Toni Glover

[Royell Storing]

  Toni - Thanks for participating on this Forum, and thanks for going over in detail You and your Mom's dismounting from the Glover Pedestal. Almost everybody here appreciates it. We have people that prefer to only "view", so the audience here is larger than those that choose to post.  Thanks again, and I will be looking for your book release.

[Lance Payette]

I agree. Having Toni Glover here is a real treat. I try to encourage her participation. Why Lance is behaving like he is towards her is a mystery to me.   

Simple:

1. I'm incorrigible.

2. The lovely and talented Ms. Glover has precisely nothing to add to the JFKA equation, as should be clear by now.

3. Any witness who surfaces after 30 years or more can expect to be viewed with a large grain of salt and to be mercilessly cross-examined, not coddled. Just from what I have shown, the lovely and talented Ms. Glover would be reamed, steamed, sliced, diced, and reduced to tearful rubble on actual cross-examination if her testimony were "Amos Lee Euins wasn't there." It's clear from her latest post that her testimony would not be this definitive.

4. Apart from #'s 1-3 above, this, like the Saga of Dentist Don, is yet another example of CT enthusiasts latching onto something that is completely inconsequential even if true and magnifying it into a veritable Conspiracy Factoid. Euins wasn't where he said he was! He couldn't have seen what he said he saw! Oswald is innocent! Really, ya think - all because some 11-year-old kid who surfaced 30 years later doesn't recall seeing him? If Euins was actually having a cheeseburger at Keller's Drive-In, how would this change anything?

I have nothing against the lovely and talented Ms. G. She's enjoying and milking her moment in the sun like all the rest. Certainly, she should be welcome here, but subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else.

Actually, I believe Ms. G and think poor old Euins was probably at the other pedestal (henceforth the Euins Pedestal of Infamy) to the left of Howard Brennan. In his obsessive quest to demolish Max Holland and the "Lost Bullet," Dale Myers goes through Euins' story in great depth (charitably describing him as "malleable"): https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/01/. When you view WC Exhibit 365 with Euins' markings (at Myers' site), it is a bit disorienting. Pat Speer identifies Euins sitting on the pedestal opposite Glover, and my guess would be that Euins simply got turned around. Good Lord, he was a 15-year-old Black kid suddenly caught up in the event of the century, and no one seems to have been as obsessively concerned as modern CTers with EXACTLY where he was standing. If his story has morphed over the years - well, hey, join the club, Amos Lee. More to the point, as set forth in #4 above, WHO CARES?

With that, my response is as it always is when my little contributions are deemed offensive: Oh, boo-hoo. Grow up. Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better. Too bad David Lifton isn't around to read them.

[Charles Collins]

Simple:

1. I'm incorrigible.

2. The lovely and talented Ms. Glover has precisely nothing to add to the JFKA equation, as should be clear by now.

3. Any witness who surfaces after 30 years or more can expect to be viewed with a large grain of salt and to be mercilessly cross-examined, not coddled. Just from what I have shown, the lovely and talented Ms. Glover would be reamed, steamed, sliced, diced, and reduced to tearful rubble on actual cross-examination if her testimony were "Amos Lee Euins wasn't there." It's clear from her latest post that her testimony would not be this definitive.

4. Apart from #'s 1-3 above, this, like the Saga of Dentist Don, is yet another example of CT enthusiasts latching onto something that is completely inconsequential even if true and magnifying it into a veritable Conspiracy Factoid. Euins wasn't where he said he was! He couldn't have seen what he said he saw! Oswald is innocent! Really, ya think - all because some 11-year-old kid who surfaced 30 years later doesn't recall seeing him? If Euins was actually having a cheeseburger at Keller's Drive-In, how would this change anything?

I have nothing against the lovely and talented Ms. G. She's enjoying and milking her moment in the sun like all the rest. Certainly, she should be welcome here, but subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else.

Actually, I believe Ms. G and think poor old Euins was probably at the other pedestal (henceforth the Euins Pedestal of Infamy) to the left of Howard Brennan. In his obsessive quest to demolish Max Holland and the "Lost Bullet," Dale Myers goes through Euins' story in great depth (charitably describing him as "malleable"): https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/01/. When you view WC Exhibit 365 with Euins' markings (at Myers' site), it is a bit disorienting. Pat Speer identifies Euins sitting on the pedestal opposite Glover, and my guess would be that Euins simply got turned around. Good Lord, he was a 15-year-old Black kid suddenly caught up in the event of the century, and no one seems to have been as obsessively concerned as modern CTers with EXACTLY where he was standing. If his story has morphed over the years - well, hey, join the club, Amos Lee. More to the point, as set forth in #4 above, WHO CARES?

With that, my response is as it always is when my little contributions are deemed offensive: Oh, boo-hoo. Grow up. Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better. Too bad David Lifton isn't around to read them.

Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better.


Then, I suggest trying to make her feel comfortable here. Question her all you wish. Attempting to belittle her just because you have some preconceived ideas is ridiculous.

[Lance Payette]

You are not cute, and not helping solve this case.

Wait a minute, why do I have to put up with this vicious sort of stuff???

For the record, I'm cuter than hell in almost every way.

To be honest, I don't really view my mission as "helping solve the case." I'm waiting for someone to make a plausible case that it hasn't been solved. In the meantime, I'm just having fun and, well, letting my natural cuteness run amuck.

Remember, there is that handy "Ignore" feature.

[Royell Storing]

  Euins gave WC Testimony as to seeing shot(s) fired from the TSBD sniper's nest. That's where his value lies. If Euins is mistaken as to where he was standing inside Dealey Plaza when he saw the shots fired, maybe he is mistaken as to actually seeing WHERE those shots were fired from? There were reports of shots being fired from the 4th and 2nd floor of the TSBD. Maybe Euins actually saw shot(s) being fired from either of those floors? I have never heard/read anything out of Euins with respect to his being on Top of a pedestal around that pool. That Black Kid on the other pedestal was sitting On Top of that pedestal. I believe this rules out Euins being confused as to which pedestal he claims to have crouched behind. On the other hand, there is maybe 2-3 frames early-on in the Darnell film showing what looks like a young kid, maybe Black, sitting down at the bottom of that circular walling that surrounds the water pool. This figure/kid? looks to be sitting below where the man wearing the Hard Hat was sitting on top of that circular wall on the Zapruder Film. Euins could Not have hung around that pedestal/circular wall very long. Officer Harkness found Euins back inside the railroad yard. Harkness made a 12:36 police radio transmission that he had a kid that saw shots being fired from the TSBD. (paraphrasing). This 12:36 Harkness radio transmission gives Euins roughly 6 minutes, (probably less), to travel from that circular wall/pedestal? to the railroad yard where Officer Harkness found him. If that is Euins on the Darnell film sitting at the bottom of the circular wall, he has even less time. That portion of the Darnell Film that shows the kid at the bottom of the circular wall would be roughly 1 minute after the Kill Shot. 

[Royell Storing]

Wait a minute, why do I have to put up with this vicious sort of stuff???

For the record, I'm cuter than hell in almost every way.

To be honest, I don't really view my mission as "helping solve the case." I'm waiting for someone to make a plausible case that it hasn't been solved. In the meantime, I'm just having fun and, well, letting my natural cuteness run amuck.

Remember, there is that handy "Ignore" feature.

   In all fairness, you do have a nice smile.

[Lance Payette]

Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better.


Then, I suggest trying to make her feel comfortable here. Question her all you wish. Attempting to belittle her just because you have some preconceived ideas is ridiculous.

FEEL COMFORTABLE? You're speaking as though she were still an 11-year-old.

Good Lord, the woman has appeared at CT conferences, given three interviews at the Sixth Floor Museum, spoken to newspapers, is peddling a book, has a Ph.D. and is a university professor.

FEEL COMFORTABLE???

Has anyone worried about making dear old Lance or anyone else feel comfortable? (Oh, boo-hoo, Lance. Grow up.)

This woman was an 11-year-old kid who saw, more or less, what everyone else in Dealey Plaza saw on that day. You folks write as though some combination of the Virgin Mary and Taylor Swift were blessing us with her exalted presence.

[Royell Storing]

  Whatever credentials/experiences someone might have or have not, most people are not accustomed to suddenly being the focus of the Spanish Inquisition.