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Perhaps Oswald used his other hand to balance/hold the package (with the rifle) in front of him? Then the bag/rifle could be slanted a little, so the tip was closer to the center of Oswald's body. The tip of the package would then not be visible from behind. It is a bulky package for Oswald to carry with only one arm with the top apparently not sealed (credit to Colin Crowe there). Dan Rather's bag is sealed at both ends making it much easier to carry with one arm.

Ever considered the possibility that Dan Rather's bag does not actually resemble the bag Oswald carried?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Prayer Woman
« Last post by Thomas Graves on Today at 10:19:07 PM »
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Duncan,

At first glance (pardon the pun), I find that movement of Frazier's head to his right in the clip quite compelling.

-- MWT  ;)

Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized that Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Ray Mitcham on Today at 09:37:27 PM »
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It doesn't say a screwdriver is necessary to remove the bolt.- Learn to read correctly, Chappers.
>>> Learn to write correctly, Ray: Don't include an item that doesn't qualify to be included on your 'Hardly a simple operation especially without a screwdriver' list. It gives an alert observer the distinct impression of a padding attempt.
Who said anywhere at the start that a screwdriver was required? When it was, I noted it. I was describing what was required to break the rifle down to its least components.  Your comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.
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The top wooden barrel cover won't come off until the bayonet lug and the front sling holder are removed by a screwdriver. You have to unscrew the front sling holder after the bayonet lug again with a screwdriver.
>>> You kept part of that a secret, thus one did not get a sense of how many screws in total would be involved in this partial break-down.
Once again your comprehension lets you down. I didn't keep anything "secret". I described how to dismantle the rifle, in several steps. I'm sorry I didn't mention exactly how many screws were necessary to be removed.
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No, but maybe you know your own tricks best, Chappers.
>>> Point out where I've padded any of my posts, Ray.
Once again. note. I didn't say you did, but insinuated the you might. Not very good at this are you?
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When composing the stabilized GIF in reply #4, I saw something I've not noticed before. At 18 frames in the full Hughes clip, Camera Car #3 is smoothly ending its turn to Houston street but then abruptly takes a jump forward of about 3 feet in just 1 frame. This is about 3 times faster than the film's rate. At a frame rate of 18.3 fps (Dale Myers} each frame clocks about 55 ms. A car speed of 10 mph would advance 14-15 ft per second (0.8 ft per frame), or 3 feet in 206 ms. At 5 mph the interval is still less than half a second.

Basically, the film is missing 3-4 frames during this forward jump, which would be typical of a simple frame splice. But here is the rub. There is no splice bracketing this event. A careful analysis of the scene frames, as well as for 20 or more scenes filmed by Hughes, shows a startup frame (first frame overexposure) for the first frame following the jump. Meaning Hughes released and then enabled the shutter in the blink of an eye. Intentional, or reflexive actions? The head turns noted by Charles Collins of  Atkins and his left side passenger in Camera Car#1 follow by about 1 second.

James

James, the more I considered this, the more convinced I am that the fraction of a second stop/start of Hughes' camera is highly unusual and therefore it could be a startle reaction to the sound of the first shot. So I want to thank you again for your post. I checked Dale Meyers' synchronization report of the films and he reports that there are six frames missing due to this stop/start. There are other items of evidence to support this theory. The image below will illustrate some of what I am going to write:



The Tina Towner film ends just barely before the Hughes Film split-second break. Tina has said that the first shot occured just after she stopped filming. At essentially the same time as the Hughes film split second break, the Dorman film shows one extremely blurred frame (which I believe indicates a sudden jerk (startle reaction) before stopping for 49 frames.

Here is a photo of the camera car #1 occupants by Jay Skaggs as they round the corner of Main and Houston:



Notice that Thomas Atkins (right rear) is standing up as the car rounds the turn. And if you look carefully, you can see what appears to be his wristwatch under his left arm jacket sleeve. Apparently, he has just sat back down by the time he appears in the Hughes film clip. So my focus has shifted to the very first part of the Hughes film clip (before the split-second break). His posture appears that he could be lowering his head to look at his watch (the right elbow extends outward, which would be consistent with this theory). But I couldn't say conclusively that he is looking at his watch. So again I request others to take a look and give their opinions.

Other evidence that supports this early first shot timing includes Howard Brennan's affidavit of 11/22/63 that states JFK's back was inline with the last window (west) of the south side of the TSBD when the first shot sounded. And the interesting work of Max Holland, which is described in this well written article by Kenneth R. Scearce:

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The above article includes some well done clips of the Zapruder film.

This Willis Lamm article is interesting also:

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It doesn't say a screwdriver is necessary to remove the bolt.- Learn to read correctly, Chappers.
>>> Learn to write correctly, Ray: Don't include an item that doesn't qualify to be included on your 'Hardly a simple operation especially without a screwdriver' list. It gives an alert observer the distinct impression of a padding attempt.

The top wooden barrel cover won't come off until the bayonet lug and the front sling holder are removed by a screwdriver. You have to unscrew the front sling holder after the bayonet lug again with a screwdriver.
>>> You kept part of that a secret, thus one does not get a down-to-the-last-screw count total.

No, but maybe you know your own tricks best, Chappers.
>>> Point out where I've padded any of my posts, Ray.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Prayer Woman
« Last post by Thomas Graves on Today at 09:12:29 PM »
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Frazier's comment and head motion illustration appears to indicate that Sarah Stanton was standing In the shadows, and standing to his right.


At first glance (pardon the fun), I find that rather compelling.

-- MWT  ;)

Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized that Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.


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Scully,

Point being?

-- MWT  ;)

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....[Verse 3]
Have you come here for forgiveness?
Have you come to raise the dead?
Have you come here to play Jesus
To the lepers in your head?

[Chorus 3]
Did I ask too much? More than a lot
You gave me nothing, now it's all I got

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NICK SCHOU | POSTED ONJULY 12, 2001

The CIA has always denied it used drug traffickers to raise cash for Ronald Reagan's 1980s war against the Nicaraguan Sandinista government. But FBI documents recently released to the OC Weekly show that a former top agency official met throughout that period with Ronald J. Lister, an ex-Laguna Beach cop who claimed to be the CIA's link between the South American cocaine trade, the Nicaraguan contras and LA's most notorious drug trafficker.

The FBI documents, five heavily censored pages released in response to the Weekly's 1997 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the CIA, concern Lister and William Earl Nelson, a vice president for security with the Irvine-based construction giant Fluor Corp. Nelson's previous job: deputy director of operations for the CIA. Nelson retired from the CIA in 1976 amid heated controversy over its ill-fated forays into Chile and Angola—clandestine operations that Nelson supervised from his office at the CIA's Langley, Virginia, headquarters.

Lister's relationship with the Fluor executive began in 1978. How they met isn't clear, thanks to government censors. But the documents do show that Nelson told FBI agents he met with Lister three to four times per year until 1985 and discussed various business ventures, including one in Central America.

It's unclear from the documents what became of that project—FBI censors blocked out the details, arguing that revealing them might compromise U.S. national security. But independent sources suggest the deal probably involved Lister's mysteriously well-connected security company, Newport Beach-based Pyramid International Security Consultants Inc......
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Someone, please tell Thomas that the mud he's been 'wrassling' in is actually BS. 

The KGB and the DGI were humanitarian organizations!

And, and, and ... Khrushchev and Castro had no reason to want charasmatic anti-communist Kennedy dead, or for LBJ to take his place to ... to ... to ... Hasten The Dialectics!

LOL

-- MWT  ;)

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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Prayer Woman
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Today at 07:05:42 PM »
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You'll never see a serious researcher post something like this in response to clearly shown valid evidence...

The researcher who posted this in response to Duncan's video is endorsed by DiEugenio and given permanent posting privileges on the other forum...
Tell the Larry Grayson doppleganger to " Shut that door"


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General Discussion & Debate / Prayer Woman
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 06:50:35 PM »
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You'll never see a serious researcher post something like this in response to clearly shown valid evidence...

The researcher who posted this in response to Duncan's video is endorsed by DiEugenio and given permanent posting privileges on the other forum...

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