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« on: October 15, 2025, 07:47:36 PM »
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    This forum recently had extended discussion surrounding the Lovelady/Shelley ID of 2 individuals on the Couch/Darnell Films. Also included in this same film snippet we see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext toward the railroad yard, and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker running toward/across the "Island".  But we also see a Car. This Car is parked alongside that same island that we see Officer Baker running across. In fact, Baker is almost close enough to reach out and touch that car. Couch and Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. Dave Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1 when he filmed this same "island" as his car turned from Houston St onto Elm St. Roughly 10 seconds earlier. What did the Wiegman Film show of this same car parked alongside the "island"? NOTHING! There is no car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film. This snippet of the Wiegman film shows people standing atop/in front of the island, but directly behind them where this car should be parked is nothing but the surface of the Elm St Ext. So why is this car not on the Wiegman Film vs roughly 10 seconds later it is filmed by Couch/Darnell parked alongside side the island? Obviously, this car was moving down the Elm St Ext toward the corner of Houston/Elm St. during the filming of this Weigman film snippet showing the island. Question is, why was this car in motion down the Elm St Ext. when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, still inside Dealey Plaza?
   15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot, the Hughes Film shows the front steps of the TSBD. This Hughes Film snippet also shows a car parked alongside the island. This could be the very same car. Why would anyone drive a car down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, park alongside the island, and then desert the car for at least 15-20 minutes following the kill shot?
   We see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext checking the bushes on the Couch/Darnell Films. Officer Smith gave WC Testimony that he checked those bushes because a hysterical lady told him they were shooting the president through "the bushes". Bill Newman filed an Affidavit saying, "I thought the shot had come from the "The Garden" directly  behind me..........".  Mal Couch returned on foot to the TSBD roughly 90 seconds after the Kill Shot. Couch gave WC Testimony that when he arrived at the TSBD, "All of those policemen had their pistols pulled. And people were pointing back around "Those Shrubs". I believe that, "the bushes", "the garden" and "those shrubs", is differing descriptions of that stretch of foliage that runs down the Elm St Ext across from the TSBD. 
   I believe that car in question was originally parked alongside, "the bushes/the garden/the shrubs" along the Elm St Ext. I believe that a shooter riding in that car fired a shot(s) through that foliage. He probably used the car to provide additional elevation for the shot(s). This shot(s) missed and account for reports of bullets furrowing into the South Elm St grass, as well as the intense law enforcement scrutiny of the man hole cover area along the (S) Elm St curb. It is also possible that a missed shot from this bushes area is responsible for the curb strike/Tague cheek injury. This weapon was then placed inside the car trunk. The car was moved forward and parked alongside the island on the corner of Elm/Houston in order to permit a quick turn onto Elm St and the exiting of Dealey Plaza. Those inside that parked car alongside the island, then watched DPD Officer Smith running directly toward them as he ran toward the bushes. They also would see DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker making that turn from Houston onto Elm St and then pulling his motorcycle to the curb only feet below them. With a just fired gun in the trunk of their car, and cops all around them, and realizing they would not be able to immediately drive that car away, they quickly vacated the vehicle. Those that exited this car are the same 2 guys we see on the Couch/Darnell Films moving down the Elm St Ext. They both are directly behind Officer Smith and both have their Backs facing Officer Baker. Neither Officer Smith or Officer Baker can see these 2 guys or their faces. 
   I believe this car was retrieved once it was safe to do so. There are a few frames on the Sixth Floor Museum's recent posting of the Darnell Film that do show the front license plate of this car. There is a different color stretching horizontally across the mid point of the license plate. This is exactly where letters/numbers would be. Also, on the Hughes Film snippet showing a car parked alongside the island 15-20 minutes after the assassination, there is, "No Parking At Any Time" signage posted above the car on a signal light pole. It's possible that a DPD Cop issued this car a ticket. This might be traceable.   
         
   
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Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2025, 08:38:32 PM »
There is a car is parked alongside that same island that we see Officer Baker running across. In fact, Baker is almost close enough to reach out and touch it. Couch and Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. Dave Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1 when he filmed this same "island" as his car turned from Houston St onto Elm St. Roughly ten seconds earlier. What did the Wiegman Film show of this same car parked alongside the "island"? NOTHING! There is no car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film.

Dear Comrade Storing,

If you'll go to the 40 second mark of this frame-by-frame slow motion clip of the Wiegman film and watch it through the 53 second mark, I think you'll see the passenger-side headlight, the distinctive "grill" area and part of the front-left panel of the car you're referring to.


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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PM »
Dear Comrade Storing,

If you'll go to the 40 second mark of this frame-by-frame slow motion clip of the Wiegman film and watch it through the 53 second mark, I think you'll see the passenger-side headlight, the distinctive "grill" area and part of the front-left panel of the car you're referring to.


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   I am not sure what you are looking at. Maybe what you are looking at is a car/cars parked on the opposite side of the Elm St Ext and FACING the railroad yard? The car I am referencing is pointed in the wrong direction to permit seeing, "....the front-left panel....".  Based on what I see above, I am examining a better copy of the Wiegman Film than you have posted. The Wiegman Film I use is from, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003) DVD. This JFK Assassination presentation was hosted by Gary Mack. All of the JFK Assassination images that were included in this are extremely detailed. Based on the detail of these JFK Assassination images, I believe that Gary Mack supplied many of them from the Sixth Floor Museum. I am viewing this Wiegman Film on a 55" Vizio 4K Monitor. Everything being relative, this copy of the Wiegman Film is the best I personally have viewed. I frequently view various You Tube JFK Assassination presentations. Viewing images on You Tube is not equivalent to watching it directly from a DVD onto a Large Screen 4K Monitor.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2025, 10:40:45 PM »
I am not sure what you are looking at.

1) Go to the 52 second mark.

2) Pause the video.

3) Look at the driver's side front window of the Chevy in the foreground.

4) See the long white thing that's horizontal to the ground and jutting out to the left from that Chevy's driver's side front window area?

5) What do you think it is?

6) If you don't know, go back to the 40 second mark and watch that area to the 53 second mark as many times as you need to finally "see it."

7) Hint: You can see the car's grill area and the passenger-side headlight at the 42 second mark.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2025, 11:16:38 PM »
  Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films,  the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.   
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2025, 12:56:28 AM »
  Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films,  the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.   

Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).

Good!

Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".

You can see that, right?

Good!

I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.

Please let me know if you need any more assistance.

-- Tom
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2025, 06:50:07 AM »
Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).

Good!

Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".

You can see that, right?

Good!

I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.

Please let me know if you need any more assistance.

-- Tom

   For starters, it is ILLEGAL to park alongside the Island. The Hughes Film shows a car parked in the same position alongside the Island about 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Above that car is a sign attached to the Traffic Light Pole that reads, "No Parking at any time". Just look at the feet of the people standing on the Island. You can see the Street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would Not be able to see the street. A car parked behind them would block the view of the street. What you are seeing is a car on the other side of the street. It is pointed toward the railroad yard. You are seeing the (L) rear fender/tail light/trunk of a car on the other side of the street, close to the Huge Gates.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2025, 08:13:30 AM »
Just look at the feet of the people standing on the "island." You can see the street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would not be able to see the street.

I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.
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