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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Last post by Jerry Freeman on Today at 04:38:02 PM »
Are we still discussing a bullet that appears to have no visible damage?Oh, so you were discussing a bullet that had no visible damage. My bad, all along I thought the discussion was about CE 399@Newbies: You'll never see any CTer post this image
 
 If you fire a bullet [even though it is through the vacant head of the strawman that made reply #204] it will certainly cause explosive damage to the base. Something called a PRIMER  ::) If you fire it through a real live body it will be seriously damaged. Go find a bullet that wasn't. I guess Chappo assumes that [newbies] are automatically idiots and do not know this.
   
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Last post by Walt Cakebread on Today at 04:21:32 PM »
        That photo of CE 399 does Not display roughly 90% of the bullet. This is right in line with the JFK Autopsy Photo where a Dr is pulling JFK's hair Up & Over the Entire Back of his Head. Like the audience viewing a David Copperfield performance, this chicanery prompts everyone to ask themselves, "Just What is this guy trying to hide?"

Hi Royell.... It's funny that it never registered with my reasoning that there are probably some folks who wouldn't know that the photo is the END VIEW of a projectile and therefore they might believe that the photo shows a badly damaged bullet....

It seems bizarre to me .....But after reading the posts of some members of the forum......I guess it's possible.
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General Discussion & Debate / Prayer Woman
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 04:08:35 PM »
A few posts back Alan Ford got reckless and finally admitted that Lovelady was over against the west wall of the portal in the Hughes film...You can see Lovelady in his reddish shirt and white T-shirt over there...Lovelady placed himself in that precise spot in his 1964 FBI statement where he said he was "over against the west wall of the entranceway when the limousine went by the Depository"...

In that same statement Lovelady said Shelley and Sarah Stanton were "next to me"...

In his post Alan got reckless and admitted that the man in the reddish shirt was Lovelady...Alan also added that Shelley could be seen to his left...

Alan is so used to his wacky and wild posting, that doesn't pay attention to critical details, that he didn't realize he had just made the same argument I have been making that he refused to acknowledge...If Lovelady is seen against the west wall in Hughes, and Shelley is next to him to his left, as he described in his 1964 FBI interview, then that means the only remaining spot for Stanton is Prayer Man...

The Prayer Man people have destroyed the credibility of the research community because you can post this damning proof of even the Prayer Man people slipping-up and indirectly admitting Prayer Man was Stanton and it gets no reaction...They ignore it and the rest of the community turns-in its credibility by allowing them because this is no longer a fact and evidence-based issue...It is now a cult religion issue where arguments and evidence don't matter for the Prayer Man side who are now infallible under their cult leader Jim D and his really-convincing demagoguery posing as research where Jim is allowed to ignore all the damning evidence of the opposition while making his oh so sincere pleadings for Bart Kamp and his rotten case...

Alan is so crazy that he repeated my evidence exactly and didn't even notice...When I brought it to his attention he ignored it and no one called him on it...Alan is free to post his insanity free of any checks and balances because Alan is arguing for the Bart Kamp-led Prayer Man cult that will solve any assassination problems just by believing in Jim D and his circus tent preaching...

It is ironic that Cinque and Fetzer got their victory...Only not the way they expected...And they got it through Jim DiEugenio and the rest of the community that decided their internet cliques and website power were more important than good research...



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General Discussion & Debate / Prayer Woman
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 03:38:55 PM »
This makes no sense. Why would the FBI be relieved that a figure in the doorway at the time of the Presidential Parade was not Mr Oswald? I mean, not even Oswald himself was claiming to have gone outside to watch the Presidential Parade!

Did these FBI guys never talk to one another? Agent Hosty could have set their minds at ease in a trice and saved them all this Lovelady bother! 'Don't worry, boys, Oswald says he was in the lunchroom. Look, here's my notes from the interrogation.'

 :D


Because nuts with lacking research skill were calling Lovelady Oswald because of a vague resemblance at a distance...After Doorway Man was proven to be Lovelady a new group of nuts sprang up who were calling Sarah Stanton Oswald one person over from Lovelady...

"In a trice" is a British expression - so it makes me wonder who Alan Ford is and what website he is penetrating this board for?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 03:35:23 PM »
Are we still discussing a bullet that appears to have no visible damage?

Oh, so you were discussing a bullet that had no visible damage.
My bad, all along I thought the discussion was about CE 399

@Newbies: You'll never see any CTer post this image



        That photo of CE 399 does Not display roughly 90% of the bullet. This is right in line with the JFK Autopsy Photo where a Dr is pulling JFK's hair Up & Over the Entire Back of his Head. Like the audience viewing a David Copperfield performance, this chicanery prompts everyone to ask themselves, "Just What is this guy trying to hide?"
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Colin Crow: I came across this from a poster "Raymond"on the AAJU forum relating to Tippit's presence in Oak Cliff.....  From "Reasonable Doubt" by Henry Hurt:     "The Warren Commission continued to struggle with the problem throughout the spring. It heard testimony from three supervisors from the  Dallas Police Dept. who tried to explain why Tippit was in the wrong place. The reasons were purely speculative, vaguely suggesting the demonstrably absurd possibility that Tippit was heading for Dealey Plaza four miles away to be of assistance there. During this testimony, there never was any reference to the possibility that Tippit might have been ordered to central Oak Cliff by the radio dispatcher. And, of course, the three supervisors were quite aware of the intense effort being made to find an answer to the riddle.   "The mystery remained unsolved until finally, in the spring, the WC requested and received a verbatim transcript - not one edited to include only transmissions related to Kennedy and Tippit. The Commission hoped that such a transcript might yield the elusive answer.    " It must have been a stunning revelation for the commission to discover that the new transcripts contained, at least, the badly needed answer to the puzzle. According to the transcript - and supported by the actual tape-there was an order given to Tippit at 12:45 p.m., an inexplicable instruction believed to be unique in the  Dallas Police Dept., it also had not been in the first transcript. Moreover, none of the police supervisors who testified earlier indicated that they knew anything about it. " (Hurt, p.160)    The first transcript submitted to the WC was SAWYER EXHIBIT A. There is no recognizable mention of Tippit or an order to "move into the Oak Cliff area."    The second transcript submitted , the 12:45 order directing him  Oak Cliff was CE 705. It simply says: " 87-78  move into Central Oak Cliff." There is no response by either officer." Do we have a dyslexic dispatcher here? Evidence suggests that dyslexia results from differences in how the brain processes written and/or spoken  language.    The strange thing about the order is that Officer R.C. Nelson, No 87, is also instructed to move into Central Oak Cliff along with Tippit. Why  would these two policemen be singled out to patrol a district that was already being patrolled by Officer Wm. D. Mentzel.    Also strange about the dispatch; neither officer responded to the dispatcher that they heard the order.  The next time Nelson is heard from is at 12:52 when he signaled the dispatcher and informed him that he is " Out down here." At 1:22 Nelson again reports that he is at Elm and Houston, the site of the assassination.    In 1984, Henry Hurt interviewed R.C. Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana, Texas, where Nelson was then in private business. Nelson told the author that he had waited a long time to tell his story for the public record, but not without payment.    When Hurt asked Nelson: "Did you hear the dispatcher's order telling you to go there ?" Nelson replied, "I'm not sure what you mean. I had rather not talk about that." He then told Hurt that he considered that to be part of the story he was willing to negotiate. Hurt never did get an answer. He was not willing to pay Nelson. ( HURT, pp.  161-62-63)    Sgt. Calvin Owens, J.D.'s supervisor for ten years was no help in explaining the officer's movements. Owens , who was in his car at 12:45, when the order was allegedly given, did not know that Tippit had been moved. He was surprised to learn that J.D.was in District 91 and went there when the officer was shot. At 1:33 Owens contacted the dispatcher and asked him :" Do you know what kind of a call he was on?" The dispatcher answered "What kind of what?" Owens asked, "Was he on a call or anything?"  The dispatcher answered, "NO."   The only reasonable answer to the tape discrepancies is that the tapes were altered to place Tippit in the district where he died without admitting his reason for being there.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Last post by Steve Howsley on Today at 11:21:56 AM »
Unfortunately many of the loons and kooks have gotten their impression of how a trial would have played out from the 1992 fantasy book by Walt Brown "The People Vs. Lee Harvey Oswald"    .......   Evidence and proof are casually thrown out like the Big Mac wrappers at a Trump state dinner.

Jerry, That is Champagne Comedy!!     Thumb1: Thumb1: Thumb1:
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It is claimed that around the time the shots were ringing out in DP, Officer Mentzel, who was assigned the Oak Cilff patrol decided to go to lunch. Apparently dining at a cafe at 430 W. Jefferson. He claims not to have been aware of the President's shooting until 1.07pm when he returned to his car. There are a few individuals whose actions are strange at about the time JFK passed through DP and in the half hour or so after. Oswald (and a few other TSBD employees), Tippit and Mentzel is another. Even if we allow for the fact that he most likely requested a lunch break before the shots, (can anyone imagine asking for a lunch break over the radio just after this event!!!). He is supposed to have gone to a cafe........at 430 W Jefferson. Until now I had no idea how close this is to the other key locations involving Oswald's escape. Remember Tippit visited the Top Ten Record store sometime shortly before 1pm. This is only a block from Mentzel's Cafe!!.

Another point.....does it make sense to anyone that an officer would be in a cafe for nearly 40 minutes  and be totally unaware of the assassination? Pure BS in my view. Scogging went to a club and knew all about the shooting before Oswald shot Tippit. Why would an officer on lunch, in a cafe, when hearing of the shooting not report in immediately? Of course he would. Unless he was waiting for someone. In my view Mentzel and Tippit's actions are highly suspicious. Just using common sense and all.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 10:40:03 AM »
The bullet that Tomlinson found was on an unrelated stretcher and had a pointed tip.

How is this a "well established principle of law"?

If each piece of evidence individually doesn't meet a reasonable doubt standard, then how could they possibly meet it when combined?

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399/Item%2006.pdf
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Which cop gets the credit?
« Last post by Denis Pointing on Today at 10:33:42 AM »
It is stated in the above post that Ray Hawkins arrested Lee Harvey Oswald.
However for some reason most all the department credit McDonald for the collar.
Mr Hawkins name is not on the arrest sheet.
 
 


Maybe he grabbed McDonald's cuffs and neglected to return them.
As the report was filled out, the charge of investigation the killing of President Kennedy was included..
 Also the assault on Gov Connally. The time of arrest was listed at 1:40 PM.
Those cops were really fast huh?


Jerry, as far as I'm aware McDonald never claimed to be the officer that actually handcuffed Oswald, he certainly doesn't say that in the vid you posted, only that the cuffs were his. In fact, in McDonald's WC testimony he states clearly that; " Well, the officers that had come to my aid started handcuffing him and taking him out of the theater." Which ties in exactly with officer Hawkins' WC testimony. However, both testimony's do make it quite clear that McDonald was definitely the arresting officer.
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