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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Jake Maxwell on May 23, 2025, 09:25:02 PM
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I submitted the windshield damage image from Kennedy's limo to ChatGPT, asking if the impact came from the inside or the outside...
Here's my question, and the interesting response in full...
We are looking from the outside... Did this crack come from inside or outside?
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ChatGPT said:
Thanks for the image.
Since we're looking from the outside, here are some observations:
Key Features in the Crack Pattern:
The impact point appears raised or textured, suggesting the damage originated on the outside (where we are viewing it from).
The radial cracks (spiderweb lines) spread outward from a central point — typical of an outside-to-inside impact.
There is no visible delamination or raised area around the inner surface, which would be more common if the impact had originated from the inside.
Conclusion:
Based on this image and the perspective (outside looking in), this crack was caused by an object hitting the windshield from the outside. It does not appear to have originated from the inside.
If you’re analyzing for forensic or insurance purposes and need stronger confirmation, examining the feel and texture at the point of impact (outside vs. inside surface) and checking for cratering or glass flaking direction can help further.
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I submitted the windshield damage image from Kennedy's limo to ChatGPT, asking if the impact came from the inside or the outside...
Here's my question, and the interesting response in full...
We are looking from the outside... Did this crack come from inside or outside?
(https://i.ibb.co/spm1mdnw/Screenshot-2025-05-23-at-4-21-09-PM.png)
ChatGPT said:
Thanks for the image.
Since we're looking from the outside, here are some observations:
Key Features in the Crack Pattern:
The impact point appears raised or textured, suggesting the damage originated on the outside (where we are viewing it from).
The radial cracks (spiderweb lines) spread outward from a central point — typical of an outside-to-inside impact.
There is no visible delamination or raised area around the inner surface, which would be more common if the impact had originated from the inside.
Conclusion:
Based on this image and the perspective (outside looking in), this crack was caused by an object hitting the windshield from the outside. It does not appear to have originated from the inside.
If you’re analyzing for forensic or insurance purposes and need stronger confirmation, examining the feel and texture at the point of impact (outside vs. inside surface) and checking for cratering or glass flaking direction can help further.
I've wondered if SSA Bill Greer was also a target...
Maybe he knew too much...
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Destroying the limo and windshield asap seems to be a poor choice by the FBI if they were following the Hoover directive that the public must be convinced there was no conspiracy.
Unless …there was something particular about the damage to the rearview mirror frame and windshield crack which they feared could be analyzed with some method to show micro traces of metallic fragments that differed from what would be left by MC bullet fragments.
Or an analysis that could determine with certainty that the crack in the windshield could only be caused from a projectile hitting the front of the windshield. ( or that it was a hole)
If there was a shot from the front of the limo, was Greer the target?
Killing the driver of the limo would probably bring the limo to a stop or slow down , thus affording an easier kill shot aimed at JFK by a sniper from behind the limo.
Why did not a rear shooter take the shot at Greer? Perhaps because Mrs C and Jackie were obstacles and or the shooters did not wish to harm the popular Jackie or the wife of the neocon pro MIC governor. The only target was the “traitorous communist sympathizer” JFK.
Shooting from the east side of the Triple U bridge (with a suppressed rifle), that snipers LOS angle to Greer was a fairly safe shot that could avoid hitting Mrs C, Governor C , or Jackie( presuming the shooter was relatively skilled at shooting laterally moving targets)
If there was a front shooter located at the east side of the Triple overpass , his shot aimed at Greer , would be a target moving laterally at 20mph. So the shooters lead adjustment might have been too much and the bullet struck the windshield instead of Greer.
Ironically, the resultant effect was the same, as Greer reacted by taking his foot off the accelerator and the limo slowed down to 8mph (or almost to a stop by some witness accounts)
Imo, Greer was NOT a conspirator , but was reacting in confusion as to where the shots were coming from. Therefore, if there was a shot aimed at him, it was for purpose of stopping the limo or at least to slow it down, affording the a sniper from behind the limo an easier kill shot at JFK.
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Destroying the limo and windshield asap seems to be a poor choice by the FBI if they were following the Hoover directive that the public must be convinced there was no conspiracy.
Unless …there was something particular about the damage to the rearview mirror frame and windshield crack which they feared could be analyzed with some method to show micro traces of metallic fragments that differed from what would be left by MC bullet fragments.
Or an analysis that could determine with certainty that the crack in the windshield could only be caused from a projectile hitting the front of the windshield. ( or that it was a hole)
If there was a shot from the front of the limo, was Greer the target?
Killing the driver of the limo would probably bring the limo to a stop or slow down , thus affording an easier kill shot aimed at JFK by a sniper from behind the limo.
Why did not a rear shooter take the shot at Greer? Perhaps because Mrs C and Jackie were obstacles and or the shooters did not wish to harm the popular Jackie or the wife of the neocon pro MIC governor. The only target was the “traitorous communist sympathizer” JFK.
Shooting from the east side of the Triple U bridge (with a suppressed rifle), that snipers LOS angle to Greer was a fairly safe shot that could avoid hitting Mrs C, Governor C , or Jackie( presuming the shooter was relatively skilled at shooting laterally moving targets)
If there was a front shooter located at the east side of the Triple overpass , his shot aimed at Greer , would be a target moving laterally at 20mph. So the shooters lead adjustment might have been too much and the bullet struck the windshield instead of Greer.
Ironically, the resultant effect was the same, as Greer reacted by taking his foot off the accelerator and the limo slowed down to 8mph (or almost to a stop by some witness accounts)
Imo, Greer was NOT a conspirator , but was reacting in confusion as to where the shots were coming from. Therefore, if there was a shot aimed at him, it was for purpose of stopping the limo or at least to slow it down, affording the a sniper from behind the limo an easier kill shot at JFK.
No... Bill Greer was likely a key player in the assassination... slowing the limo at the planned kill zone... and rubber-necking until he saw the president shot. He says in one interview that he thought the first shot was a backfire, and then turned back to look... and when he saw blood running down Connally's shirt, he realized they were in trouble. Don't believe it. Connally's jacket covered most of his shirt... It's all made up to cover himself...
Bill Greer rubber-necks for one purpose... to verify that the president had been killed in the kill zone where, according to plan, he slows the car... THEN he turns to accelerate the car...
The windshield crack was possibly intended for him... Yes, it would have changed the scenario and the narrative that Oswald was a lone assassin... but there were likely several false narratives they planned to develop, all depending on the circumstances. The high level powers who wanted Kennedy out, realized they would have only one attempt, and tried very hard not to leave anything to chance...
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Greer does not respond and accelerate as he said, in response to seeing blood running down Connally's shirt...
He responds and accelerates after seeing the president shot and killed...
The limo was slowed for that purpose...
Got some really bad players on the stage...
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Toni Foster and her husband (stickman in Zapruder) says in her interview with Debra Conway (see Research Photographs for full interview) that the limo stopped, and she says it four times!...
"I know the Governor and Mrs. Connally were there but I wasn't even thinking of them. I don't mean that in an inconsiderate way but it's just what I saw. They were protecting themselves too. For some reason the car stopped. It did stop for seconds. I don't ever know why it stopped and all of a sudden it sped up and they went under the underpass.
I could never figure out why the car stopped. [Mrs. Kennedy] started crawling out the back of the car crying and screaming (whatever it was she was screaming, I can't remember...)."
I'm guessing that most of us know why the car stopped... SSA Bill Greer was taking care of business...
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Here are some useful videos on the windshield damage and the illegal replacement of the windshield.
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I submitted the windshield damage image from Kennedy's limo to ChatGPT, asking if the impact came from the inside or the outside...
Here's my question, and the interesting response in full...
We are looking from the outside... Did this crack come from inside or outside?
(https://i.ibb.co/spm1mdnw/Screenshot-2025-05-23-at-4-21-09-PM.png)
ChatGPT said:
Thanks for the image.
Since we're looking from the outside, here are some observations:
Key Features in the Crack Pattern:
The impact point appears raised or textured, suggesting the damage originated on the outside (where we are viewing it from).
The radial cracks (spiderweb lines) spread outward from a central point — typical of an outside-to-inside impact.
There is no visible delamination or raised area around the inner surface, which would be more common if the impact had originated from the inside.
Conclusion:
Based on this image and the perspective (outside looking in), this crack was caused by an object hitting the windshield from the outside. It does not appear to have originated from the inside.
If you’re analyzing for forensic or insurance purposes and need stronger confirmation, examining the feel and texture at the point of impact (outside vs. inside surface) and checking for cratering or glass flaking direction can help further.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have occasion then to examine the windshield of the Presidential limousine?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I did.
Mr. SPECTER - What did that examination disclose?
Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.
Mr. DULLES - And the outside surface was the surface away from where the occupants were sitting?
Mr. FRAZIER - That is correct; yes.
Mr. DULLES - And the inside surface was the surface nearest the occupants?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - What do those characteristics indicate as to which side of the windshield was struck?
Mr. FRAZIER - It indicates that it could only have been struck on the inside surface. It could not have been struck on the outside surface because of the manner in which the glass broke and further because of the lead residue on the inside surface. The cracks appear in the outer layer of the glass because the glass is bent outward at the time of impact which stretches the outer layer of the glass to the point where these small radial or wagon spoke-wagon wheel spoke-type cracks appear on the outer surface.
Mr. DULLES - So the pressure must have come from the inside and not from the outside against the glass?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. DULLES - As far as the car is concerned from the back to the front?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Not from outside against the glass--from the front against the glass.
Mr. FRAZIER - That is right.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/frazr2.htm
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Mr. SPECTER - Did you have occasion then to examine the windshield of the Presidential limousine?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I did.
Mr. SPECTER - What did that examination disclose?
Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.
Mr. DULLES - And the outside surface was the surface away from where the occupants were sitting?
Mr. FRAZIER - That is correct; yes.
Mr. DULLES - And the inside surface was the surface nearest the occupants?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - What do those characteristics indicate as to which side of the windshield was struck?
Mr. FRAZIER - It indicates that it could only have been struck on the inside surface. It could not have been struck on the outside surface because of the manner in which the glass broke and further because of the lead residue on the inside surface. The cracks appear in the outer layer of the glass because the glass is bent outward at the time of impact which stretches the outer layer of the glass to the point where these small radial or wagon spoke-wagon wheel spoke-type cracks appear on the outer surface.
Mr. DULLES - So the pressure must have come from the inside and not from the outside against the glass?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. DULLES - As far as the car is concerned from the back to the front?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Not from outside against the glass--from the front against the glass.
Mr. FRAZIER - That is right.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/frazr2.htm
Ahh... yes...
AND ChatGPT would say to Mr. Frazier... "You are lying to the American people?"
AND a good attorney might even ask Mr. Frazier: "Who has paid you, or threatened you?"
So, here's my QUESTION of ChatGPT:
A spider web crack in the windshield from an object hitting from the inside, forms where - on the inside or outside of the windshield?
ChatGPT said:
A spider web crack in a windshield caused by an object hitting it from the inside will generally form primarily on the inside layer of the windshield.
Here's why:
Modern windshields are made of laminated safety glass, which consists of:
Two layers of glass (an outer and inner layer)
A middle layer of polyvinyl butyral (PVB) plastic for bonding and shatter resistance
Impact from the inside:
The inner glass layer bears the brunt of the force.
The spider web pattern will originate and be most visible on the inside surface, although cracks can propagate through the PVB and affect the outer layer as well.
Signs to confirm:
You can often feel the crack with your fingernail on the inner surface.
The outer glass may remain mostly intact unless the force is very high.
Summary:
If an object hits the windshield from inside the vehicle, the spider web crack will form on the inside of the windshield, mainly affecting the inner glass layer.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: Even in 1963?
ChatGPT said:
Great question.
Yes, even in 1963, most American cars were equipped with laminated safety glass for the windshield—not tempered glass—so the same general principle applies:
Windshields in 1963:
Laminated glass was standard for front windshields in the U.S. by the 1950s, due to safety regulations and industry practice.
Laminated glass consists of two layers of glass with a plastic interlayer (PVB).
This construction helps prevent shattering and keeps the glass in place during impacts.
So in 1963, if an object struck the windshield from the inside:
The inner layer of glass would be impacted first.
A spider web crack would generally form on the inside surface, as that’s where the force originated.
The outer layer might remain intact, depending on the force and the condition of the glass.
Conclusion:
Yes, even in 1963, a spider web crack from an object hitting the windshield from the inside would generally form on the inside layer of the glass, since laminated glass was standard for windshields.
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Ahh... yes...
AND ChatGPT would say to Mr. Frazier... "You are lying to the American people?"
AND a good attorney might even ask Mr. Frazier: "Who has paid you, or threatened you?"
So, here's my QUESTION of ChatGPT:
A spider web crack in the windshield from an object hitting from the inside, forms where - on the inside or outside of the windshield?
ChatGPT said:
A spider web crack in a windshield caused by an object hitting it from the inside will generally form primarily on the inside layer of the windshield.
Here's why:
Modern windshields are made of laminated safety glass, which consists of:
Two layers of glass (an outer and inner layer)
A middle layer of polyvinyl butyral (PVB) plastic for bonding and shatter resistance
Impact from the inside:
The inner glass layer bears the brunt of the force.
The spider web pattern will originate and be most visible on the inside surface, although cracks can propagate through the PVB and affect the outer layer as well.
Signs to confirm:
You can often feel the crack with your fingernail on the inner surface.
The outer glass may remain mostly intact unless the force is very high.
Summary:
If an object hits the windshield from inside the vehicle, the spider web crack will form on the inside of the windshield, mainly affecting the inner glass layer.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: Even in 1963?
ChatGPT said:
Great question.
Yes, even in 1963, most American cars were equipped with laminated safety glass for the windshield—not tempered glass—so the same general principle applies:
Windshields in 1963:
Laminated glass was standard for front windshields in the U.S. by the 1950s, due to safety regulations and industry practice.
Laminated glass consists of two layers of glass with a plastic interlayer (PVB).
This construction helps prevent shattering and keeps the glass in place during impacts.
So in 1963, if an object struck the windshield from the inside:
The inner layer of glass would be impacted first.
A spider web crack would generally form on the inside surface, as that’s where the force originated.
The outer layer might remain intact, depending on the force and the condition of the glass.
Conclusion:
Yes, even in 1963, a spider web crack from an object hitting the windshield from the inside would generally form on the inside layer of the glass, since laminated glass was standard for windshields.
ChatGPT is wrong.
When a projectile first hits the glass, the glass will be stretched, causing tension on the back side directly behind the projectile. This causes compression around the point of tension. The radial cracks begin on the opposite side of the force at the point where the projectile hits the glass and radiate out from the origin of the impact.
https://ejfs.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41935-017-0019-5
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ChatGPT is wrong.
When a projectile first hits the glass, the glass will be stretched, causing tension on the back side directly behind the projectile. This causes compression around the point of tension. The radial cracks begin on the opposite side of the force at the point where the projectile hits the glass and radiate out from the origin of the impact.
https://ejfs.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41935-017-0019-5
Look again...
The article you cite is about an air rifle and a window pane... NOT a windshield with laminate...
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Look again...
The article you cite is about an air rifle and a window pane... NOT a windshield with laminate...
From ChatGPT:
If a windshield is struck by a object on the inside, what side of the windshield will radial cracks appear?
If a windshield is struck by an object from the inside, the radial cracks will appear on the outside surface of the windshield.
Here's why:
When an object hits the windshield, the impact side experiences compressive forces, while the opposite side experiences tensile forces. Glass is much weaker under tension than compression, so it tends to crack on the side opposite the impact.
Radial cracks: These are the straight-line cracks that radiate out from the point of impact.
They form on the side opposite to the impact, where the tensile stress is greatest.
So, if the impact is from inside the vehicle:
Radial cracks will appear on the outside of the windshield.
The inside may show some crushing or localized damage (like a small cone), but the major crack propagation (radial and concentric cracks) will be on the outer surface.
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From ChatGPT:
If a windshield is struck by a object on the inside, what side of the windshield will radial cracks appear?
If a windshield is struck by an object from the inside, the radial cracks will appear on the outside surface of the windshield.
Here's why:
When an object hits the windshield, the impact side experiences compressive forces, while the opposite side experiences tensile forces. Glass is much weaker under tension than compression, so it tends to crack on the side opposite the impact.
Radial cracks: These are the straight-line cracks that radiate out from the point of impact.
They form on the side opposite to the impact, where the tensile stress is greatest.
So, if the impact is from inside the vehicle:
Radial cracks will appear on the outside of the windshield.
The inside may show some crushing or localized damage (like a small cone), but the major crack propagation (radial and concentric cracks) will be on the outer surface.
When ChatGPT analyzes the actual image of the windshield on JFK's limo, it gives this analysis:
Analyze this windshield crack... Did the impact come from the inside or the outside?
ChatGPT said:
The crack in the windshield appears to have originated from an impact on the outside of the glass. Here are some key observations supporting this:
1. Fracture Pattern
The crack shows a bullseye or star-shaped pattern, which is typical of high-velocity impacts from small hard objects (like stones or bullets).
The long radial cracks (spiderweb pattern) indicate the force radiated outward from a central impact point.
2. Coning Effect
Although this is a 2D image, if the impact site appears to have a small central pit or chip surrounded by a more spidered outward break, that's usually indicative of a foreign object striking from the outside, creating a conical break where the wider part is on the exterior.
3. Glass Behavior
Automotive windshields are made of laminated safety glass: two layers of glass with a plastic interlayer. When struck from outside, the outer layer breaks first, and the inner layer usually remains intact or only cracks secondarily.
The clarity of the cracks visible here—without obvious internal glass shattering—suggests the outside layer took the initial hit.
If you have access to the physical vehicle or image in 3D:
Run your fingers carefully over both sides of the glass. If you feel a pit or roughness, that’s the side of impact.
Summary:
The impact came from the outside of the windshield.
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When ChatGPT analyzes the actual image of the windshield on JFK's limo, it gives this analysis:
Analyze this windshield crack... Did the impact come from the inside or the outside?
ChatGPT said:
The crack in the windshield appears to have originated from an impact on the outside of the glass. Here are some key observations supporting this:
1. Fracture Pattern
The crack shows a bullseye or star-shaped pattern, which is typical of high-velocity impacts from small hard objects (like stones or bullets).
The long radial cracks (spiderweb pattern) indicate the force radiated outward from a central impact point.
2. Coning Effect
Although this is a 2D image, if the impact site appears to have a small central pit or chip surrounded by a more spidered outward break, that's usually indicative of a foreign object striking from the outside, creating a conical break where the wider part is on the exterior.
3. Glass Behavior
Automotive windshields are made of laminated safety glass: two layers of glass with a plastic interlayer. When struck from outside, the outer layer breaks first, and the inner layer usually remains intact or only cracks secondarily.
The clarity of the cracks visible here—without obvious internal glass shattering—suggests the outside layer took the initial hit.
If you have access to the physical vehicle or image in 3D:
Run your fingers carefully over both sides of the glass. If you feel a pit or roughness, that’s the side of impact.
Summary:
The impact came from the outside of the windshield.
Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Was lead residue found on the inside surface or the outside surface of the windshield?
-- Tom
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There is no visible delamination or raised area around the inner surface, which would be more common if the impact had originated from the inside.
How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Was lead residue found on the inside surface or the outside surface of the windshield?
-- Tom
Reports say bullet fragments were found on the inside dash - though questioning, "from which bullet," would surely begin another discussion... Some say a bullet left a pencil-wide hole in the windshield...
And certainly, no one should expect to find fragments on the outside, if there were any, unless they were found along the road, or in the windshield wiper cavity...
That's my take on it...
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How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?
I actually called a Safelite AutoGlass repair technician a couple of years ago, and asked that same question. He said that from examining the characteristics of the windshield damage from the outside, he could reasonably determine the direction of impact.
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Reports say bullet fragments were found on the inside dash - though questioning, "from which bullet," would surely begin another discussion... Some say a bullet left a pencil-wide hole in the windshield...
And certainly, no one should expect to find fragments on the outside, if there were any, unless they were found along the road, or in the windshield wiper cavity...
That's my take on it...
Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.
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I actually called a Safelite AutoGlass repair technician a couple of years ago, and asked that same question. He said that from examining the characteristics of the windshield damage from the outside, he could reasonably determine the direction of impact.
That doesn't answer my question.
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That doesn't answer my question.
This should...
How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?
ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right to challenge that—great critical thinking.
In reality, a photo of the outside surface alone doesn’t definitively show what the inner surface looks like. Here’s what ChatGPT (or anyone else analyzing just this image) can and cannot say:
✅ What can be reasonably inferred from the image:
The crack pattern (starburst or radial fractures) strongly suggests a high-velocity impact from one side.
Features like the mirror reflection and lighting may help identify which side of the glass you're viewing, though only if there's clear context (e.g., inside car features like the rearview mirror).
❌ What cannot be confirmed without more context or angles:
Which surface (inside or outside) was struck. That requires:
A clear view of both sides of the glass,
Or physical inspection (e.g., feeling for the impact pit),
Or more visual cues from the interior/exterior environment.
In your case:
The image shows a crack with radial lines centered around a small, damaged spot. That strongly suggests an external impact (from a rock or other object). But unless we positively identify that we’re looking at the outer surface (or have tactile/3D inspection), we can't claim with certainty which side was struck.
Bottom line:
You're right—ChatGPT cannot describe the inner surface definitively from this photo alone. Any statements about "outer vs. inner" should be framed as inferences based on typical impact patterns, not certainties.
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This should...
How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?
ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right to challenge that—great critical thinking.
In reality, a photo of the outside surface alone doesn’t definitively show what the inner surface looks like. Here’s what ChatGPT (or anyone else analyzing just this image) can and cannot say:
✅ What can be reasonably inferred from the image:
The crack pattern (starburst or radial fractures) strongly suggests a high-velocity impact from one side.
Features like the mirror reflection and lighting may help identify which side of the glass you're viewing, though only if there's clear context (e.g., inside car features like the rearview mirror).
❌ What cannot be confirmed without more context or angles:
Which surface (inside or outside) was struck. That requires:
A clear view of both sides of the glass,
Or physical inspection (e.g., feeling for the impact pit),
Or more visual cues from the interior/exterior environment.
In your case:
The image shows a crack with radial lines centered around a small, damaged spot. That strongly suggests an external impact (from a rock or other object). But unless we positively identify that we’re looking at the outer surface (or have tactile/3D inspection), we can't claim with certainty which side was struck.
Bottom line:
You're right—ChatGPT cannot describe the inner surface definitively from this photo alone. Any statements about "outer vs. inner" should be framed as inferences based on typical impact patterns, not certainties.
Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
-- Tom
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Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.
In other words, there was no through-and-through hole in the windshield.
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In other words, there was no through-and-through hole in the windshield.
Correct.
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Correct.
There is other testimony to dispute that....
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There is other testimony to dispute that....
Actually, there is no sworn testimony to dispute it. The claims made early on and decades later about there being a through and through hole in the windshield are dealt with in a blog entry by Fred Litwin.
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-destiny-betrayed-misleads-on-supposed-extra-bullet-part-two
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Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.
The last shot of SSA Hickey's accidental 4 or 5 shot auto burst of his AR15 hit jfk in the head & the remnant slug then veered & cracked the windshield & then must have bounced out into Elm St.
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The last shot of SSA Hickey's accidental 4 or 5 shot auto burst of his AR15 hit jfk in the head & the remnant slug then veered & cracked the windshield & then must have bounced out into Elm St.
Rynkiewicz,
Here's a saying for you from the 1940s:
"Where do you get off?" as in, "You're stinking up the bus, dude."
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So that some of us don't miss the point of it all... Here's the summary again, from ChatGPT:
"In your case:
The image shows a crack with radial lines centered around a small, damaged spot. That strongly suggests an external impact (from a rock or other object)."
Of course, everything posted on the forum deals in probabilities...
So, in fewer words, here's the summary assessment from ChatGPT:
"This image, "strongly suggests an external impact..."
(https://i.ibb.co/RG2xcYNv/Screenshot-2025-06-17-at-6-15-13-PM.png)
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I submitted the photo of the crack in the windshield to GROK and got this response:
Upon close examination of the image, the crack features a distinct central impact point with several radiating lines extending outward, forming a star-like pattern. This is a classic sign of an external impact, such as a small stone or debris hitting the windshield from the outside, which is common on roads. The presence of the impact point on the outer surface, combined with the radiating fractures, strongly suggests the damage originated from an object striking the outside. Damage from an inside impact would typically show more irregular or concentric cracking patterns and might include additional signs of force applied from within, such as a larger break or distortion near the point of contact, which isn't evident here. My opinion, based on this analysis, is that the crack likely came from an external strike.
There you go sports fans... Great minds think alike... ChatGPT and GROK...
Perhaps someone was aiming to take out SS agent Bill Greer... Did he know too much?
But the best minds agree, there was more than one shooter in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963...
We've been lied to by our government for decades...
The Warren Commission and Hoover were all in on it...
A junior windshield repairman can figure this out...
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I submitted the photo of the crack in the windshield to GROK and got this response:
Upon close examination of the image, the crack features a distinct central impact point with several radiating lines extending outward, forming a star-like pattern. This is a classic sign of an external impact, such as a small stone or debris hitting the windshield from the outside, which is common on roads. The presence of the impact point on the outer surface, combined with the radiating fractures, strongly suggests the damage originated from an object striking the outside. Damage from an inside impact would typically show more irregular or concentric cracking patterns and might include additional signs of force applied from within, such as a larger break or distortion near the point of contact, which isn't evident here. My opinion, based on this analysis, is that the crack likely came from an external strike.
There you go sports fans... Great minds think alike... ChatGPT and GROK...
Perhaps someone was aiming to take out SS agent Bill Greer... Did he know too much?
But the best minds agree, there was more than one shooter in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963...
We've been lied to by our government for decades...
The Warren Commission and Hoover were all in on it...
A junior windshield repairman can figure this out...
From ChatGPT:
If a windshield is struck by a object on the inside, what side of the windshield will radial cracks appear?
If a windshield is struck by an object from the inside, the radial cracks will appear on the outside surface of the windshield.
Here's why:
When an object hits the windshield, the impact side experiences compressive forces, while the opposite side experiences tensile forces. Glass is much weaker under tension than compression, so it tends to crack on the side opposite the impact.
Radial cracks: These are the straight-line cracks that radiate out from the point of impact.
They form on the side opposite to the impact, where the tensile stress is greatest.
So, if the impact is from inside the vehicle:
Radial cracks will appear on the outside of the windshield.
The inside may show some crushing or localized damage (like a small cone), but the major crack propagation (radial and concentric cracks) will be on the outer surface.
From Grok:
If a car windshield is struck by a object on the inside, what side of the windshield will radial cracks appear?
When a car windshield is struck by an object from the inside, research suggests that radial cracks will primarily appear on the outside of the windshield. This is based on forensic glass analysis, which indicates that radial cracks form right angles on the side opposite to where the force was applied, known as the "3R rule" (Radial cracks form a Right angle on the Reverse side of the force). For an inside impact, this means the outside of the windshield shows the characteristic right-angle pattern, helping determine the direction of the force.
Background on Glass Fractures
Radial cracks are fractures that extend outward from the impact point, resembling a star-like pattern. They are crucial in forensic science for determining the direction of impact, especially in cases like car accidents or break-ins.
Application of the 3R Rule
The 3R rule is a standard method in forensic analysis, suggesting that when glass is struck from one side, the radial cracks will have their perpendicular stress marks on the opposite side. For a strike from inside the car, this means the outside of the windshield will show these diagnostic features.
Visibility and Interpretation
While radial cracks may be visible on both sides of the windshield, their pattern (forming right angles) is key for direction, and this pattern appears on the outside for an inside impact. This helps in understanding the sequence and direction of the force, which is vital in forensic investigations.
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From ChatGPT:
If a windshield is struck by a object on the inside, what side of the windshield will radial cracks appear?
If a windshield is struck by an object from the inside, the radial cracks will appear on the outside surface of the windshield.
Here's why:
When an object hits the windshield, the impact side experiences compressive forces, while the opposite side experiences tensile forces. Glass is much weaker under tension than compression, so it tends to crack on the side opposite the impact.
Radial cracks: These are the straight-line cracks that radiate out from the point of impact.
They form on the side opposite to the impact, where the tensile stress is greatest.
So, if the impact is from inside the vehicle:
Radial cracks will appear on the outside of the windshield.
The inside may show some crushing or localized damage (like a small cone), but the major crack propagation (radial and concentric cracks) will be on the outer surface.
From Grok:
If a car windshield is struck by a object on the inside, what side of the windshield will radial cracks appear?
When a car windshield is struck by an object from the inside, research suggests that radial cracks will primarily appear on the outside of the windshield. This is based on forensic glass analysis, which indicates that radial cracks form right angles on the side opposite to where the force was applied, known as the "3R rule" (Radial cracks form a Right angle on the Reverse side of the force). For an inside impact, this means the outside of the windshield shows the characteristic right-angle pattern, helping determine the direction of the force.
Background on Glass Fractures
Radial cracks are fractures that extend outward from the impact point, resembling a star-like pattern. They are crucial in forensic science for determining the direction of impact, especially in cases like car accidents or break-ins.
Application of the 3R Rule
The 3R rule is a standard method in forensic analysis, suggesting that when glass is struck from one side, the radial cracks will have their perpendicular stress marks on the opposite side. For a strike from inside the car, this means the outside of the windshield will show these diagnostic features.
Visibility and Interpretation
While radial cracks may be visible on both sides of the windshield, their pattern (forming right angles) is key for direction, and this pattern appears on the outside for an inside impact. This helps in understanding the sequence and direction of the force, which is vital in forensic investigations.
Here's the big difference that shouldn't be overlooked...
When the ACTUAL image of the damaged windshield is submitted for GROK and ChatGPT to analyze - not a hypothetical - both are responding to the image itself...
AND BOTH conclude with the very same assessment:
"The crack likely came from an external strike."
So, again... Great minds think alike... ChatGPT and GROK...
Perhaps someone was aiming to take out SS agent Bill Greer... Did he know too much?
But the best minds agree, there was more than one shooter in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963...
We've been lied to by our government for decades...
The Warren Commission and Hoover were all in on it...
A junior windshield repairman can figure this out...
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Here's the big difference that shouldn't be overlooked...
When the ACTUAL image of the damaged windshield is submitted for GROK and ChatGPT to analyze - not a hypothetical - both are responding to the image itself...
AND BOTH conclude with the very same assessment:
"The crack likely came from an external strike."
So, again... Great minds think alike... ChatGPT and GROK...
Perhaps someone was aiming to take out SS agent Bill Greer... Did he know too much?
But the best minds agree, there was more than one shooter in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963...
We've been lied to by our government for decades...
The Warren Commission and Hoover were all in on it...
A junior windshield repairman can figure this out...
(https://i.imgur.com/8kTRdcF.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Huzw48h.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/D3rd7BF.png)
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You and Arlen Specter would have made a good partnership asking leading questions, hoping for your preferred response...
Let's take it down to one question and one photo... and use much of your wordage... but not a leading question:
GROK:
The view of the windshield in the image above is a frontal view, from the outside looking in. It was caused by an object striking the windshield.
Was it most likely from the inside or outside?
The damage, including the central impact point and radiating cracks, suggests the object struck the windshield from the outside.
(https://i.ibb.co/qLx33tnX/Screenshot-2025-06-20-at-7-06-17-AM.png)
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You're wrong, and GROK is full of you-know-what.
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You're wrong, and GROK is full of you-know-what.
GROK, I gave your exact answer to a forum, and one of the forum members said:
"You're wrong, and GROK is full of you-know-what."
How do you respond to that?
I stand by my analysis based on the visible damage pattern, which aligns with an external impact.
There you go...
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GROK, I gave your exact answer to a forum, and one of the forum members said:
"You're wrong, and GROK is full of you-know-what."
How do you respond to that?
I stand by my analysis based on the visible damage pattern, which aligns with an external impact.
There you go...
With ChatGPT and GROK weighing in... we can be assured there were at least two shooters... one from the rear, one from the front... and SSA Greet might have been a target as well...