A Rock Solid Alibi.....

[Walt Cakebread]

Those photos indicate that it would be impossible for Weitzman to have seen the MC rifle from some position east of the 2rows of boxes even if his face was to the ground.

The only way Weitzman could have seen that MC rifle while looking “under a flat” is 2 possibilities:

1. Weitzman was looking  North THRU the open approx 4” space of a pallet from the south side of that pallet and saw a rifle IN that pallet space

.2. Weitzman was looking North THRU the pallet from the south side and he saw. the  WHOLE rifle between the north side of the pallet and south side wall of the stacked boxes

3. Weitzman was looking THRU the pallet and saw a  PORTION of the rifle thru a vertical gap between 2 adjacent bottom level boxes that formed  the south side wall , while Boone was looking on the north side of that wall and shining his light on it.

It’s not certain (imo) what the original configuration of the bottom level of boxes was  and if they were ALL end to end with no vertical gaps as it appears that SOME of them were in the photo or if the box that was removed had been snuggly fitting which would therefore rule OUT probability of a gap that Weitzman could have looked thru.

Zeon Mason wrote:
The only way Weitzman could have seen that MC rifle while looking “under a flat” is 2 possibilities:

Look at the "looking west" photo Zeon....




Zeon, The photo that Jerry has labeled "looking west" is the approximate view that Seymour Weitzman would have had.....He was down on the floor looking west beneath the pallet when he spotted the rifle LYING ON THE FLOOR.

IF the rifle had been stuck between the boxes as it is shown in the official DPD in situ photo, Weitzman could not have seen it.....

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[Walt Cakebread]

The pallet is made of wood and is what the flat of goods sits on. ( Link )

	Weitzman		"I went on the road as district supervisor and manager for  Holly's Dress Shops in New York, 115 Fifth Avenue, and I  supervised 26 stores for them for approximately 15 years."
	Ball		"Then what did you do?"
	Weitzman		"I took over as general manager of the Lamont Corp. which  is a discount operation and the headquarters, which was  Galveston, Tex. We had stores in Dallas, Fort Worth, Loui-  siana, Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz. At the end of 1960, I closed  up all the stores, retired from the discount operation and went  to work for Robie Love in Dallas County, precinct 1."

Levitating, is it?



So everybody (including Weitzman) is wrong about finding the rifle as shown in the Dallas Crime Lab in-situ photos?

Levitating, is it?

It's certainly NOT lying on the floor....   And it definitely was lying on the floor when detective Day reached out and grabbed the leather sling and picked it up.

[Walt Cakebread]

Or Day had gently slid away a box helping to keep the rifle upright while supporting the rifle to allow it to tilt onto the floor. When Day felt competent enough that the rifle could be safely lifted, he began his lift just as Alyea began his film sequence. The rifle in-situ photos are the still photos testified as true by Studebaker of the Dallas Crime Lab. Boone and Weitzman also agreed with the Studebaker photos.

Neither the Alyea film or the Crime Lab photos show the rifle hidden inside a pallet, or even leaning against a pallet.

Day had gently slid away a box helping to keep the rifle upright while supporting the rifle to allow it to tilt onto the floor. When Day felt competent enough that the rifle could be safely lifted, he began his lift just as Alyea began his film sequence. The rifle in-situ photos are the still photos testified as true by Studebaker of the Dallas Crime Lab. Boone and Weitzman also agreed with the Studebaker photos.

Yes of course.... Gravity was not working that day....   The scope made the rifle heavy on the left side, But the rifle couldn't topple to the left because of the stack of boxes so it toppled to the right....

The rifle in-situ photos are the still photos testified as true by Studebaker of the Dallas Crime Lab. Boone and Weitzman also agreed with the Studebaker photos.

All members of the thin blue lie....

[Walt Cakebread]

Sure, Weitzman's going to plant his face on the oily dirty floor and shine his breadbox-size searchlight into the opening of a pallet.

The pallet openings run east/west, so here's the only openings available to Weitzman:



Weitzman can't possibly see to where the rifle is depicted in the Crime Lab photos.



This photo shows the top of the cartons that were on Pallet "C" in the foreground (which photographer Studebaker was on) and the rifle in-situ to the north (top of the picture).

   "I was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time
     he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun"

 Weitzman was in retail, so the term "on the floor" could mean the open area of a store.

    "Yes, sir; this is taken the opposite side the flat I was looking under."

    "Boone was looking the top side; I was looking under the flat. We
     were looking over everything. I was behind this section of books."

Notice Weitzman says "flat" and not "pallet". In others words, he was looking along the lower sides of the stacked cartons. Weitzman testified: "I said, 'There it is' and he [Boone] started hollering, 'We got it.' It was covered with boxes." That doesn't sound like a rifle hidden under the wooden boards of a pallet.

Look at the arrows in Weitzman Exhibits E and F:



Mr. BALL - Would you mind making a mark there with a pen?
     That is on F. Draw on Exhibit F, draw an arrow. The arrow
     in ink on F shows the location?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Down on the floor.
Mr. BALL - Shows the location of the gun on the floor?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Take E here and make a mark on E as to the
     location of the place where the gun was found.
Mr. WEITZMAN - Same area.
Mr. BALL - The same area and the arrow marks the place
     where the gun was found?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir.

The arrow points away from the pallets and Weitzman again says it was on the floor, not beneath a pallet.

What about Eugene Boone? He testified the rifle was "stuffed down between two rows of boxes with another box or so pulled over the top of it. And I hollered that the rifle was here." Shown one of the Studebaker in-situ photos, Boones testified:

Mr. BALL - This shows the rifle as you saw it, does it?
Mr. BOONE - That is right. Then you could kneel down over
    here and see that it had a scope, a telescopic sight on it,
    by looking down underneath the boxes.

Boone doesn't say the rifle was hidden in a pallet, visible through one of the end openings. Here's where Boone located the rifle and it is away from the pallets.

Weitzman exhibit E  provides a better perspective for verifying that Weitzman couldn't have seen the rifle as it is depicted in the official DPD in situ photo.



In the official DPD photo the rifle is shown standing on it's magazine, and it is one row of boxes north of the pallet.  Those boxes are sitting on the floor and they would have blocked Weitzman's line of sight to the rifle if it had been sitting as depicted in the official DPD photo.

[Bill Chapman]

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[Zeon Mason]

So is it reasonably  to conclude that it was NOT probable that Weitzman could have seen even a portion of the rifle while looking under the flat (pallet)?

If so then Weitzman is exaggerating similar to Roger Craig or Weitzman saw the rifle originally in a different place than where Boone claims to have first seen it.

Seems to be a choice as to whom
Is the more credible witness, Weitzman or Boone?

Since Weitzman seems to have had some problem with depression later in his life, should this be considered as a sign he saw the rifle moved and remained silent about it? Or is it because he had exaggerated about actually seeing the rifle at the DAME time as Boone did?

This is just one example why  I’m still having trouble deciding what is true and what is not after 20 years of following the discussions about the JFK assassination.