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General Discussion & Debate / Re: The Real Gloria Calvery
« Last post by Larry Trotter on Today at 05:55:28 AM »
Well Brian, after recent study of research, I have to conclude that I agree with the conclusion that Ms Calvery, along with Ms Reed, Ms Hicks, and Ms Westbrook, are standing along the north side of Elm St, a short distance east/northeast of the 3 ladies who I believe have been identified by the research as Ms Jacob, Ms Holt, and Ms Simmons-Nelson.

And, due to the stated identification(s), I tend to believe/conclude that a woman running, aka RunningWoman, could possibly be Ms Reed, as it appears that Ms Calvery and Ms Hicks are already at the steps as pictured.

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Absent those persons who have already given testimony that they were involved in a conspiracy, such as John Martino, or were approached to be involved, such as Loran Hall, then the CT will have to just continue to point out things that seem to defy random coincidence that may indicate certain people involved:

For example

1. LBT not getting shot at,  during the JFK shooting, nor at any time during his administration, yet Malcolm X, MLK and RFK, all got assassinated during LBJs time in office.

2. Many of LBJ's political opponent got killed, one of whom was found dead by 5 shots fired by a bolt action rifle, which was ruled "suicide"

3. Malcolm Wallace, LBJs confidant, found guilty of murder, overturned by LBJ, who got the judge to nullify jury verdict.

4. LBJs own former personal attorney described LBJ as a psychopath.

5. LBJ mistress story of secret meeting dav before the assassination,  and  LBJ said "after tomorrow those S.O.B.'s will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise.'"

6. LBJ reverses JFK  Vietnam foreign policy 3 days after JFK assassinated, plans for 180K army invasion of Vietnam, stages the Gulf of Tonkin false flag event in Aug 1964.

7. LBJ awards contract for A7 Corsairs aircraft that will be used in Vietnam War, to his good friend, Harold Byrd, owner of the TSBD during time that Oswald was employee. Harold Byrd removed window frame from TSBD which he thought was the SN window, and hung it in his own home with the other big game trophy heads on a wall.










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How is it null and void Tony?  She signed it and notated it. In doing so, she confirmed that she did indeed testify that she encountered Lovelady and Shelley upon reaching the first floor.

Wasn't used Tim. Hence one can call into question the ENTIRE document and its origins.

The Stroud document lists all of the corrections of which NONE were implemented.

What does this suggest to you Tim?
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Lovelady and Shelley both recalled remaining on the steps of the building for three to four minutes after the shooting. Memory loss by both Lovelady and Shelley?

Lovelady said three minutes which was corrected.

Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.

You know why he said that to Lovelady?
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You really have only 2 choices:

1. All the obfuscatilon, the unclear or absence of autopsy photos, the rearranging  of evidence, the shoddy notes taken by Will Fritz, unable to have lawyer, stenographer, present or find a recorder to tape Oswalds "interrogation" etc, is an indication of conspiracy or at the very least introduces reasonable doubt.

2. All the confusion and anomalous "evidence" like CE 399 is because of complete and utter incompetence of the investigators. And it was a consistent incompetence at every point in time, right up to the failure to provide adequate security for Oswalds transfer which led to his execution in real time, viewed by millions of people.
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One wonders, given the magnitude of this crime, that they would want to know EXACTLY what type bullet, define EXACTLY the entry hole. and would thus would have taken the time to actually shave the hair and reconstruct the skull with as many pieces as were found, rather than just a photo of a hand holding some presumably piece of skull in place by gripping the hair.

Stlll NOT Clear that it is piece of skull separated and held in place or the hand is just gripping some hair. There is no clear single bullet hole visible, in this only ONE photo taken, which causes even more doubt, was to why they could not have shown such hole after removing all hair using some chemical, and then reconstruct just the bare skull. Hence, they get the Ida Dox "enhanced drawing" to make the hole "appear".
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: The cramped decoy snipernest
« Last post by Zeon Wasinsky on Today at 03:48:38 AM »
Questions:

A. A US Marine trained rifleman decides not to use a position he has been trained to use, instead, elects to arrange boxes that will force him to use some unconventional odd position half standing, and/or leaning over top of boxes. Why? Unless its not Oswald the Marine, but some other shooter maybe?

B. How does the shooter know if his arrangement of boxes, his adjustment of window from almost fully open (Arnold Rowland observiing Bonnie Ray Williams in that SE window at 12:15 and 12:20pm), and if his leaning over boxes planned position will work, without testing it out beforehand?

C. If the shooter does all this activity, including testing see if his rifle rests correctly, during the 4-5 minutes just before JFK limo arrives, why does no one see any this activity in that SE window?

Witness observing shooter before JFK limo arrives:
 
Howard Brennan only saw a gunman apparently just standing leaning against wall, but no movement.

Arnold Rowland only saw a gunman briefly
 at SW 6th story window, just standing, but not no activity either.

D. Why, if Arnold Rowland has checked window every 5 minutes right up until JFK limo arrive, did he not notice the distinct change from a Negro being in a mostly open window, with NO box on the ledge, (BRW at 12:15-12:25) to a window now only 1/4th open and box which can clearly can be seen on the window ledge?

E. The box on the window ledge is angled in an unstable awkward position, and which prompted Luke Mooney to question what its purpose was, and if it might have actually been moved accidentally after the fact, by the shooter.

F. Since there appears to be some kind of dent or deformation on the top of the small box on window ledge, this suggests the box was used as rifle rest, but its never been demonstrated by any shooter experiment that this is a plausible rifle rest position.

G. The absence of any fingerprints on the box that had to be lifted up to and adjusted on the window ledge? Why? Does the shooter remember use hankerchief or gloves this time, and just for this box, but forgets when moving other boxes?

Concerning the head shot trajectory from the SE window

A. The angle is such, because of JFK head rotated left and is leaning left, (as already shown here in several of Paul diagrams), raises doubt about how such a minimal tangential impact of upper right curvature of skull, could have caused an 6.5mm FMJ Mannlicher Carcano bullet to fragment into 4 nearly equal pieces, one of which would have had to deflect longitudinally across  most the right hemisphere of JFK skull so as to exit at the "V" notch. This is the only probable way to have causes the radial fragmentation lines seen in the right lateral JFK x ray, which lines if extended, intersect approximately at the "V" notch seen in the Autopsy photo.

B. Until such time as there has been conducted an experiment firing an FMJ 6.5mm ballshaped bullet striking an human skull or approximate model representing such, it remains doubtful such type bullet would fragment into 4 equal fragments approx, upon striking a curvilininear rigid shell.

C. The experiment done in to replicate the blood spatter pattern of Z 313 frame, the bullet that traversed the tangential upper right side of the dummy skull, did NOT fragment AT ALL!!!
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That version wasnt what was officially published, hence is null and void. You do not know the circumstances on what she read and when she saw her WC testimony years later she had no recollections of seeing Lovelady and Shelley's name.

I can give you an example where ONE error was changed and included in someone else's WC testimony. So why bother asking for her to read the document, sign it and then fail to incorporate the changes?

Haven't you read the memos that were sent out to the WC staffers and how they were to treat testimony and changes?

What you fail to comprehend was that neither Adams nor Styles were key material witnesses as neither saw anyone on the NW stairwell when they used them.

Why the bother with Adams then? She wasnt the key material witness - Dorothy Garnerwas.

Why didn't Mr David Belin call up Garner in order to sort this out?

How is it null and void Tony?  She signed it and notated it. In doing so, she confirmed that she did indeed testify that she encountered Lovelady and Shelley upon reaching the first floor.
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It is interesting Tim, that BOTH Lovelady and Shelley had no recollection of this first floor "encounter" with Adams just several months later.

So if you believe in Victoria's "recollection" of seeing and speaking with Lovelady and Shelley how come both men don't support her version of events?

Memory loss by both Lovelady and Shelley?  ;D

Lovelady and Shelley both recalled remaining on the steps of the building for three to four minutes after the shooting. Memory loss by both Lovelady and Shelley?
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There was only one version that she notated and signed. That's the one that matters here.

I don't feel compelled to explain why her corrections were ignored by the Warren Commission.

That version wasnt what was officially published, hence it is null and void. You do not know the circumstances on what she read and when she saw her WC testimony years later she had no recollections of seeing Lovelady and Shelley's name.

I can give you an example where ONE error was changed and included in someone else's WC testimony. So why bother asking for her to read the document, make changes, sign it and then fail to incorporate the changes?

Haven't you read the memos that were sent out to the WC staffers and how they were to treat testimony and changes?

Neither Adams nor Styles were key material witnesses as neither saw or heard anyone on the NW stairwell when they used them.

Why the bother with Adams then? She wasnt the key material witness - Dorothy Garner was.

Why didn't Mr David Belin call up Garner?

If Garner was NOT in a position to see who had come down from the floor above post shots this would have strengthened the WC's case against Lee as being the assassin.

Mr Belin did not call up Garner just in case she was in a prime position to have seen or heard anyone coming down from the 5th floor.

The Stroud document proved that she was in a prime position to note who came down from the floor above.

So we have no one anywhere who saw or heard anyone come down from the 6th floor post shots, hence how did the WC conclude that Lee was the 6th floor assassin?



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