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General Discussion & Debate / The number three CT nightmare question ...
« Last post by Jorn Frending on April 04, 2020, 12:40:55 PM »
When is a CT successful?

A) when proving a conspiracy?

Oswald could not have come down the stairs without being seen thus it must have been a conspiracy, we can all go home now

B) When proving not only conspiracy but proving also who actually pulled the trigger.

Whatever circumstance debunking the LN scenario is useless unless you prove who did it, how he did it and who was behind it.

C) When presenting a general pattern which makes sense relating a bigger number of events to each other without one single event destroying the entire pattern.

This method may not give instant satisfaction but allow for teamwork and help to establish which area of investigation to concentrate on.

If a CT does not know what to expect from himself how does he know what to expect from other CT's.

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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Last post by Rick Plant on April 04, 2020, 12:37:11 PM »
Trump fires intelligence community watchdog who defied him on whistleblower complaint

Donald Trump has fired the intelligence community’s chief watchdog, Michael Atkinson, who was the first to sound the alarm to Congress last September about an “urgent” complaint he received from an intelligence official involving Trump’s communications with Ukraine’s president.

Atkinson's decision set in motion the congressional probe that culminated in Trump's impeachment and ultimate acquittal in a bruising political and legal drama that consumed Washington for months.

Trump formally notified the Senate and House Intelligence Committees of his intention to fire Atkinson, to take effect 30 days from Friday, according to two congressional officials and a copy of the letter obtained by POLITICO dated April 3.

“This is to advise that I am exercising my power as president to remove from office the inspector general of the intelligence community, effective 30 days from today,” the president wrote.

Trump said in the letter that he “no longer” has the fullest confidence in Atkinson. “As is the case with regard to other positions where I, as president, have the power of appointment, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, it is vital that I have the fullest confidence in the appointees serving as inspectors general,” he wrote. “That is no longer the case with regard to this inspector general.”

Trump added that he would be submitting a new nominee for the position to the Senate “at a later date.”

Democrats immediately blasted the move as an abuse of power at a dangerous time for the United States.

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, called Atkinson’s firing “unconscionable,” and accused the president of an ongoing effort to politicize intelligence.

“In the midst of a national emergency, it is unconscionable that the president is once again attempting to undermine the integrity of the intelligence community by firing yet another intelligence official simply for doing his job,” Warner said in a statement.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) described the firing as “retribution” coming in the “dead of night” and called it “yet another blatant attempt by the president to gut the independence of the intelligence community and retaliate against those who dare to expose presidential wrongdoing.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Atkinson’s ouster was evidence that Trump “fires people for telling the truth.”

Mark Zaid, a national security lawyer who represented the Ukraine whistleblower, called the firing “delayed retaliatory action” for Atkinson’s “proper handling of a whistleblower complaint.”

“This action is disgraceful and undermines the integrity of the whistleblower system,” Zaid said. “It is time GOP members of the Senate stand up for the rule of law and speak out against this president.”

According to a congressional source, Atkinson was only informed on Friday evening that he had been fired. He was immediately placed on administrative leave, the source added, which allows the Trump administration to “effectively circumvent” a law requiring 30 days notice to the congressional intelligence committees.

The whistleblower complaint effectively kicked off the House’s impeachment inquiry, which began in late September amid allegations that Trump had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 election when he asked Ukraine’s president to investigate his political opponents, including Joe Biden.

Atkinson opposed the decision by then-acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire to withhold the whistleblower complaint from the House and Senate intelligence committees — in particular, Maguire’s decision to seek guidance on the issue from the Justice Department, rather than turn it over to Congress as required by law.

The impasse highlighted the fact that whistleblower protection laws never envisioned a scenario in which the director of national intelligence would withhold a complaint from lawmakers — especially one the inspector general had deemed “urgent” after investigating the matter. Nor did they envision a scenario in which an intelligence agent would blow the whistle on the president, whose unique legal status made the situation unprecedented.

Atkinson was nominated by Trump in November 2017 after serving 16 years at the Justice Department. The inspector general conducts investigations and reviews of activities within the purview of the director of national intelligence, and also handles whistleblower complaints from within the intelligence community.

The issue of whistleblower protection was a central focus of Atkinson’s confirmation hearing, where he pledged to establish “a safe program where whistleblowers do not have fear of retaliation and where they’re confident that the system will treat them fairly and impartially.”

Atkinson's removal follows that of Maguire, who was removed after his staff briefed members of Congress about Russian interference in the 2020 campaign.

Maguire was replaced in the acting role by Richard Grenell, Trump's fiercely loyal ambassador to Germany. Weeks into the job, Grenell has plowed ahead with a series of internal changes despite the president announcing a permanent pick for the director of national intelligence post, Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas).

Those moves led to furious denunciations from Democrats and a relatively cool reception from Republicans, who have nonetheless signaled that they will not oppose Ratcliffe.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/trump-fires-intelligence-community-inspector-general-164287
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: Don't get bit.....
« Last post by Charles Collins on April 04, 2020, 12:11:15 PM »
One glance at the reply column  reveals that I'm not venturing out where that novel Corona bug can bite me.   And I've read all my books.....TV bores me, so I'm spending a lot of time here harassing the opposition.   But I'd appreciate it if there was more good, intelligent,   posts to respond to.


I'm spending a lot of time here harassing the opposition.

Try posting your own “good intelligent posts.” And less time harassing others...
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Sometimes speaking truth to power (or in the Yates case, powerless) can have an effect on the unsubscribed onlookers of Duncan's Forum.  There are Hitler forums, too, as well as Stalin and Lenin and (my favourite) Leon Trotsky forums.  All in many languages....... earth is the universe made to see if we can get along.  How's that working so far?  No, wait......

Kennedy was killed by Oswald.  He killed Tippit.  He almost killed The Walker Case........ they should have let him bleed out when he tried to kill himself in the USSR.  He was a total loser who beat his wife and abused his momma.  I wish he had never been born.....

Can you let me know tonight's lottery numbers, Mark. You seem to know everything.
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...and you never, ever disappoint the ROKC contributors to the Doyle = "zoo oddity" thread on their forum.
Sometimes speaking truth to power (or in the Yates case, powerless) can have an effect on the unsubscribed onlookers of Duncan's Forum.  There are Hitler forums, too, as well as Stalin and Lenin and (my favourite) Leon Trotsky forums.  All in many languages....... earth is the universe made to see if we can get along.  How's that working so far?  No, wait......

Kennedy was killed by Oswald.  He killed Tippit.  He almost killed The Walker Case........ they should have let him bleed out when he tried to kill himself in the USSR.  He was a total loser who beat his wife and abused his momma.  I wish he had never been born.....
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: In Search of the Childhood Lee
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on April 04, 2020, 08:49:46 AM »
How did "they" keep the "other Marguerite" out of city directories? How much did the years long "concealment" cost? Who paid for the OP and its participants?



Dang....... NEW research !!!   What a concept.  Thine Intelligence reeks like surstroming...... (a compliment, bytheway.  hoping today finds you and yours and the Chef well!)  Colonavilus !!!!  Colonavilus!!   There no such ting, you are misconstrued, need bowl of noodles....... no, wait..... that ain't racist, is it, Tom?  Trump needs to suey Pelosi for defamation of calacter.....
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: In Search of the Childhood Lee
« Last post by Tom Scully on April 04, 2020, 05:10:36 AM »

How did "they" keep the "other Marguerite" out of city directories? How much did the years long "concealment" cost? Who paid for the OP and its participants?

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Off Topic / Re: My Corona
« Last post by Jerry Freeman on April 04, 2020, 04:15:53 AM »
A few cases should last ya'--------------------------------------------
 http://www.tiktok.com/@uncorked/video/6804259399561972997
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Off Topic / Re: My Corona
« Last post by Jerry Freeman on April 04, 2020, 04:07:18 AM »
Due to the current financial situation caused by the Corona Virus and slowdown in the economy, the Government has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 50 years of age and above on early, mandatory retirement, thus creating jobs for younger folks and reducing unemployment.

This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).

Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to the Government to be considered for the SHAFT program (Special Help After Forced Termination).

Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW program (System Covering Retired-Early Workers).

A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as the Government deems appropriate.

Persons who have been RAPED could get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependents & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early Severance).

Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by the Government.

Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on will receive as much SHIT (Special High Intensity Training) as possible. The Government has always prided themselves on the amount of SHIT they give our citizens.

Should you feel that you do not receive enough SHIT, please bring this to the attention of your TD, who has been trained to give you all the SHIT you can handle.

Sincerely,
The Committee for Economic Value of Individual Lives (E.V.I.L.)

PS - Due to Corona Virus, recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil, as well as current market conditions, The Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off.
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General Discussion & Debate / Re: The number one CT nightmare question ...
« Last post by Jerry Freeman on April 04, 2020, 03:32:36 AM »
Ok....You've asked a couple of very interesting rhetorical questions ....now back off and let's hear the answers.....
Yeah...uh Walt--- Mr O'Brians account has been suspended for about a year [for some reason] It was his belief that Edwin Walker planned the entire event. I know for absolute certain that the General was not sorry to see JFK go.
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