How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

[John Iacoletti]

Bookout missed at least an hour

Irrelevant, since he was there when they were discussing lunch and the two negro coworkers.

and Oswald was telling one provable lie after another.

LOL.  Something isn't a "provable lie" merely because YOU believe something else is true.

WOW, talking about "selective rhetoric", no where does this Bookout report say that Oswald saw Junior and the short fellow "just minutes before the assassination"

No, but that is when Norman and Jarman walked through the shipping area.  Which is what I said.

but it does say that they walked through the room and we know for a fact that they didn't walk through the Domino room!

Bookhout didn't say "Domino room" either.

Another Oswald fabrication. Oswald had no alibi because Oswald was on the 6th floor with Oswald's rifle assassinating the President!

Cool story, bro.

Oswald tells U.S. Secret Service Kelley that he ate lunch with two coloured boys.

They didn't interrogate Oswald separately.  They all are reporting on the same interrogation.  You don't know which version (if any) is accurate.

"Selective rhetoric" indeed! LOL This is why you can never trust a devout Conspiracy Theorist because they never tell the WHOLE story and just pick and choose whatever evidence fits their worldview.

Hilarious, coming from the guy who cherry-picked "having lunch with" and didn't tell the whole story.

That's why it's so easy to be a CT because their fall back of everyone lied except who the CT's say, said the truth, fits every Conspiracy scenario.

Yet another "Mytton" strawman.  Nobody said "everyone lied".  You are the one claiming "provable lies" without any actual proof.

[John Iacoletti]

Now, even though Oswald clearly lied, he says ate alone but in the same room he was with Junior and Norman therefore Oswald ate lunch with the two negro men, it doesn't even mean that they were sitting together, for instance I was at a film premier and in the same theatre was the movie star who appeared in the movie, so is it wrong of me to say I saw the movie with the movie star? Of course not!

Nice try, but nobody said "in the same room".

Another problem for Oswald's alibi is that he assumed that even though Junior and Norman were friends, on this particular day they didn't eat together in the Domino room! Ouch!

Nice try, but nobody said Junior and Norman ate together.

BTW how would the interrogators know at this stage to make up a story that Junior and Norman were even friends who hung out together, as seen by the two negro men arriving together at the fifth floor windows directly below Oswald with Oswald's rifle? See how intelligent deductive reasoning beats CT's who make dumbass assumptions!

Who said they did?  Yet another "Mytton" strawman.

[John Iacoletti]

   My route through the Huge Gates is the most plausible avenue of escape. Straight Down the stairwell and out the Huge Gates, which we know are open due to the Martin Film showing them Open when Amos Euins is going down the Elm Ext on the back of the Harkness DPD 3 Wheel motorcycle. (5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot). People want to complicate the shooter(s) escape route, but it really is very simple.

These overhead doors on the west side were open as well.

[Royell Storing]

  IACOLETTI - Thanks for pointing out those TSBD Overhead Doors. Those overhead doors on the TSBD West Side lead directly into that driveway/space that sits Behind the Huge Gates. Where this gets a little cloudy is that the Floor Level of the TSBD 1st Floor is Higher than the floor level of the driveway behind the Huge Gates. You can see this in the 3 Tramps Photo. The feet of the 3 Tramps and the ground behind the Huge Gates is several feet Lower than the Floor of the TSBD 1st Floor. I don't know if there were Steps/Stairs leading from the driveway directly UP INTO the TSBD or what. I also do Not know for certain that those Overhead Doors were Open at roughly 12:30. I do know that Lovelady gave WC Testimony that he opened at least 1 of those Overhead Doors 1st thing every morning. He did this so that Truly and the other TSBD Head Honchos could walk from the back loading dock where they parked, straight on through into the TSBD. But, if those Overhead Door(s) were Open, (which they probably were), you're correct. Oswald or anyone else could have walked down the stairwell, got off at the 1st Floor, walked through an overhead door, onto the driveway, and then walk straight out the OPEN HUGE GATES onto the Elm St Ext.   

[John Mytton]

No, but that is when Norman and Jarman walked through the shipping area.  Which is what I said.

Slow down and think before you type.

Oswald's alibi was that at the time of the assassination, he was in the Lunch room.
The following report says that during the time Oswald claimed that he ate his lunch, two negro employees walked through the room.
And outside of the lunch room on the first floor was as you say was the shipping area, which as your terminology rightfully points out is not a room.
Norman and Junior got in the elevator and went straight from the first floor to the fifth floor, which rules out any encounter on the 2nd floor and the lunchroom there.



Oswald also told Fritz that he ate lunch with Junior. Bzzzzztt, wrong!

Mr. BALL. He mentioned who he was having lunch with, did he not?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he told me he was having lunch when the President was shot.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. FRITZ. With someone called Junior, someone he worked with down there, but he didn't remember the other boy's name.



Therefore Oswald kept fabricating ever evolving alibi's which are contradicted by the facts.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Nice try, but nobody said Junior and Norman ate together.

Oswald told Kelley on the day that Kennedy was assassinated, that Junior and a little short negro boy ate lunch with him in the lunchroom and Norman was quite short and the two negro men went out front together and the two negro men went with each other to the 5th floor and directly above Norman was Oswald with Oswald's rifle waiting for the President. While it's true that we don't know that Junior ate with Norman(little short negro boy) in the lunchroom on previous days, it logically follows that Oswald based his lie on this observation.



From left to right, Williams, Norman and Jarman.



And at the end of the day the most important evidence is that Jarman didn't eat with Oswald, so in trying to bluff his way to an alibi, Oswald categorically lied.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

Yet another "Mytton" strawman.  Nobody said "everyone lied".  You are the one claiming "provable lies" without any actual proof.

Stop cherry picking and quote me correctly, what I said was "That's why it's so easy to be a CT because their fall back of everyone lied except who the CT's say, said the truth".
And you're prime example, in the thread linked below, at the Texas Theatre multiple Policemen arrested Oswald and the way you selectively pick and choose your narrative to protect a Killer is frankly insane. For example Oswald reached for his revolver(which BTW was the same revolver that killed Tippit and a reason they were there) and according to McDonald, Oswald was drawing it, but erroneously you argued that carrying a concealed weapon wasn't a crime(it actually was according to Belin) and that basically you implied that the Police should have let Oswald draw his revolver out into the open and kill them all!

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3606.0.html

Mr. BALL - Did you feel the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Which hand was--was his right hand or his left hand on the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - His right hand was on the pistol.
Mr. BALL - And which of your hands?
Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What happened

McDonald felt the movement of the hammer between his thumb and forefinger and other Police Officers besides McDonald heard the snap which they recognised as a revolver, only Hawkins wasn't exactly sure of the source but he did hear the snap.

Mr. BALL - Had you felt any movement of the hammer?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir. When this hand--we went down into the seats.
Mr. BALL - When your left hand went into the seats, what happened?
Mr. McDONALD - It felt like something had grazed across my hand. I felt movement there. And that was the only movement I felt. And I heard a snap. I didn't know what it was at the time.
Mr. BALL - Was the pistol out of his waist at that time?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. HUTSON. And the gun was waving around towards the back of the seat, up and down, and I heard a snapping sound at one time.
Mr. BELIN. What kind of snapping sound was it?
Mr. HUTSON. Sounded like the snap of a pistol, to me, when a pistol snaps.

Mr. BELIN. Was it a click of the seat?
Mr. WALKER. Well, I assume it was a click at a revolver on the shell, and that is when the gun was doing the most moving around.

Mr. BALL. Did you hear any snap of the hammer?
Mr. HAWKINS. I heard something that I thought was a snap. I didn't know whether it was a snap of a pistol--I later learned that they were sure it was.
I didn't know whether it was a snap of the gun or whether it was in the seats someone making the noise.



JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

I’m still having a problem with Oswald being so stupid. Would Oswald have specifically mentioned eating lunch with 2 coincidentally black TSBD employees whom  Oswald did not even had any conversation with?

IMO the reason Oswald to mention specifically 2 black employees is because Oswajd saw them go past the Domino room at 12:25 approx , while Oswald was eating by himself in the Domino room.

As far as any running down the stairs by either Oswald or a conspirator shooter, it’s not quite so simple and easy , because Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles were starting  down the 4th floor staircase as early as 25 secs post shots.

Therefore, Dorothy Garner who followed behind them “””almost immediately” after they had left the office door, would have Garner standing near the rear staircase by 40 secs post shots, which is only way that Garner could have heard THEM ( Adams/Stiles) still going down the stairs.

If it was just some “noise on the steps”  that Garner heard, then I do not think she would have used the specific word “THEM” when describing what she heard.

If the shooter was Oswald, and he was not wearing gloves, then Oswald has to wipe the rifle clean of prints. That requires either an additional 10 secs of time when Oswald stopped at the boxes near the staircase , or Oswald had to run slower at a double time speed of 8ft/sec to be able to simultaneously wipe prints off the ridge while running with it.

The fastest probable time (imo) that Oswald would be starting down the staircase from 6th floor if he was able to simultaneously wipe the rifle and double time  the 180ft distance, would be 40 secs post shots. This is because of  2 witnesses, Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch having seen a rifle slowly being withdrawn from the TSBD 6th floor SE corner window AFTER the last shot was fired. And it took a few secs at least for Jackson to spot the rifle , a few more secs to exclaim “there’s a rifle in that window” as he pointed towards it, and a few secs more for Couch to look up and find which window Jackson was pointing at.

Also, the snipers nest before it was rearranged  by Fritz and team, was boxed in with  a very narrow opening, according to Tom Aleya.

So that adds a few secs more for the shooter to have to squeeze thru carrying the his rifle.

Therefore, although that’s an interesting new idea by Storing that a person could jump out from the 2nd floor west side window of TSBD window and be on top of the roof of that adjacent building attached to TSBD,  the running down the stairs part is still has a problem because of Garner/Adams/Stiles.

Maybe , though, the idea of jumping out the 2nd floor west window can synthesized with the idea of the east elevator operated by accomplice to transport a shooter to the 2nd floor landing by 50 secs post shots?