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General Discussion & Debate / Prayer Woman
« Last post by Brian Doyle on May 24, 2019, 03:59:59 AM »2nd floor lunch room to be exact...
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Colin Crow on May 24, 2019, 03:19:05 AM »
Credit Dr Tony Fratini.
Seems in this recreation they decided to secure both ends (just like Dan rather)......go figure.....just common sense.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Colin Crow on May 24, 2019, 02:47:44 AM »I gather that no one can see any evidence sealing of both ends of the bag. The LNers who have commented so far are happy to rely on a small fold over and gravity to contain the contents. No anticipated issue of content release/exposure on the flat back seat during the 30 minutes or so driving from Irving to the TSBD.
Are there any signs of such a secure fold in any bag photos?
Are there any signs of such a secure fold in any bag photos?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Colin Crow on May 24, 2019, 02:40:37 AM »Seems somebody's 'recollections' may have shifted somewhat upon realizing that the 'bro drove the eventual prime suspect to the eventual scene of the crime.
Do you believe that LMR was aware Oswald was in custody when she initially discussed a "package" carried by him that morning?
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on May 24, 2019, 02:40:08 AM »Did Frazier ever say that he saw LHO from the front (while carrying the package tucked under his armpit)?
Frazier’s stated reason why he assumed the package was tucked under the armpit is because he didn’t see it sticking up above the shoulder.
If he had a better reason for that assumption, a good time to state it would have been in his answer to the WC.
Did Frazier ever say that he saw LHO from the front (while carrying the package tucked under his armpit)?
Oh boy, you are really fighting this hard, aren't you? When Ball asked him what he saw, what did he say? Do you really think he saw him from behind?
Frazier’s stated reason why he assumed the package was tucked under the armpit is because he didn’t see it sticking up above the shoulder.
If he had a better reason for that assumption, a good time to state it would have been in his answer to the WC.
Huh? When Ball asked him what he saw, he told him.... There was no assumption. He saw it, period.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Charles Collins on May 24, 2019, 02:34:39 AM »Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.
Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.
Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.
Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
My contention is that it is quite reasonable to believe that Frazier just didn’t see it “sticking up like that.”
I don't recall asking you what you feel is quite reasonable to believe. I asked you if Frazier was indeed mistaken as you insinuated....
Did Frazier ever say that he saw LHO from the front (while carrying the package tucked under his armpit)?
Frazier’s stated reason why he assumed the package was tucked under the armpit is because he didn’t see it sticking up above the shoulder.
If he had a better reason for that assumption, a good time to state it would have been in his answer to the WC.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on May 24, 2019, 02:16:00 AM »No he didn’t say that he saw it. He said:
MR. BALL -- "Could he have carried it this way?"
MR. FRAZIER -- "No, sir. Never in front here--like that. Now, that is
what I was talking to you about. No, I say he couldn't, because if he
had you would have seen the package sticking up like that.From what I
seen walking behind, he had it under his arm and you couldn't tell
that he had a package from the back."
My contention is that it is quite reasonable to believe that Frazier just didn’t see it “sticking up like that.” After all, he was 50’ behind, not paying attention, had no reason to be paying attention, and actually was paying attention to other things.
Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.
Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.
Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.
Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
My contention is that it is quite reasonable to believe that Frazier just didn’t see it “sticking up like that.”
I don't recall asking you what you feel is quite reasonable to believe. I asked you if Frazier was indeed mistaken as you insinuated....
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Last post by Charles Collins on May 24, 2019, 01:29:44 AM »Frazier’s idea that he thought LHO tucked the package under his armpit.
Where do you get the notion Frazier just thought that, when in fact he said he saw it?
I am demonstrating that Frazier could very easily be mistaken.
Fair enough, but was Frazier indeed mistaken?
Just like every human being, it could instead be you who is mistaken, right?
No he didn’t say that he saw it. He said:
MR. BALL -- "Could he have carried it this way?"
MR. FRAZIER -- "No, sir. Never in front here--like that. Now, that is
what I was talking to you about. No, I say he couldn't, because if he
had you would have seen the package sticking up like that.From what I
seen walking behind, he had it under his arm and you couldn't tell
that he had a package from the back."
My contention is that it is quite reasonable to believe that Frazier just didn’t see it “sticking up like that.” After all, he was 50’ behind, not paying attention, had no reason to be paying attention, and actually was paying attention to other things.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: W. Tracy Parnell= Bungling JFK Assassination Theories
« Last post by Jerry Freeman on May 24, 2019, 01:17:53 AM »Seems you reject the idea that Marina might very well have chosen to not testify against her spouse had he lived and gone to trial."....had he lived and gone to trial." Trial was not in the cards at all for Ozzy.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: I'm selling one of my bloodstained pieces of leather from JFK's Limo
« Last post by Jerry Freeman on May 24, 2019, 01:09:09 AM »I must ask. Why would anyone want to have something like this? It's very morbid.You have agreement there Steve [welcome back BTW] The story there is dubious IMO.
Anyway there is this --if someone hasn't seen it >> w/video
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Blood-Stained-Leather-From-JFKs-Limo-Being-Sold-to-Highest-Bidder-509400771.html