How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

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Online John Mytton

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2025, 01:37:55 PM »

Not to change the subject John, but does anyone know what happened to the vending machines? Here is the original candy vending machine and a similar machine restored.





Hey Jarrett, nice find and especially with the comparison to the restored machine.  Thumb1:
This is part of the reason why this subject can be so interesting, it's a slice of time that's well worth investigating.
But unfortunately I don't know where those machines are today, I think the owner of the building grabbed the windows from the 6th floor, so perhaps he has the drink/candy machines or a keen collector?

BTW, thanks to your modern photo, I never realized that the top section of the candy machine was big mirror and that the mirror in the TSBD candy machine was reflecting the shelves and the coke machine. Interesting!

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2025, 12:48:33 AM »
A TSBD 6th floor SE window conspirator shooter could have used the passenger elevator if he was able to get into the elevator shaft from a vent on the 6th floor.

But how long the shooter must wait on top of the passenger elevator cab before he climbs down into it is the question. And the power went out coincidentally too, so it’s uncertain how viable this scenario is.

The MC rifle could be pre planted , but what is the reason to add this complication? Does the conspirator have a personal  vendetta towards Oswald?

How the MC rifle could be post planted on the 6th floor by 1:20 pm is even more of a challenging problem, but maybe a quantum computer AI that can figure it out.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2025, 01:15:03 AM »
A TSBD 6th floor SE window conspirator shooter could have used the passenger elevator if he was able to get into the elevator shaft from a vent on the 6th floor.

But how long the shooter must wait on top of the passenger elevator cab before he climbs down into it is the question. And the power went out coincidentally too, so it’s uncertain how viable this scenario is.

The MC rifle could be pre planted , but what is the reason to add this complication? Does the conspirator have a personal  vendetta towards Oswald?

How the MC rifle could be post planted on the 6th floor by 1:20 pm is even more of a challenging problem, but maybe a quantum computer AI that can figure it out.

I don't think the power went out, the lights were on in the building as seen in the Powell/Dillard photos and the telephone lights went out because no one was calling out but people still could have been calling in, so that is a bit of a mystery? And as far as the elevators not working I reckon someone specifically turned them off.

Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
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Miss HINE. I called and called and shook the door and she didn't answer me because she was talking on the telephone; I could hear her. They have a little curtain up and I could see her form through the curtains. I could see her talking and I knew that's what she was doing and then I turned and went through the back hall and came through the back door.
Mr. BALL. Of your office, the second floor office?
Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in.


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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2025, 01:26:22 AM »
A TSBD 6th floor SE window conspirator shooter could have used the passenger elevator if he was able to get into the elevator shaft from a vent on the 6th floor.

But how long the shooter must wait on top of the passenger elevator cab before he climbs down into it is the question. And the power went out coincidentally too, so it’s uncertain how viable this scenario is.

The MC rifle could be pre planted , but what is the reason to add this complication? Does the conspirator have a personal  vendetta towards Oswald?

How the MC rifle could be post planted on the 6th floor by 1:20 pm is even more of a challenging problem, but maybe a quantum computer AI that can figure it out.

   My route through the Huge Gates is the most plausible avenue of escape. Straight Down the stairwell and out the Huge Gates, which we know are open due to the Martin Film showing them Open when Amos Euins is going down the Elm Ext on the back of the Harkness DPD 3 Wheel motorcycle. (5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot). People want to complicate the shooter(s) escape route, but it really is very simple. 
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2025, 02:34:56 AM »
My route through the Huge Gates is the most plausible avenue of escape. Straight Down the stairwell and out the Huge Gates, which we know are open due to the Martin Film showing them Open when Amos Euins is going down the Elm Ext on the back of the Harkness DPD 3 Wheel motorcycle. (5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot). People want to complicate the shooter(s) escape route, but it really is very simple.

Storing,

Why did Oswald go upstairs to get a Coke right when JFK and Jackie were passing by the TSBD?

If he was so terrible thirsty that he just couldn't wait, why didn't he get a bottle of his favorite soft drink, Dr. Pepper, from the machine on the first floor, instead?

Hmm?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2025, 04:11:23 AM »
Storing,

Why did Oswald go upstairs to get a Coke right when JFK and Jackie were passing by the TSBD?

If he was so terrible thirsty that he just couldn't wait, why didn't he get a bottle of his favorite soft drink, Dr. Pepper, from the machine on the first floor, instead?

Hmm?

   In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest. His prints would be found on the boxes inside the sniper's nest, but order filling/handling boxes with books inside them was his job. Easily explaining his prints being on those boxes. After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him. 

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2025, 04:24:27 AM »
In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest. His prints would be found on the boxes inside the sniper's nest, but order filling/handling boxes with books inside them was his job. Easily explaining his prints being on those boxes. After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him.

Storing,

How many evil, evil, evil "Deep State" guys and gals do you figure were involved with the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

Was Oswald a knowing martyr for "the cause," or was he duped?

If the latter, under what pretense?

A government sanctioned "test" of the Secret Service or some-such thing?

Was he aware that JFK would be "hit"?

Gasp . . . was he a CIA or FBI agent who had penetrated something really, really evil?

Wouldn't it have easier for him to establish his alibi in the second-floor lunchroom if he'd been sitting there eating his crummy cheese sandwich and apple if-and-when someone barged in on him after the shooting? Heck, he could have even gotten his favorite sodie pop -- Dr. Pepper -- from the first-floor Dr. Pepper machine on his way up!

OMG . . . Did he WANT to be seen by the police through the window in the "vestibule" door?

Seein' as how you're a seventy-something MAGAT, you probably hated Communist/Socialist JFK, right?
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