How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

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Online John Mytton

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2025, 05:29:57 AM »
   In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest. His prints would be found on the boxes inside the sniper's nest, but order filling/handling boxes with books inside them was his job. Easily explaining his prints being on those boxes. After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him.

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In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest.

First of all I appreciate that you are trying to create a narrative because most CT's are too gutless to explain their beliefs, because most likely they know that any alternative to the official version ultimately never makes sense.
Oswald was nobody's lapdog, he was arrogant and fiercely independent, I can't imagine a scenario where some conspirators could get Oswald to construct a sniper's nest for someone else to take shots from, even if Oswald was told that these sniper's were just taking pot shots, how stupid do we have to believe that Oswald was? But if Oswald built the sniper's nest for himself then that is perfectly logical and fits Oswald's psychological profile.

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After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom.

This old chestnut, why have Oswald be in a space where people frequent? If Oswald was seen in the lunchroom as the shots were fired, he would have a great alibi but that's obviously not the plan. Wouldn't the plan be planting Oswald's rifle on the 6th floor so Oswald would clearly be linked to the assassination, that's kind of a no brainer.

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That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him.

Well not exactly, Oswald wasn't seated within the 2nd floor lunchroom but was on foot entering the second floor lunchroom. And again the official narrative makes more sense, Oswald coming down from the 6th floor quickly ducked into the lunchroom after he heard Truly shout up the elevator shaft.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2025, 04:39:49 PM »

  JOHN -  (1) Oswald was a Marine. He knew how to follow orders and that it takes several bricks working in concert to construct a wall. His constructing the sniper's nest would follow this military thought process.
              (2) If you're gonna have a "patsy", (rifle stolen/ fired/, planted), you need to know EXACTLY where the Patsy is when everything goes down. Oswald following orders and being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom achieves this.

              (3) Oswald bought a Coke inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. Very natural for him to do this. He did Not have to be chained to a table inside that Lunchroom.

             (4) I do Not buy the Oswald leaving the stairwell and then running into the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. Do you know that as you exit the 2nd Floor Stairwell, to your Immediate (R) is a window? Directly Underneath that window is the ROOF that runs directly Above The HUGE GATES? It would be quicker/easier to go out that window onto the Roof of the Huge Gates vs fleeing into the Lunchroom. There is film footage of a suited man Entering this same window from that same roof top. I do Not know who shot this film or how long after the kill shot it was shot.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2025, 07:30:24 PM »
Bookout missed at least an hour

Irrelevant, since he was there when they were discussing lunch and the two negro coworkers.

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and Oswald was telling one provable lie after another.

LOL.  Something isn't a "provable lie" merely because YOU believe something else is true.

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WOW, talking about "selective rhetoric", no where does this Bookout report say that Oswald saw Junior and the short fellow "just minutes before the assassination"

No, but that is when Norman and Jarman walked through the shipping area.  Which is what I said.

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but it does say that they walked through the room and we know for a fact that they didn't walk through the Domino room!

Bookhout didn't say "Domino room" either.

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Another Oswald fabrication. Oswald had no alibi because Oswald was on the 6th floor with Oswald's rifle assassinating the President!

Cool story, bro.

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Oswald tells U.S. Secret Service Kelley that he ate lunch with two coloured boys.

They didn't interrogate Oswald separately.  They all are reporting on the same interrogation.  You don't know which version (if any) is accurate.

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"Selective rhetoric" indeed! LOL This is why you can never trust a devout Conspiracy Theorist because they never tell the WHOLE story and just pick and choose whatever evidence fits their worldview.

Hilarious, coming from the guy who cherry-picked "having lunch with" and didn't tell the whole story.

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That's why it's so easy to be a CT because their fall back of everyone lied except who the CT's say, said the truth, fits every Conspiracy scenario.

Yet another "Mytton" strawman.  Nobody said "everyone lied".  You are the one claiming "provable lies" without any actual proof.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2025, 07:33:34 PM »
Now, even though Oswald clearly lied, he says ate alone but in the same room he was with Junior and Norman therefore Oswald ate lunch with the two negro men, it doesn't even mean that they were sitting together, for instance I was at a film premier and in the same theatre was the movie star who appeared in the movie, so is it wrong of me to say I saw the movie with the movie star? Of course not!

Nice try, but nobody said "in the same room".

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Another problem for Oswald's alibi is that he assumed that even though Junior and Norman were friends, on this particular day they didn't eat together in the Domino room! Ouch!

Nice try, but nobody said Junior and Norman ate together.

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BTW how would the interrogators know at this stage to make up a story that Junior and Norman were even friends who hung out together, as seen by the two negro men arriving together at the fifth floor windows directly below Oswald with Oswald's rifle? See how intelligent deductive reasoning beats CT's who make dumbass assumptions!

Who said they did?  Yet another "Mytton" strawman.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2025, 07:56:55 PM »
   My route through the Huge Gates is the most plausible avenue of escape. Straight Down the stairwell and out the Huge Gates, which we know are open due to the Martin Film showing them Open when Amos Euins is going down the Elm Ext on the back of the Harkness DPD 3 Wheel motorcycle. (5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot). People want to complicate the shooter(s) escape route, but it really is very simple.

These overhead doors on the west side were open as well.


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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #75 on: May 08, 2025, 09:00:24 PM »

  IACOLETTI - Thanks for pointing out those TSBD Overhead Doors. Those overhead doors on the TSBD West Side lead directly into that driveway/space that sits Behind the Huge Gates. Where this gets a little cloudy is that the Floor Level of the TSBD 1st Floor is Higher than the floor level of the driveway behind the Huge Gates. You can see this in the 3 Tramps Photo. The feet of the 3 Tramps and the ground behind the Huge Gates is several feet Lower than the Floor of the TSBD 1st Floor. I don't know if there were Steps/Stairs leading from the driveway directly UP INTO the TSBD or what. I also do Not know for certain that those Overhead Doors were Open at roughly 12:30. I do know that Lovelady gave WC Testimony that he opened at least 1 of those Overhead Doors 1st thing every morning. He did this so that Truly and the other TSBD Head Honchos could walk from the back loading dock where they parked, straight on through into the TSBD. But, if those Overhead Door(s) were Open, (which they probably were), you're correct. Oswald or anyone else could have walked down the stairwell, got off at the 1st Floor, walked through an overhead door, onto the driveway, and then walk straight out the OPEN HUGE GATES onto the Elm St Ext.   

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #76 on: May 09, 2025, 05:29:40 AM »

No, but that is when Norman and Jarman walked through the shipping area.  Which is what I said.


Slow down and think before you type.

Oswald's alibi was that at the time of the assassination, he was in the Lunch room.
The following report says that during the time Oswald claimed that he ate his lunch, two negro employees walked through the room.
And outside of the lunch room on the first floor was as you say was the shipping area, which as your terminology rightfully points out is not a room.
Norman and Junior got in the elevator and went straight from the first floor to the fifth floor, which rules out any encounter on the 2nd floor and the lunchroom there.



Oswald also told Fritz that he ate lunch with Junior. Bzzzzztt, wrong!

Mr. BALL. He mentioned who he was having lunch with, did he not?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he told me he was having lunch when the President was shot.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. FRITZ. With someone called Junior, someone he worked with down there, but he didn't remember the other boy's name.




Therefore Oswald kept fabricating ever evolving alibi's which are contradicted by the facts.

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