Another sign that interest in the JFK assassination is waning

[Tom Graves]

   "ESTIMATE" gunshot sound?  I ask for EVIDENCE, and this is ALL you got? Laughable.

yES yOU ARE, Sonderführer Storing, yeS yOu ARE.

[Royell Storing]

 You need to get in touch with Max. He understands how to present a flim-flam. You on the other hand have somehow managed to take his "Gone With The Wind" and turn it into, "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World". You're not helping the man.

[John Corbett]

The book should be titled "10.2 Seconds in Dallas," because that's how long it took Oswald to fire all three shots.

It is difficult to fix the time span of the shots without knowing when the first shot was fired and we have no definitive evidence in the Z-film for that. However, there are clues such as the visible reactions of JBC and Rosemary Willis. What we don't know is how quickly they reacted. To me, the best indication of when the first shot was fired was the jiggle of Zapruder's camera at frame 158. Since the distance from the muzzle of Oswald's rifle and Zapruder's ears is a constant, we should expect a similar time lag between when each shot was fired and when Zapruder reacted. This indicates a time lag of about 6-7 frames although we shouldn't expect that number to be an integer. A jiggle at 158 indicates to me a shot fired about 151-152. That works out to a total time frame for all three shots to be about 8.7 seconds. Granted, this is an educated guess given that it is based on the premise that the jiggle of Zapruder's camera at 158 was in reaction to the sound of the first shot, but to me that is the best evidence we have for when the first shot was fired.

[John Corbett]

   Interest wanes because alleged JFK Assassination "researchers" continue pounding on the same tired drums. I instead have gone where, "no man has gone before": (1) The Elm St Extension, and (2) The Railroad Yard. This virgin ground has led me to the 2 Newest JFK Assassination Discoveries in decades. (1) A Car rolling down the Elm St Ext while shots were being fired, and (2) An Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell inside the railroad yard.  Each of these discoveries proves a JFK Assassination Conspiracy.

How does a photograph establish that a car was rolling down the Elm St. extension and what is your evidence the photo was taken during the shooting?

Even if we accept your premises of the car on the Elm St. extension and a motorcycle cop in the railroad yard, how would either of those prove a conspiracy?

[John Corbett]

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Read it and weep.

https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol

-- Tom

An interesting article. In the past I have used the terms reflexive and cognitive to describe reactions where your article speaks of voluntary and involuntary. Unless I am misunderstanding, I think we are talking about the same thing. Cognitive reactions take longer and are a less reliable way of determining the timing of events because they involve a thought process and that can vary. For example, we see cognitive reactions by JBC and Rosemary Willis to the sound of the first shot. JBC's reaction began at frame 164 whereas Rosemary Willis' reaction began at about 171. I believe it was during filming of hunting programs, perhaps the American Sportsman, it was shown that a cameraman will jiggle his camera in reaction to the sound of a high powered rifle shot. It is an involuntary reaction and one that will occur even when the cameraman is expecting the gunshot. The problem with applying jiggle analysis to the Zapruder film is that while every gunshot will be followed by a jiggle, not every jiggle is caused by a gunshot. It is my belief that the camera jiggle at frame 158 is a reaction to the first shot but I cannot prove that to be a fact.

[John Corbett]

JC-

I still hold it is plausible that LHO had confederates, based upon my layman's read on the Z-film (JBC shot at Z-295 and JFK at Z-313).

While it is theoretically possible Oswald could have had an accomplice, I wouldn't say it is plausible. In 62 years, no one has produced a scrap of evidence that Oswald had even a single accomplice in his crime.

I am curious as to what your evidence is that JBC was struck at Z295. He was reacting well before that. He had a reflexive reaction at frame Z226 when his right arm suddenly flipped up followed by his body twisting to his right. Z226 was the same frame JFK's arms started upward.

[Royell Storing]

How does a photograph establish that a car was rolling down the Elm St. extension and what is your evidence the photo was taken during the shooting?

Even if we accept your premises of the car on the Elm St. extension and a motorcycle cop in the railroad yard, how would either of those prove a conspiracy?

      What "photograph" are you referencing above?  With respect to image evidence, I use Assassination Films and still frames from those films. Both the "getaway" car and the "No Glove Cop" are extremely involved stories.  A broad based JFK Assassination Foundation is mandatory to understand how my 2 discoveries "prove a conspiracy". For starters, I ask that you familiarize yourself with the Officer Haygood WC Testimony. We can then begin to discuss my "No Glove Cop" discovery after that. This is why these 2 discoveries have been missed for 62+ years. People just do not want to put the work in. Are you willing to put the work in?