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How so?

Calvery may even have met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" about 15 seconds after the final shot and continued on her way to the steps when they started walking down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot.

There are many reasons for believing Calvery was the big/tall gal in Zapruder and Betzner-3 (you do agree that the gal standing to the immediate left of John Templin in the Zapruder film is big and tall, don't you?).

Do you agree that the face of the woman I'm referring to in Betzner-3 resembles the face of Gloria Calvery (you can google her name if you have to)?

If you'll go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum, you'll see that not only is the big/tall gal wearing a dark-colored blouse and a dark-colored headscarf and standing next to her dressed in all-white colleague, but that a strip of the big/tall gal's neutral-colored skirt is visible in Couch-Darnell, too.

I could go on and on, but that's enough for now.

Get back to me after you've done some "research" on the issue at the Ed Forum, or maybe even here.

-- Tom

   Calvery MAY even have met Shelley and/or Lovelady NEAR the island....". I have no idea what this Specifically means. "MAY"? "NEAR"?  We are dealing in seconds here. The alleged traveled distance of Calvery in 25 seconds being absolutely critical. Yet, you choose to employ the disclaimers of "May" and "Near"? Not only is this weak choice of wording Not convincing, it also signals that even You have doubt. Thanks again for providing that link to the Ed Forum.

Mr. McCLOY. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you give at this hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. DAY. I do.
.....
Mr. BELIN. Do you know what Commission Exhibit No. 637 is?
Mr. DAY. This is the trace of palmprint I lifted off of the barrel of the gun after I had removed the wood.
Mr. BELIN. Does it have your name on it or your handwriting?
Mr. DAY. It has the name "J. C. Day," and also "11/22/63" written on it in my writing off the underside gun barrel near the end of foregrip, C-2766.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/day1.htm

Umm, yes, but when the WC then looked into Day's story about the palmprint, even they became skeptical, as we know from released WC memos. That's why they asked him to sign a sworn statement reaffirming that he lifted the palmprint. Your arguments are once again decades behind the information curve.

I notice you said nothing about the fact that Day, in violation of DPD procedure and all common sense and competence, incredibly "failed" to take a single photograph of the print on the barrel. He took photos of the worthless trigger-guard prints but not of the alleged palmprint.

I also notice you said nothing about my article on the evidence that the palmprint was planted:

"Was Oswald's Palmprint Planted on the Alleged Murder Weapon?"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NzWhdO-Ak3nbuxl8vsy62-fpLTBMBvPx/view

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Just for fun, I reviewed some of the old Ed Forum threads on these issues. Good God, what a mishmash of uninformed blather and irrelevant tangents. In my first contribution, I – who had no idea what I was talking about – contributed a court case referring to “bank stamps.” I – who had no idea what I was talking about – was warmly welcomed by Sandy!

The case will illustrate what I said on my first post on this thread. It’s United States v. Cambridge Trust Co., 300 F.2d 76 (1st Cir. 1962). Stay with me here.

A guy named Porter purchased 699 PMOs payable to himself. He then cleverly raised the dollar amounts on all of them. A bank called Cambridge Trust Company paid the PMOs and was eventually reimbursed by the Treasury Department. The case is about the Treasury Department wanting its money back from Cambridge Trust.

Here is what I did not grasp at the time: Cambridge Trust was “a Massachusetts state-chartered trust company.” It was not a member of the Federal Reserve System.

As described in my first post here, a state-chartered bank like Cambridge Trust got its PMOs into the Federal Reserve System through its designated clearinghouse bank, here the First National Bank of Boston. First National did not pay Cambridge Trust but simply transmitted the PMOs to the regional Federal Reserve Bank of Boston. There was no need for First National to bank stamp (endorse) the PMOs because it was simply performing a middleman function.

Precisely as described in my first post here, Cambridge Trust did indeed bank stamp the PMOs. That stamp read: “Pay to the Order of Any Bank, Banker or Trust Co. Prior Endorsements Guaranteed Cambridge Trust Company.”

Because I was clueless at the time, I failed to realize the significance of Cambridge Trust being a state-chartered bank and First National being its clearinghouse bank. What occurred was precisely what I described in my first post here.

The Klein’s PMO issue is hereby declared as dead as a vampire with a stake through his heart. I will hear or say no more about it. All honors previously bestowed on the late Sandy, RIP, in connection with this matter are hereby revoked. If the Harvey & Lee loons persist with this nonsense, they are lying frauds.

Which reminds me: Here is the very first factoid I ever busted!

On the recommendation of Walt Brown, I actually bought Harvey & Lee. $80 at the time. It came to me directly from Armstrong in Hawaii. A footnote in the PMO discussion referred to a statement by Robert Wilmouth, Vice President of the First National Bank of Chicago, to the effect that the Klein’s PMO should have bank stamps on the back.

Diligent me checked the footnote. Wilmouth said absolutely, positively NOTHING OF THE KIND. And neither did anyone else. You can read Wilmouth’s statement here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10408#relPageId=199.
This was so blatant that the H&L site was quietly corrected. But all the other bank stamp nonsense remains.

Wilmouth did say that the Klein’s PMO would have gone from the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago to “a central processing center in Kansas City, Missouri.” Neither Little Old Me nor anyone else in the silly debate understood that this was the Postal Service’s auditing center, where PMOs did indeed go before being placed into storage at the federal records center in Alexandria. Lester Gohr of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago clarified that there were actually two auditing centers, Kansas City and Washington, DC: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10408#relPageId=200.

And that’s all I’m going to say about that. Factoid busting is hard, detailed work. When dealing with CTers, you can’t just say “The File Locator Number settles it.” You have to approach the matter as though you were trying to kill a vampire, because you pretty much are.

Of all the unhinged JFK conspiracy theories the notion that Ruth Paine, a Quaker housewife, was the mastermind behind a conspiracy to kill JFK has to rank.  CTers, however, are in a bind since the chain of events that led to Oswald working in the TSBD goes through her and tea parties.  So it must be so, or the chain is broken and their fantasies about a conspiracy disintegrate.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jefferson-morley-platforms-max-good

Jefferson Morley Platforms Max Good

Here is my reply to Max Good about Ruth Paine.