JFK Assassination Forum

  Say what? The Dem's are now claiming that the 2024 POTUS Election was rigged. The Dem's have absolutely Nothing going for them. They're so bankrupt in the area of ideas that they are Now repeating Trump claims. The "conspiracy" claims are now the property of the Dem Party. Lock/Stock/Barrel

My two-cents:

- Most of the first generation Warren Commission critics were Leftists. In fact, the term "Deep State" and other broad criticisms of the US national security state were predominantly used by Leftwingers prior to Donald Trump's emergence in American national politics.

- You seem to ignore or downplay how conspiracy theories in general have become more common among Rightwingers today. Q-Anon, Pizzagate, Jewish Space Lasers, The Great Replacement theory, Obama was born in Kenya, etc are all theories that gained popularity on the Right over the past 5-10 years. So let's not pretend that conspiracy theories are exclusively a Leftwing problem.

- Prior to Trump's emergence on the political scene, the JFK assassination CT community was mostly non-partisan. Sadly, that has begun to change as Democrats now generally defend the national security state as part of their opposition to Trump while Republicans more commonly criticize the FBI and CIA due to the handling of "Russiagate" and other national security scandals involving Trump.

- I have long been aware of your conservative political views but still read your essays and respected your research on the Kennedy assassination in spite of our political differences.

- Are you disappointed in the way Trump has handled the Epstein stuff?

Again, I answered you and Organ on this issue. Your whole argument boils down to claiming that the difference in camera angles explains the serious and readily apparent conflict between Jackie's position in relation Hill in Z375/380 and her position in the corresponding Nix frame. IOW, you're saying this serious conflict is really just a remarkable optical illusion caused by the difference in the camera angles. And I say that this argument is invalid, that the camera angles are not different enough to explain the obvious conflict between Z375/380 and the Nix frame.

Griffith,

Please remind me.

How many bad guys and bad gals do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, the film-and x-ray-altering, and the all-important (and continuing!!!) cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

Which is more plausible?

That a former Marine sharpshooter with a "clunky"-but-accurate bolt-action rifle at the TSBD's sixth-floor south-east-corner window killed JFK by hitting him with two shots fired about five seconds apart at 80 and 90 yards, respectively, while JFK was moving slowly and almost directly away down a slight grade in an open convertible

--OR--

That Oswald was just a "patsy," and there were actually TWO shooters, one of whom fired from the above-described "Sniper's Nest" (or from a building behind the TSBD to make it look as though he had), and that they and oodles and gobs of their co-conspirators framed the former Marine sharpshooter by planting false evidence against him and have succeeded in covering up their participation in the assassination to this day?

It must have been the latter, right?

LOL!

Rather was asked about his, let's be charitable, inaccurate description of what the film showed and said this (this is from Alexandra Zapruder's book on the film):

So, I was right -- the poor guy got to see the clip only one time.

No wonder he made so many mistakes -- like saying in so many words, "JBC was clearly shot when he was turned around, reaching towards the President."

At least his syntax, grammar and vocabulary were pretty good.

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Here's his 5:21-long version:

We have just returned from seeing a complete motion picture of the moments immediately preceding, and the moments of, President Kennedy's assassination. The motion picture shows the limousine, carrying in the front seat two Secret Service men, in the middle or jump-seat, Governor and Mrs. John Connally of Texas, and in the rear seat President and Mrs. Kennedy, a single Secret Service man standing on the back bumper. The top of the black Lincoln convertible down. The car made a turn, a left turn, off of Houston Street onto Elm Street on the fringe of Dallas's downtown area, that turn made directly below the 6th floor window from which the assassin's bullets came. After the left turn was completed, the automobile, with only one car in front of it -- a Secret Service car immediately in front -- the President's car proceeded about 35 yards from the base of the building in which the assassin was. President Kennedy and Governor Connally were seated on the same side of the open car, the side facing the building; Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Connally on the side opposite the assassin. President Kennedy is clearly shown to put his right hand up to the side of his face, as if to either brush back his hair or perhaps rub his eyebrow. Mrs. Kennedy at that instant is looking away, that is not looking at the president. At almost that instant, when the President has his hand up to the side of his face, he lurches forward -- something in this manner.  The first shot had hit him. Mrs. Kennedy appeared not to notice. Governor Connally, in the seat right in front of the President -- and by the way, the Governor had his suit coat open –- his suit was not buttoned -- perhaps either heard the shot or somehow he knew that something was wrong because the picture shows just after that first shot hit the President, the Governor turned in something this manner with his right arm outstretched back towards the President as if to say “what's wrong” or “what happened,” or to say something, and exposed the entire white front shirt of the Governor to the full view of the assassin’s window, and as the Governor was in this position and President Kennedy, behind him, was slumped slightly over, a shot clearly hit the front of Governor Connally and the Governor fell back, over towards his wife. Mrs. Connally immediately put herself over her husband in a protective position, and as she did so, in the back seat this time with Mrs. Kennedy's eyes apparently [unintelligible], the second shot -- the third shot in all -- the second shot hit the President's head. His head went forward in a violent motion, pushing it down like this. Mrs. Kennedy was on her feet immediately. The President fell over in this direction. It appeared that his head probably brushed or hit against Mrs. Kennedy's legs. The First Lady almost immediately tried to crawl on, and did crawl onto, the trunk of the car, face-down, her whole body almost was on that trunk in something (sic) that all fours position. She appeared to desperately be trying to get the attention of the Secret Service man on the back bumper, or perhaps she was stretching out toward him to grab him, try to get him in, or perhaps even to get herself out of the car. The car was moving all the time; the car never stopped. The Secret Service man on the back bumper leaned way over and put his hands on Mrs. Kennedy's shoulders. She appeared to be in some danger of falling or rolling off that trunk lid. He pushed her into the back seat of the car. In the front seat a Secret Service man with a phone in his hand. The car speeded it up and sped away. It never stopped; it never paused. That's what the film of the assassination showed. The film was taken by an amateur photographer who had placed himself in an advantageous position. Eight-millimeter color film. This is Dan Rather in Dallas.