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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Ruslan Sadykov on December 06, 2023, 01:30:48 PM
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Why are many people still distrustful of the version of the President JFK assassination, outlined by James Files?
In my opinion, James Files' version is the most convincing of all existing ones. It is perfectly supported by facts, evidence, films and photographs, witness statements, explanations from specialists and experts.
There is no reason not to trust the numerous witness statements about the sound of a shot coming from the Grassy Knoll, about a cloud of smoke at the picket fence, about the smell of gunpowder gases in the area. That is, the shot was fired from there.
Did this shot hit JFK? And did it hit him in the head?
I read an interesting post on another forum about the JFK assassination:
https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1714/forensic-science-president-kennedys-wounds (https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1714/forensic-science-president-kennedys-wounds)
The explanations of specialists and experts set out in this post refute JFK's head injury with only one FMJ bullet, if such a bullet hit the head at all, and correspond to Files' words about his use of an expansive bullet loaded with mercury and about his shot from the front, from behind a picket fence on the Grassy Knoll. Most likely, Nicoletti or another gunman also used expansive bullets for his shot or shots, not excluding another caliber. This also explains the fact that forensic experts could not explain in any way, namely the finding of two fragments of a bullet on the posterior outer surface of the skull, and not in the entry hole itself, but relatively far from it. With a high degree of probability, it can be concluded that the president's head was hit by two shots – both from behind and from the front, with expansive bullets fired not from the LHO rifle.
Witnesses confirm Files' words that immediately after his fatal shot, some people did not let a few other people rush to the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll immediately after the shot, thus giving Files time to escape.
Films, for example, the Malcolm Couch's film, and photographs confirm Files' words that in the first seconds, or maybe even a minute after the assassination attempt, there were few people on the Grassy Knoll, and almost no one ran to the picket fence.
Files' reasoning about firearms, shooting, sighting in, his choice a single-shot the .221 Remington Fireball XP-100 handgun as an assassination weapon also speaks in favor of him. That he is an experienced user of firearms. He chose exactly the firearm that was perfect for the task. It is quite powerful and accurate and, at the same time, compact, stowable in a small case, which few people will pay attention to, since based on the crime scene, everyone will be looking for a rifle. It is unlikely that an impostor would have thought of naming Fireball XP-100 in his fabrications, besides, at that time it was practically still an experimental weapon.
And in the case of guns, I think Files is being tricky about something. He says that he did not know until November 22 that he would have to shoot the president. However, he took the Fireball XP-100 to Dallas, an extremely specific single-shot(!) firearm, an assassination weapon. In addition, it was his own weapon, obtained 8-12 months before. That is, Files should have initially understood that he would be the only to fire this weapon. And there was no talk of any other goals in Dallas other than the president JFK.
Files even told about the rain that had fallen in the morning, and witnesses told about the dirt in the parking lot at the Grassy Knoll, caused, apparently, by this rain. It is such trifles that testify to the truthfulness of the narrator.
In general, James Files' confession is replete with details and minutiae (starting from the description of the actual events and ending with his mental attitude towards them, his psychology, his emotions), making his story so plausible that it is most likely true.
Naturally, Files did not have the full picture of the conspiracy, did not know all its participants and (or) their invented and actual roles, which of them was at the time of the assassination attempt on Dealey Plaza and what they were doing.
It is even possible, but not necessarily, that James Files got into the lenses of photo and film cameras.
So, on the Malcolm Couch' film , a short time after the shots were fired, a man is rapidly passing in the crowd of people standing at the Texas School Book Depository. The glances and movements of all people are directed where the motorcade sped off, towards the Triple Underpass. However, the man is rapidly walking in the opposite direction without looking back. In his right hand he carries an object similar to a briefcase. He is wearing a short or cropped jacket. He follows the route that James Files, according to him, took to his car, parked near the Dal Tex Building.
And in the Mary Moorman's famous photograph above the edge of the picket fence there is an image that is either a play of shadows and light, or maybe the head of a man clinging to the optical sight of a firearm.
And probably the most important argument in favor of Files. He is not an impostor! No. He kept this secret. And he revealed it only as a result of the longtime and painstaking work of deeply respected Zack Shelton and other people involved, whom I find no reason to distrust.
P.s. I can't upload images from Imgur yet. I can't change the post properties from Hidden to To Community. Can someone explain how to do this? The To Community button is inactive.
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The Top Ten Reasons The Jim Files' Story Needs Help - Dave Perry 1997
1. Files claims he was involved with the mob as part of "The Chicago Family" (by timelines after September 1960). He indicated the mob was headed by Tony Accardo and that "(Sam) Giancana was an underling to Accardo."
Tony Accardo turned control of the Chicago mob over to Sam "Mooney" Gianciana in the summer of 1955.
2. Files claims he served in Laos with the 82nd Airborne conducting training of that countries' soldiers in "mechanical ambushes."
Because of the jungle's "triple tree canopy" airborne operations were futile. Helicopter gun ships were used instead. Additionally, he mispronounces the name given the people of Laos as Latoatians. Something which would give great offense to these proud people.
3. Files claims he was recruited for CIA operations in April 1961 by David Atlee Phillips.
In 1961Phillips was Chief of Covert Action in Mexico City and additionally ran the CIA's "propaganda shop." He had nothing to do with CIA recruitment.
4. Files claims responsibility for training some of the Bay of Pigs soldiers at the behest of the CIA and David Atlee Phillips. He describes the training as taking place in the Everglades.
The preparation of invasion forces for the Bay of Pigs took place in Guatemala.
5. Files indicates training for the Bay of Pigs incursion took place at No Name Key in the Everglades.
No Name Key is located about 25 miles east of Key West and about 50 air miles across Florida Bay from the Everglades. This is a distinction that would surely be known to someone actually involved in those covert operations.
6. On the morning of November 22, 1963 Files sits at a counter stool in a "pancake house just off the major highway." He observes a meeting between Jack Ruby and John Roselli during which Ruby passes a "5X9 manila envelope" to Roselli. Later Files discovers the envelope contains "Secret Service identification and a map of the motorcade route." Roselli quips "They only made one change." Files reveals the alteration was the "little zig zag onto Elm they never should have made."
Stories of last minute changes in the motorcade route are pure fabrications. The actual route was approved on Monday, November 18, 1963 and published in both The Dallas Morning News and Dallas Times Herald on November 19, 1963 three full days before the alleged meeting between Ruby and Roselli.
7. Files claimed he hit Kennedy by firing one shot into Kennedy's left (that's correct left) temple.
The alleged "grassy Knoll" shot struck Kennedy in the right side of the head. Files claimed he fired a .222 bullet from his pistol - a Remington XP-100. Experts who own this pistol claim it's not a good weapon in this situation. "It kicks like a mule and sounds like a cannon." Ballistics tests, as well as, ear witnesses would certainly be able to identify the distinctive sound.
8. Files claims he fired only one shot, bit the bullet and left it on the picket fence as "a sort of a calling card."
Not one but two shell casings were discovered in Dealey Plaza. One approximately 60 feet ENE of the one Files claims he left.
Press Here To View The Map Prepared By The Discoverer Of The Shells
Additionally, a Houston, Texas Orthodontist claimed the bullet did have teeth marks on it. The Orthodontist has recanted claiming the question was not asked properly. It could be incisor tooth marks but of either animal or human origin or it could simply be a dent in the casing.
9. Assassination witness Malcolm Summers claims he saw someone fitting Files description carrying a strange weapon.
By Files own version he returned the weapon to its' case immediately after the shooting and as he fled the assassination scene he took a route that was not within Summers field of view.
10. In Summers' voluntary statement of 11/23/63 he indicated he returned to his truck "15 to 20 minutes" after the assassination. He then walked to his truck parked on Houston Street and left. Near the Houston Street viaduct he saw three slender men who appeared excited in a maroon 1961 or 1962 Chevrolet sedan. They drove over the Houston Street Viaduct and turned onto Marsalis Avenue.
Files claims he returned to a parking lot next to the DalTex building where he met his passengers, Roselli and Nicoletti. Files drove off making a right turn on Houston Street and then proceeded "5 to 6 blocks to a major street, took a left went a few more blocks by the expressway . . ." First, if Files did make a right turn from the parking lot ( it appears the described parking lot did not actually exist) onto Houston he would be going in the opposite direction from that of Summers. Summers would have never seen the vehicle driven by Files.
Secondly, if Files made a left turn and proceeded "5 to 6 blocks to a major street, took a left went a few more blocks by the expressway . . ." he would still have made a turn short of the Houston Viaduct.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/files.htm (https://www.jfk-assassination.net/files.htm)
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A strange man with a briefcase
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A strange image. Either a trick of light and shadow, or the head of a man clinging to the telescopic sight of a firearm
(https://i.imgur.com/ATVysvy.jpg)
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I believe your "Briefcase Man" is actually DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker running toward the TSBD front door. Go over to YOU TUBE and search for, "Couch Film JFK Assassination". Gil Jesus has a decent copy posted there with regard to Briefcase Man. A clearer Couch Film will make it obvious that your "Briefcase Man" is allegedly a DPD Motorcycle Cop. Always keep your eye peeled for the Bright White Helmet all DPD Motorcycle Cops wore. Well, they all wore it with the possible exception of the Gordon Arnold, "NO Hat Cop". Whatever you might be researching for in the JFK Assassination, always include YOU TUBE and everything posted by "The JFK Theorist". That kid is currently setting the JFK Assassination Research Community on its' ear. "The JFK Theorist" has done more in the last year than the Old Guard JFK Researchers did in the previous 59.
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The Top Ten Reasons The Jim Files' Story Needs Help - Dave Perry 1997
I will try to answer your 10 questions later.
In the meantime, I will say the following. James Files stubbornly and for a long time concealed his involvement in the events at Dealey Plaza, refused to meet with Joe West. This clearly follows from the information provided to me, for example, by you. He was quietly and peacefully serving his sentence. Information about his involvement was obtained by FBI agent Zack Shelton. This leads to the conclusion that Files is not an impostor. He wasn't someone who was looking for someone to tell his fairytales to. They were looking for him because they had received information about his involvement, which he initially rejected anyway.
First of all, I will try to estimate his story about a specific event at Dealey Plaza. I compare this with facts, documents, photographs and films, evidence, witness statements, explanations and conclusions of specialists and experts.
Files's critics, in turn, are mostly busy searching for and perhaps finding contradictions, perhaps justified, in something that is not directly related to the events at Dealey Plaza. All kinds of Laos, Cuba, airborne troops, agents, operatives, controls etc.. First, information about such affairs and operations is itself classified, to which Files' critics have never had and will never have full access. Secondly, the archival materials that they managed to study cannot contain complete and reliable information about real events, since, generally speaking, any document cannot fully reflect the reality, the essence of things. Thirdly, these cases, by definition, involve deliberate misinformation. Fourth, when it comes to such issues, I always prefer to believe one Zack Shelton than 100,500 such critics. Because these critics are incompetent in these matters. Fifth, I always remember that Humanum errare est - it is human nature to make mistakes. Both to James Files and his critics, and to the witnesses, as well as to myself. Especially as time passes. Because, sixth, human memory is imperfect, especially in relation to minor events, persons and objects. For me, for example, what is more important is not where exactly Files left the shell casing that he bite down, whether he left it at all, whether it was found, where it was found, etc., but the fact that his confession to the president JFK assassination is confirmed by many things in the aggregate, among which this shell casing is not the main evidence at all.
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I believe your "Briefcase Man" is actually DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker running toward the TSBD front door. Go over to YOU TUBE and search for, "Couch Film JFK Assassination". Gil Jesus has a decent copy posted there with regard to Briefcase Man. A clearer Couch Film will make it obvious that your "Briefcase Man" is allegedly a DPD Motorcycle Cop. Always keep your eye peeled for the Bright White Helmet all DPD Motorcycle Cops wore. Well, they all wore it with the possible exception of the Gordon Arnold, "NO Hat Cop". Whatever you might be researching for in the JFK Assassination, always include YOU TUBE and everything posted by "The JFK Theorist". That kid is currently setting the JFK Assassination Research Community on its' ear. "The JFK Theorist" has done more in the last year than the Old Guard JFK Researchers did in the previous 59.
Thank you. Yes, it's a uniformed policeman.
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A strange image. Either a trick of light and shadow, or the head of a man clinging to the telescopic sight of a firearm
Debunked Many Years Ago, Ruslan.
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Debunked Many Years Ago, Ruslan.
Bond 8
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Bond 4
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I don't see any debunking at all. I see two different shots, taken a little bit, but still from different angles. But I do not see a hat and, accordingly, the Hatman. If in the Moorman's shot there is a gunman, then I see a man's face with a rather open forehead. And James Files, in an accessible photo at this age, combed his hair back. And Files shot with his hats off. The alleged man's head is tilted to the right. This is only possible if the gunman shoots like a right-handed person. In the video, Files simulates aiming like a right-handed person. In addition, Files said that he was purposely standing under some kind of tree branch for additional camouflage. Also, I wonder if both shots were taken at the same time or not?..
With all the desire, with the available resolution, it is impossible to unambiguously decide whether a person or not is captured in the Moorman's shot.
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RUSLAN - Whatever the issue at hand might be, it is becoming a common retort for someone to say, "That's been debunked". Usually, nothing definitive is offered to Prove the, "That's been debunked" claim. It's thrown out there with the expectation that the "debunked" declaration will be silently accepted and then over the course of time accepted as being Fact. Congrats to You on confronting this "debunked" claim.
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RUSLAN - Whatever the issue at hand might be, it is becoming a common retort for someone to say, "That's been debunked". Usually, nothing definitive is offered to Prove the, "That's been debunked" claim. It's thrown out there with the expectation that the "debunked" declaration will be silently accepted and then over the course of time accepted as being Fact. Congrats to You on confronting this "debunked" claim.
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Thank you Royell! I agree with you.
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Why are many people still distrustful of the version of the President JFK assassination, outlined by James Files?
In my opinion, James Files' version is the most convincing of all existing ones. It is perfectly supported by facts, evidence, films and photographs, witness statements, explanations from specialists and experts.
There is no reason not to trust the numerous witness statements about the sound of a shot coming from the Grassy Knoll, about a cloud of smoke at the picket fence, about the smell of gunpowder gases in the area. That is, the shot was fired from there.
Did this shot hit JFK? And did it hit him in the head?
I read an interesting post on another forum about the JFK assassination:
https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1714/forensic-science-president-kennedys-wounds (https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1714/forensic-science-president-kennedys-wounds)
The explanations of specialists and experts set out in this post refute JFK's head injury with only one FMJ bullet, if such a bullet hit the head at all, and correspond to Files' words about his use of an expansive bullet loaded with mercury and about his shot from the front, from behind a picket fence on the Grassy Knoll. Most likely, Nicoletti or another gunman also used expansive bullets for his shot or shots, not excluding another caliber. This also explains the fact that forensic experts could not explain in any way, namely the finding of two fragments of a bullet on the posterior outer surface of the skull, and not in the entry hole itself, but relatively far from it. With a high degree of probability, it can be concluded that the president's head was hit by two shots – both from behind and from the front, with expansive bullets fired not from the LHO rifle.
Witnesses confirm Files' words that immediately after his fatal shot, some people did not let a few other people rush to the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll immediately after the shot, thus giving Files time to escape.
Films, for example, the Malcolm Couch's film, and photographs confirm Files' words that in the first seconds, or maybe even a minute after the assassination attempt, there were few people on the Grassy Knoll, and almost no one ran to the picket fence.
Files' reasoning about firearms, shooting, sighting in, his choice a single-shot the .221 Remington Fireball XP-100 handgun as an assassination weapon also speaks in favor of him. That he is an experienced user of firearms. He chose exactly the firearm that was perfect for the task. It is quite powerful and accurate and, at the same time, compact, stowable in a small case, which few people will pay attention to, since based on the crime scene, everyone will be looking for a rifle. It is unlikely that an impostor would have thought of naming Fireball XP-100 in his fabrications, besides, at that time it was practically still an experimental weapon.
And in the case of guns, I think Files is being tricky about something. He says that he did not know until November 22 that he would have to shoot the president. However, he took the Fireball XP-100 to Dallas, an extremely specific single-shot(!) firearm, an assassination weapon. In addition, it was his own weapon, obtained 8-12 months before. That is, Files should have initially understood that he would be the only to fire this weapon. And there was no talk of any other goals in Dallas other than the president JFK.
Files even told about the rain that had fallen in the morning, and witnesses told about the dirt in the parking lot at the Grassy Knoll, caused, apparently, by this rain. It is such trifles that testify to the truthfulness of the narrator.
In general, James Files' confession is replete with details and minutiae (starting from the description of the actual events and ending with his mental attitude towards them, his psychology, his emotions), making his story so plausible that it is most likely true.
Naturally, Files did not have the full picture of the conspiracy, did not know all its participants and (or) their invented and actual roles, which of them was at the time of the assassination attempt on Dealey Plaza and what they were doing.
It is even possible, but not necessarily, that James Files got into the lenses of photo and film cameras.
So, on the Malcolm Couch' film , a short time after the shots were fired, a man is rapidly passing in the crowd of people standing at the Texas School Book Depository. The glances and movements of all people are directed where the motorcade sped off, towards the Triple Underpass. However, the man is rapidly walking in the opposite direction without looking back. In his right hand he carries an object similar to a briefcase. He is wearing a short or cropped jacket. He follows the route that James Files, according to him, took to his car, parked near the Dal Tex Building.
And in the Mary Moorman's famous photograph above the edge of the picket fence there is an image that is either a play of shadows and light, or maybe the head of a man clinging to the optical sight of a firearm.
And probably the most important argument in favor of Files. He is not an impostor! No. He kept this secret. And he revealed it only as a result of the longtime and painstaking work of deeply respected Zack Shelton and other people involved, whom I find no reason to distrust.
P.s. I can't upload images from Imgur yet. I can't change the post properties from Hidden to To Community. Can someone explain how to do this? The To Community button is inactive.
Ruslan: As you probably know, an autopsy was performed on JFK after the assassination and over the past 60 years since then over a dozen of the country's top forensic pathologists have examined the original evidence. They didn't look at copies of the x-rays and photos; they closely studied in fine detail (e.g., microscopically) the original material plus JFK's clothes, et cetera. Their conclusion was that JFK was shot in the back of the head with the bullet exiting the top/right of his skull.
These forensic pathologists were men who performed over 100,000 autopsies and had over 100+ years of experience. This included what was called the Clark Panel and the HSCA panel. And private forensic pathologists have also examined the evidence firsthand. Here is one of them, Peter Cummings, and his conclusion: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-the-assassination-of_b_4310463
Could they all be wrong? Of course. But I will accept their judgments over those of amateurs who look at multi-generation copies of the photos and who have no experience - none at all - in these fields of medicine. It's called: science.
JFK autopsy report: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf
Clark Panel: https://archive.org/details/nsia-AutopsyJFKClarkMedicalPanelReport1968/nsia-AutopsyJFKClarkMedicalPanelReport1968/Autopsy%20Clark%20Panel%2001/
HSCA Medical Panel Report: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/pdf/HSCA_Vol7_M53a_Kennedy.pdf
Again, the evidence for me is that there was no shot that hit JFK that was fired from the GK or fence. Maybe someone fired from there - I don't think so - but if they did they missed.
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Ruslan: As you probably know, an autopsy was performed on JFK after the assassination and over the past 60 years since then over a dozen of the country's top forensic pathologists have examined the original evidence. They didn't look at copies of the x-rays and photos. They studied the original material plus JFK's clothes, et cetera. Their conclusion was that JFK was shot in the back of the head with the bullet exiting the top/right of his skull.
The forensic pathologists were men who performed over 100,000 autopsies and had over 100 years of experience. This included what was called the Clark Panel and the HSCA panel. And private forensic pathologists have also examined the evidence. Here is one of them, Peter Cummings, and his conclusion: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-the-assassination-of_b_4310463
Could they all be wrong? Of course. But I will accept their judgments over those of amateurs who look at multi-generation copies of the photos.
JFK autopsy report: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf
Clark Panel: https://archive.org/details/nsia-AutopsyJFKClarkMedicalPanelReport1968/nsia-AutopsyJFKClarkMedicalPanelReport1968/Autopsy%20Clark%20Panel%2001/
HSCA Medical Panel Report: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/pdf/HSCA_Vol7_M53a_Kennedy.pdf
Again, the evidence for me is that there was no shot that hit JFK that was fired from the GK or fence. Maybe someone fired from there - I don't think so - but if they did they missed.
Just me, but if Congress was serious about resolving the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Issue, they would have exhumed his body dating back to the HSCA. The missing JFK brain might also be found while exhuming the body.
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Just me, but if Congress was serious about resolving the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Issue, they would have exhumed his body dating back to the HSCA. The missing JFK brain might also be found while exhuming the body.
Are you sure Royell, you already believe that the autopsy was faked, so when Kennedy's dug up body confirms the autopsy report you will just say "more fakery" and at the end of the day will prove nothing more than what we already know.
Remember when Oswald was dug up and cries of fakery were heard coming from CT's across the World.
For God's sake let the Man lie in Peace!
JohnM
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Are you sure Royell, you already believe that the autopsy was faked, so when Kennedy's dug up body confirms the autopsy report you will just say "more fakery" and at the end of the day will prove nothing more than what we already know.
Remember when Oswald was dug up and cries of fakery were heard coming from CT's across the World.
For God's sake let the Man lie in Peace!
JohnM
Once the SKULL is DNA Verified, then the BACK/REAR of the SKULL would be examined. Either there is an ORANGE SIZE/LARGE HOLE present in this area or there is not. Not difficult to do.
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Are you sure Royell, you already believe that the autopsy was faked, so when Kennedy's dug up body confirms the autopsy report you will just say "more fakery" and at the end of the day will prove nothing more than what we already know.
Remember when Oswald was dug up and cries of fakery were heard coming from CT's across the World.
For God's sake let the Man lie in Peace!
JohnM
People who say all of the physical evidence has been faked or altered and that the prior investigations - especially the medical ones (autopsy, Clark Panel, HSCA Medical Panel) - were fraudulent will accept the conclusions of *another* investigation. Yes they will. Just one more and they'll be happy.
If you were to roll this film back 60 years ago and ask conspiracy believers that if over the next 60 years there would be multiple government investigations by multiple generations of Americans and multiple investigations by the media done by multiple generations of reporters AND tens of millions of pages of documents would be released would you be satisfied with the results? They would say "Yes."
But here we are more than half a century later after the most investigated event in American history has been done and they still won't accept it.
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People who say all of the physical evidence has been faked or altered and that the prior investigations - especially the medical ones (autopsy, Clark Panel, HSCA Medical Panel) - were fraudulent will accept the conclusions of *another* investigation. Yes they will. Just one more and they'll be happy.
If you were to roll this film back 60 years ago and ask conspiracy believers that if over the next 60 years there would be multiple government investigations by multiple generations of Americans and multiple investigations by the media done by multiple generations of reporters AND tens of millions of pages of documents would be released would you be satisfied with the results? They would say "Yes."
But here we are more than half a century later after the most investigated event in American history has been done and they still won't accept it.
Why not remove Humans from the equation? You know, those same entities that employ Humans that are accused of being involved in this MURDER and COVER UP. CIA & FBI!! How about we let SCIENCE decide what happened? Oh, that's right. That just happened with the Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE finding that the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". CASE CLOSED !!
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Once the SKULL is DNA Verified, then the BACK/REAR of the SKULL would be examined. Either there is an ORANGE SIZE/LARGE HOLE present in this area or there is not. Not difficult to do.
You're just not getting it!
Sure it's not difficult, but if the findings don't satisfy your suspicions and based on the Mountain of Forensically Proven Evidence I can guarantee the new findings won't be what you want, simply because you will not accept any finding that conflicts with your fantasies and you will dejectedly go back to claiming that the Big Bad Government just faked everything. And back to square one!
JohnM
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You're just not getting it!
Sure it's not difficult, but if the findings don't satisfy your suspicions and based on the Mountain of Forensically Proven Evidence I can guarantee the new findings won't be what you want, simply because you will not accept any finding that conflicts with your fantasies and you will dejectedly go back to claiming that the Big Bad Government just faked everything. And back to square one!
JohnM
For starters, the Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE finding, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE" is not "fantasy". It is FACT! This same SCIENCE is used inside court rooms across this country to trace the trajectories of bullets day-in-day-out. You and your like have stood behind a THEORY that SCIENCE has Now proven to be "IMPOSSIBLE". Now we wait for this same Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE to determine the trajectory of the other Shot(s) along with the location(s) of the other shooter(s). Take a seat John. You're done.
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It would be nice to use more modern science to confirm or refute that Ida Dox pencil drawing of where the rear entry hole was in the back of JFKs skull, actually existed, since it’s not apparent in the one autopsy photo ( the gloves hand holding the scalp).
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For starters, the Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE finding, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE" is not "fantasy". It is FACT! This same SCIENCE is used inside court rooms across this country to trace the trajectories of bullets day-in-day-out. You and your like have stood behind a THEORY that SCIENCE has Now proven to be "IMPOSSIBLE". Now we wait for this same Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE to determine the trajectory of the other Shot(s) along with the location(s) of the other shooter(s). Take a seat John. You're done.
Considering Knott Labs relied on the authentic Zapruder Film, I take it that next time Zapruder film alteration comes up you will not say that the film is "BOGUS" is that right? HAHAHAHAHA!
Hulk Connally! Laughable!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzWmBp8S/Don-Knotts-lab-sbf.gif)
Btw you do realize that this Laser reconstruction will never reach the scrutiny of a court and this entire recreation was funded by John Orr, have you researched this fellow yet? LOL!
Knott Laboratory was hired by John Orr,.....
https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/
JohnM
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It would be nice to use more modern science to confirm or refute that Ida Dox pencil drawing of where the rear entry hole was in the back of JFKs skull, actually existed, since it’s not apparent in the one autopsy photo ( the gloves hand holding the scalp).
Exactly! First LN's rely on Specter and his THEORY, and then they move on to #2 Pencil drawings. And this farce has been perpetuated for 60 yrs. When people such as yourself pull back the curtain, their "evidence" is like a hand shadow on the wall. There's literally Nothing there.
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Considering Knott Labs relied on the authentic Zapruder Film, I take it that next time Zapruder film alteration comes up you will not say that the film is "BOGUS" is that right? HAHAHAHAHA!
Hulk Connally! Laughable!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzWmBp8S/Don-Knotts-lab-sbf.gif)
Btw you do realize that this Laser reconstruction will never reach the scrutiny of a court and this entire recreation was funded by John Orr, have you researched this fellow yet? LOL!
Knott Laboratory was hired by John Orr,.....
https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/
JohnM
"Relied"? Why am I Not Surprised that a SCIENCE DENIER would misrepresent the SCIENCE that was actually involved.
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"Relied"? Why am I Not Surprised that a SCIENCE DENIER would misrepresent the SCIENCE that was actually involved.
Yes relied!
Look closely, into which film's still frame did Knott Labs insert Hulk Connally into??
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzWmBp8S/Don-Knotts-lab-sbf.gif)
JohnM
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When do we get to your using a #2 Pencil Sketch? Do you realize you have now taken the place of Paul Ernst?
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When do we get to your using a #2 Pencil Sketch? Do you realize you have now taken the place of Paul Ernst?
Huh, it's not my work, it's the SCIENCE of Knott Labs! Live with your SCIENCE of Hulk Connally randomly placed into the Presidential Limo!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzWmBp8S/Don-Knotts-lab-sbf.gif)
Btw you used to worship the very ground Old Ernie walked on, what happened? Lovers Quarrel?
JohnM
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Huh, it's not my work, it's the SCIENCE of Knott Labs! Live with your SCIENCE of Hulk Connally randomly placed into the Presidential Limo!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzWmBp8S/Don-Knotts-lab-sbf.gif)
Btw you used to worship the very ground Old Ernie walked on, what happened? Lovers Quarrel?
JohnM
Get on your feet and clear your head. You're Paul now. Not pretty
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Just me, but if Congress was serious about resolving the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Issue, they would have exhumed his body dating back to the HSCA. The missing JFK brain might also be found while exhuming the body.
60 years and this is what we have from a Trump loving conspiracy nut. If Congress was serious? Only the Kennedy family could have authorized an exhumation which they never would have done. You are still one sick SOB.
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60 years and this is what we have from a Trump loving conspiracy nut. If Congress was serious? Only the Kennedy family could have authorized an exhumation which they never would have done. You are still one sick SOB.
You have extremely serious issues. Get help.
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Debunked Many Years Ago, Ruslan.
Bond 8
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Hatman_Myth1.jpg)
Bond 4
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Hatman_Comparison.jpg)
Duncan tell me, please, what is this top picture? I want to get a better look at it.
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Duncan tell me, please, what is this top picture? I want to get a better look at it.
It Is Crop From The Bond Slide Number 8 ( Converted To Black & White ) with The Mary Moorman Photograph Crop Below It For Comparison Purposes.
Bond 8
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/bond8_Large.jpg)
Then I Have Posted A Crop From Bond 4 With Crop Insets From The Mary Moorman Photograph For Comparison Purposes Of The Specific Area Being Discussed.
Bond 4
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/bond4~0.jpg)
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Duncan tell me, please, what is this top picture? I want to get a better look at it.
As I recall, the major issue was the projected Physical Size of the pictured Badge Man.
The Image LN's have NEVER been able to get around is "The Black Dog Man". That is why they cling to the Black Couple allegedly seated on the bench rigmarole vs there actually being NO Assassination Images of this alleged Black Couple what-so-ever. They trash Gordon Arnold due to there being no assassination images of him, yet they fully embrace the Black Couple yarn. The only thing I find interesting about this alleged Black Couple is that they are allegedly in the same area as Gordon Arnold claimed to be. This area between the Picket Fence and the short wall that leads down to the Black Dog Man Nook is a literal Black Hole/Corridor on the knoll. Even Towner 3 with that kid/guy climbing the picket fence involves this same area, as does Motorcycle Officer Hargis claiming to have gone up to the short wall after dismounting his motorcycle and crossing Elm St. (NO assassination images show Hargis anywhere close to that short wall). To this day, we know very little about this Black Hole Area inside Dealey Plaza.
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It Is Crop From The Bond Slide Number 8 ( Converted To Black & White ) with The Mary Moorman Photograph Crop Below It For Comparison Purposes.
Bond 8
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/bond8_Large.jpg)
Then I Have Posted A Crop From Bond 4 With Crop Insets From The Mary Moorman Photograph For Comparison Purposes Of The Specific Area Being Discussed.
Bond 4
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/bond4~0.jpg)
Thank you. But this just means that when analyzing the strange image in the Moorman's photo, it is absolutely impossible to base on the Bond's photo, since there is a time difference between these two pictures, sufficient for the alleged gunman to be already on the way to escape from the shooting position.
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Of course, I haven't read all the information about the JFK assassination. And often, including thanks to your forum, I find new information about it.
In particular, I came across information about Gordon Arnold here. According to him, some, may be fake Secret Service agents had been clearing the parking lot on the Grassy Knoll from outsiders just before the motorcade passed through Dealey Plaza. Another brick in the Files' version. And it seems that other witnesses besides Gordon Arnold have testified about this.
Because if you believe in a conspiracy, then when shooting from behind the picket fence, there should be no outsiders nearby.
And it repeats itself regularly. You get new information. You try it on to the Files' version. And... it fits it.
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Of course, I haven't read all the information about the JFK assassination. And often, including thanks to your forum, I find new information about it.
In particular, I came across information about Gordon Arnold here. According to him, some, may be fake Secret Service agents had been clearing the parking lot on the Grassy Knoll from outsiders just before the motorcade passed through Dealey Plaza. Another brick in the Files' version. And it seems that other witnesses besides Gordon Arnold have testified about this.
Because if you believe in a conspiracy, then when shooting from behind the picket fence, there should be no outsiders nearby.
And it repeats itself regularly. You get new information. You try it on to the Files' version. And... it fits it.
RFK Jr is now naming hit-man for hire Charles Harrelson, (Father of actor Woody Harrelson), as being involved in the JFK Assassination. RFK Jr said Charles Harrelson did Not do any of the actual shooting, but he was responsible for the handing out of the PHONY CIA/FBI Credentials that were used that day. 1 of the "3 Tramps" that police uncovered in the train yard on 11/22/63 does bear a striking resemblance to Charles Harrelson. On, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", Harrelson is questioned behind bars/on camera regarding his involvement in the JFK Assassination, and his likeness to that 1 Tramp. Harrelson denied being be the pictured Tramp, though he did acknowledge with amusement the likeness.
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RFK Jr is now naming hit-man for hire Charles Harrelson, (Father of actor Woody Harrelson), as being involved in the JFK Assassination. RFK Jr said Charles Harrelson did Not do any of the actual shooting, but he was responsible for the handing out of the PHONY CIA/FBI Credentials that were used that day. 1 of the "3 Tramps" that police uncovered in the train yard on 11/22/63 does bear a striking resemblance to Charles Harrelson. On, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", Harrelson is questioned behind bars/on camera regarding his involvement in the JFK Assassination, and his likeness to that 1 Tramp. Harrelson denied being be the pictured Tramp, though he did acknowledge with amusement the likeness.
I've read about it. In my opinion, Charles Harrelson looks somewhat like the first of the three tramps, but still it's not him. The nose is very different. Charles Harrelson's nose is wide and potato-shaped, forked, with rather thick nostrils. Tramp #1 has a different nose. I know that a person's nose grows all their life, but not to the same extent. And the hair waviness is different. And other facial features also differ when viewed in detail. There are enough photos of tramp #1 from different angles.
This is what concerns exactly the three tramps. And not as to whether Charles Harrelson participated in those events or not. I can't say anything about the latter.
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I've read about it. In my opinion, Charles Harrelson looks somewhat like the first of the three tramps, but still it's not him. The nose is very different. Charles Harrelson's nose is wide and potato-shaped, forked, with rather thick nostrils. Tramp #1 has a different nose. I know that a person's nose grows all their life, but not to the same extent. And the hair waviness is different. And other facial features also differ when viewed in detail. There are enough photos of tramp #1 from different angles.
This is what concerns exactly the three tramps. And not as to whether Charles Harrelson participated in those events or not. I can't say anything about the latter.
You pinpoint Tramp #1. Which Tramp is that? Charles Harrelson was the Tallest of the 3 Tramps. The photos I have seen of the 3 Tramps as they were being walked single file across Dealey Plaza has Charles Harrelson positioned in the Middle. "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" segment which highlighted Harrelson claimed that 2 Independent Forensic Anthropologists examined a photo of Charles Harrelson vs a photo of the Tallest Tramp and determined with a probability of 90-95% that Harrelson was the Tallest Tramp.
I am interested in the 3 tramps due to taking special interest in the railroad yard after the assassination. I do NOT believe we are seeing Motorcycle Officer Haygood back inside the train yard on the Darnell Film and the Martin Film. Officer Haygood is the DPD motorcycle cop that dumped his motorcycle at the Elm St curb and then ran up and across the Knoll, climbed atop the Triple Overpass, and then generally inspected the trainyard. During his WC Testimony, Haygood was asked about having made a 12:35 transmission from his motorcycle regarding getting cops to cover the TSBD. Haygood during his WC Testimony confirmed both the time and content of this 12:35 DOCUMENTED Dallas Police Dept Transmission. Officer Haygood is filmed by Wiegman riding toward the Stemmons Sign: (1) AFTER Wiegman ran Up the knoll, (2) AFTER Wiegman filmed the Hester's at the top of the Knoll, (3) AFTER Wiegman ran Down the knoll, And (4) AFTER Wiegman filmed the Newman Family laying on the ground at the bottom of the knoll. Officer Haygood next appears on the Couch Film as he is straightening up his motorcycle at the Elm St. Curb on the other side of The Steps. As Couch inside Camera Car #3 passes by him, Haygood has just managed to straighten up his bike. Officer Haygood is still standing on Elm St at this point. He has not yet started his run UP and ACROSS the Knoll. My conservative estimation is that it probably took Haygood 2 minutes to do ALL of this and then run to the top of the Triple Underpass. With the Kill Shot being at 12:30, this means in only 3 minutes Officer Haygood will be making his DOCUMENTED 12:35 DPD radio transmission from his motorcycle. We next allegedly see Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film inside the railroad yard behind Officer Roger Craig and Officer Buddy Walthers. Officer Craig and Officer Walthers WALK across the entire train yard with this alleged motorcycle cop/Haygood consistently between them and the railroad cars all the way across the railroad yard. We next see this alleged motorcycle cop on the Darnell/Martin Films having reached the end of the railroad cars and now beginning to WALK down the Elm St. Extension toward the Texas School Book Depository. There is No Way that this alleged DPD Cop could in 3 minutes elapsed time: (1) WALK across the entire train yard as seen on the Darnell/Martin Films, (2) WALK down the Elm Ext as seen on the Darnell/Martin Films and (3) make it back to his motorcycle at the bottom of Elm St to make a DOCUMENTED 12:35 radio transmission. That motorcycle cop is NOT Officer Haygood. He was probably positioned back there to keep law enforcement away from the train cars. (Where the 3 Tramps were eventually discovered). This is exactly what this alleged motorcycle cop was doing as he stayed between Officers Craig/Walthers all the way across the train yard. It is physically impossible for the WALKING cop we see on the Darnell/Martin Films to be Officer Haygood and make that DOCUMENTED 12:35 radio transmission.
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The Three Tramps Gus Abrams, Harold Doyle, and John Gedney
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6e/ac/0e/6eac0ee71d6260049c64ab656532590f.jpg)
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Dear forum mates, please tell me who are these three men on the steps leading to the pergola? As far as I understand, there was no one else in front of the picket fence during the shots.
(https://i.imgur.com/LkzzICj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yfrRxGb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oNLid5k.jpg)
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Duncan, thanks for naming the three tramps.
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As for the Hatman, whether it's a bowler hat or a fedora hat. Apparently, the misconception occurred due to a defect in the Moorman's photograph, which occurred either during shooting or, more likely, during the development of photographic film. This defect is clearly visible with sufficient magnification of the photo. However, this does not exclude the possibility that the gunman is depicted in the photo. Of course, without a hat:
(https://i.imgur.com/md5S4UW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mqqxZfC.jpg)
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Dear forum mates, please tell me who are these three men on the steps leading to the pergola? As far as I understand, there was no one else in front of the picket fence during the shots.
The man at the bottom of the stairs is believed by many to be
a Man named F.L. Mudd
Behind Mr Mudd is Dealey Plaza Groundskeeper Emmett Hudson
Behind Emmett Hudson (In My Opinion) is the Man later seen running back up the Steps who I believe is the Partner Of the Woman (Black Dog Man In My Opinion) holding the Baby and who was one of the Black couple seen together behind the Wall by Marilyn Sitzman before the assassination began.
The Running Man Woman And Baby Can All Be Seen Together In The Image Below.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Couple1.jpg)
My Scenario Theory
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Scenario2b.jpg)
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The man at the bottom of the stairs is believed by many to be
a Man named F.L. Mudd
Behind Mr Mudd is Dealey Plaza Groundskeeper Emmett Hudson
Behind Emmett Hudson (In My Opinion) is the Man later seen running back up the Steps who I believe is the Partner Of the Woman (Black Dog Man In My Opinion) holding the Baby and who was one of the Black couple seen together behind the Wall by Marilyn Sitzman before the assassination began.
The Running Man Woman And Baby Can All Be Seen Together In The Image Below.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Couple1.jpg)
My Scenario Theory
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Scenario2b.jpg)
Excellent. The Muchmore film is interesting for considering a "behind the fence" shooter. The actions by the young black man - and apparently his wife/girlfriend - greatly weaken the suggestion of one. This young black women - if she is black dog man - is right next to Files? Or the shooter that Arnold says was there? Did he not see the black couple or Hudson and Mudd?
Where is Files in all of this? Or Arnold? Or the men who took his film?
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The man at the bottom of the stairs is believed by many to be
a Man named F.L. Mudd
Behind Mr Mudd is Dealey Plaza Groundskeeper Emmett Hudson
Behind Emmett Hudson (In My Opinion) is the Man later seen running back up the Steps who I believe is the Partner Of the Woman (Black Dog Man In My Opinion) holding the Baby and who was one of the Black couple seen together behind the Wall by Marilyn Sitzman before the assassination began.
The Running Man Woman And Baby Can All Be Seen Together In The Image Below.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Couple1.jpg)
My Scenario Theory
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Scenario2b.jpg)
Thank you, Duncan.
So, as far as I understand, the man, one of the black couple, was not questioned since he had not been identified.
And what is known about this F.L.Mudd?
It seems that there is an explanation of F.L.Mudd received from him by the FBI, apparently on the day of the assassination attempt or shortly after it. But such an explanation, like personal documents, can be fake. Which was probably the case, since subsequently this F.L.Mudd never testified, and there is no reliable information about him.
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Excellent. The Muchmore film is interesting for considering a "behind the fence" shooter. The actions by the young black man - and apparently his wife/girlfriend - greatly weaken the suggestion of one. This young black women - if she is black dog man - is right next to Files? Or the shooter that Arnold says was there? Did he not see the black couple or Hudson and Mudd?
Where is Files in all of this? Or Arnold? Or the men who took his film?
This F.L.Mudd looks very much like one of the participants in the alleged conspiracy.
And the black couple could easily have been intimidated by the participants in the alleged conspiracy so that they would not testify. Especially at that time. Especially if organized crime people were involved.
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"SEEN RUNNING back UP The Steps"?? What film specifically displays this man "RUNNING back UP The Steps"? Jumping to a conclusion such as this is similar to seeing someone with their hand on a doorknob and then assuming the individual turned the doorknob, opened the door, and passed through the doorway. This same "Assumption Mania" is going on with this guy on The Steps. This individual has Suddenly gone from being Totally Unknown, to: (1) Running Up the steps, (2) Gaining a Wife, and (3) Fathering a Child. Cascading Assumptions such as these are then repeated until they become accepted as Fact. This is a perfect example as to why this case remains Unsolved after 60 years. Assumptions only muddle a case. FACTS are required to solve a case. The "Black Dog Man" figure remains an unidentified individual to this day.
With regard to Emmett Hudson, I am aware of Only Emmitt Hudson ID'ing his being one of those 3 guys on The Steps. This is the same "That's Me" ID that Beverly Oliver makes with regard to her being the Babushka Lady. Yet, somehow Hudson gets rubber stamped as being 1 of the 3 guys on The Steps, vs Beverly Oliver getting nothing but ridicule. And people wonder why this case remains unsolved after 60 yrs? Consistently inept and inconsistent work by both Law Enforcement and the Old Guard JFK Research Community has run rampant through this case since Day 1.
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"SEEN RUNNING back UP The Steps"?? What film specifically displays this man "RUNNING back UP The Steps"?
???
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/Z4alZl8V1cmHK/200.webp?cid=ecf05e47gkcgus3eo2gopzjystl3krzb7k6gg2jxvvcm4dt1&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g)
Nix and Muchmore.
Nix
Muchmore
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NOTHING shows this man,"RUNNING UP The Steps". This "stuff" is an assumption. What we ACTUALLY SEE is a man PIVOTING OR TURNING. We do Not KNOW for certain what he did after the Pivot/Turn. There is ZERO Evidence regarding what he actually did after the Turn/Pivot. He might have spun toward the picket fence and disappeared into the shadows back there. We just do Not KNOW based on FACT(S). We do KNOW 1 MAN that did go UP The Stairs. This would be that Blues Bros dressed guy on TOWNER 3. Towner 3 was shot roughly 90 seconds after the Kill Shot. Where did Blues Bros Man come from to be where we see him on TOWNER 3?
I am currently working/researching this very issue in connection with what I call "The Black Hole" or "The Corridor". This is what I call the area running from the Picket Fence to the short wall. We know exceptionally little about this entire area. This is why when you post that still shot from the Darnell Film, instead of focusing on the people that are NOW standing in that area close to the short wall, YOU should be asking yourself WHY The Bench is at a higher level than the area around it. Is The Bench sitting on top of something, is the ground higher in this select area, what is the reason? It's the little things that often lead to other little things that when connected to each other lead to revelations.
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NOTHING shows this man,"RUNNING UP The Steps". This "stuff" is an assumption. What we ACTUALLY SEE is a man PIVOTING OR TURNING.
(https://media.tenor.com/Cp4RpG5hrrEAAAAM/jack-nicholson.gif)
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This is your best rebuttal? A joke? Thanks for confirming my point. There is NOTHING that shows This Man RUNNING UP The Steps.
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NOTHING shows this man,"RUNNING UP The Steps". This "stuff" is an assumption. What we ACTUALLY SEE is a man PIVOTING OR TURNING. We do Not KNOW for certain what he did after the Pivot/Turn. There is ZERO Evidence regarding what he actually did after the Turn/Pivot.
I showed you these films recently, remember "Dishonest Royell", a name which is quickly becoming your new nickname!
Look closely at these synchronized Films, in Muchmore the man turns and by the time we catch up in Nix, the man is no longer where he was and he's up the stairs and disappearing into the shadows.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pr0jMvrt/muchmore-zaprude-nix-man-on-stairs.gif)
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/23/23b4b79490fdda967ee0fcc8d9c57402_w200.gif)
JohnM
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I showed you these films recently, remember "Dishonest Royell", a name which is quickly becoming your new nickname!
Look closely at these synchronized Films, in Muchmore the man turns and by the time we catch up in Nix, the man is no longer where he was and he's up the stairs and disappearing into the shadows.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pr0jMvrt/muchmore-zaprude-nix-man-on-stairs.gif)
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/23/23b4b79490fdda967ee0fcc8d9c57402_w200.gif)
JohnM
JOHN - It's difficult to tell exactly what degree of detail you have with your copy of the NIX FILM. I have been studying the NIX Film with others back stage for the last 2-3 months. I believe we are probably examining a much better NIX FILM Copy than you, (tough to know for certain with the small Nix Film Box you have provided). Can you tell us why that guy on The Steps who quickly disappears into the Darkness is wearing a WHITE SHIRT? Also, can you tell us why we can also see his bare arm from close to the elbow down to the wrist/hand? NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps is wearing a SOLID WHITE SHIRT. Also, NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps is wearing short sleeves which would expose their bare arm from the elbow down to the wrist/hand. This White Shirt Man corroborates the WC Testimony of Lee Bowers. Bowers claimed to have seen a man wearing a White Shirt "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Check you copy of the NIX FILM frame-by-frame and let us know.
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JOHN - It's difficult to tell exactly what degree of detail you have with your copy of the NIX FILM. I have been studying the NIX Film with others back stage for the last 2-3 months. I believe we are probably examining a much better NIX FILM Copy than you, (tough to know for certain with the small Nix Film Box you have provided). Can you tell us why that guy on The Steps who quickly disappears into the Darkness is wearing a WHITE SHIRT? Also, can you tell us why we can also see his bare arm from close to the elbow down to the wrist/hand? NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps is wearing a SOLID WHITE SHIRT. Also, NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps is wearing short sleeves which would expose their bare arm from the elbow down to the wrist/hand. This White Shirt Man corroborates the WC Testimony of Lee Bowers. Bowers claimed to have seen a man wearing a White Shirt "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Check you copy of the NIX FILM frame-by-frame and let us know.
A very interesting compilation of the Synchronized Dealey Plaza films, which shows a better copy than my GIF.
A panorama of Nix synchronized with Zapruder, where the man disappearing into the shadows is extremely clear.
JohnM
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A very interesting compilation of the Synchronized Dealey Plaza films, which shows a better copy than my GIF.
A panorama of Nix synchronized with Zapruder, where the man disappearing into the shadows is extremely clear.
JohnM
OK, these show a WHITE SHIRT and Flesh Toned ARM. What is your determination? The Lee Bowers WC Testimony coupled with the Original Nix Film being MIA for decades make this worthy of in depth study and discussion.
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OK, these show a WHITE SHIRT and Flesh Toned ARM. What is your determination? The Lee Bowers WC Testimony coupled with the Original Nix Film being MIA for decades make this worthy of in depth study and discussion.
First of all acknowledge that we know what happened to the man who turned around and started up the steps, then and only then, can we discuss something else.
JohnM
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First of all acknowledge that we know what happened to the man who turned around and started up the steps, then and only then, can we discuss something else.
JohnM
If you are truly a JFK Researcher at heart, you will embrace exploring this Blockbuster Discovery. "These are the times that try men's souls" (Thomas Paine)
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This is your best rebuttal? A joke?
It's not a Joke. ;)
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First of all acknowledge that we know what happened to the man who turned around and started up the steps, then and only then, can we discuss something else.
JohnM
While I'm waiting on you to comment on your posted NIX FILM Copy containing a WHITE SHIRTED MAN WITH A FLESH TONED ARM disappearing into the Darkness, I'll help speed things up. Go over to YOU TUBE and search out, "ALL COPIES of the Orville Nix Film of the JFK Motorcade" by The JFK Theorist. The posting by "Theory", (seems to enjoy that Handle), provides multiple good views of the WHITE SHIRT MAN.
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While I'm waiting on you to comment on your posted NIX FILM Copy containing a WHITE SHIRTED MAN WITH A FLESH TONED ARM disappearing into the Darkness, I'll help speed things up. Go over to YOU TUBE and search out, "ALL COPIES of the Orville Nix Film of the JFK Motorcade" by The JFK Theorist. The posting by "Theory", (seems to enjoy that Handle), provides multiple good views of the WHITE SHIRT MAN.
1. You were WRONG about the antenna on the Lead Car, which basically means that you're unproficient and your opinion about any image should not be trusted!
2. Since you lack the technical ability to post your video here, just further shows that any technical analysis by you is a waste of time.
3. And you expect me to waste MY time searching for YOUR dumbass claim, HILARIOUS!
4. Now get back under your rock and don't come out till you can demonstrate even the slightest sliver of competency.
JohnM
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1. You were WRONG about the antenna on the Lead Car, which basically means that you're unproficient and your opinion about any image should not be trusted!
2. Since you lack the technical ability to post your video here, just further shows that any technical analysis by you is a waste of time.
3. And you expect me to waste MY time searching for YOUR dumbass claim, HILARIOUS!
4. Now get back under your rock and don't come out till you can demonstrate even the slightest sliver of competency.
JohnM
The NIX Film was provided by YOU. Your Images.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that if you can debunk a CT Claim, you go ahead and dive right in. Your Now running away from the WHITE SHIRT MAN on the NIX FILM that You provided, means you are unable to find anything to refute what we are seeing. NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps was wearing a WHITE SHIRT. NONE. Also, Lee Bowers gave WC Testimony regarding his seeing a WHITE SHIRT MAN standing "in-line" with the Triple Underpass. This Blockbuster Find on the NIX FILM corroborates the Lee Bowers WC Testimony.
So we now have: (1) Knott Labs Laser SCIENCE declaring the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE" and (2) NIX FILM Blockbuster Discovery of a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving into the darkness on The Steps. That makes 2 Major CT Revelations in only 2+ weeks. And you know what? There is even More to come. Stay Tuned!
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and (2) NIX FILM Blockbuster Discovery of a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving into the darkness on The Steps.
OMG not more disinformation, and to quote a prolific BSer "no wonder after SIXTY years this whole event is clouded in mystery." LOL!
This crop of (Nix 246) comes from The Gayle Nix Jackson Collection of Full Frame Nix Stills and shows a man in a light brown cardigan about to disappear into the shadows. Compare the light brown cardigan to the WHITE Police Motorcycle helmet. I rest my case!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3rXhQHXp/Nix-246-crop.jpg)
Here's the (Nix 246) Full Frame.
(https://i.postimg.cc/prxgLpfj/0246.jpg)
And here's Duncan's excellent "Light Brown Cardigan Man" collage.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Scenario2b.jpg)
Now get back under your Rock and seriously reconsider your role of being a loudmouth propaganda artist!
JohnM
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OMG not more disinformation, and to quote a prolific BSer "no wonder after SIXTY years this whole event is clouded in mystery." LOL!
This crop of (Nix 246) comes from The Gayle Nix Jackson Collection of Full Frame Nix Stills and shows a man in a light brown cardigan about to disappear into the shadows. Compare the light brown cardigan to the WHITE Police Motorcycle helmet. I rest my case!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3rXhQHXp/Nix-246-crop.jpg)
Here's the (Nix 246) Full Frame.
(https://i.postimg.cc/prxgLpfj/0246.jpg)
And here's Duncan's excellent "Light Brown Cardigan Man" collage.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Scenario2b.jpg)
Now get back under your Rock and seriously reconsider your role of being a loudmouth propaganda artist!
JohnM
We got you Cold with your own NIX FILM IMAGES. Along with this man wearing a WHITE SHIRT, we also have the FLESH TONE COLOR from his Arm/Elbow down to his Wrist. NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps had exposed arms. They were ALL wearing Long Sleeves. Lee Bowers gave WC Testimony regarding his seeing a man wearing a WHITE SHIRT "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Connect the dots here. First LN'S DENIED THE SCIENCE provided by Knott Labs Laser SCIENCE, and now LN's DENY THE NIX FILM. This is where they are. DENY, DENY, DENY is the only retort they can muster. And the kicker is, there is still More To Come.
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We got you Cold with your own NIX FILM IMAGES. Along with this man wearing a WHITE SHIRT, we also have the FLESH TONE COLOR from his Arm/Elbow down to his Wrist. NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps had exposed arms. They were ALL wearing Long Sleeves. Lee Bowers gave WC Testimony regarding his seeing a man wearing a WHITE SHIRT "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Connect the dots here. First LN'S DENIED THE SCIENCE provided by Knott Labs Laser SCIENCE, and now LN's DENY THE NIX FILM. This is where they are. DENY, DENY, DENY is the only retort they can muster. And the kicker is, there is still More To Come.
Let's recap.
1. You were absolutely wrong about the antenna on the Lead car!
2. You were wrong about the Lead car stationed at Parkland.
3. You were wrong about the "NIX FILM Blockbuster Discovery of a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving into the darkness on The Steps."
4. The men on the steps were NOT "Directly in line, towards the mouth of the underpass,"(A)
5. Bowers reported seeing a motorcycle drive up the incline, this did NOT happen.(B)
6. Royell forgot to take his meds!
(A)Mr. BOWERS - Directly in line, towards the mouth of the underpass, there were two men. One man, middle-aged, or slightly older, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another younger man, about midtwenties, in either a plaid shirt or plaid coat or jacket.
(B)Mr. BALL - Did you see any activity in this high ground above Elm after the shot?
Mr. BOWERS - At the time of the shooting there seemed to be some commotion, and immediately following there was a motorcycle policeman who shot nearly all of the way to the top of the incline.
Mr. BALL - On his motorcycle?
Mr. BOWERS - Yes.
JohnM
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The ISSUE here is the NIX FILM snippet provided by John Mytton clearly showing a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving Up The Steps into darkness. NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps was wearing a WHITE SHIRT on 11/22/63. NOBODY seems to have a Direct Answer to this WHITE SHIRT MAN. Instead, all they can do is attack Lee Bowers who gave WC Testimony as to seeing a WHITE SHIRT MAN standing "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Attacking the messenger is ALL they can do. They can NOT REFUTE what we see on John Mytton's submitted snippet from the NIX FILM. WHITE SHIRT MAN is now haunting them just like the Knott Labs Laser SCIENCE finding that, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". It's all Now crashing down around them. And, there is even More To Come. -------- TO BE CONTINUED -------
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A very interesting compilation of the Synchronized Dealey Plaza films, which shows a better copy than my GIF.
A panorama of Nix synchronized with Zapruder, where the man disappearing into the shadows is extremely clear.
JohnM
JOHN - I continue waiting on you. Your Posted Copy of the NIX FILM shows a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving UP The Steps and disappearing into the darkness. NONE of the 3 Men standing on The Steps was wearing a WHITE SHIRT. How do you explain this WHITE SHIRT MAN? Lee Bowers gave WC Testimony detailing his seeing a WHITE SHIRT MAN standing "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Your NIX FILM copy not only corroborates this Lee Bowers WHITE SHIRT MAN testimony, it raises the question of where did this WHITE SHIRT MAN suddenly come from? Not only do we have a Blockbuster Discovery here, we have Further PROOF of a conspiracy. Possibly, "after the fact". I am looking forward to hearing your explanation for WHITE SHIRT MAN being on YOUR Copy of the NIX FILM. As is obvious, none of you LN buddies are rushing forward to help you out and explain WHITE SHIRT MAN. Why? Because they have NO EXPLANATION. You're all alone now. I am giving you this brief opportunity to explain WHITE SHIRT MAN before I go ahead and take my 1st Victory Lap. There is More on the way!
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JOHN - I continue waiting on you. Your Posted Copy of the NIX FILM shows a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving UP The Steps and disappearing into the darkness. NONE of the 3 Men standing on The Steps was wearing a WHITE SHIRT. How do you explain this WHITE SHIRT MAN? Lee Bowers gave WC Testimony detailing his seeing a WHITE SHIRT MAN standing "in line" with the Triple Underpass. Your NIX FILM copy not only corroborates this Lee Bowers WHITE SHIRT MAN testimony, it raises the question of where did this WHITE SHIRT MAN suddenly come from? Not only do we have a Blockbuster Discovery here, we have Further PROOF of a conspiracy. Possibly, "after the fact". I am looking forward to hearing your explanation for WHITE SHIRT MAN being on YOUR Copy of the NIX FILM. As is obvious, none of you LN buddies are rushing forward to help you out and explain WHITE SHIRT MAN. Why? Because they have NO EXPLANATION. You're all alone now. I am giving you this brief opportunity to explain WHITE SHIRT MAN before I go ahead and take my 1st Victory Lap. There is More on the way!
Nope, the man was wearing a light brown cardigan.
(https://i.postimg.cc/prxgLpfj/0246.jpg)
Now go away kid, you bother me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvdsMV5w/go-away-kid-you-nother-me.jpg)
JohnM
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Why are many people still distrustful of the version of the President JFK assassination, outlined by James Files?
In my opinion, James Files' version is the most convincing of all existing ones. It is perfectly supported by facts, evidence, films and photographs, witness statements, explanations from specialists and experts.
There is no reason not to trust the numerous witness statements about the sound of a shot coming from the Grassy Knoll, about a cloud of smoke at the picket fence, about the smell of gunpowder gases in the area. That is, the shot was fired from there.
Did this shot hit JFK? And did it hit him in the head?
I read an interesting post on another forum about the JFK assassination:
https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1714/forensic-science-president-kennedys-wounds (https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1714/forensic-science-president-kennedys-wounds)
The explanations of specialists and experts set out in this post refute JFK's head injury with only one FMJ bullet, if such a bullet hit the head at all, and correspond to Files' words about his use of an expansive bullet loaded with mercury and about his shot from the front, from behind a picket fence on the Grassy Knoll. Most likely, Nicoletti or another gunman also used expansive bullets for his shot or shots, not excluding another caliber. This also explains the fact that forensic experts could not explain in any way, namely the finding of two fragments of a bullet on the posterior outer surface of the skull, and not in the entry hole itself, but relatively far from it. With a high degree of probability, it can be concluded that the president's head was hit by two shots – both from behind and from the front, with expansive bullets fired not from the LHO rifle.
Witnesses confirm Files' words that immediately after his fatal shot, some people did not let a few other people rush to the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll immediately after the shot, thus giving Files time to escape.
Films, for example, the Malcolm Couch's film, and photographs confirm Files' words that in the first seconds, or maybe even a minute after the assassination attempt, there were few people on the Grassy Knoll, and almost no one ran to the picket fence.
Files' reasoning about firearms, shooting, sighting in, his choice a single-shot the .221 Remington Fireball XP-100 handgun as an assassination weapon also speaks in favor of him. That he is an experienced user of firearms. He chose exactly the firearm that was perfect for the task. It is quite powerful and accurate and, at the same time, compact, stowable in a small case, which few people will pay attention to, since based on the crime scene, everyone will be looking for a rifle. It is unlikely that an impostor would have thought of naming Fireball XP-100 in his fabrications, besides, at that time it was practically still an experimental weapon.
And in the case of guns, I think Files is being tricky about something. He says that he did not know until November 22 that he would have to shoot the president. However, he took the Fireball XP-100 to Dallas, an extremely specific single-shot(!) firearm, an assassination weapon. In addition, it was his own weapon, obtained 8-12 months before. That is, Files should have initially understood that he would be the only to fire this weapon. And there was no talk of any other goals in Dallas other than the president JFK.
Files even told about the rain that had fallen in the morning, and witnesses told about the dirt in the parking lot at the Grassy Knoll, caused, apparently, by this rain. It is such trifles that testify to the truthfulness of the narrator.
In general, James Files' confession is replete with details and minutiae (starting from the description of the actual events and ending with his mental attitude towards them, his psychology, his emotions), making his story so plausible that it is most likely true.
Naturally, Files did not have the full picture of the conspiracy, did not know all its participants and (or) their invented and actual roles, which of them was at the time of the assassination attempt on Dealey Plaza and what they were doing.
It is even possible, but not necessarily, that James Files got into the lenses of photo and film cameras.
So, on the Malcolm Couch' film , a short time after the shots were fired, a man is rapidly passing in the crowd of people standing at the Texas School Book Depository. The glances and movements of all people are directed where the motorcade sped off, towards the Triple Underpass. However, the man is rapidly walking in the opposite direction without looking back. In his right hand he carries an object similar to a briefcase. He is wearing a short or cropped jacket. He follows the route that James Files, according to him, took to his car, parked near the Dal Tex Building.
And in the Mary Moorman's famous photograph above the edge of the picket fence there is an image that is either a play of shadows and light, or maybe the head of a man clinging to the optical sight of a firearm.
And probably the most important argument in favor of Files. He is not an impostor! No. He kept this secret. And he revealed it only as a result of the longtime and painstaking work of deeply respected Zack Shelton and other people involved, whom I find no reason to distrust.
I'm afraid there are many reasons to doubt Files' story. Some of the errors in his story are minor and understandable, and do not necessarily discredit him. However, some of the other errors in his story are major and cast serious doubt on his credibility. Plus, some of his claims, though neither provable nor disprovable, are downright outlandish and extremely unlikely.
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Just my opinion, but people for whatever reason are attracted to that corner shooting position where the E-W Picket Fence section meets the N-S Picket Fence section. People generally just stand a guy in that corner spot. Not only is that corner position highly visible, its' Line-Of-Sight (LOS) is horrible. That position has: (1) a tree to contend with, (2) the Alleged/Unknown 3 Guys standing at/below the Landing on The Steps, and (3) the Stemmons Sign if firing early-on. That corner position is roughly where Files claimed to be. An experienced Assassin such as Files is Not going to place himself in that shooting position. As an aside, I have always liked Files alleged "calling card". His claiming to bite down on the Bullet Shell and then placing that Shell atop the picket fence rail, has a flair to it that would immediately attract the attention of Dirty Harry Callahan.
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You have extremely serious issues. Get help.
Yawn. My issue is trash such as you and everything you represent. Your history here is perhaps unknown. Not for long.
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OMG not more disinformation, and to quote a prolific BSer "no wonder after SIXTY years this whole event is clouded in mystery." LOL!
This crop of (Nix 246) comes from The Gayle Nix Jackson Collection of Full Frame Nix Stills and shows a man in a light brown cardigan about to disappear into the shadows. Compare the light brown cardigan to the WHITE Police Motorcycle helmet. I rest my case!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3rXhQHXp/Nix-246-crop.jpg)
Here's the (Nix 246) Full Frame.
(https://i.postimg.cc/prxgLpfj/0246.jpg)
And here's Duncan's excellent "Light Brown Cardigan Man" collage.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Scenario2b.jpg)
Now get back under your Rock and seriously reconsider your role of being a loudmouth propaganda artist!
JohnM
Those of us that are simultaneously working together on several JFK Assassination Projects have concluded that it's time to go ahead and take our Victory Lap regarding our JFK Assassination Blockbuster "WHITE SHIRT MAN" Discovery. We feel debate on the WHITE SHIRT MAN has now ended due to the SCIENCE DENIERS desperately attempting to re-brand the Color WHITE as instead being "light brown". It is obvious from the John Mytton submitted NIX FILM copy, (much thanks for that John), that the man moving UP The Steps is Clearly wearing a WHITE Shirt. As we ALL Know, NONE of the 3 guys standing on The Steps was wearing a WHITE SHIRT. This begs the question, where did this WHITE SHIRT MAN come from ALL OF THE SUDDEN? We believe the WHITE SHIRT MAN explains why the Original (out of the camera) NIX FILM continues to be missing and has been for decades, and makes us wonder what else is on the ORIGINAL NIX FILM that mandated its' disappearance? For those of you needing further PROOF of the WHITE Shirt Man, Theory asks that you go to YOU TUBE and search out, "ALL copies of the Orville Nix Film of the Kennedy Motorcade" by The JFK Theorist 7:40. There are multiple copies of the NIX FILM he has posted there to aid your decision. Know that we are currently enjoying our on-going Victory Lap, with another JFK Assassination Revelation and ensuing Victory Lap just around the corner.
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Look closely, into which film's still frame did Knott Labs insert Hulk Connally into??
I wonder if "Hulk Connally" ever met Myers' Hunchback Kennedy?
(https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/45.jpg)
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I wonder if "Hulk Connally" ever met Myers' Hunchback Kennedy?
(https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/45.jpg)
From the profile that looks a lot like "Bones" McCoy inna suit.
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I wonder if "Hulk Connally" ever met Myers' Hunchback Kennedy?
(https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/45.jpg)
For a start you've picked a photo that was taken at a completely different point in time, naughty, naughty, and secondly what a pathetic attempt at a cheap shot of a 3D character made over 20 years ago. The level of 3D reconstruction has come a long way since 2003, here's a frame from a recent video game which on top of it's accuracy, has to update each frame in real time, multiple times a second, and explicitly shows what is to be expected in this current technologically advanced time.
Btw the image on the left is completely computer generated by a mass produced video game console.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jj5S8bZB/Matrix-awakens-vs-matrix.jpg)
Here's Knott Lab's current poor effort, that even a child could recreate with greater proficiency.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8RPkMm4/Don-Knotts-lab-sbf.gif)
And at least Dale Myers had the intellectual fortitude to demonstrate his 3D recreation from every conceivable angle for a detailed analysis, instead of Knott Lab's single frame which cannot be studied at any level beyond what is already established, in the often seen Zapruder frame.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W3qbv7Rn/Dale-K-Myers-SBF.gif)
JohnM
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Now we got P-Nut Gallery material attempting to discredit SCIENCE. You LN's continue embarrassing yourselves
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Now we got P-Nut Gallery material attempting to discredit SCIENCE. You LN's continue embarrassing yourselves
attempting to discredit SCIENCE.
The study of any "SCIENCE" that is presented in a way that doesn't invite peer review is "unreliable" and "cannot be accepted"
Peer-reviewed articles provide a trusted form of scientific communication. Even if you are unfamiliar with the topic or the scientists who authored a particular study, you can trust peer-reviewed work to meet certain standards of scientific quality. Since scientific knowledge is cumulative and builds on itself, this trust is particularly important. No scientist would want to base their own work on someone else’s unreliable study!
https://undsci.berkeley.edu/understanding-science-101/how-science-works/scrutinizing-science-peer-review/
Despite its rigid structure, the scientific method still depends on the most human capabilities: creativity, imagination, and intelligence; and without these, it cannot exist. Documentation of experiments is always flawed because everything cannot be recorded. One of the most significant problems with the scientific method is the lack of importance placed on observations that lie outside of the main hypothesis (related to lateral thinking). No matter how carefully you record what you observe, if these observations are not also submitted to the method, they cannot be accepted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7965632/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20significant,(related%20to%20lateral%20thinking).
JohnM
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NOW You're a "peer"? Get a grip Gomer!
For Knott Lab's work to be accepted as "SCIENCE", they need corroborating scientific consensus, but the way their work secretly hides any scientific methodology tells us that what is being presented as "SCIENCE" is all in the imagination in the mind of a child, your mind Royell!
JohnM
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For Knott Lab's work to be accepted as "SCIENCE", they need corroborating scientific consensus, but the way their work secretly hides any scientific methodology tells us that what is being presented as "SCIENCE" is all in the imagination in the mind of a child, your mind Royell!
JohnM
Do you also think when Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE tracks a bullet trajectory and their result is Admitted As Evidence in COURTS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, that the submission needs "corroborating scientific consensus"? Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE has already passed through All the hoops. You're absolutely embarrassing yourself Gomer.
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Do you also think when Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE tracks a bullet trajectory and their result is Admitted As Evidence in COURTS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, that the submission needs "corroborating scientific consensus"? Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE has already passed through All the hoops. You're absolutely embarrassing yourself Gomer.
Hahahahahahaha!
Your very own words, destroy you.
What Knott Labs provides is merely "evidence" and by your very own definition this "evidence" is not and I repeat is not "SCIENTIFIC" proof and can be disputed by the opposition's superior 3D recreation, any other bright ideas?
Try harder next time! LOLOLOL!
Btw I don't know what a "Gomer" is and if it's an attempt at an ad hominem, you're about as successful at insulting me as everything else that spews from your mouth.
JohnM