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The problem with using simple geometry is that bullets can curve, particularly bullets that fragment, which a WCC/MC bullet would do upon striking the skull, at nearly 90% of its muzzle velocity. Unlike the SBT bullet which was slowed by Kennedy’s neck before striking Connally’s rib.

While the bullet through Kennedy’s neck would go straight, before the yawing bullet started to curve through Connally’s torso, allowing a rough estimate to show a straight line from the sniper’s nest, through Kennedy’s neck to Connally’s back.

In contrast, the bullet that struck the head would have started to fragment as soon as it hit the skull, immediately resulting in fragments that curve greatly.



If we ignore the fact that bullet fragments curve greatly, a fact that ballistic experts know from the experiments they run, straight line geometry does not imply a ground level shooter but a shooter firing from a lower level, the engine compartment of the follow up Secret Service vehicle.

A shot from a shooter lying down on the sidewalk or from a sewer would be blocked by the same car. Only a shooter in the engine compartment works.



Read Larry Sturdivan’s book “The JFK Myths” for a good primer on ballistics related to the President Kennedy assassination.

Walter White
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The problem with using simple geometry is that bullets can curve, particularly bullets that fragment, which a WCC/MC bullet would do upon striking the skull, at nearly 90% of its muzzle velocity. Unlike the SBT bullet which was slowed by Kennedy’s neck before striking Connally’s rib.

While the bullet through Kennedy’s neck would go straight, before the yawing bullet started to curve through Connally’s torso, allowing a rough estimate to show a straight line from the sniper’s nest, through Kennedy’s neck to Connally’s back.

In contrast, the bullet that struck the head would have started to fragment as soon as it hit the skull, immediately resulting in fragments that curve greatly.



If we ignore the fact that bullet fragments curve greatly, a fact that ballistic experts know from the experiments they run, straight line geometry does not imply a ground level shooter but a shooter firing from a lower level, the engine compartment of the follow up Secret Service vehicle.

A shot from a shooter lying down on the sidewalk or from a sewer would be blocked by the same car. Only a shooter in the engine compartment works.



Read Larry Sturdivan’s book “The JFK Myths” for a good primer on ballistics related to the President Kennedy assassination.

You talk the talk, Joe, but do you walk the walk? Seriously, do you actually believe this nonsense you post?

Bullets do not fragment upon impact with a skull, especially FMJ bullets, unless you are shooting Cape buffalo or Kodiak bears. Even then, an FMJ bullet would not fragment upon impact. It would more than likely deform into a mushroom shape. On a human skull, FMJ and soft point bullets penetrate quite nicely, and a Carcano bullet would leave a nice little 1/4 inch hole in the scalp, as reported by Tom Robinson.

If bullet fragments curve so nicely inside the skull, wouldn't a large gaping wound in the right rear of JFK's skull be possible, if the shooter was on the Grassy Knoll?
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You can't blame the site, "Dr." Nickerson. I would have thought a great medical man such as yourself would have seen that.  snigger1

No Bob, I missed it. As did you previously.
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Yes it should "Dr." Prudhomme. The site that I copied and pasted it from has transcribed it incorrectly. The correct term is "medial" and that is the term that the HSCA used.

249.As is detailed in a late section, "Course of the Missile Through the Body," the X-rays demonstrate that the missile did not strike the scapula (wing bone) or ribs and did not remain in the body. This evidence, coupled with the photographs, indicates that the entrance perforation is medial to the scapula and superior to the ribs.

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You can't blame the site, "Dr." Nickerson. I would have thought a great medical man such as yourself would have seen that.  snigger1
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"The bullet got into its tumble when it hit bone, which deflected it thru a small hole in JFK's throat before its yaw became significant. That also takes care of the trajectory issues re the impossible 17 deg angle from the SN."

Sorry, John, but I have to take issue with you here on this matter. As you pointed out yourself, the only thing inducing yaw in this bullet would be the flesh it was travelling through, as well as contact with the transverse process of T1; should such a thing actually have occurred.

Once in the air again, there is nothing to induce further yaw. Whatever yaw, and tumbling, the bullet possesses as it exits HAD to be taking place BEFORE the bullet exited the throat, despite whatever cheap tricks are thrown at us.

Therefore, if the bullet was tumbling between JFK and Connally, that tumbling began when it contacted T1. It MIGHT have progressed as it travelled through flesh, but no further tumbling was induced AFTER it left the throat.

Even if this tumbling bullet miraculously happened to exit JFK's throat point first, it would not have left a small round exit wound, as it would be in mid-tumble, and this tumbling would have displaced much more flesh on the bullet's way out.

While deflection off of T1 would solve the trajectory problem in JFK's neck, with a bullet travelling a downward trajectory of 17° from the SN, by levelling out the path of the bullet, it now contradicts the 25° downward path the bullet followed along the side of Connally's chest.

You would have us believe that deflecting the bullet off of T1 would cause it to follow a trajectory of less than 17°, while passage through Connally would require it to travel at a much steeper angle of 25°.

You can't have it both ways.
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In effect - there are no in situ photographs of the SN only reconstructions.

 :You_Rock_Emoticon:  Absolutely right, Mr Fratini.....  The DPD "reconstructed" the stage prop "crime scene" because the original plot called for evidence that Lee Oswald had fired two shots AT  JFK.....   When it became patently clear that the vast majority of the witnesses had heard more than two shots and there was physical evidence of at least five bullet strikes  the conspirators knew that they would have to increase the number of spent shells found and create fake photos to support their lie.

They also created a fake photo that purportedly shows the rifle in situ ......

And You have done an excellent job in exposing the fabrication of the paper bag by the DPD.....

Thank you Walt!

And yet, in one of the greatest ironies of all - the paper bag (CE 142) that the FBI found partial prints on - hence providing the FBI the vital link between Lee and the rifle - wasnt ever used for a reconstruction photo. Despite the FBI making a replica sack, it never appeared in a reconstruction photo as a substitute.

In an Oral History, Carl Day stated:

Bob: The Identification Division did what, what does that cover?

Carl: (0:09:41) That of course was keeping the criminal records, fingerprinting the prisoners, and at that time, we made a few calls out to the crime scene to check for fingerprints and take pictures and collect physical evidence. Did very little of it up until about 1954 when they started hitting pretty heavy on crime scene search they called it.

Bob: Well, that made you head of the Crime Lab at that time?
Carl: Yes, I was the immediate supervisor of the crime scene search division.

So he knew what to do, yet failed to photograph CE 142 in situ, found no fingerprints on it, failed to look inside it and left CE 142 behind in the TSBD.

It is a BS story  because there was no CE 142 present on the 6th floor in the SE corner at the time Mooney and other Detectives were there, including Captain Fritz.

Day made the entire story up as a CYA. He was back tracking.

Bob: One of the questions that I think has come up is the bag that Oswald‟s rifle was in. There weren‟t any pictures made of that? Do you remember seeing that in that area?

Carl: Yes, there was a bag, a brown bag, there. It was made out of wrapping paper, and we collected that bag.

Bob: You did collect it, but you didn‟t photograph it?

Carl: There should be a picture of it somewhere.

Bob: Now where was it now, where was it? Kind of behind the boxes, do you remember?

Carl: To the best of my knowledge, it was to the right on the floor of where he was sitting, on the box that I showed you a minute ago. It may have been the right, it may have been the left, but there was a bag there.

Bob: Left would be like in the corner…

Carl: Yes, in the corner out back towards the north side of the building, where you headed up to it.

Bob: What did it look like to you, then, if you collected it, did you not know what it was?

Carl: I didn‟t know anything about a bag at that time. There was a bag laying there, at the first thing, there was a brown paper bag, it was too big for that. Later examination indicated that it was a bag had been made out of wrapping paper. It appeared to be shipping paper, and there was a roll in the shipping department downstairs that sent me the paper. Of course at that time, we didn‟t know anything about Oswald, didn‟t know anything about what happened. There was a bag there and it was collected.

He had no idea about any paper bag on the 6th floor.

How could Day forget about the paper bag that the alleged assassin brought in the rifle to kill a POTUS?

Bob: So you took the rifle…

Carl: Anyway, after we got the pictures taken, I reached down and picked the rifle up. It had a leather strap on it. It was apparent that you could not get a fingerprint off that leather strap - it was entirely too rough. I picked it up by the leather strap. I took a little powder if I remember correctly and put it on the knob of the bolt, that you pull the bolt back to eject the shell. It was too small to do anything with, there was no print there. So I held the gun by the strap, and Captain Fritz got a hold of that bolt and pulled it back and opened it, and a live round fell out. It was ready to fire again. I put a, I think I put a little powder on the gun at the time, but I told Captain Fritz this is not the place to try to work on this gun. I took it back to the City Hall and locked it up. This must have been maybe 2 p.m., best of my memory.

No mention at all about the detour to the first floor shipping room.

on the rifle:

"But anyway, I stopped and stripped it back in the stock and put it aside. I didn't try to wrap it up or anything because you could mess those prints up wrapping them up and handling them. I didn't have time to write reports or anything like that, it must have been after ten o‟clock then, so I just put the gun back in the evidence room and left it alone until Drain came in at 11:30. He had two or three people with him."

He stated the same thing in No More Silence. This strongly suggested that placing the rifle in the paper bag (CE 142) was not a good idea.

Bob: Well, you‟ve brought a couple of books with you. There have been any number of books over the years, but before we get to that, maybe, back to the bag. The paper bag connected with the rifle…did you work with that, or the FBI?

Carl: No, I didn't do anything to that. I turned it over to the FBI. I don't have my records. I can't tell exactly what I gave them, but I know it was given to the FBI and the boxes. They process all that stuff and mark it. Now back to this autopsy, we had a fellow here, a medical examiner who was a corker. I don't know whether you knew him or not, Earl Rose. He was in charge of the medical examiner's office at that time.

How could Day forget that it was dusted for fingerprints and that he wrote directly on it?

CE 142 was a complete fabrication.
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There is better video of that fellow, who has stripes on the wrists and jacket bottom reminiscent of a letterjacket style.  Also, that station wagon is marked on the side as a radio or t.v. wagon, also seen at Parkland. 

Now if you want to talk about the departing white station wagon with luggage rack that Amos Euins is standing in front of behind the pergola in the parking lot right after the murder, I'm listening.
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According to various versions by Mrs. Marie Tippit, teen son Allen alternately faked a stomach ache and stayed home; nurse called from school and she picked him up and he had already heard about the President being shot; and a few others.  If that second one is true, as she states in the video, it adds a fact to the Tippit timeline not previously considered that I know of.

Also, if Tippit did indeed get a call at home as stated, who called him?  No one has mentioned calling him that I've read.  Considering he had been murdered, seems any officer of the law would volunteer pertinent information like that had they been the caller.  Clearly, in Curtis's family memory or retelling of that day, his dad got a call that prompted him to leave.  And if Mrs, Tippit picked up Allan after Allan had learned the President had been shot at 12:30, then had a quick lunch with Allan and Officer Tippit, it is heading on toward 12:50, 1:00.

"He didn't take his whole hour", Marie Tippit recalled. "He said he couldn't stay because he might be needed, since most officers were downtown for the President's motorcade. He didn't get any kind of call, he just left on his own."[248] -- You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login (Kindle Location 1703). Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.

[248] Harris, Lewis, “Policeman’s Family Not Forgotten,” Dallas Morning News, November 24, 1963, Sec. 1, p. 11

Myers, Dale K. With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J. D. Tippit (Kindle Locations 11187-11188). Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.

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I wonder what is true about who was where when.  I remember that particular few hours on 112263 with clarity, as do most folks, you would think these discrepancies would not be a case of poor memory, particularly a poor memory with details.

Actually, I know of numerous examples of where decades old recollections of the events of that day conflict with statements made that day and in the days, weeks and months that followed.
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I know some people reject the autopsy findings as a complete fabrication but I'm not willing to go that far, as the autopsy does itself challenge the LN narrative.

The conclusions drawn by Howard Donahue are easily discredited but I think his ballistic work is invaluable.  I'm new here so I'm not sure how debated to death this is but it helped me to form my own theory as to what happened during the Big Event.

If the ballistic analysis and the autopsy records are legit, which I believe that they are, Kennedy was shot with two different types of ammunition, one a flesh wound from a FMJ bullet that was a clean through and through, which then struck Governor Connally as he turned, and a second bullet an expanding bullet of a smaller caliber (thus producing a similar sized entry wound with the FMJ ammunition, expanding ammunition does not create the same kind of entry and exit wounds as FMJ) either a hollow point bullet, soft point bullet or a frangible bullet (Donahue theorizes the latter as a frangible bullet would simply disintegrate thus no bullet remaining, whereas a hollow point or soft point bullet could have simply been lost or never found).

 


The problem with using simple geometry is that bullets can curve, particularly bullets that fragment, which a WCC/MC bullet would do upon striking the skull, at nearly 90% of its muzzle velocity. Unlike the SBT bullet which was slowed by Kennedy’s neck before striking Connally’s rib.

While the bullet through Kennedy’s neck would go straight, before the yawing bullet started to curve through Connally’s torso, allowing a rough estimate to show a straight line from the sniper’s nest, through Kennedy’s neck to Connally’s back.

In contrast, the bullet that struck the head would have started to fragment as soon as it hit the skull, immediately resulting in fragments that curve greatly.



If we ignore the fact that bullet fragments curve greatly, a fact that ballistic experts know from the experiments they run, straight line geometry does not imply a ground level shooter but a shooter firing from a lower level, the engine compartment of the follow up Secret Service vehicle.

A shot from a shooter lying down on the sidewalk or from a sewer would be blocked by the same car. Only a shooter in the engine compartment works.



Read Larry Sturdivan’s book “The JFK Myths” for a good primer on ballistics related to the President Kennedy assassination.
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Bill, according to "With Malice",  Allen was at home when his father came home for lunch.

"Earlier that morning, Allen had been sent home sick from school. So both Allen and J.D.'s youngest son Curtis were there when their dad came home for lunch one last time."

According to various versions by Mrs. Marie Tippit, teen son Allen alternately faked a stomach ache and stayed home; nurse called from school and she picked him up and he had already heard about the President being shot; and a few others.  If that second one is true, as she states in the video, it adds a fact to the Tippit timeline not previously considered that I know of.

Also, if Tippit did indeed get a call at home as stated, who called him?  No one has mentioned calling him that I've read.  Considering he had been murdered, seems any officer of the law would volunteer pertinent information like that had they been the caller.  Clearly, in Curtis's family memory or retelling of that day, his dad got a call that prompted him to leave.  And if Mrs, Tippit picked up Allan after Allan had learned the President had been shot at 12:30, then had a quick lunch with Allan and Officer Tippit, it is heading on toward 12:50, 1:00. 

I wonder what is true about who was where when.  I remember that particular few hours on 112263 with clarity, as do most folks, you would think these discrepancies would not be a case of poor memory, particularly a poor memory with details.

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