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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: John Corbett on February 24, 2026, 09:52:38 PM
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I haven't been a regular contributor on any online forum regarding the JFK assassination in about five years. I don't know why but I just recently decided to revisit the subject. I've browsed this forum and others and one thing I have definitely noticed is the volume of posts is way down from what I saw when I was a regular contributor. I regularly participated in two Google Groups forums, alt.assassination.jfk (moderated by John McAdams) and alt.conspiracy.jfk(unmoderated). Both forums would see quite a few new topics started each day and it would not be unusual to see some topics get dozens of posts each day. As of 4:30 ET today, I see only 6 topics that have had any activity at all today and those that have only have one or two posts. I've looked at a few of the other online discussion groups and they seem to have even less activity than this one.
I began discussing the JFK assassination and conspiracy theories online shortly after Oliver Stone's movie came out. I participated on and off in various forums for about 30 years and had walked away from them about five years ago. I can say without hesitation that I've never seen such a low level of interest in the subject of JFK's assassination. It is not surprising given that it has been over 62 years since it happened. That is the same time span as the one between JFK's assassination and McKinley's assassination. IOW, both are ancient history to anyone under 70 years old. I was in 7th grade when JFK died and am now 74. Why would anyone from younger generations have much interest in the subject. Why would anyone who doesn't remember JFK when he was alive bother to argue about how he died.
History books and online sources mostly identify Oswald as the assassin while recognizing that there is a significant percentage of the American people who don't believe he acted alone. The fact that many doubt this doesn't mean they are obsessed about it. Most of them go about their daily lives without ever giving the question a thought. I've had periods where I was among those people but for reasons I can't explain, I keep coming back. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any discussion groups with significant activity probably means my own interest won't last for long.
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I haven't been a regular contributor on any online forum regarding the JFK assassination in about five years. I don't know why but I just recently decided to revisit the subject. I've browsed this forum and others and one thing I have definitely noticed is the volume of posts is way down from what I saw when I was a regular contributor. I regularly participated in two Google Groups forums, alt.assassination.jfk (moderated by John McAdams) and alt.conspiracy.jfk(unmoderated). Both forums would see quite a few new topics started each day and it would not be unusual to see some topics get dozens of posts each day. As of 4:30 ET today, I see only 6 topics that have had any activity at all today and those that have only have one or two posts. I've looked at a few of the other online discussion groups and they seem to have even less activity than this one.
I began discussing the JFK assassination and conspiracy theories online shortly after Oliver Stone's movie came out. I participated on and off in various forums for about 30 years and had walked away from them about five years ago. I can say without hesitation that I've never seen such a low level of interest in the subject of JFK's assassination. It is not surprising given that it has been over 62 years since it happened. That is the same time span as the one between JFK's assassination and McKinley's assassination. IOW, both are ancient history to anyone under 70 years old. I was in 7th grade when JFK died and am now 74. Why would anyone from younger generations have much interest in the subject. Why would anyone who doesn't remember JFK when he was alive bother to argue about how he died.
History books and online sources mostly identify Oswald as the assassin while recognizing that there is a significant percentage of the American people who don't believe he acted alone. The fact that many doubt this doesn't mean they are obsessed about it. Most of them go about their daily lives without ever giving the question a thought. I've had periods where I was among those people but for reasons I can't explain, I keep coming back. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any discussion groups with significant activity probably means my own interest won't last for long.
Interest wanes because alleged JFK Assassination "researchers" continue pounding on the same tired drums. I instead have gone where, "no man has gone before": (1) The Elm St Extension, and (2) The Railroad Yard. This virgin ground has led me to the 2 Newest JFK Assassination Discoveries in decades. (1) A Car rolling down the Elm St Ext while shots were being fired, and (2) An Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell inside the railroad yard. Each of these discoveries proves a JFK Assassination Conspiracy.
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I think you are roughly right; in part this inevitable as the JFKA recedes into the past. The people who really care about the JFKA, and even the larger topic of that fascinating period of history, are dying off.
The Education Forum had some action until recently, but has become inhospitable after inexplicably elevating one of its most TDS-ish, rigid and annoying members to become a moderator, resulting in about a dozen or so regular or frequent participants to slack off (or get banned). There is a smaller number of regular participants left, one obsessed with Nazis and another with the sex lives of pols and LBJ (and Jews).
Some JFKA commentators, in their Substack or other forums, are so desperate for readers they go to TDS or anti-Semitic tropes to garner eyeballs rather than the JFKA. Unfortunately, this is also rife inside the Ed Forum. Jeff Morley took to the Tucker Carlson show to dogwhistle "Mossad did it."
So, the JFKA research community is dwindling, and some are sinking into the bile they exude.
I still hold it is plausible that LHO had confederates, based upon my layman's read on the Z-film (JBC shot at Z-295 and JFK at Z-313).
Caveat emptorr, and draw your own conclusions.
The JFKA remains an interesting topic for me, but I am also an old man, and who knows how many moons are left.
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I haven't been a regular contributor on any online forum regarding the JFK assassination in about five years. I don't know why but I just recently decided to revisit the subject. I've browsed this forum and others and one thing I have definitely noticed is the volume of posts is way down from what I saw when I was a regular contributor. I regularly participated in two Google Groups forums, alt.assassination.jfk (moderated by John McAdams) and alt.conspiracy.jfk(unmoderated). Both forums would see quite a few new topics started each day and it would not be unusual to see some topics get dozens of posts each day. As of 4:30 ET today, I see only 6 topics that have had any activity at all today and those that have only have one or two posts. I've looked at a few of the other online discussion groups and they seem to have even less activity than this one.
I began discussing the JFK assassination and conspiracy theories online shortly after Oliver Stone's movie came out. I participated on and off in various forums for about 30 years and had walked away from them about five years ago. I can say without hesitation that I've never seen such a low level of interest in the subject of JFK's assassination. It is not surprising given that it has been over 62 years since it happened. That is the same time span as the one between JFK's assassination and McKinley's assassination. IOW, both are ancient history to anyone under 70 years old. I was in 7th grade when JFK died and am now 74. Why would anyone from younger generations have much interest in the subject. Why would anyone who doesn't remember JFK when he was alive bother to argue about how he died.
History books and online sources mostly identify Oswald as the assassin while recognizing that there is a significant percentage of the American people who don't believe he acted alone. The fact that many doubt this doesn't mean they are obsessed about it. Most of them go about their daily lives without ever giving the question a thought. I've had periods where I was among those people but for reasons I can't explain, I keep coming back. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any discussion groups with significant activity probably means my own interest won't last for long.
I was 12 years old in 1988 watched the NOVA special with Walter Cronkite and that started my interest in the case. The next day I visited the library and got six seconds in Dallas and best evidence to read. There were many good programs on for the 25th anniversary. 38 years later many of the old timers are long gone, and the younger generations could care less.
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I was 12 years old in 1988 watched the NOVA special with Walter Cronkite and that started my interest in the case. The next day I visited the library and got six seconds in Dallas and best evidence to read. There were many good programs on for the 25th anniversary. 38 years later many of the old timers are long gone, and the younger generations could care less.
The book should be titled "10.2 Seconds in Dallas," because that's how long it took Oswald to fire all three shots.
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The book should be titled "10.2 Seconds in Dallas," because that's how long it took Oswald to fire all three shots.
There is both film and physical evidence proving the existence of "BIG FOOT". There is ZERO evidence proving a 10.2 second firing time for 3 shots from the sniper's nest. This shows how ridiculous this claimed extended firing time is.
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There is both film and physical evidence proving the existence of "BIG FOOT". There is ZERO evidence proving a 10.2 second firing time for 3 shots from the sniper's nest. This shows how ridiculous this claimed extended firing time is.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Read it and weep.
https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Read it and weep.
https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol
-- Tom
"ESTIMATE" gunshot sound? I ask for EVIDENCE, and this is ALL you got? Laughable.
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"ESTIMATE" gunshot sound? I ask for EVIDENCE, and this is ALL you got? Laughable.
yES yOU ARE, Sonderführer Storing, yeS yOu ARE.
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You need to get in touch with Max. He understands how to present a flim-flam. You on the other hand have somehow managed to take his "Gone With The Wind" and turn it into, "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World". You're not helping the man.
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The book should be titled "10.2 Seconds in Dallas," because that's how long it took Oswald to fire all three shots.
It is difficult to fix the time span of the shots without knowing when the first shot was fired and we have no definitive evidence in the Z-film for that. However, there are clues such as the visible reactions of JBC and Rosemary Willis. What we don't know is how quickly they reacted. To me, the best indication of when the first shot was fired was the jiggle of Zapruder's camera at frame 158. Since the distance from the muzzle of Oswald's rifle and Zapruder's ears is a constant, we should expect a similar time lag between when each shot was fired and when Zapruder reacted. This indicates a time lag of about 6-7 frames although we shouldn't expect that number to be an integer. A jiggle at 158 indicates to me a shot fired about 151-152. That works out to a total time frame for all three shots to be about 8.7 seconds. Granted, this is an educated guess given that it is based on the premise that the jiggle of Zapruder's camera at 158 was in reaction to the sound of the first shot, but to me that is the best evidence we have for when the first shot was fired.
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Interest wanes because alleged JFK Assassination "researchers" continue pounding on the same tired drums. I instead have gone where, "no man has gone before": (1) The Elm St Extension, and (2) The Railroad Yard. This virgin ground has led me to the 2 Newest JFK Assassination Discoveries in decades. (1) A Car rolling down the Elm St Ext while shots were being fired, and (2) An Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell inside the railroad yard. Each of these discoveries proves a JFK Assassination Conspiracy.
How does a photograph establish that a car was rolling down the Elm St. extension and what is your evidence the photo was taken during the shooting?
Even if we accept your premises of the car on the Elm St. extension and a motorcycle cop in the railroad yard, how would either of those prove a conspiracy?
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Read it and weep.
https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol
-- Tom
An interesting article. In the past I have used the terms reflexive and cognitive to describe reactions where your article speaks of voluntary and involuntary. Unless I am misunderstanding, I think we are talking about the same thing. Cognitive reactions take longer and are a less reliable way of determining the timing of events because they involve a thought process and that can vary. For example, we see cognitive reactions by JBC and Rosemary Willis to the sound of the first shot. JBC's reaction began at frame 164 whereas Rosemary Willis' reaction began at about 171. I believe it was during filming of hunting programs, perhaps the American Sportsman, it was shown that a cameraman will jiggle his camera in reaction to the sound of a high powered rifle shot. It is an involuntary reaction and one that will occur even when the cameraman is expecting the gunshot. The problem with applying jiggle analysis to the Zapruder film is that while every gunshot will be followed by a jiggle, not every jiggle is caused by a gunshot. It is my belief that the camera jiggle at frame 158 is a reaction to the first shot but I cannot prove that to be a fact.
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I still hold it is plausible that LHO had confederates, based upon my layman's read on the Z-film (JBC shot at Z-295 and JFK at Z-313).
While it is theoretically possible Oswald could have had an accomplice, I wouldn't say it is plausible. In 62 years, no one has produced a scrap of evidence that Oswald had even a single accomplice in his crime.
I am curious as to what your evidence is that JBC was struck at Z295. He was reacting well before that. He had a reflexive reaction at frame Z226 when his right arm suddenly flipped up followed by his body twisting to his right. Z226 was the same frame JFK's arms started upward.
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How does a photograph establish that a car was rolling down the Elm St. extension and what is your evidence the photo was taken during the shooting?
Even if we accept your premises of the car on the Elm St. extension and a motorcycle cop in the railroad yard, how would either of those prove a conspiracy?
What "photograph" are you referencing above? With respect to image evidence, I use Assassination Films and still frames from those films. Both the "getaway" car and the "No Glove Cop" are extremely involved stories. A broad based JFK Assassination Foundation is mandatory to understand how my 2 discoveries "prove a conspiracy". For starters, I ask that you familiarize yourself with the Officer Haygood WC Testimony. We can then begin to discuss my "No Glove Cop" discovery after that. This is why these 2 discoveries have been missed for 62+ years. People just do not want to put the work in. Are you willing to put the work in?
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There is both film and physical evidence proving the existence of "BIG FOOT".
An unintentional Quote Of The Year candidate from laughable amateur JFK assassination photo analyst Royell Storing...
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I welcome being taken out of context. It reveals how one sided in my favor the issue(s) under discussion is.
I have supplied far more Evidence supporting: (1) "No Glove Cop", and, (2) "Car" traveling down the Elm St Extension while shot(s) were being fired vs (1) "Lost Bullet" having struck a traffic signal support beam while Zapruder was Not Filming. This matchup is a Mike Tyson TKO in Rd 1.
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An interesting article. In the past I have used the terms reflexive and cognitive to describe reactions where your article speaks of voluntary and involuntary. Unless I am misunderstanding, I think we are talking about the same thing. Cognitive reactions take longer and are a less reliable way of determining the timing of events because they involve a thought process and that can vary. For example, we see cognitive reactions by JBC and Rosemary Willis to the sound of the first shot. JBC's reaction began at frame 164 whereas Rosemary Willis' reaction began at about 171. I believe it was during filming of hunting programs, perhaps the American Sportsman, it was shown that a cameraman will jiggle his camera in reaction to the sound of a high-powered rifle shot. It is an involuntary reaction and one that will occur even when the cameraman is expecting the gunshot. The problem with applying jiggle analysis to the Zapruder film is that while every gunshot will be followed by a jiggle, not every jiggle is caused by a gunshot. It is my belief that the camera jiggle at frame 158 is a reaction to the first shot but I cannot prove that to be a fact.
Roselle and Scearce have JBC and Rosemary Willis reacting cognitively / voluntarily at Z-150 and Z-140, respectively.
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I have supplied far more evidence supporting the "no-glove policeman" bad guy and the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car's traveling down Elm Street Extension while a shot or shots were being fired versus Max Holland's "Lost Bullet" having struck a traffic signal mast arm while Zapruder wasn't filming.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Max Holland is probably wrong that Oswald's first, missing-everything shot was fired at hypothetical "Z-107" and glanced off the traffic signal's mast arm, but since Elsie Dorman said she temporarily stopped filming right after she heard the first shot, he's still right that said shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming (after a 17-second pause) at Z-133.
Roselle and Scearce are almost certainly right that, based on the conscious / voluntary reaction times of seven prime witness, Oswald's first shot was at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming.
https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf
-- Tom
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So you automatically attach that possible early shot/Lost Bullet to the sniper's nest? You've "jumped the shark" right outta the box.
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So, you automatically attach that possible early missed-shot to the Sniper's Nest?
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Of course.
Afterall, most of the witnesses heard three shots, the three guys on the fifth floor heard three spent shells hit the floor above them as well as the working of the bolt three times on the short-rifle, Robert Hughes filmed a person in the Sniper's Nest window as the limo was turning onto Elm Street, several people saw a man in said window during the shooting, the trajectory of the entrance wound in the back of JFK's head and the trajectory of the wounds in JFK's lower neck / JBC's back, wrist, and thigh line up with the Sniper's Nest window. etc., etc., etc., and the spray pattern / skull fragments ejection pattern indicate a shot from behind.
Do you have a problem with that?
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Of course.
Afterall, most of the witnesses heard three shots, the three guys on the fifth floor heard three spent shells hit the floor above them as well as the working of the bolt three times on the short-rifle, Robert Hughes filmed a person in the Sniper's Nest window as the limo was turning onto Elm Street, several people saw a man in said window during the shooting, the trajectory of the entrance wound in the back of JFK's head and the trajectory of the wounds in JFK's lower neck / JBC's back, wrist, and thigh line up with the Sniper's Nest window. etc., etc., etc., and the spray pattern / skull fragments ejection pattern indicate a shot from behind.
Do you have a problem with that?
-- Tom
Again, you're loose with the Facts. Not all 3 guys on the 5th floor, "heard three spent shells hit the floor above them.....". That is flat-out wrong. And you want your "theories" to be given serious consideration. Same goes for your challenging the theories of others. You damage your own credibility.
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Again, you're loose with the Facts. Not all 3 guys on the 5th floor, "heard three spent shells hit the floor above them.....". That is flat-out wrong. And you want your "theories" to be given serious consideration. Same goes for your challenging the theories of others. You damage your own credibility.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Oh, oh, oh, oh . . . my bad.
You're right.
It was "just" that "Deep State" operative, Harold Norman.
(Gasp . . . did the evil, evil, evil CIA or the evil, evil, evil FBI or the evil, evil, evil Secret Service or the evil, evil, evil Dallas Police Department - - - I mean Cop Department - - - force him to say that?)
You're really caught us . . . I mean me . . . out this time, Sonderführer Storing!
I guess the plaster falling onto Bonnie Ray Williams' head during the shooting was just a coincidence after all.
Darn.
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Oh, oh, oh, oh . . . my bad.
You're right.
It was "just" that "Deep State" operative, Harold Norman.
(Gasp . . . did the evil, evil, evil CIA or the evil, evil, evil FBI or the evil, evil, evil Secret Service or the evil, evil, evil Dallas Police Department - - - I mean Cop Department - - - force him to say that?)
You're really caught us . . . I mean me . . . out this time, Sonderführer Storing!
I guess the plaster falling onto Bonnie Ray Williams' head during the shooting was just a coincidence after all.
Darn.
-- Tom
There's nothing funny about it. Especially if you wanna throw brickbats at others.
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There's nothing funny about it.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Who said it was funny?
The fact that evil, evil, evil CIA operative Howard Norman was the ONLY one of the three TSBD workers at the windows under the so-called "Sniper's Nest" during the Deep State's execution of JFK who said he'd heard the working of the short-rifle's bolt and the three spent shells fall on the floor above them during the shooting PROVES that he was LYING!!!
After all, he'd been in the ARMY for SEVEN YEARS and he lived in CALIFORNIA in 1947 -- THE SAME YEAR THAT THE CIA WAS FOUNDED!!!
Why do you think that's funny, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
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Harold Norman heard 3 shots fired in about 4 seconds per his camera recorded interview “boom click click” recollection and when Norman appeared as a witness at the Buglio v Spence Mock trial, the boom click click sequence was completed in about 4 secs also.
Norman said that he heard the 1st shot fired and saw JFK “ slump” and only after that slump did Norman hear the next 2 shots.
So that cannot possibly be a 1st shot fired at Z124 as there is no such slumping forward or leaning left by JFK until Z227 approx just after being hit in the back at about Z223( the SBT) which is the 1st shot which was heard by both Betzner and Willis which shot was surely after Z186 and in the approx time of Z223 only 0.5 sec after Willis clicked his camera at Z205 approx.
The only way Tom’s 10.2 sec spread could be reconciled with Harold Normans 3 shots in 4 sec description is if there were 4 shots fired of which an early 1st Z124 shot was not heard by Norman for some reason.
What’s really messed up is famous Amos Euins having WC testimony that he heard 4 shots fired! 🙄
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It may be that some witnesses did hear four shots, while others "heard" three shots, but actually heard two shots simultaneously, and two other shots. Different locations in the DP might explain that.
Or echoes.
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My interest in the JFK assassination was the notion that the lies told about there being a government conspiracy to kill JFK was, perhaps, the greatest threat to American democracy. It made people doubt democracy.
January 6, 2021 made me change my mind on that. There is a bigger threat to democracy that underestimated. It seems that a full one third of the country does not care for democracy. Since then, I have been concentrating on promoting the Democratic Party and trying to make the Democratic more progressive. Get fully on board with a fair tax rate for the wealthy, which we used to have 80 years ago and can have again. Now that I am retired, I expect this to occupy me for the rest of my life and the fight for American democracy will continue on after I am gone.
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It may be that some witnesses did hear four shots, while others "heard" three shots, but actually heard two shots simultaneously, and two other shots. Different locations in the DP might explain that.
Or echoes.
Maybe.
But perhaps not.
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My interest in the JFK assassination was the notion that the lies told about there being a government conspiracy to kill JFK was, perhaps, the greatest threat to American democracy. It made people doubt democracy.
January 6, 2021 made me change my mind on that. There is a bigger threat to democracy that underestimated. It seems that a full one third of the country does not care for democracy. Since then, I have been concentrating on promoting the Democratic Party and trying to make the Democratic more progressive. Get fully on board with a fair tax rate for the wealthy, which we used to have 80 years ago and can have again. Now that I am retired, I expect this to occupy me for the rest of my life and the fight for American democracy will continue on after I am gone.
Whether or not the Kremlin was behind the JFK assassination, the KGB* "made hay" from it from day one -- when the FBI's probable KGB mole, SOLO, who conveyed $28 million of Kremlin money to the CPUSA over the years and who just happened to be meeting with functionaries in the Kremlin on 11/22/63, reported back to a very grateful J. Edgar Hoover that the KGB had already determined that it had absolutely nothing to do with former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald during the two-and-a-half years he lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk.
The KGB's efforts in this regard culminated in Comrade Oliver Stone's self-described mythological ("to counter the myth of the Warren Report") "JFK," which movie was ultimately based of an anti-Clay Shaw / anti-CIA article published in a Communist-owned Italian Newspaper three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful Jim Garrison had arrested Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded the homosexual "thrill kill" assassination, and which masterly piece of disinformation turned many Americans against the evil, evil, evil, evil, evil U.S. Government.
And I give you President Donald J. Trump.
*Today's SVR and FSB
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Harold Norman heard 3 shots fired in about 4 seconds per his camera recorded interview “boom click click” recollection and when Norman appeared as a witness at the Buglio v Spence Mock trial, the boom click click sequence was completed in about 4 secs also.
Norman said that he heard the 1st shot fired and saw JFK “ slump” and only after that slump did Norman hear the next 2 shots.
So that cannot possibly be a 1st shot fired at Z124 as there is no such slumping forward or leaning left by JFK until Z227 approx just after being hit in the back at about Z223( the SBT) which is the 1st shot which was heard by both Betzner and Willis which shot was surely after Z186 and in the approx time of Z223 only 0.5 sec after Willis clicked his camera at Z205 approx.
The only way Tom’s 10.2 sec spread could be reconciled with Harold Normans 3 shots in 4 sec description is if there were 4 shots fired of which an early 1st Z124 shot was not heard by Norman for some reason.
What’s really messed up is famous Amos Euins having WC testimony that he heard 4 shots fired! 🙄
So we got this "boom click click" timing sequence for 3 shots fired. But we also have the widely parroted Max Holland "early shot" nonsense. Remember? Holland claims that Oswald was standing straight up to fire Shot #1, Oswald then sits down on a card board box, reacquires the target, and fires Shots #2 and #3. And ALL of this is happening while firing a Bolt Action rifle. Both the "boom click click" and "Holland's Hoax" can NOT Be True at the same time. Which stays and which goes?
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Max Holland claims that Oswald was standing straight up to fire Shot #1, and that he then sat down on a box of books, reacquired the target, and fired Shots #2 and #3.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?
Holland says:
1) Oswald was standing in a semicrouch and awkwardly leaning forward for his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," 1.5 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
2) Oswald did not sit on a box while firing shots 2 and 3 but knelt behind the stack of boxes at the window.
3) Oswald took 11.25 seconds to fire all three shots and therefore had plenty of time to "reacquire his target" after kneeling down.
I think Holland is correct in saying the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming, but I believe Oswald fired it a little bit later, at hypothetical "Z-124," instead, as indicated by Roselle's and Scearce's 2020 study on the voluntary / conscious reaction times of seven prime witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, JBC, and Nellie) to the unexpected sounds of the first shot.
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?
Holland says:
1) Oswald was standing in a semicrouch and awkwardly leaning forward for his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," 1.5 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
2) Oswald did not sit on a box while firing shots 2 and 3 but knelt behind the stack of boxes at the window.
3) Oswald took 11.25 seconds to fire all three shots and therefore had plenty of time to "reacquire his target" after kneeling down.
I think Holland is correct in saying the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming, but I believe Oswald fired it a little bit later, at hypothetical "Z-124," instead, as indicated by Roselle's and Scearce's 2020 study on the voluntary / conscious reaction times of seven prime witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, JBC, and Nellie) to the unexpected sounds of the first shot.
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
Do yourself a favor and watch Holland's "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic presentation. This will give you a detailed visual aid with respect to Holland's theory.
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Do yourself a favor and watch Holland's "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic presentation. This will give you a detailed visual aid with respect to Holland's theory.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
I already have, about five times.
Holland doesn't have former Marine sharpshooter Oswald standing straight up while firing his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," and he doesn't have him sitting on a box while firing shots two and three.
D'oh!
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
I already have, about five times.
Holland doesn't have former Marine sharpshooter Oswald standing straight up while firing his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," and he doesn't have him sitting on a box while firing shots two and three.
D'oh!
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
So you wanna horse around with the sharp shooter dodge? What about the SS Agent Howlett that Max is wheeling around and even has him on the lift eyeballing the signal light support beam with him? That agent physically details the shooter standing/sitting position as well as the box he sat on leaving print(s). I don't mind helping you, but if you are going to try and get slippery with me, well, that goes to character. I don't have the time to mess around with anyone lacking in character. I search for the Whole Truth.
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So you wanna horse around with the sharp shooter dodge? What about the SS Agent Howlett that Max is wheeling around and even has him on the lift eyeballing the signal light support beam with him? That agent physically details the shooter standing/sitting position as well as the box he sat on leaving print(s). I don't mind helping you, but if you are going to try and get slippery with me, well, that goes to character. I don't have the time to mess around with anyone lacking in character. I search for the Whole Truth.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
That box was too far from the window for Oswald to sit on while firing his second (at approx. Z-222) and third (Z-313) shots.
He sat on it while waiting for the motorcade to appear on Houston Street.
The person wearing the white shirt (t-shirt?) in that window in the digitally enhanced Hughes film was standing as the limo was turning onto Elm Street.
Oswald was wearing a white t-shirt that day under his long-sleeved brownish-reddish shirt. He probably took that long-sleeved shirt off while he was killing JFK and used it to wipe his prints off the Carcano.
Oswald's missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, was sufficiently downward angled as to require him to awkwardly semi-crouch and lean forward while firing it.
Stop conflating, if you possibly can, that shot with Max Holland's theorized shot a full second earlier at hypothetical "Z-107."
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
That box was too far from the window for Oswald to sit on while firing his second (at approx. Z-222) and third (Z-313) shots.
He sat on it while waiting for the motorcade to appear on Houston Street.
The person wearing the white shirt (t-shirt?) in that window in the digitally enhanced Hughes film was standing as the limo was turning onto Elm Street.
Oswald was wearing a white t-shirt that day under his long-sleeved brownish-reddish shirt. He probably took that long-sleeved shirt off while he was killing JFK and used it to wipe his prints off the Carcano.
Oswald's missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, was sufficiently downward angled as to require him to awkwardly semi-crouch and lean forward while firing it.
Stop conflating that shot with Max Holland's theorized shot a full second earlier at hypothetical "Z-107."
-- Tom
You need to watch "The Lost Bullet" for a 6th time. You've forgotten all about SA Howlett's soup-to-nuts demonstration of the 3 shots. Get yourself a small journal and make JFK Assassination Notations. You have a serious retention issue.
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You need to watch "The Lost Bullet" for a 6th time. You've forgotten all about SA Howlett's soup-to-nuts demonstration of the 3 shots. Get yourself a small journal and make JFK Assassination Notations. You have a serious retention issue.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Who's to say John Joe was correct?
-- Tom
PS You have a serious gaslighting issue.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Who's to say John Joe was correct?
-- Tom
PS You have a serious gaslighting issue.
Challenging SA Howlett is fair game. "Forgetting" all about him is an issue.
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Challenging SA Howlett is fair game. "Forgetting" all about him is an issue.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Rhetorical question # 1: In "The Lost Bullet," did Max Holland have the Oswald stand-in sit on a box while firing any of his three shots at JFK?
Rhetorical question # 2: Am I somehow obligated to aid you in your tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory?
If Oswald had fired his first shot later than he actually did and been sitting on a box while doing so, he would have hit his target.
But he missed everything because he was semi-crouching and awkwardly leaning forward for the sharply-downward-angled shot.
By the way, did you know that Brian Roselle found in the Secret Service's reenactment film -- which was filmed four days after the assassination -- an apparent divot in the asphalt at the closest point to JFK that a missing-everything shot fired at hypothetical "Z-124" could have caused, and that in photos taken of the limo at Parkland Hospital he found a mark on that side of the limo that wasn't there earlier in the day and, therefore, may have been caused by a chunk of asphalt kicked up by the bullet?
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Rhetorical questions:
In "The Lost Bullet," did Max Holland have the Oswald stand-in sit on a box while firing any of his three shots at JFK?
Am I somehow obligated to aid you in your tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory?
If Oswald had fired his first shot later than he actually did and been sitting on a box while doing so, he would have hit his target.
But he missed everything because he was semi-crouching and awkwardly leaning forward for the sharply-downward-angled shot.
Btw, did you know that Brian Roselle found in the Secret Service's reenactment film -- which was filmed four days after the assassination -- an apparent divot in the asphalt at the closest point to JFK that a missing-everything shot fired at hypothetical "Z-124" could have caused?
-- Tom
Whatever the issue is, I tell you everything that I know. A discussion then ensues. You? You wanna play games with half truths, rhetorical questions , and riddles. You're wasting my time.
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Whatever the issue is, I tell you everything that I know. A discussion then ensues. You? You wanna play games with half truths, rhetorical questions, and riddles. You're wasting my time.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
At what point did you become a supporter of The Treasonous Orange Bird (rhymes with "xxxx") and his ilk -- before or after you became a Vladimir Putin-approved CIA-hating, FBI-hating, Secret-Service-hating and Cop-hating Tinfoil Hat JFKA Conspiracy Theorist?
-- Tom
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Thanks for your cordial inquiry.
My layman's view of the Z-film is Gov. JBC shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.
Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)
JBC is pushed forward ~Z-295.
This sequence also lines up with the "bang...bang-bang" cadence attested to by many witnesses (Kellerman shots came in a "flurry" or "on top of each other,' and many others).
There is also the observable and indisputable fact that JBC makes a 180-degree turn in his seat after JFK is apparently shot in the back ~Z-220.
Under SBT, that means, after having been shot through the chest, having his right wrist fractured, and the slug burrowed into his leg...only then JBC makes 180-degree turn in his seat to check on JFK.
And that JBC only imagined he was pushed forward by the slug that struck him in the back. Although he is indisputably seen being pushed forward ~Z-295.
The smoke-and-bang show on the GK is another interesting apparition, seen and heard by many. It may have been a diversion.
All that said, I suspect the JFKA was the work of a very small group, possibly Alpha 66 Dallas residents, and included LHO, or G2 assets. Those same residents may have worked with LHO on the Walker shooting attempt or intentional miss.
The Warren Commission was not interested in following leads, either into G2 and KGB, or into CIA assets in the US. G2 also also penetrated CIA Cuban assets in the US.
The LN narrative was settled on rather soon, and the FBI carried out most investigative work.
There were two guys in the State Department whose careers were ended as they wanted to follow up G2 leads, including the US Ambassador to Mexico.
But if the JFKA conspiracy involved more than three or four people, I would be surprised.
LHO, another gunsel behind JFK, and the GK diversion guy.
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Thanks for your cordial inquiry.
My layman's view of the Z-film is Gov. JBC shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.
Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)
JBC is pushed forward ~Z-295.
This sequence also lines up with the "bang...bang-bang" cadence attested to by many witnesses (Kellerman shots came in a "flurry" or "on top of each other,' and many others).
There is also the observable and indisputable fact that JBC makes a 180-degree turn in his seat after JFK is apparently shot in the back ~Z-220.
Under SBT, that means, after having been shot through the chest, having his right wrist fractured, and the slug burrowed into his leg...only then JBC makes 180-degree turn in his seat to check on JFK.
And that JBC only imagined he was pushed forward by the slug that struck him in the back. Although he is indisputably seen being pushed forward ~Z-295.
The smoke-and-bang show on the GK is another interesting apparition, seen and heard by many. It may have been a diversion.
All that said, I suspect the JFKA was the work of a very small group, possibly Alpha 66 Dallas residents, and included LHO, or G2 assets. Those same residents may have worked with LHO on the Walker shooting attempt or intentional miss.
The Warren Commission was not interested in following leads, either into G2 and KGB, or into CIA assets in the US. G2 also also penetrated CIA Cuban assets in the US.
The LN narrative was settled on rather soon, and the FBI carried out most investigative work.
There were two guys in the State Department whose careers were ended as they wanted to follow up G2 leads, including the US Ambassador to Mexico.
But if the JFKA conspiracy involved more than three or four people, I would be surprised.
LHO, another gunsel behind JFK, and the GK diversion guy.
Dear "BC,"
Please show us Connally's being "doubled over" by a shot, any shot, before Nellie pulled him down into her lap.
I'm really looking forward to this.
-- "TG"
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TG--
That's my take on ~Z-295.
BC
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TG--
That's my take on ~Z-295.
BC
Dear "BC,"
Z-295 isn't worthy of a "take."
Once again, I beseech you:
Please show us Connally's being "doubled over" by a shot, any shot, before Nellie pulled him down into her lap.
-- "TG"
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Once again, that is my take on ~Z-295. Lines up with JBC's testimony too.
Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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Once again, that is my take on ~Z-295. Lines up with JBC's testimony too.
Caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions.
Dear "BC,"
How accurate do you think Connally was when he, with typical gallantly and "confidence," was recounting how he was seriously wounded by the second of three unexpected shots at five-second intervals, and what he did or did not do before Nellie had the presence of mind to pull him down into her lap . . . and he lost consciousness?
John Connally was sorely (pardon the pun) mistaken, but charismatic politician that he was, sounded oh-so convincing!
LOL!
The only things he got right were:
1) the first loud boom was a rifle shot
2) he started turning his upper torso and head to his right at Z-160 to see over his shoulder where the shot had come from and whether or not JFK was okay
3) he was struck in the back (at approximately Z-222) as he was turning back towards the front
-- "TG"
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Each to his own.
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Each to his own.
Why are you so gullible?