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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 08:21:42 AM »
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Transfer of fiber while handling evidence.





So the fibers jumped into the sleeves of Oswald's jacket and the same fibers lodged themselves in Oswald's rifle?



JohnM
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Tom Sorensen on Today at 08:15:52 AM »
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Explain.

Transfer of fiber while handling evidence.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Tom Sorensen on Today at 08:14:02 AM »
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On the evening of the murder, eight months before her confused Warren Commission testimony, did Markham pick the "number two" man or not?  Of course she did.

So now it's "pick". I get it.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 08:11:28 AM »
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How do you positively identify someone you don't recognize?

On the evening of the murder, eight months before her confused Warren Commission testimony, did Markham pick the "number two" man or not?  Of course she did.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 08:08:48 AM »
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It's called cross contamination.

Explain.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Tom Sorensen on Today at 08:04:46 AM »
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How does Markham's testimony in July of 1964, whether she was confused by the questioning or not, negate her 11/22/63 positive identification of Lee Oswald as the man she saw murder J.D. Tippit?

Regardless of how one chooses to view her testimony eight months later, NONE OF IT takes from the fact that she positively identified Oswald at the police lineup on the day of the murder.

How do you positively identify someone you don't recognize?
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Tom Sorensen on Today at 08:03:26 AM »
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He wanted her to understand the questions.

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men*

*Meaning prior to that day

No, prior to the lineup. That's Commission Speak.

Markham was fully aware of the context:

Mr. BALL. Later that day they had a showup you went to?
Mrs. MARKHAM. A lineup?
Mr. BALL. A lineup.
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Tom Sorensen on Today at 07:58:55 AM »
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Wow.  You're the king of making straw man arguments.

I didn't say that the fibers came from any specific shirt.

How about quitting with the straw man and deal with what I actually did say.  The fibers found inside one of the sleeves of the jacket matched the microscopic fibers from Oswald's arrest shirt.

Is something you've posted somehow supposed to prove that my statement is wrong?

It's called cross contamination.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 07:53:44 AM »
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No sign of misunderstanding whether she recognized Oswald or not.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no

BALL started harassing and leading the witness when Markham didn't deliver what he wanted. 

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.

In court BALL would have been immediately stopped as she had already answered his question; Markham fully understands "recognized":

Mr. BALL. All right. I have some pictures here that I would like to show you. I have Exhibits 521 and 522, which have been marked as Exhibits. Here is one picture, 521. Do you recognize that as the sign down?
Mrs. MARKHAM. This is the corner of Patton and 10th.
//
Mr. BALL. No, I have another picture I will show her. I have here Exhibit 522; do you recognize the white house in the picture?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
//
Mr. BALL. Northwest corner; that is the northwest corner. Here is a picture. Do you recognize that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
//
Mr. BALL. I have some other pictures here that might illustrate. Do you recognize this?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.

Straight answers all the way. She didn't recognize Oswald in the lineup. BALL was desperate.

How does Markham's testimony in July of 1964, whether she was confused by the questioning or not, negate her 11/22/63 positive identification of Lee Oswald as the man she saw murder J.D. Tippit?

Regardless of how one chooses to view her testimony eight months later, NONE OF IT takes from the fact that she positively identified Oswald at the police lineup on the day of the murder.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Bill Chapman on Today at 07:44:07 AM »
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No sign of misunderstanding whether she recognized Oswald or not.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no

BALL started harassing and leading the witness when Markham didn't deliver what he wanted. 

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.

In court BALL would have been immediately stopped as she had already answered his question; Markham fully understands "recognized":

Mr. BALL. All right. I have some pictures here that I would like to show you. I have Exhibits 521 and 522, which have been marked as Exhibits. Here is one picture, 521. Do you recognize that as the sign down?
Mrs. MARKHAM. This is the corner of Patton and 10th.
//
Mr. BALL. No, I have another picture I will show her. I have here Exhibit 522; do you recognize the white house in the picture?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
//
Mr. BALL. Northwest corner; that is the northwest corner. Here is a picture. Do you recognize that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
//
Mr. BALL. I have some other pictures here that might illustrate. Do you recognize this?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.

Straight answers all the way. She didn't recognize Oswald in the lineup. BALL was desperate.

She had seen the streets prior, so naturally she recognized them

You've avoided the way in which she reacted upon realizing he was the killer
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