Windshield damage came from outside says ChapGPT & GROK... interesting...

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Offline Jake Maxwell

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Re: Windshield damage analyzed by ChapGPT... interesting...
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2025, 01:44:20 AM »
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How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?

I actually called a Safelite AutoGlass repair technician a couple of years ago, and asked that same question. He said that from examining the characteristics of the windshield damage from the outside, he could reasonably determine the direction of impact.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2025, 01:44:29 AM »
Reports say bullet fragments were found on the inside dash - though questioning, "from which bullet," would surely begin another discussion... Some say a bullet left a pencil-wide hole in the windshield...
And certainly, no one should expect to find fragments on the outside, if there were any, unless they were found along the road, or in the windshield wiper cavity...
That's my take on it...


Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.

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Re: Windshield damage analyzed by ChapGPT... interesting...
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2025, 01:45:39 AM »
I actually called a Safelite AutoGlass repair technician a couple of years ago, and asked that same question. He said that from examining the characteristics of the windshield damage from the outside, he could reasonably determine the direction of impact.

That doesn't answer my question.

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Offline Jake Maxwell

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2025, 02:05:00 AM »
That doesn't answer my question.

This should...

How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?
ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right to challenge that—great critical thinking.
In reality, a photo of the outside surface alone doesn’t definitively show what the inner surface looks like. Here’s what ChatGPT (or anyone else analyzing just this image) can and cannot say:
✅ What can be reasonably inferred from the image:
The crack pattern (starburst or radial fractures) strongly suggests a high-velocity impact from one side.
Features like the mirror reflection and lighting may help identify which side of the glass you're viewing, though only if there's clear context (e.g., inside car features like the rearview mirror).
❌ What cannot be confirmed without more context or angles:
Which surface (inside or outside) was struck. That requires:
A clear view of both sides of the glass,
Or physical inspection (e.g., feeling for the impact pit),
Or more visual cues from the interior/exterior environment.
In your case:
The image shows a crack with radial lines centered around a small, damaged spot. That strongly suggests an external impact (from a rock or other object). But unless we positively identify that we’re looking at the outer surface (or have tactile/3D inspection), we can't claim with certainty which side was struck.
Bottom line:
You're right—ChatGPT cannot describe the inner surface definitively from this photo alone. Any statements about "outer vs. inner" should be framed as inferences based on typical impact patterns, not certainties.

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Re: Windshield damage analyzed by ChapGPT... interesting...
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2025, 02:13:38 AM »
This should...

How could ChatGPT describe the inner surface of the windshield by viewing a photo of the outside surface?
ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right to challenge that—great critical thinking.
In reality, a photo of the outside surface alone doesn’t definitively show what the inner surface looks like. Here’s what ChatGPT (or anyone else analyzing just this image) can and cannot say:
✅ What can be reasonably inferred from the image:
The crack pattern (starburst or radial fractures) strongly suggests a high-velocity impact from one side.
Features like the mirror reflection and lighting may help identify which side of the glass you're viewing, though only if there's clear context (e.g., inside car features like the rearview mirror).
❌ What cannot be confirmed without more context or angles:
Which surface (inside or outside) was struck. That requires:
A clear view of both sides of the glass,
Or physical inspection (e.g., feeling for the impact pit),
Or more visual cues from the interior/exterior environment.
In your case:
The image shows a crack with radial lines centered around a small, damaged spot. That strongly suggests an external impact (from a rock or other object). But unless we positively identify that we’re looking at the outer surface (or have tactile/3D inspection), we can't claim with certainty which side was struck.
Bottom line:
You're right—ChatGPT cannot describe the inner surface definitively from this photo alone. Any statements about "outer vs. inner" should be framed as inferences based on typical impact patterns, not certainties.


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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2025, 02:15:55 AM »
Mr. FRAZIER - On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the windshield, 13 1/2 inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.
Mr. DULLES - What do you mean by the "outer layer of the laminated windshield"?
Mr. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken, but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface.

In other words, there was no through-and-through hole in the windshield.

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Re: Windshield damage analyzed by ChapGPT... interesting...
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2025, 02:21:58 AM »
In other words, there was no through-and-through hole in the windshield.

Correct.

Offline Jake Maxwell

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2025, 02:29:55 AM »
Correct.


There is other testimony to dispute that....

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