A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys

[Royell Storing]

The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.



Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.



In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.



JohnM

   As we see above in the Couch Film still frame, those 2 figures are headed directly toward the Passenger Train Cars in front of them. That alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop/Haygood is also headed toward those train cars on the Darnell Film. The photos of the "3 Tramps" shows them being marched away from this very same area of the Rail Road Yard.
   Does anyone know how the ID's/Names of the 3 Tramps were attained by DPD? Were their names simply "word of mouth", or did these 3 Tramps carry ID back in 1963?       

[Paul J Cummings]

Two sets of tramps were arrested in the railroad yards. The pictured tramps are Rogers, Harrelson and Chauncey Holt. Lois Gibson identified Holt and Harrelson while the third "Frenchy" was Rogers.

[Royell Storing]

Two sets of tramps were arrested in the railroad yards. The pictured tramps are Rogers, Harrelson and Chauncey Holt. Lois Gibson identified Holt and Harrelson while the third "Frenchy" was Rogers.

      There are No 11/22/63 images of a "Boxcar" being inside the Rail Road Yard. There are 11/22/63 images of "Passenger" train cars inside the RR Yard. This raises 2 questions: (1) How far from the alleged "boxcar" did DPD walk with these 3 Tramps in order for them to be photographed in front of the Huge Gates? (2) Has a "Passenger" train car somehow been confused with a "Boxcar?   

[Paul J Cummings]

I have Chauncey Holt's book but can't access right but does describe in details the path they took to police offices.

[Royell Storing]

The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.



Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.



In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.



JohnM

   The "2 Guys" in the Couch still frame above are moving down the Elm St Extension directly toward a string of "Passenger" train cars in the background. The "3 Tramps" were allegedly found hiding inside a "boxcar" in the Rail Road Yard. Yet, there is a photo of the 3 Tramps being escorted by DPD down this same Elm St Extension. Both the "2 Guys" on the Couch still frame above, and the "3 Tramps" Photo, show all of these individuals to be directly in line with the same string of "passenger" train cars. There are No Images of a "boxcar" inside the Rail Road Yard following the assassination. 

[Tom Graves]

   The "2 Guys" in the Couch still frame above are moving down the Elm St Extension directly toward a string of "Passenger" train cars in the background. The "3 Tramps" were allegedly found hiding inside a "boxcar" in the Rail Road Yard. Yet, there is a photo of the 3 Tramps being escorted by DPD down this same Elm St Extension. Both the "2 Guys" on the Couch still frame above, and the "3 Tramps" Photo, show all of these individuals to be directly in line with the same string of "passenger" train cars. There are No Images of a "boxcar" inside the Rail Road Yard following the assassination.

pOInt beINg?

[Lance Payette]

Since I am in Philosopher (i.e. Epistemologist) mode, I must observe the goofiness here. Royell's "research" is one step above pure unadulterated pareidolia and several steps below Jake Maxwell's photographic essays.

I may be wrong, but I always think Jake's posts are at least slightly "wink wink nudge nudge" tongue-in-cheek. Not entirely, but at least he does seem to have fun with his efforts and to remain steadfastly good-natured in the face of the barbs hurled his way. If I were inclined to invent a Lance sock puppet, it would be someone like Jake who just keeps plowing ahead, amusing himself, and confounding everyone else as to what to make of him.

But not Royell and those like him. No, they are grimly serious. They think they are engaged in cutting-edge research and that the fault is yours if you don't see what they do.

Royell has spotted in the photos and videos that what he calls the Huge Gates may have been open and that a car was parked in front of the TSBD. And that's pretty much it. Everything else is pure pareidolia-level speculation.

The car, Royell says, was a "getaway car." The Huge Gates were "left open" to accommodate the conspirators. The two figures that pretty much everyone else, even other CTers, agrees are Shelley and Lovelady are conspirators en route to a mysterious "boxcar" that lesser researchers have confused with a "passenger" car. I am unable even to follow how this supposedly makes sense in Royell's own mind.

What goes on inside the head of someone who thinks like this? At least to your resident Epistemologist, this question is far more interesting than the supposed bombshell research. What is essentially pareidolia or someone's interpretation of a Rorshach blot becomes "research," "fact" and "theory." In all likelihood, the Huges Gates and car mean precisely nothing insofar as the JFKA are concerned and the two guys are indeed Shelley and Lovelady; to claim more than this 62 years after the event, you would need something far more compelling than "hey, it could be true!"

[Tom Graves]

Since I am in Philosopher (i.e. Epistemologist) mode, I must observe the goofiness here. Royell's "research" is one step above pure unadulterated pareidolia and several steps below Jake Maxwell's photographic essays.

I may be wrong, but I always think Jake's posts are at least slightly "wink wink nudge nudge" tongue-in-cheek. Not entirely, but at least he does seem to have fun with his efforts and to remain steadfastly good-natured in the face of the barbs hurled his way. If I were inclined to invent a Lance sock puppet, it would be someone like Jake who just keeps plowing ahead, amusing himself, and confounding everyone else as to what to make of him.

But not Royell and those like him. No, they are grimly serious. They think they are engaged in cutting-edge research and that the fault is yours if you don't see what they do.

Royell has spotted in the photos and videos that what he calls the Huge Gates may have been open and that a car was parked in front of the TSBD. And that's pretty much it. Everything else is pure pareidolia-level speculation.

The car, Royell says, was a "getaway car." The Huge Gates were "left open" to accommodate the conspirators. The two figures that pretty much everyone else, even other CTers, agrees are Shelley and Lovelady are conspirators en route to a mysterious "boxcar" that lesser researchers have confused with a "passenger" car. I am unable even to follow how this supposedly makes sense in Royell's own mind.

What goes on inside the head of someone who thinks like this? At least to your resident Epistemologist, this question is far more interesting than the supposed bombshell research. What is essentially pareidolia or someone's interpretation of a Rorshach blot becomes "research," "fact" and "theory." In all likelihood, the Huges Gates and car mean precisely nothing insofar as the JFKA are concerned and the two guys are indeed Shelley and Lovelady; to claim more than this 62 years after the event, you would need something far more compelling than "hey, it could be true!"

Dear FPR,

You should cut Sonderführer Storing some slack.

Afterall, he -- like you -- is a supporter of The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx").

-- Tom