A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys

[Tom Graves]

Thanks to Tom for identification of the “Getaway Car” as a 1958 Pontiac Bonneville sedan. For my 3D model I was able to make texture maps of that model. Texture maps are 2D and can be placed in my 3D model but not as solid objects. I pasted the sides, front and rear texture maps to form a perimeter of the car. See the elevated view attachment.

My goal was to model this into a simulated Wiegman frame overlay with an actual Wiegman frame. I spent one or two days trying to fit the model to a Death in Dealey Plaza (DiDP) frame without success. I finally remembered that DiDP frames were asymmetrically cropped, and aspect ratio compromised. I used a NFV video frame for the full frame that worked pretty good with the model.  The second attachment summarizes that overlay, with varying amount of transparency.   

These renderings are updates to previous versions.

James

James,

I may be wrong, but I think Royell's "Getaway Car" is too far to the left in your lower montage.

I say this for two reasons:

1) In Wiegman, the "rocket ship exhaust" design on the side of the car by "Fedora Man's" crossed arm looks wide and therefore nearer the end of the car, and

2) We can see the somewhat rounded end of the "Getaway Car" where it is darker colored than the light-colored car across Elm Street Extension and with which it visually merges to a certain degree.

Regardless, keep up the good work!

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  Fedora Man was NOT standing in the street. And the "getaway" car is 17+ feet long and 5 feet high. If it was there, it would stand out like nobody's business.
  You can see the surface street behind Fedora Man. There is nothing behind him. And the surface street we are seeing behind Fedora Man is identical to the surface street we see behind the ladies to the (R) of the Island.

[Tom Graves]

Fedora Man was not standing in the street.

Who said that he was?

And the "getaway" car is 17+ feet long and 5 feet high. If it was there, it would stand out like nobody's business.

The people are blocking our view of it.
 

You can see the surface street behind Fedora Man.

No, you can't.

There is nothing behind him.

Your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" is behind him, but we can only see a small part of it to the left of his crossed arm.

And the surface street we are seeing behind Fedora Man is identical to the surface street we see behind the ladies standing in the street to the (R) of the Island.

Huh?

[Royell Storing]

The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.



Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.



In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.



JohnM

   The "getaway" car is estimated to be 17.5 FEET LONG. Yet, the baseless claim is being made that this 17.5 FOOT LONG Car is actually parked behind Fedora Man. We just can not see it.  The largest Civil War Canon was 12 Feet Long. So, if there had been a 12 FOOT LONG CANON sitting behind Fedora Man, it too would have been missing from the Wiegman Film? This is how unbelievable this claim is. The images filmed by Wiegman as his camera car turned the corner and he panned the camera speak for themselves. Those images are reality. They have been for 62+ years.     

[James Hackerott]

James,

I may be wrong, but I think Royell's "Getaway Car" is too far to the left in your lower montage.

I say this for two reasons:

1) In Wiegman, the "rocket ship exhaust" design on the side of the car by "Fedora Man's" crossed arm looks wide and therefore nearer the end of the car, and

2) We can see the somewhat rounded end of the "Getaway Car" where it is darker colored than the light-colored car across Elm Street Extension and with which it visually merges to a certain degree.

Regardless, keep up the good work!

-- Tom

Tom,
The car was placed consistent with the Robert Hughes film of the TSBD doorway at about 12:40. I could be a few inches off, but not feet.

The “light-colored car,” if real, would be parked lengthwise in front of the Huge Gates. A car was not parked  there, but further east in the Martin film of the Euins/Harkness scene. There is no car parked there in the Wiegman film. No red tail light or car is there.  We are only seeing the Bonneville in Wiegman. Some of the “features” on the car in the gap are due to shadows from the Live Oak Tree.

James

[James Hackerott]

  Fedora Man was NOT standing in the street. And the "getaway" car is 17+ feet long and 5 feet high. If it was there, it would stand out like nobody's business.
  You can see the surface street behind Fedora Man. There is nothing behind him. And the surface street we are seeing behind Fedora Man is identical to the surface street we see behind the ladies to the (R) of the Island.

Royell,
The spec height of the Bonneville is 55”. Parked on the Elm Extension against a 9” curb puts the apparent height to Wiegman as 46”, not 5 feet.

[Charles Collins]

Tom,
The car was placed consistent with the Robert Hughes film of the TSBD doorway at about 12:40. I could be a few inches off, but not feet.

The “light-colored car,” if real, would be parked lengthwise in front of the Huge Gates. A car was not parked  there, but further east in the Martin film of the Euins/Harkness scene. There is no car parked there in the Wiegman film. No red tail light or car is there.  We are only seeing the Bonneville in Wiegman. Some of the “features” on the car in the gap are due to shadows from the Live Oak Tree.

James

Hi James, excellent work as always. Here’s a crop from a very clear photo by William Allen taken on 11/22/63 during the three tramps walk through Dealey Plaza. Royell claims the car in question didn’t move at all before the Allen photo was taken. I have drawn yellow arrows pointing at the rear bumper and taillight. You can line that up with the opening for the large gates and the pole for the highway numbers sign. I believe that Allen’s position was a few feet ENE of Tina Towner’s filming position on the SW corner of Elm & Houston streets. I hope this might help clarify the position of the car.