JFK Assassination Forum

It's obvious to me that Tunheim is not that well versed on some issues or he believes too many conspiracy writers.

No one on the committee was able to challenge him. Or wanted to. Can't expect them to know the details of this but that's why they have staffers. Or why the hearings should have someone on the panel like Fred or Max Holland, Posner et al. to challenge claims. This is all one-sided. And why they allowed Dr. Curtis to give his second (third? fourth?) hand account of the shooting is another problem. Maybe worse than Tunheim's testimony. Curtis wasn't saying anything about the shooting that he knew firsthand; it seemed to be entirely from things he read or heard from others.

Things like this remind me of Liebeler's complaint about debating Mark Lane: "Lane will talk for 15 minutes and it takes you four hours to correct his claims." That's always been the problem with conspiracists of any variety but especially JFK assassination types. You are always having to chase after them.

Huh?

In a court filing, Nelson of the CIA said Joannides was "serving undercover" during his HSCA tenure. Was he really or was it her interpretation of something she read? I don't know.

Officer Luke Mooney is known for having discovered the TSBD 6th Floor Sniper's Nest. But Officer Mooney also gave WC Testimony verifying that the Huge Gates attached to the TSBD were "Wide Open", and that He/Mooney walked through those "Wide Open" Gates and then entered into the TSBD very close to the stairwell. Mooney also gave WC Testimony of engaging a civilian stranger just outside of those same "Wide Open" gates. Could this "citizen" have been a shooter/spotter that just exited the TSBD?
 

                                                           -  Officer Luke Mooney WC Testimony -


          Attorney Ball  - "Why did you go over to the railroad yard?"

          Luke Mooney -  "Well, that was - from the echo of the shots, we thought they came from that direction."

          Attorney Ball -  "That would be North and West of where you were standing?"

          Luke Mooney -  "Yes, sir."  "We were there only a few seconds until we had orders to cover the Texas Depository Building."

          Attorney Ball -  "Where did you go?"

          Luke Mooney -  "Mr Webster and Mr Vickery were there with me when we received the orders from another deputy."

          Attorney Ball -  "They are deputy sheriffs?"

          Luke Mooney -  "Yes, sir. They were plain clothes officers like myself, work in the same department, and we run right over to the building then, which we were only 150, 200 feet back, I assume it                   
                                   is that distance I haven't measured it. It didn't take us but a few seconds to get there. When we hit the rear part, these Big Iron Gates, they have cyclone fencing on them, this
                                   used to be an old grocery store warehouse, Sachs and Co. I believe is correct. And I says let's get these Doors Closed to block off this rear entrance."

          Attorney Ball -  "Were the doors Open?"

          Luke Mooney -  "They were WIDE OPEN, the Big Gates. So I grabbed one, and we swung them to, and there was a Citizen there, and I put him on orders to keep them shut, because I don't recall
                                   whether there was a lock on them or not. Didn't want to lock them, because you never know what might happen. So he stood guard I assume, until a uniformed officer took over.
                                   We shut the back door-- there was a back door on a little dock. And then we went in through the docks, through the rear entrance. Officer Vickery and Webster said, "We will take
                                   the Staircase there in the corner". I said, "I will take the freight elevator".

               
The WC Testimony of Officer Luke Mooney confirms that the HUGE GATES were "Wide Open" as Mooney put it. This is what we see on the TOWNER FILM as the JFK Limo is turning from Houston St onto Elm St. Where those Huge Gates should be is nothing but a Large Black Space on the Towner Film. This is because those Huge Gates opened Inward. Those Gates are in the inward/open position on the Towner Film. Those Huge Gates can be seen to still be pushed Inward/Open on the COUCH FILM. The Huge Gates being Open is even more evident when viewing a Couch Film "Reverse Negative". Officer Mooney also makes it clear that the Huge Gates led to direct access to the TSBD 1st Floor and the Stairwell. Mooney may have put a fox in charge of the hen house when he put that "citizen" that was standing just outside of the Huge Gates in charge of making sure that nobody entered or exited through those Huge Gates. Who knows? What we do know for a Fact is that those Huge Gates were "WIDE OPEN" and the TSBD was Unsecure for an extended period of time Before, During, and After the Kill Shot. Those "Wide Open" Huge Gates are a Huge Hole in the JFK Assassination Investigation. Huge!

BFD.

(Pardon my German.)

" . . .  Joannides being involved in a covert operation for the HSCA . . . "

Huh?

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/luna-s-ridiculous-hearing

Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
 
I must be a glutton for punishment. I watched the complete two hours+ of the Luna hearing and I thought my brain would explode. I don't know what was worse - the silly testimony of the witnesses or the brainless questions of the committee members.

Given his status, Judge Tunheim's comments were particularly awful. Gosh, what is he thinking here?

Here's probably the worst part: "The FBI was following him [i.e., Oswald] in Dallas because he was a suspect in another shooting. All of this suggests that they had a lot of contact with him ahead of time, and the -- I don't know what that suggests, other than the fact that they wanted to cover that up, the fact that they knew a lot about him ahead of time and didn't do much about it."

A "suspect in another shooting?" The Walker attempt? "Suggests that they had a lot of contact with him"? Why is he saying this? There's no evidence at all that they suspected him in that shooting. Or any shooting. Hosty never mentioned anything about it and he would have known. As I argued before, I don't see any evidence at all that the FBI had a "lot of contact with him" in Dallas. Or much contact at all.

Hosty, the sole agent assigned to monitor him (and Marina) at that time, testified that he had no contact with Oswald at all from November 5 to the assassination. In fact, he said he never met Oswald at all before the assassination. That's from October 3, when Oswald arrived in Dallas from Mexico City, to the assassination. Plus he said he had 25-40 other cases he was dealing with. One agent, 40 cases. Moreover, from that October 3 date to the assassination Hosty said he had *no idea* where he lived during the week. And of course Hoover punished 17 agents due to their failure to keep track of Oswald. So this "lot of contact" claim by Tunheim is just wrong.

From Hosty's WC testimony:

Mr. STERN. Putting that aside for the moment, what was your evaluation of Lee Harvey Oswald based on the work that you had done and the reports that you had made, the information you gathered early in November?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, there were many questions to be resolved. I was quite interested in determining the nature of his contact with the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. I had not resolved that on the 22d of November. We were still waiting to resolve that. Prior to that, I mean that would be the only thing----
Mr. STERN. What had you planned to do after November 5 about this case?
Mr. HOSTY. Well as I had previously stated, I have between 25 and 40 cases assigned to me at any one time. I had other matters to take care of. I had now established that Lee Oswald was not employed in a sensitive industry. I can now afford to wait until New Orleans forwarded the necessary papers to me to show me I now had all the information. It was then my plan to interview Marina Oswald in detail concerning both herself and her husband's background.
Mr. STERN. Had you planned any steps beyond that point?
Mr. HOSTY. No. I would have to wait until I had talked to Marina to see what I could determine, and from there I could make my plans.
Mr. STERN. Did you take any action on this case. between November 5 and November 22?
Mr. HOSTY. No, sir.

And again, Hosty never mentions anything about Oswald being a suspect in a shooting. That's not only not a "lot of contact", that's no contact at all.