How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

[John Mytton]

Nice try, but nobody said Junior and Norman ate together.

Oswald told Kelley on the day that Kennedy was assassinated, that Junior and a little short negro boy ate lunch with him in the lunchroom and Norman was quite short and the two negro men went out front together and the two negro men went with each other to the 5th floor and directly above Norman was Oswald with Oswald's rifle waiting for the President. While it's true that we don't know that Junior ate with Norman(little short negro boy) in the lunchroom on previous days, it logically follows that Oswald based his lie on this observation.



From left to right, Williams, Norman and Jarman.



And at the end of the day the most important evidence is that Jarman didn't eat with Oswald, so in trying to bluff his way to an alibi, Oswald categorically lied.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

Yet another "Mytton" strawman.  Nobody said "everyone lied".  You are the one claiming "provable lies" without any actual proof.

Stop cherry picking and quote me correctly, what I said was "That's why it's so easy to be a CT because their fall back of everyone lied except who the CT's say, said the truth".
And you're prime example, in the thread linked below, at the Texas Theatre multiple Policemen arrested Oswald and the way you selectively pick and choose your narrative to protect a Killer is frankly insane. For example Oswald reached for his revolver(which BTW was the same revolver that killed Tippit and a reason they were there) and according to McDonald, Oswald was drawing it, but erroneously you argued that carrying a concealed weapon wasn't a crime(it actually was according to Belin) and that basically you implied that the Police should have let Oswald draw his revolver out into the open and kill them all!

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3606.0.html

Mr. BALL - Did you feel the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Which hand was--was his right hand or his left hand on the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - His right hand was on the pistol.
Mr. BALL - And which of your hands?
Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What happened

McDonald felt the movement of the hammer between his thumb and forefinger and other Police Officers besides McDonald heard the snap which they recognised as a revolver, only Hawkins wasn't exactly sure of the source but he did hear the snap.

Mr. BALL - Had you felt any movement of the hammer?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir. When this hand--we went down into the seats.
Mr. BALL - When your left hand went into the seats, what happened?
Mr. McDONALD - It felt like something had grazed across my hand. I felt movement there. And that was the only movement I felt. And I heard a snap. I didn't know what it was at the time.
Mr. BALL - Was the pistol out of his waist at that time?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. HUTSON. And the gun was waving around towards the back of the seat, up and down, and I heard a snapping sound at one time.
Mr. BELIN. What kind of snapping sound was it?
Mr. HUTSON. Sounded like the snap of a pistol, to me, when a pistol snaps.

Mr. BELIN. Was it a click of the seat?
Mr. WALKER. Well, I assume it was a click at a revolver on the shell, and that is when the gun was doing the most moving around.

Mr. BALL. Did you hear any snap of the hammer?
Mr. HAWKINS. I heard something that I thought was a snap. I didn't know whether it was a snap of a pistol--I later learned that they were sure it was.
I didn't know whether it was a snap of the gun or whether it was in the seats someone making the noise.



JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

I’m still having a problem with Oswald being so stupid. Would Oswald have specifically mentioned eating lunch with 2 coincidentally black TSBD employees whom  Oswald did not even had any conversation with?

IMO the reason Oswald to mention specifically 2 black employees is because Oswajd saw them go past the Domino room at 12:25 approx , while Oswald was eating by himself in the Domino room.

As far as any running down the stairs by either Oswald or a conspirator shooter, it’s not quite so simple and easy , because Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles were starting  down the 4th floor staircase as early as 25 secs post shots.

Therefore, Dorothy Garner who followed behind them “””almost immediately” after they had left the office door, would have Garner standing near the rear staircase by 40 secs post shots, which is only way that Garner could have heard THEM ( Adams/Stiles) still going down the stairs.

If it was just some “noise on the steps”  that Garner heard, then I do not think she would have used the specific word “THEM” when describing what she heard.

If the shooter was Oswald, and he was not wearing gloves, then Oswald has to wipe the rifle clean of prints. That requires either an additional 10 secs of time when Oswald stopped at the boxes near the staircase , or Oswald had to run slower at a double time speed of 8ft/sec to be able to simultaneously wipe prints off the ridge while running with it.

The fastest probable time (imo) that Oswald would be starting down the staircase from 6th floor if he was able to simultaneously wipe the rifle and double time  the 180ft distance, would be 40 secs post shots. This is because of  2 witnesses, Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch having seen a rifle slowly being withdrawn from the TSBD 6th floor SE corner window AFTER the last shot was fired. And it took a few secs at least for Jackson to spot the rifle , a few more secs to exclaim “there’s a rifle in that window” as he pointed towards it, and a few secs more for Couch to look up and find which window Jackson was pointing at.

Also, the snipers nest before it was rearranged  by Fritz and team, was boxed in with  a very narrow opening, according to Tom Aleya.

So that adds a few secs more for the shooter to have to squeeze thru carrying the his rifle.

Therefore, although that’s an interesting new idea by Storing that a person could jump out from the 2nd floor west side window of TSBD window and be on top of the roof of that adjacent building attached to TSBD,  the running down the stairs part is still has a problem because of Garner/Adams/Stiles.

Maybe , though, the idea of jumping out the 2nd floor west window can synthesized with the idea of the east elevator operated by accomplice to transport a shooter to the 2nd floor landing by 50 secs post shots?

[Royell Storing]

  MASON - I have proven via Image Evidence that those Huge Gates were Open/Ajar. (Towner Film & Couch Film Reverse Negative). This means at least 1 Man on those Huge Gates during the shots being fired. Probably also a Spotter + The Shooter on the TSBD 6th Floor. And then comes Oswald cooling his heels inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. This means 4 guys minimum. This was a well planned operation, with Oswald being the "inside man". Oswald knew the TSBD connected to the Huge Gates, and he knew about that 2nd Floor window being right next to the stairwell, leading to the roof top. Oswald collecting book orders up and down the 6 floors of the TSBD, means he would have known every nook-n-cranny inside and outside of that building. 

[John Iacoletti]

Oswald's alibi was that at the time of the assassination, he was in the Lunch room.
The following report says that during the time Oswald claimed that he ate his lunch, two negro employees walked through the room.
And outside of the lunch room on the first floor was as you say was the shipping area, which as your terminology rightfully points out is not a room.

Of course it's a room.

Norman and Junior got in the elevator and went straight from the first floor to the fifth floor, which rules out any encounter on the 2nd floor and the lunchroom there.

Who said anything about the second floor?

Oswald also told Fritz that he ate lunch with Junior. Bzzzzztt, wrong!

Fritz, Kelly, and Bookhout are all talking about the same interrogation session.  You don't know which account (if any) is accurate.

[John Iacoletti]

For example Oswald reached for his revolver(which BTW was the same revolver that killed Tippit and a reason they were there)

LOL

and according to McDonald, Oswald was drawing it, but erroneously you argued that carrying a concealed weapon wasn't a crime

I didn't argue that.  Speaking of quoting people incorrectly.

(it actually was according to Belin) and that basically you implied that the Police should have let Oswald draw his revolver out into the open and kill them all!

What you want to pretend I "implied" is irrelevant.

[Zeon Mason]

@STORING: Euins, Couch ,Jackson, and Brennan were 4 of the closest witness to observe a rifle in the hands of someone at the SE 6th floor TSBD window , agreed?

Why do NONE of them see a scope on the rifle?

Arnold Rowland, however, who was a block away and looking diagonally across that block at  distance of 250 ft ( 2x farther away) at the SW 6th floor TSBD window DID see a scope on a rifle held by someone at 12:15pm.

Euins said the rifle barrel  he saw at the SE window looked like a pipe about 15” long by 1/2 inch in diameter. And he thought he could see about 3ft of the rifle sticking out the window. And yet he saw no scope even though from his perspective the left side scope of the MC rifle would have been easy to see. Euins was far sighted so how he was unable to  see the left side mounted  scope of the MC rifle is a mystery from a distance of only about 100ft away (distance includes looking up the 72 ft height side of the TSBD to 6th floor level)

Jackson and Couch from their car position still on Houston st and not far from turning on Elm st (judging from the W-film, ) saw no scope either.

What about 2 shooters on the 6th floor of TSBD as a theory? The SE window shooter got the Z313 shot and then he could have been able to
Run to the rear staircase in 10 secs ( only 80 ft away). He could have tossed his rifle out the 6th floor west  window beside the staircase just before he starts down the stairs.

The rifle in about 3 secs would fall and land on the roof of that adjacent annex building which is at the 2nd floor level of TSBD.

Somebody waiting on that 2nd story high roof hides the rifle somewhere?