How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

[Richard Smith]

There are certain facts that most can agree on:

1) Shots were fired at 12:30 from the 6th floor.  That means that someone was on that floor at that moment.
2) Oswald's rifle was left on that floor and was used to fire the shots (some of the more fringe CTers might take issue with this but it appears conclusive even to many CTers).  You don't even have to accept that, however, in this context.
3) The 6th floor shooter escaped that floor unnoticed regardless of any pedantic fraction of a second attempted reconstruction of witness movements in the building.
4) The only apparent way for anyone on the 6th floor to get off that floor after the shots were fired is - wait for it - DOWN THE STAIRS.  The elevators were not in a position to be used.
5) No one was noticed going down the stairs.
6) Oswald was seen on the 2nd floor a couple of minutes later.

All of this tells us that whoever fired the shots at 12:30 - whether Oswald or someone else - managed to escape unnoticed by going down the stairs.  We know this is possible without engaging in a pedantic down to the second analysis of witness statements because the facts demonstrate it must have happened.  The only quibble is whether the evidence puts Oswald on the 6th floor as the shooter.  Not whether anyone could get down those stairs unnoticed.  Someone did.

[Martin Weidmann]

There are certain facts that most can agree on:

1) Shots were fired at 12:30 from the 6th floor.  That means that someone was on that floor at that moment.
2) Oswald's rifle was left on that floor and was used to fire the shots (some of the more fringe CTers might take issue with this but it appears conclusive even to many CTers).  You don't even have to accept that, however, in this context.
3) The 6th floor shooter escaped that floor unnoticed regardless of any pedantic fraction of a second attempted reconstruction of witness movements in the building.
4) The only apparent way for anyone on the 6th floor to get off that floor after the shots were fired is - wait for it - DOWN THE STAIRS.  The elevators were not in a position to be used.
5) No one was noticed going down the stairs.
6) Oswald was seen on the 2nd floor a couple of minutes later.

All of this tells us that whoever fired the shots at 12:30 - whether Oswald or someone else - managed to escape unnoticed by going down the stairs.  We know this is possible without engaging in a pedantic down to the second analysis of witness statements because the facts demonstrate it must have happened.  The only quibble is whether the evidence puts Oswald on the 6th floor as the shooter.  Not whether anyone could get down those stairs unnoticed.  Someone did.

1) Shots were fired at 12:30 from the 6th floor.  That means that someone was on that floor at that moment.

Really? Are you sure that everybody agrees with that? Or even just "most"?

2) Oswald's rifle was left on that floor and was used to fire the shots (some of the more fringe CTers might take issue with this but it appears conclusive even to many CTers).  You don't even have to accept that, however, in this context.

There was a rifle left on the 6th floor, that much is true. And it may well be that it was used to fire shots. There is, however, nothing conclusive about your claim that the rifle belonged to Oswald or that it was fired on 11/22/63.

3) The 6th floor shooter escaped that floor unnoticed regardless of any pedantic fraction of a second attempted reconstruction of witness movements in the building.

Well, it is certainly true that a 6th floor shooter (if he was there) did escape from that floor, but how that was done has never been explained or examined. The claim that the shooter went down the stairs directly after the shots is, if you think about, something rather stupid. Why would such a shooter risk running into people coming up on those narrow stairs? Sometimes the best strategy is to hide in plain sight. The 6th floor is big enough to hide for a while behind some boxes and reappear, pretending to be law enforcement officer searching like the others, when a bunch of people have arrived on the 6th floor. It's easy to slip away in chaos. Just a theory, mind you, but then the same goes for the shooter running down the stairs just after the shots. Obviously, you are free to dismiss this possibility, but if you do, please tell us why you dismiss it?

4) The only apparent way for anyone on the 6th floor to get off that floor after the shots were fired is - wait for it - DOWN THE STAIRS.  The elevators were not in a position to be used.

True... the question that you need to answer is when did that person (shooter if you like) actually go down the stairs?

5) No one was noticed going down the stairs.

Exactly my point. People had other things to do to notice just one more guy going up or down the stairs.

6) Oswald was seen on the 2nd floor a couple of minutes later.

True, if Truly and Baker are to be believed, but he could have been there for some time. Carolyn Arnold said she saw him there minutes prior to the assassination. But I'm sure you feel she lied, right?

All of this tells us that whoever fired the shots at 12:30 - whether Oswald or someone else - managed to escape unnoticed by going down the stairs.  We know this is possible without engaging in a pedantic down to the second analysis of witness statements because the facts demonstrate it must have happened.  The only quibble is whether the evidence puts Oswald on the 6th floor as the shooter.  Not whether anyone could get down those stairs unnoticed.  Someone did.

So, you just want us to assume that "someone" was in fact Oswald? Just as I thought, no actual evidence, just assumptions!

[Royell Storing]

  (3) You can hear people on the stairwell. That stairwell was old and creaky. A possible shooter coming down that stairwell could exit the stairwell at the moment he heard someone else on it below him. That stairwell is the quickest way DOWN to the basement and then either walking out the Huge Gates into the Elm St Ext or simply walking straight on through to the loading dock and then out into the railroad yard. Considering that ALL the buildings that previously stretched down the Elm St Ext have been torn down, most people are Not aware that ALL of those buildings and the TSBD were Connected. You could easily walk from one building to the other.

[John Iacoletti]

"Martin" from "Europe" still can't follow simple logic.  If the evidence places Oswald on the 6th floor at 12:30 when the shots were fired AS IT DOES

Except it doesn't.  Flawed premises lead to invalid conclusions.

[John Iacoletti]

It's pretty funny that 60+ years later that the CT's still haven't come up with a viable alternative to the rock solid evidence of the official version.

"Rock solid".  LOL.

Oswald was a loon who ffs defected to Russia at the height of the cold war and when he wasn't accepted by Russia, Oswald slit his wrists, who the heck, besides someone who's verifiably insane, does that?

Cool insult, bro.  What kind of verifiably insane person masquerades as a 229-year-old "eccentric" member of the British parliament?

Oswald also attempted to assassinate General Walker, further proving he was a murderous nutcase!

LOL.

Oswald's rifle with his prints was discovered on the same floor as eyewitnesses saw a man with a rifle.

What happened to the slender man seen on the 6th floor with a rifle, how did HE escape? -crickets-

Oswald's relatively fresh prints were discovered in the sniper's nest and most importantly Oswald's prints which were oriented down Elm street were left on the perfectly sized rifle rest box which was moved half way across the 6th floor.

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.
"fresh prints".  LOL.
"oriented down Elm street".  LOL.
"perfectly sized rifle rest".  LOL.
"moved half way across the 6th floor".  LOL.

Only Oswald is required to be on the second floor within 75-90 seconds of the shots without being seen or heard by any of the 12-14 witnesses along the way.  That doesn't apply to any other slender man, bald-spotted man, man with a brown sport coat, etc.

Oswald being on the move walking in a direction away from the stairs 90 seconds after the assassination while there is commotion and bedlam happening just outside, and just to get a coke is simply illogical! But Oswald coming down from the 6th floor and quickly hiding in the lunchroom after hearing Truly shout up the elevator shaft is perfectly logical.

"logic".  LOL.

After hours of interrogation, Oswald slipped up.

Mr. HOLMES. ... Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about,

Holmes.  LOL.

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke."

Oswald's alibi where he says he had lunch with Junior never happened.

Bookhout attended the same interrogation session and said Oswald said he ate lunch alone and saw Norman and Jarman.  And as it turned out, Norman and Jarman were walking together right past the domino room just minutes before the assassination.

But in the usual "Mytton" fashion, you offer up selective rhetoric.

[Richard Smith]

A shooter is not going to linger on the 6th floor after assassinating the president and "hide in plain sight" knowing the entire law enforcement establishment is descending on the building in moments.  That is laughable.  His only chance is to escape quickly before the building is locked down and the ONLY way to do so is down the stairs.  Multiple witnesses place a shooter on the 6th floor either by seeing the rifle pointing out the window or the folks in the floor below hearing it fired directly above their heads.  There is zero doubt that someone was on the 6th floor with a rifle at 12:30 and went down the stairs unnoticed in the moments after the assassination.  The facts demonstrate not only that it was possible to get down the stairs unnoticed but that is actually what must have happened.

[Royell Storing]

  The TSBD was NEVER Secure. Those HUGE GATES were Not Secure. You can see they are Open/Ajar on the "MARTIN FILM" as Amos Euins sped down the Elm Ext on the back of DPD Officer Harkness 3 Wheel Motorcycle. Those Huge Gates are still OPEN/Ajar when the "3 TRAMPS PHOTO" was snapped as the Tramps were escorted by DPD down the Elm Ext. The Martin footage showing Euins is roughly 5 minutes following the Kill Shot. The 3 TRAMPS PHOTO was snapped somewhere between 1:45-2:00 hrs After the Kill Shot. The TSBD was Continually Not Secure from the Kill Shot up to roughly 2 hrs later.

[John Iacoletti]

A shooter is not going to linger on the 6th floor after assassinating the president and "hide in plain sight" knowing the entire law enforcement establishment is descending on the building in moments.  That is laughable.  His only chance is to escape quickly before the building is locked down and the ONLY way to do so is down the stairs.  Multiple witnesses place a shooter on the 6th floor either by seeing the rifle pointing out the window or the folks in the floor below hearing it fired directly above their heads.  There is zero doubt that someone was on the 6th floor with a rifle at 12:30 and went down the stairs unnoticed in the moments after the assassination.  The facts demonstrate not only that it was possible to get down the stairs unnoticed but that is actually what must have happened.

Predictably, we get yet another mind-reading "common sense" argument from "Richard" rather than evidence.