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Adams said she ran down the stairs, ran out the back door, ran around the west side of the TSBD and when she arrived at the front door she listened to a motorcycle radio. The item she heard on the radio (a report about shots coming from the 4th floor) was not played on the radio until 12:37pm.

It does not take 7 minutes to run down the stairs, run out the back door, run around the west side of the TSBD and then go to the front door. More like 3 minutes. So there is a missing 4 minutes in her timeline. The 4 minutes she spent on the fourth floor before running down the back stairs.

Case closed.

Adams said she ran down the stairs, ran out the back door, ran around the west side of the TSBD and when she arrived at the front door she listened to a motorcycle radio. The item she heard on the radio (a report about shots coming from the 4th floor) was not played on the radio until 12:37pm.

How in the world do you come up with BS like this. In all her known statements Adams is crystal clear that she and Styles came down the stairs, turned left and stepped out onto the loading dock at the back of the TSBD. Both then ran to the railroad yard where they were stopped by a police officer who told them to return to the TSBD. Adams then went back from the railroad yard along the front of the building where she saw several TSBD employees and overheard a police radio.

It does not take 7 minutes to run down the stairs, run out the back door, run around the west side of the TSBD and then go to the front door. More like 3 minutes. So there is a missing 4 minutes in her timeline. The 4 minutes she spent on the fourth floor before running down the back stairs.

Which, if true - it isn't - would mean that Adams lied to the FBI on 11/24/63, she lied to Jim Leavelle on 02/07/64 and she lied in her WC testimony. It means also that Dorothy Garner lied to Barefoot Sanders when she told him - according to the Stroud letter - that she saw Adams and Styles go down before Truly and Baker came up.

You are so full of BS. If the girls had spent 4 minutes on the 4th floor, they would have seen Oswald pass by (if he was ever there) and they would have seen Truly and Baker come up, just like Garner. None of that happened. What really happened is that they went down the stairs straightaway after the third shot and the so-called "missing 4 minutes in her timeline" is accounted for by the time she needed to get to the railway yard and her walk back to the front entrance of the building.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Bill Chapman on July 03, 2020, 04:13:18 PM »
Biden has plenty of his own cognitive issues

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Adams said she ran down the stairs, ran out the back door, ran around the west side of the TSBD and when she arrived at the front door she listened to a motorcycle radio. The item she heard on the radio (a report about shots coming from the 4th floor) was not played on the radio until 12:37pm.

It does not take 7 minutes to run down the stairs, run out the back door, run around the west side of the TSBD and then go to the front door. More like 3 minutes. So there is a missing 4 minutes in her timeline. The 4 minutes she spent on the fourth floor before running down the back stairs.

Case closed.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by John Tonkovich on July 03, 2020, 03:54:16 PM »
For Mr. Crow: the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's alleged enabler, certainly gives credence to your theory that the Epstein case could have brought down some rather prominent individuals, including..?  and that his demise was, perhaps, just a bit too " convenient " . So, Barr's firing of Berman may well have been a failed attempt at damage control. Thankfully, Barr's bungling of the situation, which resulted in his handpicked lackey not ending up as the head of SDNY, seems to have allowed the Epstein case, sans Epstein, to continue. Hallelujah!  My skepticism regarding Epstein being the motivating factor in the firing of Berman may well have been in error; nevertheless, I do believe there were/are other cases directly involving Trump, in the SDNY, which may also now continue moving forward, under the ( seemingly competent, judicious) authority of Audrey Strauss.

Thank you.
Feedback appreciated.

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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Bill Chapman on July 03, 2020, 03:48:21 PM »
Fox News Is Very Concerned About Trump's Cognitive Decline



Donald Trump can't seem to make it through a speech these days without losing his train of thought or slurring his words. Trump has become confused at public events showing clear visible signs of physical and mental decline. Trump's inability to walk down a ramp as well as drinking a glass of water with two hands has illustrated how weak he has become. His uncontrollable body movements have been witnessed on video with medical experts citing a neurological disorder such as dementia.     

Just recently on Twitter, Trump asked for the former head of Fox News Roger Ailes, for help with their negative television coverage. The only problem with that is, Ailes has been dead for three years. Donald Trump couldn't remember his old friend Ailes had passed away. Trump also stated wearing a mask would make him look like "The Lone Ranger". Again, the problem with this is, "The Lone Ranger" wore a mask around his eyes and not over his nose and mouth. Trump clearly forgot that as well showcasing his failing mind in his tweets. This video captures Trump's visible cognitive decline where he is slurring words and unable to pronounce words that he should. He also appears confused and unaware of his surroundings exhibiting dementia. Trump calls out for Rudy becoming confused looking around for him. "Where's Rudy?",Trump asks. Rudy is sitting across the table from him. Yes, Donald Trump is in steep cognitive decline.                     


The Where's Rudy video could be faked simply by placing Trump in place of Biden, who exhibits very similar issues. I seriously doubt that Fox News would go after Trump that viciously, if at all.

And by the way, did you not notice near the end of the video where Eric Trump says something to the the effect that if his father made these gaffes they'd invoke article 25 and remove him from office. The video was obviously about JOE BIDEN
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Adams is absolutely insistent and consistent on one point in every statement she ever made concerning her actions that day - she started heading for the stairs within seconds of the final shot and she was running. This is corroborated by subsequent statements made by both Styles and Garner. She is also consistent in saying she saw no-one on the stairs.
We know from the Couch and Darnell films Shelley and Lovelady were out front of the TSBD when Baker reached the foot of the steps outside the front entrance.
If we accept this evidence we must come to the conclusion that Adams could not possibly have seen Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor. It's impossible.
So we are left with two main possibilities - Adams lied about seeing Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor or this part of her WC testimony was added without her knowledge.
Lets look at motives. Why would Adams lie about this detail? I have no idea why she might do this but would be glad to hear some wild speculation about it. Why would the WC lie about this detail? I think that's obvious - to make it appear that Adams and Styles could not have been on the stairs at the same time as Oswald.
When Garner reached her office door Adams and Styles were already clattering down the 'very noisy' wooden stairs, she heard them clearly. She then moved closer to the area of the stairs where she would have and unobstructed view of anyone opening the door of the stairs coming down from the fifth floor and crossing the floor to go down the stairs to the third. More importantly, she would have heard anyone coming down. She was there moments later when Baker came up those same stairs. Oswald never came down those stairs. Adams never saw Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor. Of these things we can be certain.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on July 03, 2020, 02:13:18 PM »
Fox News Is Very Concerned About Trump's Cognitive Decline



Donald Trump can't seem to make it through a speech these days without losing his train of thought or slurring his words. Trump has become confused at public events showing clear visible signs of physical and mental decline. Trump's inability to walk down a ramp as well as drinking a glass of water with two hands has illustrated how weak he has become. His uncontrollable body movements have been witnessed on video with medical experts citing a neurological disorder such as dementia.     

Just recently on Twitter, Trump asked for the former head of Fox News Roger Ailes, for help with their negative television coverage. The only problem with that is, Ailes has been dead for three years. Donald Trump couldn't remember his old friend Ailes had passed away. Trump also stated wearing a mask would make him look like "The Lone Ranger". Again, the problem with this is, "The Lone Ranger" wore a mask around his eyes and not over his nose and mouth. Trump clearly forgot that as well showcasing his failing mind in his tweets. This video captures Trump's visible cognitive decline where he is slurring words and unable to pronounce words that he should. He also appears confused and unaware of his surroundings exhibiting dementia. Trump calls out for Rudy becoming confused looking around for him. "Where's Rudy?",Trump asks. Rudy is sitting across the table from him. Yes, Donald Trump is in steep cognitive decline.                     

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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on July 03, 2020, 01:36:47 PM »
Rushmore

Trump's legacy is his countless failures, and the damage he’s done to America and its people.

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Yeah, zero evidence except for the bag with his prints on it being found in the sniper's nest and the fact that he was seen carrying a long package to work that morning. Oh yeah, and those fibers in the bag that matched with fibers of the blanket that he kept his rifle wrapped in.

Carl Day accounted for it's existence prior to Nov 26. That alone would suffice in any court of law.

You mean like you've never seen it before? You've never seen the Waldman exhibits or the money order? How about the WC testimony of Klein's Vice President. Have you ever read that? If you want to approach this seriously, let me know.

All three shells were accounted for. One was not submitted to the Crime Lab right away because Fritz held onto it for awhile.

Yeah, zero evidence except for the bag with his prints on it being found in the sniper's nest and the fact that he was seen carrying a long package to work that morning. Oh yeah, and those fibers in the bag that matched with fibers of the blanket that he kept his rifle wrapped in.

Couple of questions, Tim

1. What evidentiary value does the paper bag allegedly found in the snipers nest have, considering that;

(1) it was made from TSBD material and found in the TSBD, on a floor where Oswald worked,
(2) it only had two identifiable prints on it, apparently belonging to Oswald, of which the locations on the bag were not consistent with the way Oswald, according to Frazier, carried the bag he brought with him,
(3) there were more prints present on the bag which could not be identified, leaving open the possibility of other people also having touched the bag

2. What, other than assumption, proves that the bag allegedly found at the TSBD is the same one Oswald carried that morning?

3. First of all, there is no match, to the exclusion of all other blankets, between the fibers found in the bag and the blanket found in Ruth Paine's garage. At best you can say the fibers are similar, but using the term "matched" is overstating the evidence.

And the question is; I'm sure you've seen the photographs made by the DPD and the FBI lab in which the blanket from Ruth Paine's garage lies directly next to the paper bag allegedly found at the TSBD. How can you rule out a transfer of fibers from the blanket to the bag when those photographs were taken? And if you can not rule out such a transfer, what evidentiary value do the fibers found in the paper bag actually have?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on July 03, 2020, 01:22:02 PM »
Trump fumes he gets no credit for the economy as advisor warns: ‘It’s hard to see how Trump can get re-elected’




According to a report from the Daily Beast, Donald Trump is privately fuming that he is getting no credit for rising employment numbers as workers return after being furloughed and businesses begin to reopen after being shut down in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic.

With the past two job reports showing decreases in unemployment numbers, the president and his administration have been touting the bounceback at the same time that the country is still suffering with 11 percent unemployment and an estimated 25 million Americans still out of work.

According to the Beast, based on interviews with three White House insiders, the president is furious about the lack of plaudits and puts a large part of the blame on the media.

“He’s argued that if former Vice President Joe Biden were in the White House during the current moment, the media would be fawning over the strong job gains,” the report states before adding, “Trump’s gone so far as to suggest that Democrats would want to build ‘statues’ honoring Biden, one of the sources said. Elsewhere, he’s griped about how the ‘phony’ polls conducted by independent organizations aren’t reflecting more voter enthusiasm about economic rejuvenation, another source recounted.”

More concerning to White House officials is the fact that he is also not getting a bump in the polls as the economy improves — something he had been counting on in his bid to be re-elected.

“Trump’s mounting frustrations underscore the degree to which he’s tied his personal political fortunes to the state of the economy. And they come as a major collision with Democrats over the economy’s future emerges on the horizon,” the report states before adding that the president is at a crossroads over a new COVID-19 economic stimulus package that could help Democrats if they get what they want while he gets no credit for keeping the economy afloat.

According to one economic adviser close to the president, unless workers flood back to their jobs, he doesn’t see a path to re-election.

“If our numbers are accurate, it’s hard to see how Trump can get re-elected with millions and millions of people unemployed,” conservative financial analyst Stephen Moore admitted.

The Beast report adds, “Some of the president’s top advisers working on his reelection effort have grown increasingly concerned that modest economic gains between now and the election in November simply won’t be enough to drag their candidate across the finish line to a second term,” with two officials admitting “feeling nervous last month” when they saw the president poor polling numbers stay the same after 2.5 million Americans returned to work in May.

You can read more here.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-whines-hes-not-getting-praised-for-a-recovery-with-25-million-people-still-out-of-work



New report explains why Trump is facing 'not  just defeat but humiliation’ in November




A report Thursday night in the New York Times dove into the behind-the-scenes details of a terrible month for President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign.

While Trump’s prospects against former Vice President Joe Biden have never been bright — the president has never once taken the lead in the RealClearPolitics average of their head-to-head national polls — things have gone from bad to worse.

“June represented the political nadir of his three and a half years in the Oval Office, when a race in which he had been steadily trailing, but faring respectably, broke open and left him facing the possibility of not just defeat but humiliation this fall,” the Times reported.

It found that internal campaign polls have shown Trump losing Georgia and even Kansas — which few have considered even a potential swing state.

Within the campaign, the grim external reality is reflected by tumultuous power struggles. Though there are doubts about whether Trump will fire his campaign manager after the recent disastrous Tulsa rally, the Times reported that the president’s son-in-law is openly hostile with Brad Parscale:

Mr. Kushner and Mr. Parscale appear increasingly at odds. Mr. Kushner has sent mixed signals about his view of the campaign manager: In a meeting with Republican officials this week, Mr. Kushner repeatedly shushed Mr. Parscale and told him to “shut up,” according to multiple people familiar with the events, but at other times he has urged friends of the president to tell Mr. Trump they think Mr. Parscale is doing a good job.

Of course, the truth is that regardless of the quality of the president’s campaign, his team can’t spin the way out of the mess he has created. The economy is in tatters, the virus he has repeatedly downplayed is resurgent, and Trump is a walking disaster. It’s a terrible environment for an incumbent to run in, and Trump only makes it worse for himself. The Times noted that the morning after one top GOP donor, Bernard Marcus, convinced Trump that his campaign was in trouble, the president sent his now-infamous “white power” tweet.

The report explained:

Last month’s convergence of crises, and the president’s missteps in responding to them, have been well-chronicled: his inflammatory response to racial justice protesters and his ill-considered rally in Tulsa, his refusal to acknowledge the resurgent virus or seriously address detailed reports about Russian operatives’ putting a cash bounty on American soldiers. It’s this kind of behavior, polls indicate, that has alienated swaths of swing voters.

But everyone knows he’s like this, and everyone knows he’s not going to change.

Another report from Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman painted Trump as despondent and out of sorts about the state of his re-elect:

Republicans that have spoken with Trump in recent days describe him as depressed and “down in the dumps.” “People around him think his heart’s not in it,” a Republican close to the White House said. Torn between the imperative to win suburban voters and his instincts to play to his base, Trump has complained to people that he’s in a political box with no obvious way out. According to the Republican, Trump called Tucker Carlson late last week and said, “what do I do? What do I do?”

Sherman also reported that Trump’s hoped-for in-person Republican National Convention may turn out to be a bust:

This week, Jacksonville, Florida—where Trump moved the Republican National Convention so he could hold a 15,000-person rally next month—mandated that people wear masks indoors to slow the explosion of COVID-19 cases. According to a Republican working on the convention, the campaign is now preparing to cancel the event so that Trump doesn’t suffer another Tulsa–like humiliation. “They probably won’t have it,” the source said. “It’s not going to be the soft landing Trump wanted.”

That would really sour his mood.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/new-report-explains-why-trump-is-facing-not-just-defeat-but-humiliation-in-november/



June was such a 'terrible' month for Trump he’s even trailing Joe Biden in Kansas




On Thursday, The New York Times reported in an analysis of President Donald Trump’s “terrible” month that the GOP’s internal polling shows him heading for electoral wipeout, with even safely red states in doubt.

“In addition to public surveys showing him losing decisively to Joseph R. Biden Jr. in a number of battleground states, private Republican polls in recent weeks show the president struggling even in conservative states, leading Mr. Biden by less than five points in Montana and trailing him in Georgia and even Kansas, according to G.O.P. officials who have seen the data,” said the report.

Additionally, said the report, “One Republican official who is in frequent contact with the campaign expressed incredulity at how some aides willfully distort the electoral landscape to mollify Mr. Trump, recalling one conversation in which they assured him he was faring well in Maine, a state where private polling shows he’s losing.”

Kansas has not voted for a Democrat for president since 1964.

Additionally, even a narrow win in the state for Trump would put the GOP in danger in the Senate race, where Democratic candidate Dr. Barbara Bollier has been shown as competitive in public polls, and where the GOP is trying to prevent the nomination of controversial former Secretary of State Kris Kobach.

You can read more here.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/june-was-such-a-terrible-month-for-trump-hes-even-trailing-joe-biden-in-kansas-nyt/
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