A Rock Solid Alibi.....

[Zeon Mason]

Well there WAS SOME rifle being stuck  out the 6th fioor SE corner window at the very least .

Because Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch saw SOME rifle (or object resembling a rifle) stuck out the 6th floor SE window and observed it being “”slowly withdrawn”

And there is reason to believe that 3 shots were fired by that rifle per Harold Norman and Amos Euins WC testimony.

Therefore (imo ) the more objective conclusion is that although SOME rifle probably Was from the SE 6th story  corner window , it was NOT Likely to be the MC rifle that the Tom Aleya film recorded  being lifted by Lt. Day.

Reasons:

1. Harold Norman heard the 3 shots fired in approx 4 sec span per his own video recorded demonstration of the spacing.

2. A 2/3rd majority of ear witness heard the no.2 and no 3 shots too close together to have been plausibly fired by an MC rifle.

3. The absence of any statements made about gunpowder residue found in the barrel or the breech of the MC rifle.

4. No statements regarding gunpowder odor which should have been noticeable.

5. The misaligned scope due to the mount itself requiring shims under the mount = impossible for even a perfectly functional scope to have ever been zeroed using the elevation adjustment nibs.
 
6. The curiosity of the bolt handle being apparently up and the bolt not locked down.

7. Weitzman seeing a rifle while looking  eastward under a flat ie ( thru a pallet) which is not probable if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes. If Weitzman is credible , then the rifle must have been moved from its original “well hidden” location to the boxes where it was photographed

[Richard Smith]

As I told you...This case is waaaaaay beyond your abilities.....

In which a child refuses to accept that there is no Santa Claus.   

[Walt Cakebread]

Well there WAS SOME rifle being stuck  out the 6th fioor SE corner window at the very least .

Because Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch saw SOME rifle (or object resembling a rifle) stuck out the 6th floor SE window and observed it being “”slowly withdrawn”

And there is reason to believe that 3 shots were fired by that rifle per Harold Norman and Amos Euins WC testimony.

Therefore (imo ) the more objective conclusion is that although SOME rifle probably Was from the SE 6th story  corner window , it was NOT Likely to be the MC rifle that the Tom Aleya film recorded  being lifted by Lt. Day.

Reasons:

1. Harold Norman heard the 3 shots fired in approx 4 sec span per his own video recorded demonstration of the spacing.

2. A 2/3rd majority of ear witness heard the no.2 and no 3 shots too close together to have been plausibly fired by an MC rifle.

3. The absence of any statements made about gunpowder residue found in the barrel or the breech of the MC rifle.

4. No statements regarding gunpowder odor which should have been noticeable.

5. The misaligned scope due to the mount itself requiring shims under the mount = impossible for even a perfectly functional scope to have ever been zeroed using the elevation adjustment nibs.
 
6. The curiosity of the bolt handle being apparently up and the bolt not locked down.

7. Weitzman seeing a rifle while looking  eastward under a flat ie ( thru a pallet) which is not probable if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes. If Weitzman is credible , then the rifle must have been moved from its original “well hidden” location to the boxes where it was photographed

Wow!!.... You've really provided a plate full today Zeon .... But #7 is the one that has my attention.....

7. Weitzman seeing a rifle while looking  eastward under a flat ie ( thru a pallet) which is not probable if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes. If Weitzman is credible , then the rifle must have been moved from its original “well hidden” location to the boxes where it was photographed.

Weitzman seeing a rifle while looking  eastward WEST under a flat ie ( thru a pallet) which is not probable possible if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes

A)  Weitzman was looking toward the WEST.... (see Organ's post Weitzman "E"  looking west. )



 The camera angle is much steeper than Weitzman's face (which was on the floor) was when he looked beneath the pallet but Weitzman "E" provides a photo of the boxes and pallet where Weitzman saw the rifle LYING ON THE FLOOR.   

B)  which is not possible if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes

 The box that is sitting on the floor to the north( right hand side in the photo) of the pallet would have been in Weitzman's line of sight to a rifle that was jammed between boxes of books in the DPD photo ....  The official DPD in situ photo shows the carcano standing on it's magazine and sandwiched between cardboard boxes.   If the carcano had been there between the boxes  it would have been impossible for Weitzman to have seen it when he was down on the floor and shining his flashlight beneath the pallet.

[Walt Cakebread]

This is not worthy of debate or serious consideration.

Weitzman looking (get this, with one of those large flashlights they were using) though the opening at the end of a pallet and seeing the Carcano jammed into the same opening that runs beneath the pallet? And same rifle was hidden to allow Oswald time to get out of the country?

This is not worthy of debate or serious consideration.

Ok, Then move along.... But before you leave, I need to thank you for providing the photos....

[Walt Cakebread]

Well there WAS SOME rifle being stuck  out the 6th fioor SE corner window at the very least .

Because Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch saw SOME rifle (or object resembling a rifle) stuck out the 6th floor SE window and observed it being “”slowly withdrawn”

And there is reason to believe that 3 shots were fired by that rifle per Harold Norman and Amos Euins WC testimony.

Therefore (imo ) the more objective conclusion is that although SOME rifle probably Was from the SE 6th story  corner window , it was NOT Likely to be the MC rifle that the Tom Aleya film recorded  being lifted by Lt. Day.

Reasons:

1. Harold Norman heard the 3 shots fired in approx 4 sec span per his own video recorded demonstration of the spacing.

2. A 2/3rd majority of ear witness heard the no.2 and no 3 shots too close together to have been plausibly fired by an MC rifle.

3. The absence of any statements made about gunpowder residue found in the barrel or the breech of the MC rifle.

4. No statements regarding gunpowder odor which should have been noticeable.

5. The misaligned scope due to the mount itself requiring shims under the mount = impossible for even a perfectly functional scope to have ever been zeroed using the elevation adjustment nibs.
 
6. The curiosity of the bolt handle being apparently up and the bolt not locked down.

7. Weitzman seeing a rifle while looking  eastward under a flat ie ( thru a pallet) which is not probable if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes. If Weitzman is credible , then the rifle must have been moved from its original “well hidden” location to the boxes where it was photographed

6. The curiosity of the bolt handle being apparently up and the bolt not locked down.



Where's the bolt handle?

[Walt Cakebread]

Well there WAS SOME rifle being stuck  out the 6th fioor SE corner window at the very least .

Because Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch saw SOME rifle (or object resembling a rifle) stuck out the 6th floor SE window and observed it being “”slowly withdrawn”

And there is reason to believe that 3 shots were fired by that rifle per Harold Norman and Amos Euins WC testimony.

Therefore (imo ) the more objective conclusion is that although SOME rifle probably Was from the SE 6th story  corner window , it was NOT Likely to be the MC rifle that the Tom Aleya film recorded  being lifted by Lt. Day.

Reasons:

1. Harold Norman heard the 3 shots fired in approx 4 sec span per his own video recorded demonstration of the spacing.

2. A 2/3rd majority of ear witness heard the no.2 and no 3 shots too close together to have been plausibly fired by an MC rifle.

3. The absence of any statements made about gunpowder residue found in the barrel or the breech of the MC rifle.

4. No statements regarding gunpowder odor which should have been noticeable.

5. The misaligned scope due to the mount itself requiring shims under the mount = impossible for even a perfectly functional scope to have ever been zeroed using the elevation adjustment nibs.
 
6. The curiosity of the bolt handle being apparently up and the bolt not locked down.

7. Weitzman seeing a rifle while looking  eastward under a flat ie ( thru a pallet) which is not probable if the rifle were between the 2 rows  of boxes. If Weitzman is credible , then the rifle must have been moved from its original “well hidden” location to the boxes where it was photographed

If Weitzman is credible , then the rifle must have been moved from its original “well hidden” location to the boxes where it was photographed.

Weitzman is credible..... and yes the rifle was moved to the location where it was photographed by the DPD.

But I don't believe that happened before 11/26/63.   I believe the DPD needed the carcano back in Dallas so they could create some false photos and that's the reason it was returned to Dallas from the FBI lab in Washington DC.  In attempting to create a credible tale about how Lee Oswald shot JFK and then fled across the room and down the stairs they concluded that he wouldn't have had enough time to hide the rifle beneath the pallet of books as it was found where Seymour Weitzman saw it , so they recreated the in situ photo ( destroyed the original and created the one that is now the official DPD in situ photo.)   

[Walt Cakebread]

This is not worthy of debate or serious consideration.

Weitzman looking (get this, with one of those large flashlights they were using) though the opening at the end of a pallet and seeing the Carcano jammed into the same opening that runs beneath the pallet? And same rifle was hidden to allow Oswald time to get out of the country?

Weitzman looking though the opening at the end of a pallet and seeing the Carcano jammed into the same opening that runs beneath the pallet? And same rifle was hidden to allow Oswald time to get out of the country?



Weitzman looking toward the west,  though the opening at the end of a pallet and seeing the Carcano  lying on the floor beneath the pallet. The rifle was hidden to allow Oswald time to get out of the country.

The official in situ photo that was created by the DPD shows the carcano standing upright and sandwiched between boxes.   If the rifle had been in the location shown in the official DPD in situ photo, Weitzman could not have seen it when he had his face down on the floor and was looking beneath the pallet, because there were boxes sitting on the floor to the north of the pallet that blocked his line of sight to that location.