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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Tom Sorensen on Today at 07:30:46 AM »
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The way she misunderstood the questions was what frustrated the interrogator.

No sign of misunderstanding whether she recognized Oswald or not.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no

BALL started harassing and leading the witness when Markham didn't deliver what he wanted. 

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.

In court BALL would have been immediately stopped as she had already answered his question; Markham fully understands "recognized":

Mr. BALL. All right. I have some pictures here that I would like to show you. I have Exhibits 521 and 522, which have been marked as Exhibits. Here is one picture, 521. Do you recognize that as the sign down?
Mrs. MARKHAM. This is the corner of Patton and 10th.
//
Mr. BALL. No, I have another picture I will show her. I have here Exhibit 522; do you recognize the white house in the picture?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
//
Mr. BALL. Northwest corner; that is the northwest corner. Here is a picture. Do you recognize that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
//
Mr. BALL. I have some other pictures here that might illustrate. Do you recognize this?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.

Straight answers all the way. She didn't recognize Oswald in the lineup. BALL was desperate.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Bill Chapman on Today at 07:30:20 AM »
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Or was it that she wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear?

He wanted her to understand the questions.

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men*

*Meaning prior to that day
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The DPD and Hoover's "Extra Special"  Special Agents were in panic when Lee told the interrogators that he had seen 

(This) "rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday" 

Here 's the exact quote that FBI Agent James Hosty jotted down during the interrogation of Lee Oswald at 3:15 pm that afternoon....." Day before yesterday Mr Truly had rifle and two others first floor outside office."

At 3:15 Lt JC Day has just brought the carcano in from the TSBD.....  They displayed the rifle to Lee and asked him if he'd ever seen it before. ( A routine procedure to watch the reaction of a suspect when he is shown the weapon) 

Lee replied...."Yes, I saw this rifle and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD the day before yesterday."

Absolutely none of the above is true.

Unless, of course, you can post what Hosty "jotted down".  I'm not asking for your mistaken interpretation of what Hosty "jotted down".  I'm asking for a copy of the actual notes.
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(I dunno...is it supposed to be this tightly packed? After 54 years, does it even matter, anymore?)

Sea Cliff population in 1950 was less than 5,000 and Priscilla Johnson's family home,
Kaintuck Farm, was less than six miles away, in Mill Neck....pop. 976.

Alexander Daniloff was a signatory sponsor of George Bouhe's naturalization of U.S citizenship, in 1939.
Bouhe was of St. Petersburg.:
October, 1960:


Ilya Mamantov testified to the WC that his first employment in the U.S. was scheduling
production at Lion Match.
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TESTIMONY OF ILYA A. MAMANTOV
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Mr. JENNER. Let's take one step back--by whom were you employed, or with whom were you associated, prior thereto? Mr. MAMANTOV. Lion Match Co. Mr. JENNER. L-y-o-n [spelling]? Mr. MAMANTOV. L-i-o-n [spelling] Match Co. in New York. Mr. JENNER. In what capacity? Mr. MAMANTOV. As a production scheduling or ...

Thomas Devine's business partner, John Train, was the father-in-law of Paul Klebnikov.
Paul's father, George, was Alexander Daniloff's boss at the United Nations.:
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In 1991, he married Musa Train, whom he had known since childhood (they have the same godfather). He married well, and certainly wealthy: Musa's father, John Train, was a major Wall Street banker. Musa and Paul moved into an apartment on the Upper West Side. At a housewarming party there, guests discussed the ...

The founder of Lion Match, Ambassador Boris Bakhmetev, was the boss of this man, who just
happened to reside earlier in the same, single family home as Alexander Daniloff.:


The last paragraph of the above article image indicates Serge Ughet missed by mere months the
opportunity to manage Ilya Mamantov, but it is clear they had mutual acquaintances.:
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..Mr. JENNER. And prior to 1952, your employment was?
Mr. MAMANTOV. With the Donnally Geophysical Co. here in Dallas as seismologist.
Mr. JENNER. And over what period of time did that work extend?
Mr. MAMANTOV. It covers 1951, the summer of 1951 until the fall of 1955, when I took my present job.
Mr. JENNER. Let's take one step back--by whom were you employed, or with whom were you associated, prior thereto?
Mr. MAMANTOV. Lion Match Co
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His position as ambassador was recognized by the US government until his resignation in June 1922, when he established the Lion Match Company with other Russian immigrants. He introduced the ... Boris Bakhmeteff was also on the Board of Directors for the Tolstoy Foundation Center in Valley Cottage, New York.
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Following the February Revolution of 1917 Karpovich went to work for the new Provisional Government. He met Boris A. Bakhmetev, future American Ambassador of Alexander Kerensky's government by chance on the Nevsky Prospect of Petrograd.[5] Bakhmetev persuaded Karpovich to join him on a "special mission" to America as his personal secretary. In May 1917 the pair left Russia for Washington, DC, where they established the Provisional Government's Embassy to the United States. Karpovich joined Bakhmetev with the understanding that his stay in the United States would be temporary and that he would be able to return home in time for Christmas of 1917.[5] Historical events intervened.

Career in America
Karpovich remained in this position of trust at the Russian embassy until the middle of 1922, at which time Karpovich moved to New York City to assist Bakhmetev with his activities there.[4] Karpovich also gave lectures on Russian history at a number of universities and made translations during this interval.[4]

In 1927, Karpovich began his long career in the history department of Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

From 1946 until his death, Karpovich served as editor of the quarterly Novyi Zhurnal (New Magazine), an old school thick journal of serious Russian journalism and fiction.[4] Karpovich was also an active contributor to The Russian Review from its establishment in 1941, working closely via three-cornered correspondence with his co-editors, William Henry Chamberlin and Dimitri von Mohrenschildt.[6]....

Priscilla's family home, where she and her father, Stuart Johnson, later hosted Svetlana in 1967.:


Distance from Priscilla in Mill Neck to Daniloff at 48 Littleworth Ln in Sea Cliff, and to the two Russian
Orthodox churches.:




Sea Cliff, quite the pious little community of White Russians, near the door step of Priscilla Johnson!
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2 Russian Churches, Split by War, Reuniting - The New York Times
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May 17, 2007 - MOSCOW, May 16 — The atmosphere was tense, laced with nearly a century of mistrust and bitter feelings, when President Vladimir V. Putin met in New ... Mr. Jordan, who grew up in Sea Cliff, N. Y., in a staunch Russian Church Abroad family but became a vocal advocate for union after living in Russia.

Boris Jordan - Wikipedia
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Boris Jordan is an American businessman of Russian origin. He speaks both English and Russian fluently. An American of Russian ancestry, Boris Jordan assisted Russia's economic transition to capitalism in the early 1990s, assisting in the launch of the Russian stock market and the privatization of state assets.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 06:13:59 AM »
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How about quitting with the straw man and deal with what I actually did say.  The fibers found inside one of the sleeves of the jacket matched the microscopic fibers from Oswald's arrest shirt.

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And by "matched" you mean similar.  So what?

No.

By "matched" I mean the fibers were more than only similar; I mean exactly what I said, that they were a match.

If you believe the fibers found inside one of the sleeves were only "similar" to fibers taken from Oswald's arrest shirt, then you need to go back and learn the evidence.  The fibers were a match.

Or, maybe you simply don't know the meaning of very basic words, like "similar".

Anything to get a cop-killer off the hook.  Right?
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Seems to be more office buildings, hotels, and white-collar businesses on Main than Elm.
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                                                                                                       Zeon's conclusions:

1. Al Sherman, Maryland State Trooper                                                 = missed head shot
5.0 seconds - 2 hits in orange silouhette, 1 blue low
6.0 seconds - 2 hits, 1 blue high (1st 2 shots in 2.2 seconds)
NO TIME -- bolt jammed at third cartridge
5.2 seconds - 1 hit, two low
5.0 seconds - 1 hit, 2 upper left blue

2. Ron George, Maryland State Trooper                                                   = missed all 3
NO TIME -- bolt jammed after 2nd shot; 3rd fired very late
NO TIME -- 3rd bullet jammed
4.9 seconds - 2 hits, 1 blue upper right

3. John Concini, Maryland State Trooper                                                 = no comfirmed hits
6.3 seconds -- number of hits unreported
5.4 seconds -- 1 hit in silhouette, 2 blues "just low"

4. Howard Donahue, weapons engineer                                                   = missed all 3
NO TIME -- second bullet jammed
NO TIME -- jam after first shot
5.2 seconds - 3 hits in orange silhouette grouped in head area (best
target)

5. William Fitchett, sporting goods dealder                                              = missed all 3
6.5 seconds -- 3 borderline hits, low & left along silhouette border               
6.0 seconds -- 1 hit orange, 2 low blue
6.1 seconds -- number of hits unreported

6. Somerset Fitchett, sportsman                                                             = missed head shot
NO TIME -- jammed at 3rd bullet
5.9 seconds -- 2 hits, 1 wide left
5.5 seconds -- 2 hits, 1 low

7. John Bollendorf, ballistics technician                                                    = no hits in orange
6.8 seconds - 2 hits in silhouette, 1 blue low left
NO TIME -- jam after 2nd shot
NO TIME -- jam again
6.5 seconds -- 1 orange hit, 2 near misses blue upper left                     

8. Douglas Bazemore, ex-paratrooper (Viet vet)                                       = no hits
NO TIME -- stiff bolt action
NO TIME -- unable to work bolt fast enough
NO TIME -- just too stiff for him
NO TIME -- 2 shots in 5 seconds; 3 shots in 9 seconds; gives up

9. Carl Holden, H.P. White employee
NO TIME -- bolt jammed after 1st shot                                                        = no hits
NO TIME -- jammed again
5.4 seconds -- tight group of 3 hits in blue high right

10. Sid Price, H.P. White employee
5.9 seconds -- 1 hit orange, 1 blue, 1 nowhere (missed target completely)
4.3 seconds -- no hits reported
NO TIME -- jam after 2nd shot
4.1 seconds -- 1 hit orange, 2 complete misses (off blue)

11. Charles Hamby, H.P. White employee                                                       = no hits
NO TIME -- jammed
NO TIME -- jammed
6.5 seconds -- 2 blues close to silhouette, 1 completely missed target



Hey Zeon, did they use Oswald's actual rifle? and if not then all problems with the actual rifle mechanism is not applicable, sorry about that.
So all we are left with is average riflemen who were as mostly as accurate as Oswald. Nice!

Btw the CBS doco was using the 4.6 second timespan.



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Zeon’s original post, with my additions:


                                                                                                         
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Below I show Zeon and my conclusions. It is true that the rifle often jammed. It appears to jam about half the time, at least with shooters who are unfamiliar with the rifle. And half the time it does not jam.

For the ‘first attempt”, I refer to the first attempt that the rifle did not jam and all three shots were made.


                                                                                                       Zeon's conclusions:

1. Al Sherman, Maryland State Trooper                                                 = missed head shot
5.0 seconds - 2 hits in orange silouhette, 1 blue low
6.0 seconds - 2 hits, 1 blue high (1st 2 shots in 2.2 seconds)
NO TIME -- bolt jammed at third cartridge
5.2 seconds - 1 hit, two low
5.0 seconds - 1 hit, 2 upper left blue
       ; Zeon’s conclusion:  missed head shot
       ; Joe’s conclusion:  first attempt – 2 hits


2. Ron George, Maryland State Trooper                                                   = missed all 3
NO TIME -- bolt jammed after 2nd shot; 3rd fired very late
NO TIME -- 3rd bullet jammed
4.9 seconds - 2 hits, 1 blue upper right
      ; Zeon’s conclusion:  missed all three
     ; Joe’s conclusion: first attempt – 2 hits


3. John Concini, Maryland State Trooper                                                 = no comfirmed hits
6.3 seconds -- number of hits unreported
5.4 seconds -- 1 hit in silhouette, 2 blues "just low"
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: no confirmed hits
     ; Joe’s conclusion: first attempt: unknown


4. Howard Donahue, weapons engineer                                                   = missed all 3
NO TIME -- second bullet jammed
NO TIME -- jam after first shot
5.2 seconds - 3 hits in orange silhouette grouped in head area (best
target)
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: missed all three
     ; Joe’s conclusion: first attempt – 3 hits


5. William Fitchett, sporting goods dealer                                              = missed all 3
6.5 seconds -- 3 borderline hits, low & left along silhouette border               
6.0 seconds -- 1 hit orange, 2 low blue
6.1 seconds -- number of hits unreported
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: all three missed
     ; Joe’s conclusion:  first attempt: all three hit


6. Somerset Fitchett, sportsman                                                             = missed head shot
NO TIME -- jammed at 3rd bullet
5.9 seconds -- 2 hits, 1 wide left
5.5 seconds -- 2 hits, 1 low
     Zeon’s conclusion: missed head shot
     Joe’s conclusion: first attempt: 2 hits


7. John Bollendorf, ballistics technician                                                    = no hits in orange
6.8 seconds - 2 hits in silhouette, 1 blue low left
NO TIME -- jam after 2nd shot
NO TIME -- jam again
6.5 seconds -- 1 orange hit, 2 near misses blue upper left                     
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: no hits in orange
     ; Joe’s conclusion: first attempt: 1 hit


8. Douglas Bazemore, ex-paratrooper (Viet vet)                                       = no hits
NO TIME -- stiff bolt action
NO TIME -- unable to work bolt fast enough
NO TIME -- just too stiff for him
NO TIME -- 2 shots in 5 seconds; 3 shots in 9 seconds; gives up
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: no hits
     ; Joe’s conclusion: had problems with the bolt, unrecorded where the shots went


9. Carl Holden, H.P. White employee
NO TIME -- bolt jammed after 1st shot                                                        = no hits
NO TIME -- jammed again
5.4 seconds -- tight group of 3 hits in blue high right
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: no hits
     ; Joe’s conclusion on first attempt: no hits


10. Sid Price, H.P. White employee
5.9 seconds -- 1 hit orange, 1 blue, 1 nowhere (missed target completely)
4.3 seconds -- no hits reported
NO TIME -- jam after 2nd shot
4.1 seconds -- 1 hit orange, 2 complete misses (off blue)
       ; Zeon’s conclusion: not specified
       ; Joe conclusion on first attempt: 1 hit


11. Charles Hamby, H.P. White employee                                                       = no hits
NO TIME -- jammed
NO TIME -- jammed
6.5 seconds -- 2 blues close to silhouette, 1 completely missed target
     ; Zeon’s conclusion: no hits
     ; Joe’s conclusion on first attempt: no hits








I can see why you were reluctant to show the source of your claims, that all shooters missed all their shots on their first attempt.



There is one big problem with your scoring.

It is standard for shooters to receive instructions that any hit within the silhouette is a hit. Not that only a hit in the head area is a hit, but that any hit, anywhere in the silhouette is a hit. So, naturally, the shooters would aim at the ‘fattest’ part of the target, the chest area, to maximize their chances of getting a hit. Not at the head.

In contrast, someone trying to kill someone, and is shooting at short ranges, like under 100 yards, may chose to aim at the head, to maximize the odds of a fatal hit, even though they are shooting at a smaller target than the upper torso.


Questions:

Do you have any evidence that the CBS shooters were instructed to aim at the ‘head’ and not at the ‘torso’ part of the silhouette? And that any shot not on the ‘head’, even one on the ‘torso’, would be considered a miss?

Can you give any example, EVER, in any shooting test, that shooters where presented with a silhouette of a head and torso, but were instructed that any hit on the torso would be considered a ‘Miss’ and only a hit on the ‘Head’ would be considered a ‘Hit’.




I anticipate that you will dodge this question.




Joe’s Points:

** The 11 CBS shooters were all volunteers. I do not know if there was a single expert in the group. I doubt it. Several were Maryland State troopers, who would have some experience with firearms. I don’t know about all the H. P. White employees.

** The shooters were rushed more than Oswald. It appears they were trying to get off their shots in under 6 seconds. The best evidence, unknown in 1967, is that the shots were probably spaced over 8.7 seconds, and possibly longer.

** We have testimony from his wife that Oswald did not go target practicing with his rifle at lot, but did do so on at least one occasion, that she knows of.

** We have testimony from his wife that Oswald did practice a lot working the bolt. He may have been better at avoiding jams than any of the 11 CBS shooters.



Of the 11 CBS shooters:

** Counting unreported results as:  0 hits

** Defining the “First attempt” as the first time the rifle successfully fired 3 shots


I find that:

** 4 shooters missed all the shots

** 2 shooters got 1 hit, 2 misses

** 3 shooters got 2 hits, 1 miss

** 2 shooters got 3 hits, no misses

For an average of 1.64 hits per shooter, on a moving target.


Basically, these shooters had a 50/50 chance of getting off three shots and if they did get off three shots, they got an average of 1.64 hits.


Joe’s Conclusions:

** Even if Oswald, with all the practice he had with the rifle bolt, was no better at avoiding rifle jams than the 11 CBS shooters, he had a 50 / 50 chance of getting off three shots.

** The Shooting tests imply that Oswald should get 1.64 hits. This is close to the 2 hits he did get.


The rifle was not ideal. Its biggest problem was its tendency to jam. But there is a good chance it would not jam. Perhaps a very good change for a shooter with proficiency working the bolt. Oswald may have been such a shooter, with his opportunity to practice over the course of several months.
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JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 02:45:36 AM »
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That what the guy who took her testimony called her. 

For a start you didn't reference Ball in your comment so blaming Ball for your Woman bashing insult is a gutless cop out.
And secondly, I don't think Ball was qualified to analyse Markham, what's your opinion?

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Do you think you know her better than he did?

Ball interacted with a plethora of witnesses and he concluded from all these witnesses that Oswald did it beyond all doubt, do you endorse that as well?, or will you just cherry pick a single comment from fifty years ago where Ball was clearly using a crowd pleasing ironic metaphor.



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Since at least late 2016, Steve Thomas has been actively posting about
"Revolt of the Colonels," and encouraging others to perform and
post collaborative research results, a phenomena rather infrequently
substantive in these forums. (I know....I am swinging for the fences in this
thread, a thing I often advise others not to do!)

LTC George Luster Whitmeyer 1919 - 1978, 488th M.I.
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Tuesday, December 05, 1967Dallas, Texas Page: 16


Unfortunately for Steve, his recent research efforts along this vein have
rekindled my effort to overcome a dead end in the research pursuit I am
most challenged by and familiar with. IOW....can all of these coincidences
simply be dismissed as purely coincidental, or are they building blocks actually
forming a fertile pattern of inquiry?

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Tom Scully  Posted April 7, 2013
...I see DeMohrenschildt assigned to the dipping of Oswald, Priscilla Johnson assigned to write key narratives,
and more than once. I see Tom Devine carrying out an assignment to interface with DeMohrenschildt at critical point in the timeline, and Devine's old fraternity Bud,
Garry Coit, similarly assigned to Priscilla Johnson. The publishing team behind Priscilla's "work" with both Marina and Svetlana was led by Allen Dulles's subsequent
biographer, Cass Canfield. Cass's stepson was involved in the Paris Review with Matthiessen and Plimpton, and Tom Guinzburg was Matthiessen's Yale roommate
and an usher in John Macomber's wedding (see displayed wedding announcement.) John Macomber financially backed Bush, Jr. and hired Devine as a Celanese V.P. Macomber's brother was the best man in Nancy Bush's and in Devine's wedding.

John Macomber teamed up with senior Knight of Malta in the U.S. , William HG Fitzgerald, to lead the Atlantic Council. An usher in Fitzgerald's wedding, Oliver W. Hammonds, became Jack Crichton's accountant and Arabian Shield partner. Hammonds and his accounting partner, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, all served as presidents of the tiny, Dallas Harvard Club.
A closed loop of reliable folk of the same social class who would not talk publicly about each other. The proof of that is that the silence still endures.....

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The William H.G. FitzGerald Tennis Center is a public tennis center located in Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C. It is named after William H. G. FitzGerald, a Washington-based private investor who was active in philanthropies and served as United States Ambassador to Ireland. It houses 15 hard courts and 10 clay

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Tennis was the game....McCloy, his best man, Brunie (Brunie's wife, Anna,) who hired Crichton.....
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FULLER, ANNA United States
Married (1) Charles J Hubbard in 1925
Married (2) Henry C. Brunie by 1934 US Nationals
[Active as early as 1925 to at least 1934]
Active as late as 1934, when she competed in the US Nationals as Mrs Brunie.

in 1951 as Texas V.P. of Empire Trust, and Willam HG Fitzgerald who tapped
Hammonds as a 1943 wedding usher before Hammonds later became Crichton
Arab Shield partner and accountant. I still only assume Fitzgerald chose Byfield Jr
as best man in a 1943 wedding ceremony officiated at St. Patricks in NYC by
William Donovan's priest brother because Byfield was a 1936 tennis standout
at North Carolina.

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You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginA long time resident of Dallas, passed away on February 14th, 2006. The funeral service will be held at 11:00 a.m. Saturday, February 18th in Chapel East of Hillcrest Mausoleum. Mr. Hammonds was born in DeQueen, Arkansas on August 4th, 1911. He grew up in Oklahoma City and graduated from the University of Oklahoma. He received his law degree from Harvard in 1936. Following law school, he worked at the World Court in the Hague. During World War II, he enlisted in the Army Air Corps as an intelligence officer where he attained the rank of major. Mr. Hammonds moved to Dallas from Washington, D.C. in 1947 with his wife Ellen, and two sons where he practiced law until retirement. He enjoyed music and learned to play the clarinet and accordion. He also enjoyed travel and tennis, a game he played almost daily until his late 80s. His motto in life was "everything in moderation." Mr. Hammonds lived to be 94 and is survived by his former wife, Ellen, and four children .....

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In 1941, Oliver W. Hammonds married Ellen Hewes Flowerree of New Orleans,. Ellen's brother was Robert W. Flowerree, a Chase Manhattan Bank director, CEO of Georgia-Pacific, involved in Loyola U. in New Orleans, and he was a SMOM.

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Tom Scully  Posted January 6, 2012
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I'm in your thread mostly because of the details in three wedding announcements. William HG Fitzgerald, Anapolis and Harvard Law, ammried Annilese Petschek in 1943.
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MISS AR PETSGHEK WED IN CATHEDRal; Bride of Lieut. Commdr....

New York Times - Jul 3, 1943
Lieut Ernest L. Byfield Jr., iUSA, of Chicago, was best man for! the bridegroom ... iThe ushers were Capt. OW Hammond of Washington and the bride's brother, .
 
On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2011 at 7:52 PM, Tom Scully said:
...I found the following info only because the Washington Post version of the above 1943 wedding announcement listed the first name of usher, Capt. Oliver W Hammonds, U.S,A. :
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Oliver W. Hammonds ’36 of Dallas died Feb. 14, 2006. A solo practitioner, he focused his Dallas practice on taxation and investments. Earlier in his career, he was an attorney at the U.S. Treasury Department and in the Tax Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. He was a director of the Dallas Council on World Affairs and helped raise $1 million for the establishment of the Manley O. Hudson Chair of International Law at HLS. During WWII, he served in the U.S. Army Air Forces as an intelligence officer.
ARABIAN AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT CO - 10-K - 19960401 - AUDITORS_OPINION
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10(f) 1987 Non-Employee Director Stock Plan (incorporated by reference to Exhibit ...... John A. Crichton Chairman of the Board Arabian Shield Development Company ... Shield Development Company Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Oliver W. Hammonds ..
ARABIAN SHIELD DEVELOPMENT CO - 10-K Annual Report - 12/31/1995
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Arabian Shield Development Company (the "Company") was organized as a ...... resident in the United States are Mr. John A. Crichton, Chairman of the Board, ..... /s/ O.W. Hammonds Director - ------------------------- Oliver W. Hammonds ..
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The CFR.
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Alfred M. Gullion, Edmund A. Hall, John W. Halle, Louis J., Jr. Hamilton, Thomas J. Hammonds, Oliver W. Hansell , Gen. Haywood S., Jr. Harbison, Frederick Hare , Raymond A . Harriman, W. Averell Harris, Irving B. Harris

You'd have to read carefully the Paul Hellmuth thread and mull over the names and connections in my last post in that thread.:
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You'd have to ask yourself why a lawyer partnered with Paul F. Hellmuth at Hale & Dorr, Joseph N. Welch, would be dragging himself and several of his colleagues down to Washington to represent the U.S. Army, pro bono? Was the Army indigent, incapable of paying for legal counsel?
What do you make of the spectacle of Roy Cohen and G. David Schine? Their antics triggered Welch's decision to take on the Army as a charity case. Schine was as at least as vigorously and absurdly portrayed by government/media as an anti-communist extremist as LHO was portrayed as a marxist extremist.
I see a recurring pattern, Tom. It involves less than fifty people, and less than a dozen are at its core.
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In late 1958, lawyer Paul Hellmuth, a Notre Dame alumnus and Hale & Dorr partner (and later revealed as a conduit for CIA funds), became a key sponsor of Dooley's projects.
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Engineer Quits Job to Aid Dr. Dooley

Los Angeles Times - Dec 18, 1959
The plane was pur- chased for Dooley by hotel man Conrad Hilton. Euster's previous service in the Oril- cnt was as military pilot in.
After that, its basically a game played again and again by the same core players. In the 1980's Bush roommate Robert Macauley played the Tom Dooley part, and the boosters were still the same, CIA WR Grace/Knights of Malta, Hellmuth's Independence Foundation co-trustee, David B. Stone's brother, Robert G. Stone, Jr., and Allen Quasha.
Leading up to Nov., 1963, Robert G. Stone's wife's brother, Godfrey A. Rockefeller, has a recent employment history with Bell Helicopters in Dallas, and goes on to a much longer association with Bell and its acquirer. In the mid 1970's, Stone's daughter married William HG Fitzgerald's son. Thomas J. Devine is Bush's partner, Stone's partner, and had the ssame best man as Nancy Bush, Wm. B. Macomber, Jr.
Rockefeller heads the WWF, with Devine's buddy, Bohlen, under Rockefeller.
Bush is acquainted with De Mohrenschildt through Ed Hooker, and probably through George Kichel. Devine met with De Mohrenschildt in May, 1963 and reported to the CIA about the meeting via a "secure line".
Fitzgerald's best man, Byfield is linked both to Henry Crown and to Jack Ruby. Fitzgerald's usher, Hammonds, becomes Jack Crichton's accountant and co-director.
Crichton just happens to almost instantly produce an interpreter for LHO's wife.
Joseph N. Welch's wife grew up in tiny Washington, GA, and if Welch and his partner, Hellmuth were working for Army intelligence, at some point in the 1950's, after 40 years of marriage, Welch could have imparted to Hellmuth, Army Intel, CIA, or all three, details of "Little Alek" Stephenson and his secretary, William Hidell.
Tom, I hope you would agree it would be odd enough if the only coincidences outlined in this post were that Byfield was at least acquainted with a close friend of Jack Ruby, and his mother leased Glen Ora to JFK, and Bush knew LHO's "best friend," DeMohrenschildt.
But that does not happen to be the case.
Byfield is an Army officer in the same small, top secret project, commanded by the same OSS Lt. Col. as Nancy Bush and Devine best man, Macomber.
But, it turns out that Bush's sister's best man was investigating LHO in late 1960, and Hellmuth's co-trustee, David B. Stone, had a brother in business with Tom Devine, and the best man investigating Oswald was also Devine's best man, and the Stone brother in business with Tom Devine administered a Harvard fund that turned around the business fortunes of Bush's son, George, setting him up to be a multi-millionaire, and that Tom Dooley had identical backing and similar mission as Robert Macauley did, 22 years later.
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