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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul
« Last post by Gary Craig on Today at 02:28:53 AM »
Quote from: Richard Smith on Today at 01:12:11 AM
If Dylan's name wasn't associated with it, the critics would have fallen down laughing at the childish lyrics.  But because Dylan wrote it, it must be genius.  Some guys don't know when to call it quits.

"If Dylan's name wasn't associated with it"

But his name is associated with it and he's a Nobel Prize recipient for literature.

You calling his lyrics childish says more about you than him.



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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Last post by Gary Craig on Today at 02:22:15 AM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Today at 12:02:20 AM
Who said anything about a crest, ground off or not, on the rifle found in the TSBD? Do you even know what you're arguing, or why you're arguing it?

I'm not arguing anything with you. Just pointing out some facts and asking questions.

The majority of model '91 Argentine 7.65 Mausers imported into the US had the Argentine national crest ground off.

https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

"Collectors in the U.S., though, often find the national crest ground off of Argentine 1891 Mausers. This was done in the aftermath of the Chaco War of 1935, which pitted Bolivia and Paraguay against one another in a vicious albeit brief struggle for control of South America’s resource-rich Chaco Boreal. Argentina provided Paraguay with a large number of Model 1891 Mausers during the conflict in a move that jeopardized its relationship with Bolivia. The presence of unground national crests made it impossible to deny Argentina’s direct support for Paraguay, so after the war Argentina instituted a law requiring the removal of the national crest from any gun leaving the country. Although the government in Buenos Aires later dropped this requirement, by then most of the Argentine 1891 Mausers had been ground, and this accounts for why it is rare to find one with the crest intact."

Pertinent to the conversation because of the alleged Boone and Weitzman misidentification of a rifle in the TSBD. Apparently a '91 Argentine Mauser because it's the Mauser that most resembles the TSBD Carcano. My question: Is there something on the TSBD Carcano  that would have given them the impression it had a ground off Argentine national crest?


'91 Argentine Mauser with crest ground off and caliber stamped on.


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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Last post by Jack Trojan on Today at 01:32:47 AM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Today at 12:32:26 AM
What evidence is there for a second rifle being discovered?

Doesn't Weitzman's signed affidavit that he examined a Mauser on the 22nd give you the slightest bit of pause? Otherwise, why would you think he knew Mausers were 7.65 caliber and a Mauser held 5 rounds? He admitted that he was no expert. Do you really think that Weitzman was describing a rifle from another day or the MC?

If Weitzman was telling the truth (before he thought better of it) then there were 2 rifles found on the 22nd. In which case, the Mauser was not captured on film because Fritz pulled a switcheroo before Alyea started filming. Fritz seemed to be in control of what got documented and how to stage the crime scene before any film was shot.  For example, Fritz tampered with the crime scene by picking up the 3 hulls with his bare hands and put them in his pocket, then later staged an in situ photograph of the hulls in a more scattered (believable) arrangement by tossing them onto the floor so a rookie cop could take a photo of them. If he could do that, then what's the big deal about pulling a switcheroo with the rifle, if he had to because a DPD bumpkin stumbled onto the Mauser by mistake?

Otherwise, you have to believe the testimony of the conspirators that the 1st rifle found was the MC. Why you and Walt believe Fritz and Day is beyond me. Screw the film. Fritz staged that too. Alyea might have been oblivious to it all, but I doubt he would have been allowed to be there if Fritz didn't  have control over the narrative his film portrayed.

But since you are a LNer, you think the MC is THE 1 and only rifle, which Oswald used to kill the POTUS with a magic bullet and a wonky scope from the 6th floor of the TSBD. And definitely NOT with a Mauser! Walt thinks the whole Mauser story is insane BS but his crazy conspiracy theory is AOK.  Thumb1:
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 01:31:55 AM »
Quote from: Richard Smith on Today at 01:12:11 AM
If Dylan's name wasn't associated with it, the critics would have fallen down laughing at the childish lyrics.  But because Dylan wrote it, it must be genius.  Some guys don't know when to call it quits.

Some guys don't know when to call it quits.

Yeah, Richard Smith is one of them.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Bob Dylan - Murder Most Foul
« Last post by Richard Smith on Today at 01:12:11 AM »
If Dylan's name wasn't associated with it, the critics would have fallen down laughing at the childish lyrics.  But because Dylan wrote it, it must be genius.  Some guys don't know when to call it quits.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 12:32:26 AM »
Quote from: John Iacoletti on March 26, 2020, 04:17:54 PM
Maybe it actually happened.  You can't expect that the small amount of remaining Alyea footage captured everything that happened.
What evidence is there for a second rifle being discovered?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 12:02:20 AM »
Quote from: Gary Craig on March 27, 2020, 04:14:43 PM

"you'll notice the tool marks where some took a grinder to the top of the receivers on the top two rifles (it's easier to see on the second photo).  That's because the Argentine government required that their military rifles have the national crest removed from their surplus firearms before they could sold for export."

Yes, you're correct. Argentina started grinding their national crest off exported rifles in the 1930's.

https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

"Collectors in the U.S., though, often find the national crest ground off of Argentine 1891 Mausers. This was done in the aftermath of the Chaco War of 1935, which pitted Bolivia and Paraguay against one another in a vicious albeit brief struggle for control of South America’s resource-rich Chaco Boreal. Argentina provided Paraguay with a large number of Model 1891 Mausers during the conflict in a move that jeopardized its relationship with Bolivia. The presence of unground national crests made it impossible to deny Argentina’s direct support for Paraguay, so after the war Argentina instituted a law requiring the removal of the national crest from any gun leaving the country. Although the government in Buenos Aires later dropped this requirement, by then most of the Argentine 1891 Mausers had been ground, and this accounts for why it is rare to find one with the crest intact."

The "7.65 Mauser" was added decades after the rifles' manufacture. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed in reaction to RFK's assassination.  One of it's provisions was that imported firearms were required to have the caliber engraved on the weapon after 1968.

That doesn't mean 7.65 wasn't added to any exported rifles before 1968. Seems like it would be a natural to add it to the place where the national crest was was ground off the rifles.

 Also, since the majority of the Argentine '91 7.65 rifles imported into the US had the national crest ground off, and Boone and Weitzman were, according to you and most WC apologists, making a guess after a quick glance, could you show me the area on the TSBD Carcano where the crest was ground off that would have given them that impression?



Who said anything about a crest, ground off or not, on the rifle found in the TSBD? Do you even know what you're arguing, or why you're arguing it?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Last post by Mitch Todd on March 29, 2020, 11:56:35 PM »
Quote from: John Iacoletti on March 29, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
This seems really contrived to me. He described details that he didn’t actually see but invented them to match his assumption that he saw a Mauser? Why would anyone do that? He’s supposed to be describing what he saw.
It's simple syllogistic logic. If you know that Mausers hold 5 rounds, and you think that a rifle you see is a Mauser, then you are liable to that the "Mauser" hold five rounds.

Quote from: John Iacoletti on March 29, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
And who says that Weitzman’s Mauser fired a shot?
Who said that Weitzman or Boone or anyone else found a second rifle, separate from the Carcano seen in the Alyea film?
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General Discussion & Debate / Ed Forum & DPF posting activity: Accurate Inaccurate Emphasized Avoided Dropped
« Last post by Brian Doyle on March 29, 2020, 11:32:04 PM »
Quote from: Paul May on March 29, 2020, 09:08:07 PM
History is debated, not argued. You cannot support your position with fact. You revel in speculation and bias. That’s a fact. As stated previously I will no longer be drawn into this nonsense. Your reputation with this type of garbage is legendary. Good bye.

Wrong...

The explosive force of JFK's head exploding was captured on film and seen in the autopsy photos etc...A force that could expel the materials seen in Zapruder and do so with such strength to make the motorcycle cop think he had been stung by a bullet is one that could not possibly leave an above average weight intact brain in its wake...Nor could it cause Hill to say there was a huge void in the back of Kennedy's head where brain had vacated...That void alone could not result in an intact above average weight brain remaining and I think the intact brain had the occipital area where Hill saw that void intact as well and not possessing Hill's large void...These are facts that you have made excuses for and not answered...All these facts back up O'Connor and show he was telling the truth...

They got rid of the brain just like they got rid of Oswald because any credible follow-through that produced the evidence you demand would have proven conspiracy and cover-up...
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on March 29, 2020, 11:26:40 PM »
Trump ignored advice to tell country the coronavirus pandemic was ‘bad and could get very worse’ in early March: report

According to a day-by-day examination of the White House efforts to get up to speed on dealing with the growing coronavirus pandemic that has now brought the country to an almost complete standstill, Politico reports that Donald Trump was advised in early March to warn the public things were about to get worse and chose to ignore that advice.

The report notes that the final realization about the dangerous spread of COVID-19 preceded the president’s rare prime time address to the nation.

“In early March, the president and his team recognized the writing on the wall, besieged by concerns from allies across the country. There were now over 1,000 cases in the U.S. The World Health Organization declared a pandemic. The stock market plummeted, even halting trading for 15 minutes on March 9 to avoid a market-crashing slide,” Politico reports. “Trump and his team scrambled to address the nation’s concerns in an Oval Office address — only the second one Trump had ever made.”

According to the report, one White House adviser stated at the time, “If tonight isn’t Trump saying, ‘This is bad and could get very worse, you need to take every precaution necessary,’ then he can kiss a second term goodbye.”

However, the president ignored that advice, with Politico noting, “Instead, the president, in hastily arranged remarks, said he was barring all travel from Europe and promised that health insurers had agreed to cover all coronavirus treatments. Investors panicked — would necessary cargo still be allowed to come into the U.S.? Insurers were taken aback — they had only agreed to cover coronavirus tests, not all treatment.”

The report goes on to state that the White House then had to scramble to clarify the president’s remarks as the stock market lurched into another decline.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-ignored-advice-to-tell-country-the-coronavirus-pandemic-was-bad-and-could-get-very-worse-in-early-march-report/

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/inside-the-white-house-coronavirus-response-153058
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