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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Gus Rose
« Last post by Charles Collins on October 14, 2019, 11:24:08 PM »
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In the Priscilla McMillan book, Marina's reaction is described as being a combination of shock over the missing rifle but also a realization that Oswald's odd behavior the day before had a reason.

From the McMillan account: "The blanket looked exactly as it always had, as if there were something bulky inside. As always, it was carefully tied in string. Marina shook all over, trying not to show her fright, as an officer stooped down to pick it up. It hung, limp, on either side of his arm.

Ruth looked at Marina. She had gone ashen.

"So it was Lee," Marina thought. "That is why he came last night." For Marina it was again one of those moments when kaleidoscopic and inexplicable occurrences suddenly clicked into place. She knew now why Lee had told her to buy "everything" she and the children needed, why he had left without kissing her good-bye."

Thanks Steve
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Gus Rose
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on October 14, 2019, 11:23:11 PM »
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In the Priscilla McMillan book, Marina's reaction is described as being a combination of shock over the missing rifle but also a realization that Oswald's odd behavior the day before had a reason.

From the McMillan account: "The blanket looked exactly as it always had, as if there were something bulky inside. As always, it was carefully tied in string. Marina shook all over, trying not to show her fright, as an officer stooped down to pick it up. It hung, limp, on either side of his arm.

Ruth looked at Marina. She had gone ashen.

"So it was Lee," Marina thought. "That is why he came last night." For Marina it was again one of those moments when kaleidoscopic and inexplicable occurrences suddenly clicked into place. She knew now why Lee had told her to buy "everything" she and the children needed, why he had left without kissing her good-bye."

Ain't it amazing what LNs consider to be "evidence"
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Gus Rose
« Last post by Charles Collins on October 14, 2019, 11:20:47 PM »
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Can Charles (or anyone) provide an approximate time that the gasp occurred?

Page 128 of “Reclaiming History” says that the time of arrival at the Paine’s residence was 3:30 pm. I haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe that it took very long at all for them to get around to this.
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Amazing. So one excuse is that some guy who died but will be back did blah blah blah.

Only the photo isn't Pollard or whatever that is. It's the Moorman photo. And it doesn't matter which photo you use or from where you obtain it, they all show the same thing.  Because that's what Mary Moorman caught. Furthermore, the same 2 men can be seen other photos & video taken by other people.  So none of the intentional attempts to avoid the facts make sense.

The other lame excuse is an attempt to use some psychiatrist ink blot. LOL  WTF?  Seriously... just wtf?

That type of ignorance is outstanding.  Thumb1:

Unbelievable. The attempts to ignore what the Moorman photo shows are so extreme & pathetic, one has to wonder just what the mental issues are.

My advice. Get eyes checked. Then maybe go see psychiatrist that provided ink blot.  In the mean time, I've progressed in identifying who the 2 men may be.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: A Better Sequence (TM DVP)
« Last post by Alan Ford on October 14, 2019, 11:08:43 PM »
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To me the evidence shows the lunch was originally positioned in the SN. The position and timing fits with Rowland's WC testimony.

What still doesn't fit IMHO, Mr Crow, is Mr Rowland's description of the man in the SN window as an 'elderly Negro' wearing a plaid shirt. Doesn't sound like Mr Williams.

Also, Mr Williams' description of the chicken on the bone sandwich is plain... weird. It's like he's not quite sure what he's supposed to be describing!
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Those Front Steps
« Last post by Alan Ford on October 14, 2019, 11:04:14 PM »
Kindly note!

'Prayer Man' in the Wiegman Film appears to be one step lower than 'Prayer Man' in the Darnell Film.........



I'm no longer sure we can assume they are one and the same person!

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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Gus Rose
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on October 14, 2019, 10:49:48 PM »
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Here’s a quote from Gus Rose that is the introduction of his interview in “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed. This speaks volumes to me. I can’t help but believe that if Oswald had lived to stand trial, and a jury had witnessed this description, it would have been very persuasive in helping to confirm that she believed the rifle was still there (until that moment).

“I could see what I believed was the imprint of a rifle. Though it may have been partly suggestive, something was there that made me think there was a rifle there. When I picked it up, it fell limp across my arm empty. At that point, Marina let out an audible gasp. I turned and looked at her and noticed that she was wide-eyed and pale. I thought for a moment that she might be about to faint. I now believe that at that point, with the rifle not being there, the full realization had soaked in . . .”
In the Priscilla McMillan book, "Marina and Lee", Marina's reaction is described as being a combination of shock over discovering the rifle was missing but also a realization that Oswald's odd behavior the day before now had an explanation.

From the McMillan account: "The blanket looked exactly as it always had, as if there were something bulky inside. As always, it was carefully tied in string. Marina shook all over, trying not to show her fright, as an officer stooped down to pick it up. It hung, limp, on either side of his arm.

Ruth looked at Marina. She had gone ashen.

"So it was Lee," Marina thought. "That is why he came last night." For Marina it was again one of those moments when kaleidoscopic and inexplicable occurrences suddenly clicked into place. She knew now why Lee had told her to buy "everything" she and the children needed, why he had left without kissing her good-bye."
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Gus Rose
« Last post by Colin Crow on October 14, 2019, 10:32:26 PM »
Can Charles (or anyone) provide an approximate time that the gasp occurred?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Gus Rose
« Last post by Bill Chapman on October 14, 2019, 09:57:50 PM »
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What I’ve figured out is that you’ll grasp at anything and call it evidence of murder.

Possibly.

Marina's gasp was the gateway
 
And no, I wouldn't try this case based on a solitary piece of evidence
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: A Better Sequence (TM DVP)
« Last post by Colin Crow on October 14, 2019, 09:56:07 PM »
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Agree, but I would substitute "someone" for "something".

What if someone mistook Givens for Williams?

An interesting suggestion. Are you familiar with the Waldo Thayer story and the role of the Howard brothers?
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