Toni Glover

[Charles Collins]

Toni, one of the items that remains unsolved is the timing of the first shot. I have seen your latest SFM interview and remember that you said that thought it was a backfire due to all the nearby motorcycles and other noise. I believe you have also said that the limo had gone out of your sight when the first shot was heard. What I would like to ask you is about any specific reactions, from the people near you, due to the first shot, that you might have noticed and remember.

Here is a GIF clip from the Zapruder film that was prepared by Jerry Organ. It shows some reactions that some of us believe might be due to the first shot.



In the above clip we see the lady in the gold jacket appear to suddenly jump and then raise her hand to her mouth like a lot of people do when surprised, etc. Also on the left side (not circled) is a lady who at the very beginning spins her head around extremely quickly and then turns her head back around and keeps on walking. On the right side near the bottom are two older ladies who appear to be pointing up towards the window where the shots were fired from. There are some other subtle reactions that Jerry Organ circled.

Anyway, I am wondering if you might remember any specific reactions due to the first shot that might could be seen in the photographic record. Please let us know. Thanks!

[James Hackerott]

Hi Toni,
I watched your last conversation with Stephen Fagin on YouTube and enjoyed it. I noticed that Stephen discussed and showed your presence in the Bell, Hughes, and Bronson (part 2) films. There are two more scenes that you’ve possibly seen but I wanted you to see them just in case you haven't.

The first one is the Bronson film part 1 where the ambulance is present and attending the epileptic. Your blue jacket and black skirt appear for a few frames in that group of people. Also, someone (your mother?) sits on the “Glover Pedestal” as if to save your place. By the way, years ago I stood on the Zapruder pedestal and know exactly your sensations about moving around on the 4’ high beveled surface.


The second scene is in the Zapruder film from frames around 198-210. Your blue jacketed arm at your side, (can’t tell which arm), is at top-center of the frames, just to the side of the concrete pylon. I put those frames into a roughly stabilized gif to help visualize it. Just another film for your resume 

[Bill Brown]

Toni, one of the items that remains unsolved is the timing of the first shot. I have seen your latest SFM interview and remember that you said that thought it was a backfire due to all the nearby motorcycles and other noise. I believe you have also said that the limo had gone out of your sight when the first shot was heard. What I would like to ask you is about any specific reactions, from the people near you, due to the first shot, that you might have noticed and remember.

Here is a GIF clip from the Zapruder film that was prepared by Jerry Organ. It shows some reactions that some of us believe might be due to the first shot.



In the above clip we see the lady in the gold jacket appear to suddenly jump and then raise her hand to her mouth like a lot of people do when surprised, etc. Also on the left side (not circled) is a lady who at the very beginning spins her head around extremely quickly and then turns her head back around and keeps on walking. On the right side near the bottom are two older ladies who appear to be pointing up towards the window where the shots were fired from. There are some other subtle reactions that Jerry Organ circled.

Anyway, I am wondering if you might remember any specific reactions due to the first shot that might could be seen in the photographic record. Please let us know. Thanks!

On the right side near the bottom are two older ladies who appear to be pointing up towards the window where the shots were fired from.

Hi Charles... Something to consider...

The "two older ladies" seem to simply be waving to the occupants in the Vice President's car (since the President's limo has very obviously already passed by).  Just my opinion.

[Royell Storing]

   For time stamping, that man in the suit stepping backward up onto the (S) Elm St curb area is Phil Willis. This puts the JFK Limo just about directly in front of those old ladies. The LBJ Convertible can be seen on the Zapruder Film being in the process of turning onto Elm St during this same time period. This sequence is roughly where there is a Splice/Z154 in the Zapruder Film.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

From the youtube...
7:56 And I was the only one who could see his head explode from where we were standing.

[edit] Nope. Toni could not see the jfk headshot from her pozzy. But i will double check.
[edit] Ok i had a look at google maps street view. Toni could indeed see the jfk headshot, at Z313, vizible to the left (from her viewpoint) of the large high concrete pillar near the water feature.

[edited] I see that Toni said that she did not hear Oswald's first shot, this shot was when jfk was under the traffic signals, which would have been seen by Zapruder at about pseudo Z105 to Z110, when the limo was about 40 paces north-west from Toni.

[edited] The guy standing near Toni's perch after the shooting finished was of course Howard Brennan, who had run around to there after Oswald's first & second shot.

[Charles Collins]

Hi Charles... Something to consider...

The "two older ladies" seem to simply be waving to the occupants in the Vice President's car (since the President's limo has very obviously passed by already).  Just my opinion.

Hi Bill, yes you could be correct. I don’t pretend to know anything with any certainty. But I will spell out a few items that I think tend to support my imagination’s view.

 The VP vehicle’s passenger compartment was slightly further east than the sniper’s window at this time. Plus the VP vehicle was way (about 57’) lower in elevation than the sniper’s window. I have done a relatively crude demonstration in my 3D computer model that confirms the angle from the two older ladies’ positions to the sniper’s window is very similar to their arm angles. It seems to me that if they were waving at the VP vehicle’s occupants that they would have had their arms at a significantly lower angle.

The older lady that is furthest left (camera view) appears to me to point (not wave) towards the sniper’s window. Perhaps more importantly, she immediately lowers her arm and turns back towards the President. It seems to me that if she was actually waving at people in the VP vehicle, she probably would have kept her attention on them for a while longer.

The older lady that is furthest right (camera view) appears to me to be waving her hankerchief frantically with her left hand while she is backing up. Then she appears to me to throw her right hand up and point towards the sniper’s window.

I cannot help but believe that they were trying to get the SS agents to look up towards the sniper’s window (because they had already seen him aiming his rifle at the President). My imagination does sometimes tend to show me things that aren’t really there. But I am having trouble getting this imagined scenario out of my head.

[Royell Storing]

 You guys have the time stamping wrong. The JFK Limo is almost directly in front of those old ladies. This would mean the hanky is probably being waved at the JFK Limo. Phil Willis stepping back onto the curb area means he is about to snap Willis 5.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Toni, one of the items that remains unsolved is the timing of the first shot. I have seen your latest SFM interview and remember that you said that thought it was a backfire due to all the nearby motorcycles and other noise. I believe you have also said that the limo had gone out of your sight when the first shot was heard. What I would like to ask you is about any specific reactions, from the people near you, due to the first shot, that you might have noticed and remember.

Here is a GIF clip from the Zapruder film that was prepared by Jerry Organ. It shows some reactions that some of us believe might be due to the first shot.



In the above clip we see the lady in the gold jacket appear to suddenly jump and then raise her hand to her mouth like a lot of people do when surprised, etc. Also on the left side (not circled) is a lady who at the very beginning spins her head around extremely quickly and then turns her head back around and keeps on walking. On the right side near the bottom are two older ladies who appear to be pointing up towards the window where the shots were fired from. There are some other subtle reactions that Jerry Organ circled.

Anyway, I am wondering if you might remember any specific reactions due to the first shot that might could be seen in the photographic record. Please let us know. Thanks!

The jfk limo would have been out of sight of Toni at Z189, blocked by the large high concrete pillar near the water feature (as per my copy of the Dealey Plaza platt)(& as per my copy of someone's estimates of the progress of the jfk limo).
Thus according to Toni the giff & reactions (which starts at say Z164 & ends at say Z194) were before the first shot.
Anyhow, we know that Oswald fired at about pseudo Z105 to Z110, which accords with reactions at Z164 to Z194 (but an early shot at Z105-Z110 duznt accord with Toni's memory).

If the jfk limo went out of sight (at say Z189)(behind the large pillar), then it would have to emerge into sight before Z313 if Toni saw the headshot.
The platt etc suggests that the jfk limo emerges at Z230 (thus jfk was hidden from Toni from Z189 to Z230).
A modern street view shows a clear view from Toni's pedestal to the jfk limo to the left of the large pillar. The view was probly much the same in 1963.
Did Toni ever mention that the jfk limo emerged into sight just before the headshot?

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