Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Tom Graves]

I have placed Tom on Eternal Ignore and will not be seeing or responding to his work here or elsewhere, ever.

Dear Fancy Prancer Rants,

Your placing me on "ignore" just makes you even more what I already knew you are -- a Trump-loving, KGB-dismissing ignoramus.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

I've often suspected that the guy in the Alyea film who's standing in the background and who turns his head towards the window and back is Lovelady, standing on a pallet or something.

   Bump regarding previous claim(s).

[Tom Graves]

Bump regarding previous claim(s).

That dude must have been one of the oodles and gobs of "Joe Blows" the police let into the TSBD right after the assassination as a really, really early promotional gig for The Sixth Floor Museum, huh?

[Zeon Mason]

The way it seems to me is that the 2 men that Baker saw  near the rear elevators, (whom both were white men) , are either Lovelady and Shelley, or they are 2 unknown non TSBD employees.

Since the WC was trying to establish that there was no conspiracy, then surely there should have been more effort to identify those 2 men, right? After all, there were  already Mark Lane CTs questioning everything so it seems odd that the WC would not clear up the matter.

So the fact that there was no effort by those questioning Baker to further elaborate about the 2 men, suggest there was some other reason to avoid the issue.

Therefore I think it is warranted to suggest that the 2 men were Lovelady and Shelly and that the reason the WC did  not establish L/S as the 2 men ( this nullifying any CT ? Immediately) must be because identifying the 2 men would iinterfere with the WC theory of Oswald’s staircase descent from 6th floor to 2nd floor lunchroom.

Dorothy Garners statement was suppressed as a seemingly unimportant memo, and she was never called by the WC as a witness. So all the more reason therefore to suspect that the reluctance of the WC to establish Lovelady and Shelley as the 2 men was to avoid establishing the Adams/Stiles 60 sec post shots sighting of Lovelady and Shelley( an vice versa).

But the problem here,  is getting Lovelady and Shelley to the rear elevators by 60 secs post shots, without them having made some contact with Baker and Truly in the front lobby, or at the bottleneck area of the front desk without  the 2 parties having LOS to each other at around 45-50 secs post shots.

This  is where I question is the route that Lovelady and Shelley took was through the front entrance doors of TSBD just ahead ( by only about 10 secs ) of Baker and Truly doing likewise.

I think its just as probable  that Lovelady and Shelley could have left the steps after both of them saw and heard Calvary, and traveled some  200 ft in about 30 more secs from the point where at about 30 secs post shots they seem to be moving in that “ enhanced” clip from Couch (Gerda D’s ) film.

[Royell Storing]

  So Officer Baker thinks there is an active shooter inside the TSBD and he encounters 2 men near the elevator/1st floor exit and he does not confront them? That is strange. Extremely strange.

[Tom Graves]

So, Officer Baker thinks there is an active shooter inside the TSBD and he encounters two men near the elevator/1st floor exit and he does not confront them? That is strange. Extremely strange.

He thought the shots had come from the roof. If he and Truly entered the front door about 30 seconds after the final shot, he probably figured those two guys (who weren't together and one of whom was sitting) couldn't have been on the roof and gotten down to the first floor so quickly.

[Dan O'meara]

For the longest time I didn't believe it was Lovelady (I thought it might be the elusive Jack Dougherty) because this guy seemed really tall, was wearing what appeared to be a less white shirt over a very white t-shirt and the hairline and head shape didn't seem to match with Lovelady from the Martin film (I think the Martin image is somehow distorted):



However, when I compared the image to a Lovelady mugshot it became clear that this man is, indeed, Lovelady:



I believe the Alyea footage shows Fritz in the foreground standing in the area where the rifle was found. It is just after the discovery of the rifle. Off to one side is Lt. Day dusting the rifle for fingerprints. My guess is that it's taken somewhere between 13:40 and 13:50 PM, shortly before Truly comes up from the first floor to tel  Fritz that Oswald is missing.
It would be good to ID the detective that Fritz is talking to, it might help with a more certain timestamp.