Another sign that interest in the JFK assassination is waning

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Re: Another sign that interest in the JFK assassination is waning
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 11:58:08 PM »
There's nothing funny about it.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Who said it was funny?

The fact that evil, evil, evil CIA operative Howard Norman was the ONLY one of the three TSBD workers at the windows under the so-called "Sniper's Nest" during the Deep State's execution of JFK who said he'd heard the working of the short-rifle's bolt and the three spent shells fall on the floor above them during the shooting PROVES that he was LYING!!!

After all, he'd been in the ARMY for SEVEN YEARS and he lived in CALIFORNIA in 1947 -- THE SAME YEAR THAT THE CIA WAS FOUNDED!!!

Why do you think that's funny, Sonderführer Storing?

-- Tom

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Re: Another sign that interest in the JFK assassination is waning
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Harold Norman heard 3 shots fired in about 4 seconds per his camera recorded interview “boom click click” recollection and when Norman appeared as a witness at the Buglio v Spence Mock trial, the boom click click sequence was completed in about 4 secs also.

Norman said that he heard the 1st shot fired and saw JFK “ slump” and only after that slump did Norman hear the next 2 shots.

So that cannot possibly be a 1st shot fired at Z124 as there is no such slumping forward  or leaning left by JFK until Z227 approx just after being hit in the back at about Z223( the SBT) which is the 1st shot which was heard by both Betzner and Willis which shot was surely after Z186 and in the approx time of Z223 only 0.5 sec after Willis clicked his camera at Z205 approx.

The only way Tom’s 10.2 sec spread could be reconciled with Harold Normans  3 shots in 4 sec description is if there  were  4 shots fired of which an early 1st Z124 shot was not heard by Norman for some reason.

What’s really messed up is famous Amos Euins having WC testimony that he heard 4 shots fired! 🙄

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It may be that some witnesses did hear four shots, while others "heard" three shots, but actually heard two shots simultaneously, and two other shots. Different locations in the DP might explain that.

Or echoes.

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My interest in the JFK assassination was the notion that the lies told about there being a government conspiracy to kill JFK was, perhaps, the greatest threat to American democracy. It made people doubt democracy.

January 6, 2021 made me change my mind on that. There is a bigger threat to democracy that underestimated. It seems that a full one third of the country does not care for democracy. Since then, I have been concentrating on promoting the Democratic Party and trying to make the Democratic more progressive. Get fully on board with a fair tax rate for the wealthy, which we used to have 80 years ago and can have again. Now that I am retired, I expect this to occupy me for the rest of my life and the fight for American democracy will continue on after I am gone.

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It may be that some witnesses did hear four shots, while others "heard" three shots, but actually heard two shots simultaneously, and two other shots. Different locations in the DP might explain that.

Or echoes.

Maybe.

But perhaps not.
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My interest in the JFK assassination was the notion that the lies told about there being a government conspiracy to kill JFK was, perhaps, the greatest threat to American democracy. It made people doubt democracy.

January 6, 2021 made me change my mind on that. There is a bigger threat to democracy that underestimated. It seems that a full one third of the country does not care for democracy. Since then, I have been concentrating on promoting the Democratic Party and trying to make the Democratic more progressive. Get fully on board with a fair tax rate for the wealthy, which we used to have 80 years ago and can have again. Now that I am retired, I expect this to occupy me for the rest of my life and the fight for American democracy will continue on after I am gone.

Whether or not the Kremlin was behind the JFK assassination, the KGB* "made hay" from it from day one -- when the FBI's probable KGB mole, SOLO, who conveyed $28 million of Kremlin money to the CPUSA over the years and who just happened to be meeting with functionaries in the Kremlin on 11/22/63, reported back to a very grateful J. Edgar Hoover that the KGB had already determined that it had absolutely nothing to do with former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald during the two-and-a-half years he lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk.

The KGB's efforts in this regard culminated in Comrade Oliver Stone's self-described mythological ("to counter the myth of the Warren Report") "JFK," which movie was ultimately based of an anti-Clay Shaw / anti-CIA article published in a Communist-owned Italian Newspaper three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful Jim Garrison had arrested Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded the homosexual "thrill kill" assassination, and which masterly piece of disinformation turned many Americans against the evil, evil, evil, evil, evil U.S. Government.

And I give you President Donald J. Trump.

*Today's SVR and FSB
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Harold Norman heard 3 shots fired in about 4 seconds per his camera recorded interview “boom click click” recollection and when Norman appeared as a witness at the Buglio v Spence Mock trial, the boom click click sequence was completed in about 4 secs also.

Norman said that he heard the 1st shot fired and saw JFK “ slump” and only after that slump did Norman hear the next 2 shots.

So that cannot possibly be a 1st shot fired at Z124 as there is no such slumping forward  or leaning left by JFK until Z227 approx just after being hit in the back at about Z223( the SBT) which is the 1st shot which was heard by both Betzner and Willis which shot was surely after Z186 and in the approx time of Z223 only 0.5 sec after Willis clicked his camera at Z205 approx.

The only way Tom’s 10.2 sec spread could be reconciled with Harold Normans  3 shots in 4 sec description is if there  were  4 shots fired of which an early 1st Z124 shot was not heard by Norman for some reason.

What’s really messed up is famous Amos Euins having WC testimony that he heard 4 shots fired! 🙄

   So we got this "boom click click" timing sequence for 3 shots fired. But we also have the widely parroted Max Holland "early shot" nonsense. Remember? Holland claims that Oswald was standing straight up to fire Shot #1, Oswald then sits down on a card board box, reacquires the target, and fires Shots #2 and #3. And ALL of this is happening while firing a Bolt Action rifle. Both the "boom click click" and "Holland's Hoax" can NOT Be True at the same time. Which stays and which goes?

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Max Holland claims that Oswald was standing straight up to fire Shot #1, and that he then sat down on a box of books, reacquired the target, and fired Shots #2 and #3.


Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?

Holland says:

1) Oswald was standing in a semicrouch and awkwardly leaning forward for his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," 1.5 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

2) Oswald did not sit on a box while firing shots 2 and 3 but knelt behind the stack of boxes at the window.

3) Oswald took 11.25 seconds to fire all three shots and therefore had plenty of time to "reacquire his target" after kneeling down.

I think Holland is correct in saying the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming, but I believe Oswald fired it a little bit later, at hypothetical "Z-124," instead, as indicated by Roselle's and Scearce's 2020 study on the voluntary / conscious reaction times of seven prime witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, JBC, and Nellie) to the unexpected sounds of the first shot.

Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?

-- Tom

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