Toni Glover

[Charles Collins]

Sure, that's fair enough. From now on, my wife, who is at least 40% less snarky than I, will review all future posts before I hit the button. Believe it or not, this is EXACTLY what Mark Twain's wife Livy did for years. Twain was just about the darkest, nastiest, snarliest character who ever lived, and Livy actually did edit out about 10% of all he wrote, books and letters alike. After she died, he ran amuck and pretty much destroyed his funny-guy reputation. But I digress ...

I see that on the "The girl in blue" thread, which I somehow failed to rudely interrupt, Toni acknowledged the fallibility of memory, including hers. So, I will henceforth cut her some slack and encourage her to share her memories, which I will simply point out in advance would have to be shaky at best. She may ask me anything she likes about my 11th year, and I'll see what I can dredge up.

But now back to Euins. This is Pat Speer's take on him: https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-7b-more-pieces-in-the-plaza. His discussion starts well down the page but just do a "find on page" for Euins and you'll be there.

Pat thinks the Bell and Martin films (of which he has GIFs) show Euins sitting on the pedestal to the left of the Glover pedestal, and it certainly looks like him to me. Why is this not a perfectly acceptable solution? Toni is accurate as far as she goes, Euins was simply a bit confused, and all the brouhaha is much ado about nothing except to those who insist on magnifying minor discrepancies into something dark and sinister.

One mystery is the guy who blocked Toni (and her mother?) from leaving the pedestal. In the GIFs, I see no one around. Is the suggestion that this was something sinister, or could he simply have been trying to protect them in the midst of chaos?

(Wow, that Happye Face avatar gets old fast. I'm going to find something a little more dignified. There, that's better.)

Thanks Lance and please thank your wife for me too.


Pat thinks the Bell and Martin films (of which he has GIFs) show Euins sitting on the pedestal to the left of the Glover pedestal, and it certainly looks like him to me. Why is this not a perfectly acceptable solution? Toni is accurate as far as she goes, Euins was simply a bit confused, and all the brouhaha is much ado about nothing except to those who insist on magnifying minor discrepancies into something dark and sinister.

I agree with the idea that Euins was sitting on the other pedestal. I believe that position has a good view of the sniper in the sixth floor window (similar to Brennan’s view, only a few degrees different). I could understand Euins getting confused under all the extreme circumstances. I suggest that you inflict your wrath directly upon those who actually do “insist on magnifying minor discrepancies into something dark and sinister.”

My guess is that the mystery guy at the base of the pedestal was simply temporarily frozen in shock and probably fear.

[Royell Storing]

  I don't know what definition films you have looked at showing that kid sitting on top of the pedestal close to the steps leading down to Elm St. There are a lot of trashy images of that kid/pedestal. Groden had a pretty crappy version back in the day. The better definition films, to my eye, show a younger/smaller kid than Euins. Euins said he was standing somewhere along Houston St. That pedestal with the kid on top is closer to Elm St vs Houston St.   

[Lance Payette]

  I don't know what definition films you have looked at showing that kid sitting on top of the pedestal close to the steps leading down to Elm St. There are a lot of trashy images of that kid/pedestal. Groden had a pretty crappy version back in the day. The better definition films, to my eye, show a younger/smaller kid than Euins. Euins said he was standing somewhere along Houston St. That pedestal with the kid on top is closer to Elm St vs Houston St.

Well, the definition of the GIFs at Pat Speer's site seems quite good. Yes, that pedestal definitely is more along Elm. Unless we just think he was totally fabricating, which seems highly unlikely, he has to be SOMEWHERE and the other pedestal seems the best bet since the kid looks quite a bit like him.

[Royell Storing]

    I have seen images showing the (S) side of Elm St following the assassination. There's what appears to be a Black kid pointing in the direction of the TSBD, and I believe later on this same kid then runs across Elm St toward the Grassy Knoll between the Ft Worth Sign and the Triple Underpass. This kid on the (S) side of Elm appears to be bigger than the kid on the pedestal. Even before Glover stepped forward, I had read a Euins HSCA interview that focused on his claiming he had a camera that day. And he denied nothing connected to the camera story. He just said something along the lines of losing track of the camera that day and that he did not take any photo(s) of JFK, the Motorcade, TSBD, etc. His 11/22/63 "stories" are sketchy.

[Tom Graves]

I have seen images showing the (S) side of Elm St following the assassination. There's what appears to be a Black kid pointing in the direction of the TSBD, and I believe later on this same kid then runs across Elm St toward the Grassy Knoll between the Ft Worth Sign and the Triple Underpass. This kid on the (S) side of Elm appears to be bigger than the kid on the pedestal. Even before Glover stepped forward, I had read a Euins HSCA interview that focused on his claiming he had a camera that day. And he denied nothing connected to the camera story. He just said something along the lines of losing track of the camera that day and that he did not take any photo(s) of JFK, the Motorcade, TSBD, etc. His 11/22/63 "stories" are sketchy.

Storing,

They probably took his camera from him and destroyed the exposed film because they figured it would be easier to do that than to alter all of the images in it.

[Toni Glover]

Ha! I wish. Robin Unger has other photos of me sledding in the jacket 6 weeks later. The only thing I gave the museum was the letter I wrote for Jackie that my mom never mailed... complete with eleven-year-old grammar and bad spelling.

[Duncan MacRae]

There's a photo of Euins among the throng of people inside the railroad yard, so there's no question he did get back there. .

 

[Toni Glover]

You guys, I’d like to take address a couple of things folks have said I did, that just is not true, even though it is not about Euins.
There are frames of me in the Hughes film with my hands over my head. A couple of years ago I ran across a discussion thread that said, “Is she signaling the assassin?” I assure you I was not. I was desperately trying to get Kennedy to look at me one more time before he disappeared behind a tree. Someone else recently contacted me about the same frames and asked me who I was waving at in the Hughes film. I said, “the president.” She said, “no. you’re waving at someone on the steps of the TSBD.” I said, “No. I was waving at the president and Jacque.” She said, “No! you’re waving at someone on the front steps, and they wave back.” What?!? I said, “I didn’t know anyone on the steps of the TSBD. I was waving at the president and Jacque. She said, “no, there’s a .gif that shows you waving at somebody on the steps, and they wave back!” “I DID NOT KNOW ANYONE ON THE STEPS OF THE TSBD, AND I DID NOT WAVE AT THEM.” The thing kept going back and forth, I won’t bore you with it. The point being, I have no idea what .gif she’s talking about or who created it, but to be crystal clear,
1.   I was eleven. I did not know any of the adults standing on the TSBD front steps.
2.   I did not signal the assassin. I was just a kid delirious because they had smiled and waved, and I wanted them to do it again.
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