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How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« on: April 30, 2025, 05:03:11 AM »
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The JFK case is deeply problematic. Every attempt to tie Oswald to the assassination spawns conspiracy theories simply because you’re wading into a fog of misinformation. There were nearly a dozen investigators, yet no one was properly overseeing things. It’s hardly surprising that the evidence was trampled, smeared, torn apart, and destroyed in the chaotic rush.
I don’t take things at face value. In my experience, under stress, the human brain tends to fill in gaps in memory — very few people have a photographic recall, let alone the ability to accurately recreate events on paper.
I lean toward the official version because I’m willing to accept it as mostly truthful. That doesn’t excuse the strange behavior of the intelligence agencies or the chaos within them ahead of an expected leadership change. But the official narrative has one glaring flaw — the biggest of all. Once you answer it, the case falls into place: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository? Years have passed, and no one has been able to provide a clear answer.
You don’t need to ask about a third party. You don’t need to link Ruby and Oswald — jurisprudence (let alone history) doesn’t deal in maybes, and even if they knew each other, that’s a separate issue. In law, things proceed step by step.
So, you have the Texas School Book Depository. You have the sixth floor, where three spent rifle cartridges were found near an open window. Later, the rifle itself was discovered there. You have a list of employees, one of whom is missing — his coworkers say he was there, but he’s gone.
You need to find him — to determine why he vanished: fear, illness, flight. Maybe you’ll get fingerprints that match. Maybe you’ll find gunshot residue that aligns. But the key evidence is how the shooter left the crime scene.
And we have conflicting witness statements, even doubts about the number of shots fired — 2, 3, 5, possibly including a blank, 8…
Let’s say there were three shots. We have three shell casings. And we know the shooter had to be skilled. So we’re looking for marksmen — hard to narrow down in America, where every other man can shoot. In Italy, France, or Russia, maybe one in five served in wars. A reenactment with three shots would require intense focus.
Suppose there were only two shots — then why a third casing? I doubt there’s any method to determine, based on the casings alone, when each shot was fired — if that’s even possible.
Even if you match the prints and prove the rifle was Oswald’s, that doesn’t directly prove he pulled the trigger. Even if you have a written confession backed by a "lie detector," it’s still not definitive.
The strongest evidence — the critical link — is how the shooter left the scene. Who walked away from where those three shell casings were found?
All these years later — and it’s been a long time — no one has clearly explained how the "owner of those three shell casings" got off the sixth floor or which route he took. Oswald’s testimony won’t help — he denied everything. I’m not even sure anyone asked him why he left work early that day. No experiment has answered it, either.
It’s bizarre, given the enormity of the event, that no one has recreated the shots from the sixth floor to record echoes and compare audio data. It wouldn’t be expensive. Yet everyone argues about ballistics and acoustics based on interpretations of old recordings — while the number of living witnesses dwindles each year.
And were all buildings overlooking Dealey Plaza thoroughly checked?
But I suspect that until someone answers the question of the "owner of the three shell casings," the JFK case will keep spawning new theories.  :-[

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How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2025, 06:28:40 AM »

        -------  TO BE CONTINUED, (as promised)  ----------------  For starters, how about taking a look at the 3 Tramps Photo that shows The Tramps being escorted down the Elm St Ext and passed the TSBD. See those Huge Gates? See how those Huge Gates are AJAR/OPEN? That side of the TSBD has access to those Huge Gates that are Ajar/Open. The 3 Tramps Photo was taken roughly 1:45-2:00 Hrs AFTER the Kill Shot. Those Huge Gates are also visible on the Martin Film. You can see those same Huge Gates on the segment of the Martin Film showing Amos Euins on the back of DPD Harkness's 3 Wheel Motorcycle as they speed down the Elm St Ext. Those Huge Gates are also AJAR/OPEN at this point in time. This Amos Euins Scene is taking place roughly 5 Minutes following the Kill Shot. This means those Huge Gates, (which are accessible from the TSBD), were Ajar/Open from at least 5 MINUTES after the Kill Shot until roughly 2 Hrs After the Kill Shot. Oswald and/or anyone else could have exited the TSBD via these Huge Gates and easily mixed into the shocked crowd outside of the TSBD.  (1) WHY are these Huge Gates OPEN immediately after the Kill Shot?  (2) Why are these Huge Gates REMAINING OPEN for roughly 2 Hrs?        --------------  TO BE CONTINUED  -----------------------------     

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2025, 06:46:07 AM »
You bring up interesting details, but they don’t disprove the official story. The open gates are odd, but they’re not proof of a conspiracy. The key question — how did the shooter leave the sixth floor? — still remains, and the official version doesn’t give a clear answer (it has gaps).

We could look into:

Witness testimony (like Victoria Adams, who saw Oswald on the stairs).
Police reports on movements around the TSBD.
Photo/video analysis (e.g., were the gates really open in all footage?).

But so far, there’s no solid evidence that Oswald (or anyone else) used those gates to escape.

The answer starts with how the shooter got out: Did he take the elevator (which one?), the stairs?
If we know Oswald yelled at coworkers to hold the elevator doors on the first floor, could the elevator have somehow ended up on the fifth floor after the shooter used it?

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2025, 07:16:20 AM »
The JFK case is deeply problematic. Every attempt to tie Oswald to the assassination spawns conspiracy theories simply because you’re wading into a fog of misinformation. There were nearly a dozen investigators, yet no one was properly overseeing things. It’s hardly surprising that the evidence was trampled, smeared, torn apart, and destroyed in the chaotic rush.
I don’t take things at face value. In my experience, under stress, the human brain tends to fill in gaps in memory — very few people have a photographic recall, let alone the ability to accurately recreate events on paper.
I lean toward the official version because I’m willing to accept it as mostly truthful. That doesn’t excuse the strange behavior of the intelligence agencies or the chaos within them ahead of an expected leadership change. But the official narrative has one glaring flaw — the biggest of all. Once you answer it, the case falls into place: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository? Years have passed, and no one has been able to provide a clear answer.
You don’t need to ask about a third party. You don’t need to link Ruby and Oswald — jurisprudence (let alone history) doesn’t deal in maybes, and even if they knew each other, that’s a separate issue. In law, things proceed step by step.
So, you have the Texas School Book Depository. You have the sixth floor, where three spent rifle cartridges were found near an open window. Later, the rifle itself was discovered there. You have a list of employees, one of whom is missing — his coworkers say he was there, but he’s gone.
You need to find him — to determine why he vanished: fear, illness, flight. Maybe you’ll get fingerprints that match. Maybe you’ll find gunshot residue that aligns. But the key evidence is how the shooter left the crime scene.
And we have conflicting witness statements, even doubts about the number of shots fired — 2, 3, 5, possibly including a blank, 8…
Let’s say there were three shots. We have three shell casings. And we know the shooter had to be skilled. So we’re looking for marksmen — hard to narrow down in America, where every other man can shoot. In Italy, France, or Russia, maybe one in five served in wars. A reenactment with three shots would require intense focus.
Suppose there were only two shots — then why a third casing? I doubt there’s any method to determine, based on the casings alone, when each shot was fired — if that’s even possible.
Even if you match the prints and prove the rifle was Oswald’s, that doesn’t directly prove he pulled the trigger. Even if you have a written confession backed by a "lie detector," it’s still not definitive.
The strongest evidence — the critical link — is how the shooter left the scene. Who walked away from where those three shell casings were found?
All these years later — and it’s been a long time — no one has clearly explained how the "owner of those three shell casings" got off the sixth floor or which route he took. Oswald’s testimony won’t help — he denied everything. I’m not even sure anyone asked him why he left work early that day. No experiment has answered it, either.
It’s bizarre, given the enormity of the event, that no one has recreated the shots from the sixth floor to record echoes and compare audio data. It wouldn’t be expensive. Yet everyone argues about ballistics and acoustics based on interpretations of old recordings — while the number of living witnesses dwindles each year.
And were all buildings overlooking Dealey Plaza thoroughly checked?
But I suspect that until someone answers the question of the "owner of the three shell casings," the JFK case will keep spawning new theories.  :-[

Suppose there were only two shots — then why a third casing? I doubt there’s any method to determine, based on the casings alone, when each shot was fired — if that’s even possible.

It is possible to determine which shell was fired first. The Warren Commission hypothesized in the conclusions about one shell was ejected before the firing sequence. Additionally, it was suggested that the news media accounts influenced the witnesses into inflating the number of shots. 

The FBI report on the analysis of the shells along with Josiah Thompsons observation, noted on pages 140 –146 and in his footnotes on page 178, in his book Six Seconds in Dallas, provide the evidence that CE 543 was not fired in the rifle and CE 545 was fired first followed by CE 544 second. The visual inspection of the depth of the indentation on the side of the shells, referred to as the “chamber mark” in the FBI shell analysis report sent to Rankin, indicate the firing order. CE 543 is the only shell casing of the 30+ shells examined by Thompson that did not have the “chamber mark” on the side of the shell casing. 

CE 141, the unfired cartridge ejected from the chamber of the carcano, also has a “chamber mark” indentation from just the heat expansion of the chamber of the rifle due to firing the other two rounds.

All of this information is available in the Smithsonian and easily accessible and provable to a firearms expert.  The FBI has already determined the indentation on the side of the shell casings came from the chamber of the rifle. Another 30+ shells observed by Thompson prove it.


It’s bizarre, given the enormity of the event, that no one has recreated the shots from the sixth floor to record echoes and compare audio data. It wouldn’t be expensive. Yet everyone argues about ballistics and acoustics based on interpretations of old recordings — while the number of living witnesses dwindles each year.


Two shots are no great feat of marksmanship. Especially given the distances of 55 yards and 88 yards.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2025, 09:24:29 AM »
Go to patspeer.com and he breaks this down very well. I can't remember the details but he found there was a black guy who I think so Oswald and the stairs and some such thing.

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2025, 10:05:48 AM »
Go to patspeer.com and he breaks this down very well. I can't remember the details but he found there was a black guy who I think so Oswald and the stairs and some such thing.

English, please.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2025, 05:10:00 PM »

     We have Proven UNLOCKED Gates for a continuous period of 2 Hrs following the Kill Shot, and these same Gates connect directly to the TSBD, yet you choose to simply walk away from this revelation? Which one of you guys is Sgt. Frank Drebin, "The Naked Gun"?  You simply are Not serious JFK Assassination researchers.   

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The JFK case is deeply problematic. Every attempt to tie Oswald to the assassination spawns conspiracy theories simply because you’re wading into a fog of misinformation. There were nearly a dozen investigators, yet no one was properly overseeing things. It’s hardly surprising that the evidence was trampled, smeared, torn apart, and destroyed in the chaotic rush.
I don’t take things at face value. In my experience, under stress, the human brain tends to fill in gaps in memory — very few people have a photographic recall, let alone the ability to accurately recreate events on paper.
I lean toward the official version because I’m willing to accept it as mostly truthful. That doesn’t excuse the strange behavior of the intelligence agencies or the chaos within them ahead of an expected leadership change. But the official narrative has one glaring flaw — the biggest of all. Once you answer it, the case falls into place: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository? Years have passed, and no one has been able to provide a clear answer.
You don’t need to ask about a third party. You don’t need to link Ruby and Oswald — jurisprudence (let alone history) doesn’t deal in maybes, and even if they knew each other, that’s a separate issue. In law, things proceed step by step.
So, you have the Texas School Book Depository. You have the sixth floor, where three spent rifle cartridges were found near an open window. Later, the rifle itself was discovered there. You have a list of employees, one of whom is missing — his coworkers say he was there, but he’s gone.
You need to find him — to determine why he vanished: fear, illness, flight. Maybe you’ll get fingerprints that match. Maybe you’ll find gunshot residue that aligns. But the key evidence is how the shooter left the crime scene.
And we have conflicting witness statements, even doubts about the number of shots fired — 2, 3, 5, possibly including a blank, 8…
Let’s say there were three shots. We have three shell casings. And we know the shooter had to be skilled. So we’re looking for marksmen — hard to narrow down in America, where every other man can shoot. In Italy, France, or Russia, maybe one in five served in wars. A reenactment with three shots would require intense focus.
Suppose there were only two shots — then why a third casing? I doubt there’s any method to determine, based on the casings alone, when each shot was fired — if that’s even possible.
Even if you match the prints and prove the rifle was Oswald’s, that doesn’t directly prove he pulled the trigger. Even if you have a written confession backed by a "lie detector," it’s still not definitive.
The strongest evidence — the critical link — is how the shooter left the scene. Who walked away from where those three shell casings were found?
All these years later — and it’s been a long time — no one has clearly explained how the "owner of those three shell casings" got off the sixth floor or which route he took. Oswald’s testimony won’t help — he denied everything. I’m not even sure anyone asked him why he left work early that day. No experiment has answered it, either.
It’s bizarre, given the enormity of the event, that no one has recreated the shots from the sixth floor to record echoes and compare audio data. It wouldn’t be expensive. Yet everyone argues about ballistics and acoustics based on interpretations of old recordings — while the number of living witnesses dwindles each year.
And were all buildings overlooking Dealey Plaza thoroughly checked?
But I suspect that until someone answers the question of the "owner of the three shell casings," the JFK case will keep spawning new theories.  :-[

How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

He descended the stairs.

The owner of the three shells was Lee Harvey Oswald.

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