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Okay.  Can you give me an example of a piece of evidence, which you believe is authentic, that doesn't justify the conclusion reached, based upon that piece of evidence?

This thread is not intended to mock.  I ask in all sincerity..

Yeah, right.....

You've already shown your true colors again in another thread. I have no intention to go further with this conversation..
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Off Topic / Re: Legendary mobster Whitey Bulger found dead in prison
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 08:58:15 AM »
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Unnamed prison officials have told US media that Bulger, who used a wheelchair, was pushed by the inmates into a corner of his cell not in the view of security cameras.
But despite their efforts to hide, CCTV cameras captured at least two inmates engaging in the attack that left Bulger bloody and "unrecognizable", according to the New York Times.
Officials say a metal padlock tucked into a sock - known in prisons as a "lock-in-the-sock" - was wielded like a mace during the attack.
According to several reports, Bulger's eyes had been gouged out, or possibly detached from his skull due to the force of the beating he received.
His tongue also may have been cut out, several US outlets have reported. The FBI has so far refused to comment on Bulger's death.

Wow.

Did you ever run across him, Steve?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: West side of the TSBD
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 08:44:12 AM »



Imo, this perspective photo shows that it is entirely possible for a shooter from the 1st West side window, 6th floor, TSBD, next to the Southwest corner window, to have a clear line of sight to the JFK limo at Z 313 (the X in road).
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The highest officer in the FBI took it upon himself to take a personal interest in the matter and write a memo about a possible impersonation of Oswald in Florida. A memo like that doesn't get written if there was no indication of wrong doing.

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How do you know, Martin? Are you privy to each and every rule and regulation in the FBI manual, as well as all the many clandestine maneuvers and tricks that agents pull when writing memos? Do you have proof that the memo was actually written by the person you said it was written by?

See? Anyone can play the kinds of bullshit games you play.

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This might surprise you, but I think most of the evidence that we know is probably authentic. Whether it justifies the conclusions based upon it and the context in which it's being presented is another matter.

Okay.  Can you give me an example of a piece of evidence, which you believe is authentic, that doesn't justify the conclusion reached, based upon that piece of evidence?
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Ah yes, the 'dog in the middle of the seat' woman. She claimed she stepped onto the street before the fatal shot which is also incorrect. She claims she didn't see Mrs. Kennedy climb onto the trunk because she herself was running across the street trying to catch the shooter. Jean Hill is/was full if shite.
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I believe the very first interview was done with James Darnell and it was passed onto Tom Whelan of WBAP-TV.
The interview starts at about 27:48.


In this initial interview, Jean Hill says the shots came from the hill.  Her televised interview (an hour or 2 later) does not make this claim.
Here is a transcript from the video starting at about 27:48.

Tom Whelan:  This is Tom Whelan in Fort Worth.  WBAP Newsman, James Darnell in Dallas on the scene of the Presidential shooting.  The shooting at which President Kennedy and Governor Connally were shot....Has an eyewitness interview with a Mrs. Jean Hill.  Here is the interview.
James Darnell:   What is your name Maam?
Jean Hill:   Jean Hill
James Darnell:   From Dallas?
Jean Hill:   That's right.
James Darnell:   And did you see the shooting Miss?
Jean Hill:   Yes, sir.
James Darnell:   Can you describe what happened?
Jean Hill:   Yes, sir.
James Darnell:   Can you do that now?
Jean Hill:   They were driving along and we were the only people in this area on our side, and the shots came directly across the street from us.  And just as the President's car became directly even with us, we we took one look at him and he was sitting there him and Jackie were looking at a dog in the middle of the seat, and at that time two shots rang out just as he looked up.   Just as the President looked up and these  two shots rang out and he grabbed his chest and looked like he was in pain and he fell over in his seat and Jackie fell over on him and said My God he has been shot!  Then after that more shots rang out and the car sped away.
James Darnell:   What kind of a car was that? 
Jean Hill:   What kind of a car was that?   The President's car!
James Darnell:   No, I mean where did the shots come from?
Jean Hill:   The shots came from the hill.
James Darnell:   From the hill?
Jean Hill:   Yes.  It was just east of the underpass.
James Darnell:   Uhuh! And a a...
Jean Hill:   We were on the south side of the street.
James Darnell:   Did you look up there where the shots came from Maam?
Jean Hill:   Yes, sir. 
James Darnell:   Did you see anyone?
Jean Hill:   I thought I saw this man running but I looked at the President and you know... for a while, I looked up there and I thought I saw a man running. So right after that, I guess I didn't have any better sense,  I started running up there too!
James Darnell:   And what is your name?
Jean Hill:    Jean Hill.
James Darnell:  What is your address?
Jean Hill:   9402 Bluff Creek
James Darnell:   9402 Bluff..

Tom Whelan:   That was an interview I had with Mrs. Jean Hill of Dallas a few minutes ago.   A short time later,  Dallas sheriff officers took a young man into custody.   It is believed they also took a rifle at the same time, described as a 3030 rifle which was supposedly found in the scene, although this has not been confirmed!  And as we reported earlier, both Governor Connally and President Kennedy are in the emergency room.  That is, the President is now, Governor Connally was moved to another room in the hospital.  A Catholic priest was called to the emergency room a short time ago and the President's condition is described as very critical.  Representative Albert Thomas of Houston said both men were alive however.  This is Tom Whalen reporting from Fort Worth Texas concerning the shooting of President Kennedy and Governor Connally of Texas....Stay tuned to NBC for further details...

Additional information coming from 34:55 of this same video.

Announcer:  "There is this additional detail from the hospital.    An assistant to Governor Connally said he talked to the Governor in the hospital operating room.  He said the Governor was shot just below the shoulder blade in the back.  The assistant Bill Stenson said he asked the Governor how it happened.    And he said I don't know,   I guess from the back.   They got the President too!   These are 2 quotes from Governor Connally who was also wounded.   There are additional reports that the Governor's aide asked the Governor if there was anything he could do.   And all the Governor said was take care of Nellie for me.   That is Governor Connally's wife.   She was also not injured.  Mrs. Kennedy was not injured......"

It didn't appear that Governor Connally had any trouble speaking after the shooting as he talked to his aide.  He certainly wasn't unconscious and could still issue statements from that room in the hospital.

Now, compare Jean Hill's radio information to her initial "on camera interview", likely an hour or 2 later.  It is interesting to see the similarities and how some things changed in a short period of time as she gathered her thoughts for the second interview.



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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Prayer Woman
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 03:21:24 AM »
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I could care less about his theories re two Oswalds.  The topic I am referring to is "Prayer Woman". 
Why do you buffs always assume that people who believe O to be guilty of shooting and killing President Kennedy are advocates of the Warren Report?  While the commission did get some things right, not everything is right.  It's ridiculous that you buffs assume so much. 

 And while I'm at it...this crime is 55 years old Thursday.  Is this all you have going on in your life?

It seems to occupy you just as much, so is this all you have going in your life?


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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Prayer Woman
« Last post by Steve Barber on Today at 03:08:52 AM »
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---------------BREAKING NEWS---------------
Warren Report advocate Mr Steve Barber has expressed his "full support" for the "amazing" "research" of Mr Brian Doyle, a conspiracy theorist noted for his belief that there were two Oswalds in the Texas School Book Depository when President John F. Kennedy was shot, and for his bold speculation that Ms Sarah Stanton was wearing a wig "in a professional situation" as she stood on the Depository front steps.
Mr Barber's shock endorsement has been widely seen as a sign of the growing thaw in relations between establishment Warren Report advocates and the wilder fringes of the JFK conspiracy theory community. There are rumours that Prof. John McAdams is currently in talks with Mr Ralph Cinque about a joint communique on the mobile photo alteration laboratory allegedly set up in the vicinity of the Texas School Book Depository on the fateful day in question.
More to follow.

 I could care less about his theories re two Oswalds.  The topic I am referring to is "Prayer Woman". 
Why do you buffs always assume that people who believe O to be guilty of shooting and killing President Kennedy are advocates of the Warren Report?  While the commission did get some things right, not everything is right.  It's ridiculous that you buffs assume so much. 

 And while I'm at it...this crime is 55 years old Thursday.  Is this all you have going on in your life?
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General Discussion & Debate / Old story or new suspects?
« Last post by Matilda Pope on Today at 02:51:49 AM »
So before my dad died I noticed a vid (vhs) in his apartment and asked.  I was young and didn't grow up with much tv.  It was a jfk assasination tape.

Dad said it was a conspiracy and spoke about several things.  He spoke about how the family had a biz.  A pretroluem drilling biz.  It was pretty large he said.  According to my mom's dad, over 30 drills going daily.  Dad spoke about either they wanted to go public or 'others' wanted them to.  Also about how the taxes changed.  I know now from reading that JFK's murder put the tax increase on hold until Carter.

Dad also spoke about how people would come over.  Due to Dad's mom's brother having graduated from Annapolis.  Grandma's brother was Lt Commander Milton Frank Pavlic KIA.  Dad said one was a depuety director at the CIA and was dead now.

I asked if they did it in refference to JFK's murder and Dad said "we could of".

Perhaps it's nothing but still very connected if true.  Seems probable they knew Rufus Taylor and other big names from late 1920's early 30's annapolis.

I've also mingled a bit too close with a 1980s Marine Force Recon guy.  He supposedly bugged my apartment in 2001 for around 8 months.  Called his friend John director of naval security to have federal cars follow me around and he wanted to grow cannabis in Virginia for 'the military needs money for what congress won't give them money for'.

So I figure the truth was what dad spoke of or what I kbew about Tonas Uribes father Alvaro when we both went to Culver Naval School.

I may never know and don't expect great feedback.  Maybe I see the connection more since I lived it.

Thanks for reading!
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