing out now.

But the problems were larger than bureaucratic snags. The United States, the organizers realized, did not have the means to quickly manufacture more essential medical equipment, supplies or medicines, including antiviral medications, needles, syringes, N95 respirators and ventilators, the agency concluded.

Congress was briefed in December on some of these findings, including the inability to quickly replenish certain medical supplies, given that much of the product comes from overseas.

These concerns turned more urgent at a hearing last Thursday on Capitol Hill, as lawmakers peppered officials with the Department of Health and Human Services with questions that sounded almost as if they had read the script from the fictional exercise, reflecting the shortage of respirators and protective gear.

Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah, said last week that he blamed Congress and prior administrations for not increasing stockpiles of this type of equipment.

“That is an area we ought to consider making an investment in,” he added, making a point, apparently unknown to him, that the administration’s own simulation had made clear five months earlier.


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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Colin Crow on March 28, 2020, 07:28:23 AM »


It is Trump who initially politicised the response to the Public health crisis by responding in a way that he felt best served his re-election. He continues to do so.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on March 28, 2020, 05:13:23 AM »
Trump Is Now Openly Trying to Censor His Critics. He May Succeed.

His campaign’s cease-and-desist letter to broadcast stations is a frightening assault on free speech.


By MARK JOSEPH STERN

Over the course of his presidency, Donald Trump has made thousands of false, offensive, and damaging claims that could hurt his reelection odds. Democrats plan to use these statements as campaign fodder through the November election. On Wednesday, the Trump campaign adopted a new tactic to neutralize these attacks: It threatened to sue critics of the president in a brazen effort to censor Trump’s opponents into silence. Any real legal action is unlikely to hold up against the First Amendment. But Trump doesn’t need to succeed in court in order to win.

This threat came in the form of a cease-and-desist letter sent to television broadcast stations across the country. The letter orders these networks to stop airing an ad created by Priorities USA, a Democratic super PAC. That ad, “Exponential Threat,” juxtaposes Trump’s many dismissive comments about the pandemic with a chart tracking the rising number of infections in the United States.* It ends with one line of text: “America needs a leader we can trust.”

As political ads go, this one is fairly run-of-the-mill. The ad begins with Trump saying “the coronavirus,” then cuts to him saying, “This is their new hoax.” According to the Trump campaign, that edit renders the ad “patently false, misleading, and deceptive.” Its letter provides the full context of Trump’s “hoax” remarks, made during a rally. Here’s the key section:

Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs, you say, “How’s President Trump doing?”, “Oh, nothing, nothing.” … One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since he got in. It’s all turning, they lost. It’s all turning, think of it, think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country and because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.

When Joe Biden released an ad implying that Trump called the coronavirus “a hoax,” the letter points out, fact-checkers accused him of deceiving the public. These fact-checkers accepted Trump’s later assertion that the “hoax” in question wasn’t the coronavirus but rather Democrats’ efforts to “pin this on somebody.” In context, the true meaning seems more ambiguous; like so many of Trump’s wildest declarations, it’s slippery enough that the president can claim innocence while his supporters can interpret it however they choose.

But it doesn’t really matter what Trump meant, because the Priorities USA ad is obviously core political speech, fully protected by the First Amendment. Trump’s campaign suggests that it may seek to punish networks that air the ad in two ways: suing for defamation and urging the Federal Communications Commission to revoke their license. Although both approaches are deeply troubling assaults on free expression, and may chill constitutionally protected expression, neither is likely to succeed.

Start with the FCC route. The agency licenses local stations to broadcast on public airwaves and can theoretically terminate these licenses—though in practice, it almost never does. FCC rules require stations to run ads made by “legally qualified” candidates for federal office, but not ads by super PACs, which are supposed to be independent. Stations are supposed to act with reasonable care to prevent false or misleading ads. But in reality, it relies on the Federal Trade Commission to penalize untruthful advertisers. And even then, the FTC typically goes after commercial advertisers, not political ones.

In the past, Trump has floated the idea of challenging the licenses of broadcast stations that air “fake news.” But the idea was, and remains, a nonstarter, because today’s FCC simply does not revoke licenses on the basis of a station’s political speech. Allowing federal bureaucrats to censor political expression—even when it is arguably “misleading”—raises grave constitutional concerns with which the agency would rather not grapple. The Trump campaign may file complaints against stations that air the Priorities USA ad, but these grievances will cause the stations a minor headache at most, and do not seriously jeopardize their licenses.

The possibility of a lawsuit is a more substantial menace. Trump’s campaign accuses stations of broadcasting “false information” and reserves its right “to pursue all legal remedies available.” That translates to a defamation suit. Stations will have to devote significant time, resources, and money to fight off any legal action, but they will probably prevail. The First Amendment was designed to safeguard political speech. It requires public officials to prove that their critics knowingly lied, or acted with reckless disregard for the truth, to win defamation suits. The Supreme Court has even granted constitutional protections to outright lies, holding that an “interest in truthful discourse alone” is not “sufficient to sustain a ban on speech.” Following SCOTUS’s lead, lower courts have invalidated state laws that penalize knowingly false statements made by political campaigns.

Put simply, politicians and their allies have a First Amendment right to stretch the truth when smearing their opponents, and this right also shields outlets that carry their smears. If the Trump campaign does sue broadcast stations for airing Priorities USA’s ad, it will, in all likelihood, lose. It would lose even if the ad peddled an outright falsehood rather than a tendentious recitation of the facts. But its suit would still compel stations to spend sums of money defending themselves in court.

And therein lies the true danger here: not that stations will actually lose in court, but that they grow so afraid of legal action that they self-censor. Trump is already trying to scare reporters out of covering him accurately; he has threatened to sue several news organizations, including CNN, and his campaign filed a frivolous libel suit against the New York Times. Media outlets are already on alert that Trump might draw them into expensive legal battles. In light of Wednesday’s letter, TV stations are also now aware of that risk. They may refuse to run ads that contain factually debatable criticisms of the president for fear of a costly lawsuit. Meanwhile, they will all continue to give airtime to the president’s incessant lies, because they are newsworthy. Trump can use the power of the pulpit to tilt the playing field in his favor. He could successfully monopolize the marketplace of ideas in the midst of his reelection campaign.

The Trump campaign’s cease-and-desist letter closes on a note of unintentional comedy, declaring that “we will not stand idly by and allow you to broadcast false, deceptive, and misleading information concerning President’s Trump’s healthcare positions without consequence.” In fact, no one lies about Trump’s “healthcare positions” more than Trump himself: The president routinely pretends to support protections for preexisting conditions that his administration is currently fighting to overturn. If TV stations could not broadcast false claims, they would never air a single Trump speech. For better or worse, Trump has a right to manipulate the truth to his political advantage. What he cannot do is gag his opponents when they try to punch back in kind.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/trump-political-ad-cease-and-desist-letter.html
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on March 28, 2020, 05:06:02 AM »
We have a Lot of people simply making Noise vs actually doing something to Help those in need. There is plenty of time After this is over for the noise making. NOW is the time to lend Help.

"I love Michigan, one of the reasons we are doing such a GREAT job for them during this horrible Pandemic. Yet your Governor, Gretchen ‘Half’ Whitmer is way in over her ahead, she doesn’t have a clue. Likes blaming everyone for her own ineptitude."- Donald Trump

Royell should look at his messiah cult leader Benedict Donald as the chief noise maker who can only use projection in insulting tweets. Benedict Donald is the failure who is using projection against a Democratic Governor for his own failures. This isn't helping Royell and Benedict Donald said he isn't going to help Washington State or Michigan because is isn't "appreciated". This is the psycho Royell and Peter worships.   

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-attacks-dem-governor-as-being-way-in-over-her-head-on-coronavirus-response/
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Tom Scully on March 28, 2020, 03:22:31 AM »
Tom this is a world crisis. Given America’s position in the world your leaders' actions (and inactions) will affect everyone for a long period. We are all human and the vast majority will survive this. What happens soon will determine how many who won’t. The impact on global health will be determined by us all, the largest impact will lie with those who have the privilege of leading.

Craziness is abetting or defending this. After Poland and reaching the outskirts of Moscow, "you know who" probably polled at 75 percent approval in early September, 1941, but that approval and support was still insane abetting insane.... No democrats were invited to "Dear Leader's" signing ceremony of a $2.2 trillion bail-out legislative "package" on Friday, despite the unanimous passage of the bill, in the Senate.

https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1242419401258868738
AND https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1242418958659133440 AND https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1242418645084655618


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Veteran political strategist, a Joe Biden confidant, had COVID-19 when he died, family says
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/27/coronavirus-joe-biden-confidant-larry-rasky-had-virus-when-he-died/2927815001/

7 hours ago - BOSTON – Larry Rasky, a prominent public relations executive and longtime Democratic consultant from Boston, who was a political confidant ...

January, 2017:
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797
Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’
In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.

Mar 16, 2020 - In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, ... pandemic it faces now, former Obama administration officials said.

February, 2017:

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/02/19/bill-gates-warns-of-epidemic-that-will-kill-over-30-million-people/#5a455d85282f
Feb 19, 2017,12:40am EST
Bill Gates Warns Of Epidemic That Could Kill Over 30 Million People

Bruce Y. LeeSenior Contributor
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Paul May on March 28, 2020, 03:21:15 AM »
Which party do you identify with @Paul? if you don't mind me asking. Is this just another Democrat party advertisement? It looks similar to the several posts, of late, we've seen here from Tom Scully dressed up as JFK research just to attack Trump. Tom's posts are always good, not complaining. But the agenda is obvious. Or maybe you're simply an R' 'NEVER TRUMPER'.

USA is in civil war. It seems to me to be, anyway. So I understand the anxiety American's are displaying. It's kinda funny, though, seeing American's attach blame, being so precise, having the answer to the current state of politics there. It's either 'Trump' or 'Hillary' or their supporters ... or Obama personally... or Brennan ... Comey ... Clapper ... CIA ... FBI ... Alex Jones ... Russiagate ... Ukrainians ... Bidens. It's just another election cycle -- more wacky accusations, more lies, more cover ups, more media lies, and now more accusations of whose supporter's conspiracy theories are wackiest? Which side of the political divide produces the most cranks? Be honest, there is a mesmerizing level of conspiracy theories swirling around on both sides. You are living in a clown show simulation. USA is at an all time low. A joke. And the same level of head[F]ckery going on there, could be argued is seen in the UK, at the moment. I think you are in denial if you actually think what's happened, of late, is simply all Trump's fault. The same blame game is leveled at Brexit.

I don't believe there is an exclusivity to any political side producing really out there crazies. I think every body, equally, is being screwed over, and played by an elite group of individuals with all the tools to make sure nothing ever comes to light of what really happens. The more I see the more I am convinced nothing is even real. Almost all of our political realities are fed to us by a completely insane group of people in the media that do not think twice about fabricating the truth to suit themselves, or their pay masters.

I have the solution to all this - Term limits.

Get rid of all these crazy politicians and start anew. The level of toxicity in politics is because the same faces, the same tactics, the same corruption, it ain't ever going away. Not unless the public are prevented from aiding this circular toxic cycle. Nothing will change It's hilarious when you think about it. Trying to level conspiracy theories as being consumed only by crazies, right now. There are some pretty legit serious questions needing answers re the integrity of our politicians and government agencies.

For instance, I seriously doubt it was ONLY Trump supporters wondering what the hell was going on with Jeffery Epstein. Pretty sure that one has crossed all political persuasions, races, sexes, status'.

Been independent for years.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Colin Crow on March 28, 2020, 02:51:01 AM »
Tom this is a world crisis. Given America’s position in the world your leaders' actions (and inactions) will affect everyone for a long period. We are all human and the vast majority will survive this. What happens soon will determine how many who won’t. The impact on global health will be determined by us all, the largest impact will lie with those who have the privilege of leading.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Tom Scully on March 28, 2020, 02:37:40 AM »
I do not believe you have the intellectual capacity to appreciate what I wrote. The best thing you and Pete can do for yourselves and everyone around you is to stay home and minimise contact with others. Capisce?

Colin, this is unraveling frightfully fast. I understand your nation has had its own share of crisis and economic and fiscal challenges of late, but we are in the grip of a plague intentionally inflated to catastrophic proportions by what is obvious to non-cultists.... a sociopathic head case!

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/world/australia/australia-coronavirus-economy.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Australia Says Goodbye to the World’s Longest Boom
After nearly 30 years of economic growth, the country is struggling to process surging unemployment and declining exuberance.
11h ago

https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1243674703006490625
AND https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1243674300147695616 AND https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1243674063295467522


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https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/after-trump-attacks-whitmer-she-says-fed-supplies-delayed
After Trump Attacks Whitmer, She Says Vendors Aren't Sending Desperately Needed Coronavirus Supplies
"They're being told not to send stuff to Michigan."

WWJ NEWS
MARCH 27, 2020 - 7:52 AM
(WWJ) After President Donald Trump issued scathing comments about Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, saying she's "not stepping up," and "doesn't know what's going on," she told WWJ 950 the state is having trouble getting the equipment they need to fight the novel coronavirus.

"What I've gotten back is that vendors with whom we've procured contracts -- They're being told not to send stuff to Michigan," Whitmer said live on air. "It's really concerning, I reached out to the White House last night and asked for a phone call with the president, ironically at the time this stuff was going on."

The other stuff was Trump speaking with Sean Hannity on FOX News about Whitmer, a Democrat who has said very pointed things about the federal government's lack of coordinated response to the coronavirus crisis. Trump said of Whitmer, "She is a new governor, and it's not been pleasant ... "We've had a big problem with the young — a woman governor. You know who I'm talking about — from Michigan. We don't like to see the complaints."

Michigan's request for disaster assistance has not yet been approved by the White House, and Trump told Hannity he's still weighing it.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/us/politics/deborah-birx-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
And https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-factcheck.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage


https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21197074/deborah-birx-praised-trump-scientific-literature-coronavirus
Deborah Birx praised Trump as attentive to scientific literature and details. Nope.
The White House coronavirus task force coordinator’s latest TV interview raises questions about her credibility.

By Aaron Rupar@atrupar  Mar 27, 2020, 4:55pm EDT

Dr. Deborah Birx, a respected physician and experienced diplomat who seemingly serves as a voice of reason in her role as coordinator of the White House’s coronavirus task force, raised a lot of eyebrows on Thursday with her effusive praise of President Donald Trump as “attentive to the scientific literature and the details” during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network.

“He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data,” Birx said. “I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.”

Despite what Birx would have you believe, Trump has been pushing misleading and contradictory medical advice. On February 26, for instance, he claimed coronavirus cases would “be down to close to zero.” His claim was hard to swallow then, and barely a month later the US has more than 85,000 cases.

It’s true Trump is sensitive to certain kinds of data — but those kinds generally include his own poll numbers and the stock market, not indicators of public health. Relatedly, Trump is currently pushing to reopen businesses currently shuttered by Easter — a timetable much faster than what public health experts recommend. So not only is Trump not “attentive to the scientific literature,” but, as I’ve detailed, a number of comments he’s made this week have illustrated that he doesn’t get the basics about how public health crises work.

But instead of acknowledging that reality — or at the very least dodging questions about it — Birx decided to go all in on praise.

So what gives?

"[Trump is] so attentive to the scientific literature & the details & the data. I think his ability to analyze & integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit” -- this is shocking, hackish stuff from Dr. Birx. pic.twitter.com/c2phsRYaJs
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But it has become clear that Birx wants to stay in Trump’s good graces. She praised Trump early on for implementing travel restrictions on China that did nothing to stop the spread of the coronavirus that was already happening within America’s borders in a largely undetected manner because of lack of testing.

During a March 13 news conference, she described the president’s lagging coronavirus response in nearly heroic terms, then lent her credibility to promote a coronavirus testing website that turned out to not really exist....

...Last week, for instance, Birx tried to explain away the US government’s ill-fated decision to try and develop its own coronavirus test by falsely suggesting that a test developed by the World Health Organization has major accuracy problems. (It doesn’t.) This week, she bragged about the US passing South Korea in total number of coronavirus tests conducted, ignoring that South Korea has a much smaller population and had much more testing capacity during the critical weeks when the virus was first spreading......

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?470753-1/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-briefing
MARCH 27, 2020
White House Coronavirus Task Force Briefing
The White House coronavirus task force held a briefing with President Trump, Vice President Pence and other members of the task force. The President said that he… read more
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YOU SPOKE WITH SEAN HANNITY AND SAID YOU DID NOT THINK THERE WAS A NEED FOR THE 30,000 OR 40,000 VENTILATORS.

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I THINK THERE IS A GREAT CHANCE THAT WE WON'T NEED THAT MANY BUT OTHER PEOPLE WELL. THERE ARE COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT OUR FRIENDS OF OURS AND WE WILL HELP. WE ARE IN POSITION TO HELP OTHER COUNTRIES. WE CAN MAKE THEM BECAUSE WE WILL BE MAKING OVER 100,000 PRETTY QUICKLY. IF WE DON'T NEED THEM, THAT IS OK BECAUSE WE CAN HELP ITALY AND U.K. SPECIFICALLY, WHEN I ASKED HIM HOW HE WAS FEELING, THE FIRST THING HE SAID TO ME WAS "WE NEED VENTILATORS." WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THEM. Show Less Text
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GOVERNOR CUOMO SAID 30,000 OR 40,000 VENTILATORS WAS WHAT WAS NEEDED. WHAT ARE YOU BASING YOUR ASSESSMENT ON TO SAY THAT HE DOES NOT NEED THEM?

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I THINK THERE ESTIMATES ARE HIGH. -- I THINK THEIR ESTIMATES ARE HIGH. IF WE DO NOT NEED THEM, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AND WE CAN HELP A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. I THINK HIS ESTIMATES WILL BE VERY HIGH. DON'T FORGET, WE SENT THOUSANDS TO NEW YORK AND THEY DID NOT KNOW THEY GOT THEM. THERE IS A NEW YORK WAREHOUSE IN EDISON, NEW JERSEY WHICH IS INTERESTING. WE SENT THEM TO EDISON, TO THE WAREHOUSE AND THEY WERE READY TO GO. NEW YORK NEVER TOOK THEM. WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE LINED UP. AND I'M NOT BLAMING NEW YORK. LOOK, THIS IS SOMETHING OF A MAGNITUDE THAT NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT -- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE A HELL OF A JOB. WE SENT THOUSANDS OF VENTILATORS TO NEW YORK THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT WHILE THEY WERE COMPLAINING. THEY WERE GOING THERE IN LARGE NUMBERS. WE WANT TO HAVE SO MANY THAT WE DO HAVE MORE THAN WE NEED SO WE CAN SEND THEM TO OTHER GREAT COUNTRIES WHO HAVE BEEN GREAT FRIENDS OF OURS. Show Less Text
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YOU SAY THE GOVERNORS ARE NOT APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE. WHAT MORE --

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I THINK THE GOVERNOR IN WASHINGTON IS A FAILED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS CONSTANTLY TRIPPING AND COMPLAINING. WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE STATE OF WASHINGTON. IN MICHIGAN, SHE HAS NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON AND ALL SHE SAYS IS IT IS THE FAULT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE TAKEN SUCH GREAT CARE OF MICHIGAN. YOU KNOW THE GREAT CARE WE HAVE TAKEN OF NEW JERSEY. IF YOU ASKED THE GOVERNOR, HOW WELL WE HAVE DONE I THINK THEY WOULD SAY GREAT. I SAW THE NEWS CONFERENCE WHERE GOVERNOR CUOMO WAS BANKING THE PEOPLE FROM FEMA AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS -- THEY BUILD A HOSPITAL IN LIKE THREE DAYS. AND THEY'RE BUILDING MEDICAL FACILITIES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF NEW YORK AND GOVERNOR CUOMO HAS BEEN APPRECIATIVE. A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT.
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WHAT MORE SPECIFICALLY DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNOR OF WASHINGTON TO --

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I WANT THEM TO BE APPRECIATIVE. I DON'T WANT THEM TO SAY THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE. I WANT THEM TO BE APPRECIATIVE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ME. I'M TALKING...

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WHEN THEY ARE NOT APPRECIATIVE TO ME, THEY ARE NOT APPRECIATIVE TO THE ARMY CORPS OR TO FEMA AND IT IS NOT RIGHT. THESE PEOPLE ARE WORKING 24 HOURS A DAY. MIKE PENCE -- I DON'T THINK HE SLEEPS ANYMORE. HE CALLS ALL THE GOVERNORS. I SAY MIKE, DON'T CALL THE GOVERNOR OF WASHINGTON. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. DON'T CALL THE WOMAN IN MICHIGAN. Show Less Text
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THE GOVERNOR OF WASHINGTON?

HE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PERSON, HE CALLS QUIETLY ANYWAY....

Trump intends to use $500 billion added to the national debt and intended for economic relief of an pandemic national emergency he is greatly responsible for becoming an emergency,
as a slush fund to be used to leverage his critics and his re-election prospects,


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White House has agreed to oversight of $500 billion bailout fund
3 days ago - Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who has been negotiating the deal with Senate leadership, has agreed to an inspector general and congressional oversight for $500 billion fund proposed for distressed companies, a senior White House official tells CNN....

news.google.com
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Colin Crow on March 28, 2020, 02:27:39 AM »


"Trump is emulating ‘Baghdad Bob’ as the nation plunges into chaos: Conservative columnist"

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-is-emulating-baghdad-bob-as-the-nation-plunges-into-chaos-conservative-columnist/

This from 3 weeks ago!!!
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Colin Crow on March 28, 2020, 02:20:48 AM »
Seriously. F*ck that guy.



Insanity rhymes with Hannity
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