Recent Posts

Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8 9 10
61
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 21, 2020, 10:10:55 PM »
The rally was scheduled to begin 5 PM, 45 minutes before sunset.



"60,000" people by TrumpCount
 


Air Force One landing 4:11; Trump went on stage 5:25
 


Latter picture shows thinned-out discouraged gathering

   Another Boner Jerry. Trump started AFTER DARK.
62
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Last post by Walt Cakebread on February 21, 2020, 10:10:20 PM »
Right, this makes absolutely no sense at all. Why allow this? We can't prove - certainly not to the hardcore conspiracy believer - that Ruby wasn't part of a plot, that he was directed to kill Oswald. All we can do is to try and prove, somehow, a negative. Or present evidence of one. Such as: "If he was part of a larger conspiracy then why allow him to talk like this? Be interviewed by the press, talk to his family? Doesn't it risk exposure? Particularly after he was diagnosed with terminal cancer? And what was his benefit for doing this? What did he gain?"

They "let" Oswald talk to his family, to others, to meet with the media. That's not something one would do if you're worried about him exposing your conspiracy.

Here we have Ruby calmly (there's audio of him) and rationally explaining his act, the motive behind it, his thinking. This is not him saying Jews were being killed around him (as he did). The two are not, for me, equivalent (there is evidence for one; there is no evidence for the other). Clearly he had moments of, well, insanity. But psychotherapists say mentally unstable people have moments of clarity and reason along with episodes of instability. Here, for me at least, he is calm and reasonable and sensible.  We should be able to see the difference. Unless one doesn't want to. In which case, never mind <g>.

If you knew that Henry Wade knew Jack Ruby well ...( despite the fact that Wade denied that he visited he Carousel or knew Jack Ruby)   change your thinking about Ruby's murder of Lee Oswald. 

Does Ruby's call out to Henry Wade ....." No, Henry, that's the Fair Play for Cuba Committee"...sound like Ruby didn't know Henry Wade????
63
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 21, 2020, 10:09:42 PM »
At Trump's COLORADO Rally last night: (1) 72,000 tickets were issued,


There was a HUUUUUGE crowd outside.

Huh? They issued 72.000 tickets for a venue that can only hold 10.000 8.000, leaving 64.000 people unable to get in....   :D

Yeah right.... If you are going to make up stuff, at least try to do it better than the Orange one and make it even a little bit plausible.

    How often do I have to School You, Jr? In order for a person to be issued a ticket to a Trump Rally, they must fill out a questionnaire. The demand for Trump Rally tickets is such that it is conducted On-Line. The campaign issues far more Rally tickets than the seating capacity of each and every arena, in order to amass the HUUUUUUUGE Data Base they currently have. This Data Base continues growing with each Rally that is held. In addition to the info gathered on-line, there are Trump Volunteers circulating through the Overflow Crowds that are outside every rally. The data base is already going through a "shake down" with each primary that is held. This data base is part of the reason Trump is setting records for the vote totals he is currently getting while basically running unopposed. Trump's vote totals thus far have absolutely Dwarfed the numbers that Obama received in 2012. And as we all know, there are Far More Dem's than Repub's.  "The Best Is Yet To Come" 
64
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Jerry Organ on February 21, 2020, 10:08:22 PM »
    Another Boner of yours Jerry. The Rally was held at NIGHT. You are showing us the HUUUUUGE Crowd that was Forced to remain Outside Well Before the Rally even started. Thanks for proving my point!

The rally was scheduled to begin 5 PM, 45 minutes before sunset.



"60,000" people by TrumpCount
 


Air Force One landing 4:11; Trump went on stage 5:25
 


Latter picture shows thinned-out discouraged gathering
65
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on February 21, 2020, 09:59:09 PM »
There are vendors of Trump gear now, when he comes to town. I even saw a vendor stand well-off from downtown in the suburbs.

And your point is, what?
66
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Richard Rubio on February 21, 2020, 09:56:34 PM »
There are vendors of Trump gear now, when he comes to town. I even saw a vendor stand well-off from downtown in the suburbs.
67
Excerpted:
Quote
Who shot Malcolm X? Questions loom 55 years after civil rights icon’s assassination

...

On the anniversary of his assassination, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution takes a look at some of the recent developments, including a reexamination of his murder case, and what we’ve known about the killing of the 39-year-old husband, father and influential figure.

...

Three men were charged in his murder.

Thomas Hagan, who had also been called Talmadge Hayer; Mujahid Abdul Halim, known then as Thomas 15X Johnson; and Muhammad Abdul Aziz, who at the time of Malcolm X’s death was known as Norman 3X Butler, were convicted of the activist’s murder and sentenced to life.

Butler, now 81, was the second person arrested in the case. He has maintained his innocence. Hagan admitted his role, and always affirmed the other convicted’s innocence. However, he was not willing to name others who helped him assassinate Malcolm X.

...

A criminal justice nonprofit says the murder case is being reexamined.

Read more at: https://www.ajc.com/news/who-shot-malcolm-questions-loom-years-after-civil-rights-icon-assassination/CNlpwdB2l2RMf34mAcQQ5J/

So, one of the convicted, Hagan, admitted involvement.

Quote
The killing of Malcolm X
by Ben Voth | February 21, 2020

...

Unfortunately, Thomas Hagan interrupted the event and shot Malcolm X multiple times on that stage, and the well-known activist died in front of a large shocked and panicked audience. That was Hagan’s argument — the public killing of a man he had come to despise.

Just one week earlier on Valentine’s Day, in Detroit, Malcolm X had provided an ominous intro to his remarks by commenting on the constant threats and intimidation he was facing as someone trying to leave the Nation of Islam:

"... I was in a house last night that was bombed — my own."

More: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/the-killing-of-malcolm-x

TIME:

Quote
The Enduring Mystery of Malcolm X's Assassination

..

Three members of the Nation of Islam (NOI) — Talmadge Hayer or Thomas Hagan (a.k.a Mujahid Abdul Halim), Norman Butler (a.k.a Muhammad Abdul Aziz) and Thomas Johnson (a.k.a Khalil Islam) — were convicted of his murder in 1966. The NOI is an African American religious and political organization formed in 1930 with the goal of improving the economic and spiritual conditions of the African American community in the United States. Malcolm X joined the group in 1952.

...

Why do some scholars want to reopen the case?

Scholars and historians have raised questions about Malcolm’s death for years. Some have alleged, furthermore, that law enforcement was well aware that Malcolm’s life was in danger but that, because the government had such an interest in undermining his work, they did not intervene to help him. Others have suggested that the government’s refusal to investigate the other suspects named by Hayer is evidence of a “more sinister” role, as Ali puts it, in the assassination.

“The Nation of Islam was no friend of the U.S. government, and the U.S. government was no friend of the Nation of Islam,” Ali says. “So the question has to be put on the table: why would the U.S. government not pursue all viable leads into who was actually responsible for Malcolm’s assassination?'”

More: https://time.com/5778688/malcolm-x-assassination/

I think the last article by TIME is actually, probably the best one.
68
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on February 21, 2020, 09:18:19 PM »
    We Interrupt the following Blather for some Pertinent FACTS!   At Trump's COLORADO Rally last night: (1) 72,000 tickets were issued,  (2) 67,600 Lived in Colorado,  (3) 39,000 were Registered Voters,  (4) 13,750 Did NOT vote in 2016 Pres. Election,  (5) 12,400 were Registered DEMOCRATS..............................We now return You to the ever incessant Blather.

At Trump's COLORADO Rally last night: (1) 72,000 tickets were issued,



That's quite a trick. Squeezing 72,000 people in an arena with 10,000 seats. Maybe the tooth-count was 72,000.


   Guess You are unfamiliar with the constitution of Colorado Residents. There was a HUUUUUGE crowd outside. The Fire Marshall mandated a max being permitted inside. Trump currently turning them away in Vegas.   

There was a HUUUUUGE crowd outside.

Huh? They issued 72.000 tickets for a venue that can only hold 10.000 8.000, leaving 64.000 people unable to get in....   :D

Let's see if we can find them.... all those 64.000 people;


Wow.. that must be at least 1.000 people..... The others must be running late, right?

If you are going to make up stuff, at least try to do it better than the Orange one and make it even a little bit plausible.


69
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Inner Circles
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on February 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM »

LBJ said he thought Castro was behind the assassination, in retaliation for the plots against him. So why didn't LBJ respond?


I believe that, if there was convincing evidence that Castro was behind the assassination, LBJ would have responded (due to the public outcry and resulting political pressures). Just LBJ's suspicions were not enough to act upon (and risk a potential nuclear war with the Soviets). And I believe that Cuban intelligence was much better than even our intelligence agencies gave them credit for (at the time). And it is possible that they could have used LHO covertly, leaving no convincing evidence of it.


In any case, Castro's (and Che's) fanatical hatred of the US at at that time was near Bin Laden level (and Bin Laden wouldn't do anything to cause the US to respond, right?). I don't think there's evidence that Castro was behind Oswald's acts; but I don't think he was very rational when it came to the US. His hatred blinded him to it.

Castro first came to the U.S. for help, but was refused to even be seen by the Eisenhower administration. Castro had nationalized all international businesses and was executing his enemies and these type of actions angered the U.S. and it's leaders. Eisenhower even banned all sugar imports from Cuba. And virtually handed Cuba to the Soviets (who were happy to purchase all the sugar, etc., etc.). Castro's "Armageddon Letter" to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missle Crisis is a good example of your irrational behavior beliefs. Here is another:

Quote from Russo's book:

...Halperin quoted Castro as often saying, "We [Cuban revolutionaries] are not agraid of danger. As a matter of fact, we thrive on it. And besides, everyone has to die sooner or later."


This threat was published in the New Orleans paper. Did Oswald read it? I'll wager he most certainly did.


Yes, I also believe that LHO read that article in the N.O. newspaper.
The general claim by the conspiracy advocates - or some of them -  is that Oswald was framed because "they" - the conspirators - wanted a justification for a war with Castro. So a pro-Castro person (whether Oswald was a legitimate Castroite or whether it was his "legend" or cover) was framed - e.g., the Mexico City trip was by an impostor - in order to blame Castro and then it was to be used to eliminate him.

But of course none of that happened. Castro was not blamed, the Soviets were not blamed; in fact, the Warren Commission - a supposed fraudulent investigation - blamed Oswald alone for the act. The assassination wasn't used as a sort of Reichstag fire incident to justify actions by LBJ or Hoover et al. Nothing was done as a result.

Even LBJ's suspicions of Castro's involvement were pushed aside. LBJ didn't ask for an investigation of the matter, he didn't push the CIA or his intelligence people to look into the matter: he did, well, nothing. In fact, Joe Califano, one of his top aides, said he was ordered by LBJ to go to the anti-Castro exiles and tell them to stop their war on Castro, that LBJ was not going to allow a continuation of it.

So the claim that a pro-Castro person was framed in order to justify a removal of Castro completely falls apart. In fact, not only was Castro not blamed, he was cleared of any role.

As to Castro and Che: In addition to the letter to Khrushchev (and he said in his memoirs that when he read it to the Politburo that they were stunned), Che admitted shortly after the crisis was resolved that had he and Fidel had the missiles that they would have launched them. He said he realized that that would have been the end of Cuba - and that millions would have been likely killed in a larger war - but that a strike against "global imperialist aggression" warranted it.  As I said, I don't think Castro ordered the assassination; but I don't think he particularly cared about the consequences of doing so. He was striking the "imperialist monsters" and that justified it.
70
General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 21, 2020, 09:13:39 PM »


"60,000" people by TrumpCount
 


60,000-seat stadium
 


60,000-seat stadium

    Another Boner of yours Jerry. The Rally was held at NIGHT. You are showing us the HUUUUUGE Crowd that was Forced to remain Outside Well Before the Rally even started. Thanks for proving my point!
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8 9 10
Mobile View