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Tom,

According to the Dispatch tapes, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
At 1:44, Patrolaman 79, B.N. Anglin radios in:

79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin) "I'm here at 19's location. Any message for him?"

The Dispatcher replies: "10-4. We have information that a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson. Supposed to be hiding in the balcony."

In other words, the Dispatcher is asking Anglin to relay that information to Sergeant C.B. Owens, but there is no indication of where that information came from. In fact, just prior to that, at 1:44, #87, Patrolman R.C. Nelson had radioed in and asked where the suspect's last known location was.
87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) What was the last location anybody had on that suspect out here in Oak Cliff?
The Dispatcher relied, Running north on Patton.
Wherever the Dispatcher got the information about the Theater, it didn't come from the police radio bands. Was it Julia Postal's telephone call?

Steve Thomas

FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS
TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/25/63


-snip-

"In an article written for the Associated Press by Dallas policeman
M.N. McDonald and printed in this paper, he states: "I was cruising
towards Oak Cliff, across the river (Trinity that splits Dallas almost
in half). I got a call about 1:30 p.m. The radio dispatcher, G.D.
Henslee, first told me to check the alleys. The next tip was that a
guy that fitted the description they were giving was in a branch
library out in Oak Cliff. This didn't take long to be a phoney. The
next one said a man acting funny was holed up in the balcony of the
Texas Theater. I headed that way in a hurry. The cashier at the
picture show was the one who called in to say this guy was acting
supicious and hidden out in the balcony."


-snip-


ASSINATION Or PRESIDENT KENNEDY
Officer Buddy Walther, Deputy Sheriff Dallas County Sheriff's Office

(Investigating officer most sign)
Date Nov 22, 1963

-snip-

"...we started towards 10th Street, where the police officer had
been killed in an effort to obtain further information and then received
radio information from Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson, who was also in the
Oak Cliff area, that the suspect was in the balcony of the Texas Theatre
on West Jefferson.  We arrived at this location within a few seconds
and were met by many other officers. Upon proceeding to the balcony
of the theatre, I ordered the manager to turn on the house lights . Some
unknown officer was holding a white man at the steps of the balcony and
I proceeded on into the balcony. I looked over the balcony and saw a
commotion in the center section, near the back, in the downstairs of the
theatre, and I hollered to other officers, "He's downstairs" ., and we
all ran down the steps and to the area of the commotion. When I reached..."


-snip-

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Are you saying that Americans lack the courage of Russians?

Why are there monuments to Hoover and LBJ in the US?   ....But no monuments to Lenin or Stalin in Russia? ..or  Hitler in Germany... or  Saddam Hussein in Iraq

The Russians faced the facts that Stalin was simply a brutal mass murderer and removed any monument.... Do we Americans lack the brains and guts to face reality?

The government is never going to run an honest investigation. I don't think they know how to.
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This is from my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" series and deals with the mythical roll call.

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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was noticed missing by a "roll call" taken soon after the shots had been fired of Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) employees to see who was missing from the building.  Why this would have been done is anyone's guess as they had no way of knowing if someone "not present" was simply still outside or not. 

Many of the employees went outside to watch the motorcade and should have been prevented from reentering the building due to the suspicion of gunshots originating from there.  This did NOT happen though.  Many employees found easy access to the building after the shots were fired and for some time afterwards.  Why?  Why would you let people back into a building were you think shots came from and where they may be an assassin or assassins in it still?

It was noted on page 156 of the WC Report (WCR) that, "Special Agent Forrest V. Sorrels of the Secret Service, who had been in the motorcade, testified that after driving to Parkland Hospital, he returned to the Depository Building about 20 minutes after the shooting, found NO police officers at the rear door and was able to ENTER through this door WITHOUT identifying himself." (Emphasis mine)  So we see by 12:53 or 12:55 p.m. the building was still NOT secure. 

Wouldn't it seem obvious that a shooter, or shooters, would pick the REAR DOOR to leave by since this provided more cover for an escape? It does to me, but obviously NOT the Dallas Police Department (DPD). The WCR even says on page 155 "While it is difficult to determine EXACTLY when the police sealed off the building, the earliest estimates would still have permitted Oswald to leave the building by 12:33 p.m." (Emphasis mine)

Why is it so hard to determine when the building was sealed off? Isn't this standard procedure for crimes?  I would think so.

Where did the idea of a "roll call" come from?  It came from a Capt. Pat Gannaway who ran a department inside the DPD called "Special Services Bureau".  One can only imagine what "special services" it provided to those in need.  As Ian Griggs noted in his article No Case to Answer Ian Griggs (JFK Lancer, 2005) A Retired English Detective's Essays and Articles on the JFK Assassination (1993-2005, p 3-4) that at the time of the JFK assassination this groups biggest "bust" was the arrest of the stripper "Candy Barr" for possession of an OUNCE of marijuana in 1957!  Wow!  Now that is some police work, huh?

Here is the background on the "roll call" myth (and many will say LIE).


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Capt. W.P. Gannaway said LHO's description was broadcasted because he was the ONLY one missing from a "roll call" of TSBD employees shortly after the assassination. Gannaway said "he was the ONLY one who didn't show up and couldn't be accounted for. (Dallas Morning News 11/23/63) Whether he got this information from Truly or not is up in the air, but more importantly is the accuracy of it.

Here is what Truly testified to.



Mr. BELIN. Then what?

Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes--it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that--I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys.

So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there. First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell--I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.

Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom?

Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no.

So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not. He said, "What do you think"? And I got to thinking. He said, "Well, we better do it anyway." It was so quick after that.

So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.

NO wonder the DPD invented the myth of a roll call, huh? NO wonder WC defenders to this day continue to keep this myth alive, huh?  This is quite illuminating, isn't it? We are to believe that just minutes after a traumatic event and with 70 plus employees Truly just happens to notice LHO is missing from looking around?  This stretches the concept of reasonable for me.  Why would he even be THINKING of LHO at this moment? To me this is key piece of information for showing us a CONSPIRACY took place as it seems Truly deliberately reported LHO.  He said a few others were missing, but I gather from the testimony that ONLY LHO warranted an emergency call to report him missing. How do I know this, well this is next.

Mr. BELIN. Did you ask for the name and addresses of any other employees who might have been missing?

Mr. TRULY. No, sir.

Why didn't he ask for other employee names and addresses? This is a good one!

Mr. BELIN. Why didn't you ask for any other employees?

Mr. TRULY. That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing.

Sure.  Out of all the employees in the building he is ONLY sure LHO is missing with NO roll call!  Good one.  I have news for Roy Truly -- these people were MISSING too!

1) 75 employees worked in the building on 11/22/63 (based on the names given to them by Truly). (XXII, pp.632-86)
2) 48 were OUTSIDE at 12:30 PM. (Ibid)
3) 5 did NOT report for work that day.(Ibid, pp. 632 & 676)
4) Many of the remaining employees in the building left after the shots had been fired and ceased work. (Ibid, pp. 632, 645, 655-656, 665)

As for point 4, these are the people who did NOT return for work!

Jack Charles Cason President of School Book Depository left building at 12:10 p.m. and went home (22H 640)
Gloria Jean Holt clerk at TSBD does not return after shooting. (19H 526 & 22H 652)
Sharon Simmons Nelson, Secretary, does not return after shooting. (Ibid)
Bonnie Richey, Secretary, does not return after the shooting. (22H 671)
Carolyn Arnold does not return after shooting. (22H 635)
Mrs. Donald Baker, Clerk, does not return after shooting. (22H 635)
Judy Marie Johnson does not return after shooting. (22H 256)
Ms. Stella Mae Jacob does not return after shooting. (22H 665)
Charles Givens does not return after the shooting and an APB was issued for him.
Virginia H. Brnum McGraw-Hill employee, does not return after shooting. (22H 636)
Vida Lee Whately Clerk, does not return after shooting. (22H 680)
Warren Caster, ate lunch in Denton. (22H 641 & 26H 738)
Spaudlin Pud Jones, eating lunch at Blue Front with Herbert. (22H 658)
Herbert L. Junker McMillian employee, (22H 659)
Mrs. Helen Palmer, Clerk, not present as she was at Love Field. (22H 659)
Franklin Kaiser absent from work on 11/22/63.  (6H 342  & 23H 751)

So we see quite a number of people did NOT return to work after the shooting.  So why did Truly immediately focus on LHO alone?  I think you can answer that one for yourselves.  These folks were ABSENT from the building and unless you knew them how would you know they did NOT return after shooting? YOU wouldn't.

Vickie Davis, employee, was absent.
Dottie Lovelady, employee, was absent.
Mrs. Rudell Parsons, employee, was absent.
Joe Bergen, Scott Foreman, was absent.
Maury Brown, McGraw-Hill, was absent.
John Langston, was absent.

LHO wasn't even the only one missing among the ones who worked on the sixth floor that day as it was said that LHO was NOT "the only one who didn't show up and COULDN'T be accounted for." (VI, p. 321)

We can clearly see the claim of a roll call being taken to ID LHO as the "only one missing" is an outright LIE as the evidence does NOT support this claim in the least.  Furthermore, we see why it was invented -- to cover the SUSPICIOUS way Roy Truly honed in on LHO immediately as being the ONLY one missing.  This speaks volumes for me. WC defenders keep claiming there is NO evidence of conspiracy, but how can you ignore this?  This is but one item that shows LHO was the designated fall guy to me.

Once again we see evidence that disputes the claims of the WCR, thus, the WCs conclusion is sunk again.
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Is Burrough's the only witness to have claimed to have seen two different people arrested? Thanks

Matt,

See the account of Bernard Haire in the Dealey Plaza Echo, Volume 17, Issue 2 pp. 18-19 here:
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And all these people immediately left the Dealey Plaza area, as one would expect an assassin to likely do? No.

Im not interested in people who left the building to try to find out what happened and then decided to return inside. Nor in people who were not present in the building that day. Only in people who were present at the time of the shooting, not with others, left the building, and left the Dealey Plaza area, about as soon as possible. And only one person fits the bill.



And its natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, its natural for him to think of Oswald. The worst-case scenario would be if the assassin turned out to be the one man he vouched for, causing a policeman who had drawn a gun on him to let him go. If the assassin turned out to be, lets say Lovelady, Roy Truly would not be in nearly such hot water.

its natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, its natural for him to think of Oswald.

its natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald.

Roy Truly had obviously dismissed Lee as a suspect at the time he and Baker encountered Lee in the Lunchroom, because according to the official tale Roy Truly vouched for Lee and that's he reason Baker turned on his heel and left Lee holding a coke in the lunchroom.   

As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, its natural for him to think of Oswald.

Really??...  So you are proposing that at the time Baker told him that he wanted to go to the roof of the building Truly thought of Lee Oswald??    Hmmmm....    That would indicate that Truly h prior knowledge....  Could be.....

Oswald was the only one he vouched for.

No.....   Have you forgotten that Baker said that he saw a man slinking away from the stairs on either the third or fourth floor ?

a policeman who had drawn a gun on him

Liar!!.....   Baker did not draw a gun on Lee Oswald.....Baker already had his revolver in his hand as they climbed the stairs and approached the lunchroom.....
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Where is Dan Rather?
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CE399 matched to Oswald's Carcano to the exclusion of any other weapon ever made.

The Limo bullet fragments matched to Oswald's Carcano to the exclusion of any other weapon ever made.

We are off topic. But why not: Backlund has abandoned his own "subject".

CE399 matched to Oswald's Carcano to the exclusion of any other weapon ever made.

Great, now all you have to do is prove that the bullet now in evidence is the same one that Tomlinson found on a stretcher at Parkland.


The Limo bullet fragments matched to Oswald's Carcano to the exclusion of any other weapon ever made.

Are you sure about that? But it doesn't really matter, just like the bullet now in evidence as CE 399, the fragments allegedly found in the limousine were given to the FBI by the Secret Service, who allegedly collected them from the limo before the FBI team that was supposed to search the car arrived. So, you really need to prove that the fragments now in evidence were indeed found in the limo.

I think you are going to have a problem in proving either which means that the ballastics are worthless as well.
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It will never happen.

Are you saying that Americans lack the courage of Russians?

Why are there monuments to Hoover and LBJ in the US?   ....But no monuments to Lenin or Stalin in Russia? ..or  Hitler in Germany... or  Saddam Hussein in Iraq

The Russians faced the facts that Stalin was simply a brutal mass murderer and removed any monument.... Do we Americans lack the brains and guts to face reality?
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Correct, they only had Dulles on board.


Dulles had little influence on the investigation in the immediate aftermath of the murder..... J.Edgar Hoover was at the controls....
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It's pretty obvious why the list of patrons was "lost".  They wanted to control the narrative of what happened at the theater.

 They wanted to control the narrative of what happened at the theater.

Yes, that makes sense.....   They didn't want some schmuck sayin that he saw one of Hoover's agents hand the S&W revolver to  Lee before the police burst into the theater......
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Mike should feel free to name anyone of these people as his shooter...

Why....??     Who made the rule that the assassin had to be a TSBD employee??
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