JFK Assassination Forum

There's a huge difference between hearing something to your right or behind you. That's ground level. How many eyewitnesses claimed they heard something from up high? Like six stories high?

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Confusing post.

Not unlike the confusing echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza when former Marine sharpshooter Lee Harvey Oswald fired a (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124" and two much easier follow-up shaots at Z-222 and Z-313.

D'oh!

-- Tom

I am not familiar with an "ice bullet" itself or the weapon(s) that possibly fire one.

Perhaps you should look into it, Sonderführer Storing.

It's either that, or they just plum missed.

-- Tom

Joseph Milteer (1902‐1974), of Quitman, GA, was a racist right‐wing extremist activist who hated
President Kennedy insanely and spent his life combating the Civil Rights movement. On Nov. 9, 1963, 13
days before the Kennedy assassination, Milteer had a lengthy conversation in a Miami, FL apartment
with a childhood friend, Willie Somersett, in the course of which Milteer told Somersett about a plot
that was afoot to assassinate JFK. Unknown to Milteer, Somersett, a secret informant for local Miami
police, was surreptitiously tape‐recording the conversation.
 
In that conversation Milteer confided that the killing of Kennedy “was in the working;” that the
president could be killed “From an office building with a high‐powered rifle;” that the rifle could be
“disassembled” to get it into the building; and that “They will pick up somebody within hours
afterward, if anything like that would happen, just to throw the public off.”

How many people were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the planting of false evidence, the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and ongoing!!!) cover up?

Oodles and gobs, or just a few?

I am not sure why you think that Roselle and Scearce's speculations on how difficult it might be to recognize source direction of a gunshot sound are of any value.  They even admit that this comment was speculative.

The fact is that human brains rely on both ears to determine sound source. The brain detects time differences between the arrival of a sound wave at each ear to determine lateral position of the source.  Our ability to detect that a sound is coming from behind instead of the front is facilitated by the shape of our ears.  Here is the Wikipedia page on Sound Localization and here is a paper dealing with experiments on people that may be of interest.  I expect that ability to determine direction of sound is an important survival mechanism that has been highly conserved over millions of years.

The problem with detecting an actual source arises when there are nearby reflective surfaces that cause multiple wave fronts to arrive at the ears at slightly different times. Nevertheless, most witnesses, particularly those near the corner of Elm and Houston, had little difficulty in determining the direction of the source. For example, Dearie Cabell instinctively looked directly up from where she was facing (which was to her right toward the right front seat) and saw the rifle in the 6th floor window as they were already making the turn.  She said (7 H 486):

Mrs. CABELL.. I heard the shot, and without having to turn my head, I jerked my head up.
Mr. HUBERT. Why did you do that?
Mrs. CABELL. Because I heard the direction from which the shot came, and I just jerked my head up.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you see?
Mrs. CABELL. I saw a projection out of one of those windows. Those windows on the sixth floor are in groups of twos.
Mr. HUBERT. In which window did you see the projection?
Mrs. CABELL. I have always been a little confused about that, but I think it was the first window.

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In five studies of earwitnesses' shot locations, the choice "other than the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll" ranged from about 5% in one study (by Stuard Galanor; 111 witnesses), 14% in two studies (by John McAdams, 112, and Josiah Thompson, 75) 26% (by the HSCA, 75), and 50% (in a study by Joel Grant, 104).

After the shooting Oswald is winging it, wandering around Dallas with no purpose. It all seemed so last second.

Exactly how how Joseph Milteer said it would happen...

The soldier was one of Oswald's handlers. Oswald was their target. He had no confederates, only handlers.
I don't understand why everyone thinks he was some kind of cosmopolitan international James Bond.


On Nov. 9, 1963, 13 days before the Kennedy assassination, Milteer had a lengthy conversation in a Miami, FL apartment
with a childhood friend, Willie Somersett, in the course of which Milteer told Somersett about a plot
that was afoot to assassinate JFK. Unknown to Milteer, Somersett, a secret informant for local Miami
police, was surreptitiously tape‐recording the conversation. In that conversation Milteer confided that the killing of Kennedy “was in the working;” that the president could be killed “From an office building with a high‐powered rifle;” that the rifle could be “disassembled” to get it into the building; and that “They will pick up somebody within hours
afterward, if anything like that would happen, just to throw the public off.”

Joseph Milteer stopped by the soldier's house in Mississippi in November of 1973, exactly 10 years after the assassination. They drank a few shots of whiskey and discussed the Citizen's Council. Four months later in February 1974 he was fatally injured in a "camping stove accident".