How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

[John Mytton]

  Where on the 1st FLOOR is there a machine with Dr Pepper?

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see him eating lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I never have seen him eat lunch. I have seen him go to the Doctor Pepper machine by the refrigerator and get a Doctor Pepper but I never have seen him, you might say, sit right down and eat his lunch.





JohnM

[Royell Storing]

    John - Thanks for posting that photo. I had Not seen it previously. You do realize this is within a stone's throw of the Huge Gates? Down to the basement and Out the Huge Gates?

[John Mytton]

    John - Thanks for posting that photo. I had Not seen it previously. You do realize this is within a stone's throw of the Huge Gates? Down to the basement and Out the Huge Gates?

Yes, Oswald could have escaped through the open HUGE gates, because if he went out the main front door he could have been seen and no employee recalls seeing Oswald, going out the back would have crossed Oswald's mind but he did just see a Policeman who came up the stairs which were next to the rear doors.
BTW how does the basement connect to the HUGE gates?

Here is the HUGE gates that appeared to be open from just before the assassination till well after. The three tramps photo could show the gates closed  with a long chain that prevented them opening anymore but this seems unlikely?







JohnM

[Tom Graves]

John - Thanks for posting that photo [of the Dr. Pepper machine on the first floor]. I had not seen it previously. You do realize this is within a stone's throw of the Huge Gates? Down to the basement and Out the Huge Gates?

Storing,

1) Point being?

2) Didn't Oswald say he was eating his lunch in the first-floor Domino Room when the motorcade was passing by and that he had gone up to the second-floor lunchroom to buy a Coke when Baker and Truly encountered him there?

[Martin Weidmann]

As I clearly pointed out both reports are true, therefore totally reliable.

Why would they have to or even need to fabricate some narrative where at the time they wouldn't have a clue about the social dynamics within the Depository?

Oswald's false alibi said he ate alone and that there were two men with him and that's why Kelley and Bookout's reports NEVER contradicted each other! You keep looking for flaws that don't exist and then you make up some BS self serving narrative. BTW, Oswald's assumption that the two men had lunch together in the Domino Room was proven false, that what happens when you make assumptions you make an ass of yourself! LOL!

Don't take it personally but you simply lack deductive reasoning skills, but thanks for your participation.

JohnM

As I clearly pointed out both reports are true, therefore totally reliable.

Hilarious and utterly dishonest. Oswald either ate with the colored boys or he had eaten alone and saw two Negro employees walking through the room.

Why would they have to or even need to fabricate some narrative where at the time they wouldn't have a clue about the social dynamics within the Depository?

What in the world are you talking about? You're missing the point yet again. Oswald clearly made some kind of comment about the Domino room and the two negros, which was subsequently misrepresented in the reports.

Oswald's false alibi said he ate alone and that there were two men with him and that's why Kelley and Bookout's reports NEVER contradicted each other! 

First of all, you are making a bogus claim without actually knowing what Oswald really told the interrogators.
And secondly, if you don't see a contradiction between (1) eating with the two men and (2) seeing the two men walking through the room, then there isn't much I can do except leave you be in your delusional world.

You keep looking for flaws that don't exist and then you make up some BS self serving narrative.

LOL... OK, I'll play. What BS self serving narrative have I made up? Be precise!

BTW, Oswald's assumption that the two men had lunch together in the Domino Room was proven false, that what happens when you make assumptions you make an ass of yourself! LOL!

The only one making assumptions is you. You simply do not know that Oswald assumed Junior and Norman would be in the Domino Room.

[Royell Storing]

  John - With respect to the Huge Gates being connected to the basement, look at the 3 TRAMPS PHOTO. The Tramps feet are the same level as the floor of the Brick Bld behind them, and the Floor of the loading Dock next to that Brick Bld. These 3, the Huge Gates, the Brick Bld, and the Loading Dock are ALL at the same level. Yet, you have to Walk UP Steps in order to enter the TSBD. Yet that is labeled the TSBD 1st Floor. Even the Very BOTTOM of the TSDB Windows which face the Elm Ext and lead right up to the Huge Gates are well above the FOOT Level/Ground Level of The 3 Tramps as we see on that photo. The floor of the TSBD 1st FLOOR is actually much higher/ well Above the floor of the Huge Gates, Brick Bld, and the Loading Dock. The TSBD is not built like it looks from the outside. All floors including the basement are Not entirely level. I see it as kinda like having a step-down living room. That living room would be on the 1st floor, but so would the kitchen which is higher. They are both on the 1st floor but do Not sit at the same Level. People that have lived in Multi LEVEL Houses know what I mean. These type houses can be built both "Multi Level" and Multi Story. Meaning there can be More than 1 level within an entire Story. This is the case with the TSBD. Just look at the floor of the Huge Gates in the 3 Tramp Photo and then compare that to the Floor of the TSBD 1st Floor AFTER CLIMBING UP The Steps. If you look at a schematic of the TSBD 1st Floor, just around the corner from that Dr Pepper Machine is another stairwell DOWN to the basement. Probably a very short stairwell. With Lovelady and Shelly giving WC Testimony of walking through the loading dock and continuing to walk into the TSBD, that stairwell connects to the Basement/Huge Gates. I do Not swear by Oswald using those Huge Gates. Any shooter on the 6th floor could easily plant the rifle, descend the stairwell, and just walk out those Huge Gates. A 6th floor shooter could easily be on and off the stairwell before Truly and Baker enter that same stairwell.  Very Quick, Very Easy.         

[Jarrett Smith]

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see him eating lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I never have seen him eat lunch. I have seen him go to the Doctor Pepper machine by the refrigerator and get a Doctor Pepper but I never have seen him, you might say, sit right down and eat his lunch.





JohnM

Not to change the subject John, but does anyone know what happened to the vending machines? Here is the original candy vending machine and a similar machine restored.

[John Mytton]

Not to change the subject John, but does anyone know what happened to the vending machines? Here is the original candy vending machine and a similar machine restored.

Hey Jarrett, nice find and especially with the comparison to the restored machine. 
This is part of the reason why this subject can be so interesting, it's a slice of time that's well worth investigating.
But unfortunately I don't know where those machines are today, I think the owner of the building grabbed the windows from the 6th floor, so perhaps he has the drink/candy machines or a keen collector?

BTW, thanks to your modern photo, I never realized that the top section of the candy machine was big mirror and that the mirror in the TSBD candy machine was reflecting the shelves and the coke machine. Interesting!

JohnM