JFK Assassination Forum

Back in January of 2023 I took Jack Trojan’s dual laser challenge and proved that the entrance and exit wounds do actually occur in the proper places. If you search for my posts from that time period, you can find photos and discussion of this test. The  video you are referring to is on YouTube. Search for JFK assassination magic bullet test. If the exit wound on JFK is where you think it is, I think it is due to the shot missing the entrance mark a little bit to the JFK’s left and they have the JFK model sitting too erect.

yes thank you Charles i do believe you have the correct program , thank you .

the exit point was where i said it was . but thank you .

I tried to approximate the viewpoint of the Love Field Photo. The animation shows the jump-seat was inboard relative to where Kennedy sat.

In San Antonio, the Governor sat tight to the door interior; note his head's location relative to the side window.

In Dallas, the Governor sat away from the door interior; his head being more inboard than it was in San Antonio, the relationship towards the side window is different.

 

  There is No comparison to how someone chooses to sit on a BENCH SEAT vs the restrictions of a BUCKET SEAT/Jump Seat. It's like sitting anywhere inside a Caddy vs a Mustang front bucket seat. JFK had plenty of Lateral space options to use and therefore shift his sitting position. The back brace JFK was wearing also may have resulted in his altering his seated position. Wearing a back brace while in a seated position for an extended time period is very uncomfortable. And NOBODY knows the exact seated position of JFK at the moment the bullet entered his BACK.

 

hi Martin you ask an interesting and valid question . lets see what our LN friends come up with .

on a similar but slightly different note i once saw a SBT recreation . it was later on youtube and i pointed out something on there that a lot had not noticed , but they took note after that . i watched the program originally on tv , sorry i am at a loss to remember the program name , but as i said it was on youtube , and may still be or atleast the segment i am now speaking about .

but they set up a snipers perch , correct height , angle , distance to replicate the trajectory from the 6th floor window as per the WC . they then recreated the limo (stationary ) with gel mouids to replicate JFK and JBC . they fired a shot . then they went and examined the moulds . there was a hole on the rear of the jfk mould pretty much i think spot on with the actual wound location on JFKs back .then they said lets look at the other exits and entry points on both moulds . they did so and proclaimed that they had replicated the SBT .but i noted something odd and it bothered me . fater looking at JFKs back entry they then showed JBC back entry etc . i waited and waited to see what they did not show , which bothered me ., they did not show it . at the very end of the program with a minute or less remaining they had the presenter speaking in a room and i noted that they had the JFK gel mould in the background . they never drew attention to it .

but what it showed was clear , and on youtube one can of course pause and view it .so what did it show ? well it showed us why THEY DECIDED NOT TO SHOW US the front of the JFK gel mould in the program . while the bullet entered the back pretty accurate location wise , on the front the bullet exited NOT CENTRAL below the adams apple , but ON THE UPPER LEFT SIDE OF THE CHEST . remember they set up the height , angle , distance etc for a correct trajectory . now we know JFK had no exit on the left of his chest however in this program they still had a bullet pass through the jfk mould . so how is that possible ? just how far to the left did they have to place the JBC mould in order to get a bullet exiting the upper left of the JFK moulds chest to strike the JBC mould near the right arm pit ? . and they got away with this on tv lol .sorry now if i have gone a bit off topic but it is SBT related and i think sort of highlights the problem in recreating (attempting to lol ) the SBT .if anyone knows the program i mention id love to have the name , thanks .

Back in January of 2023 I took Jack Trojan’s dual laser challenge and proved that the entrance and exit wounds do actually occur in the proper places. If you search for my posts from that time period, you can find photos and discussion of this test. The  video you are referring to is on YouTube. Search for JFK assassination magic bullet test. If the exit wound on JFK is where you think it is, I think it is due to the shot missing the entrance mark a little bit to the JFK’s left and they have the JFK model sitting too erect.

Quote from: Fergus O'brien on May 13, 2024, 02:14:32 PM

    Quote from: Fergus O'brien on May 10, 2024, 08:45:33 PM


    so i wrote highlighting that Fritz was less than honest and asking a valid question , which was why should we then by default trust every word of such people . in essence they have given us reason , good reason to doubt their honesty , so then is it not and SHOULD IT NOT BE a valid concern of any person as to whether such person/s warrant our distrust ? .  and then i get the above reply stating that FRITZ WAS PARTY TO A CONSPIRACY TO FRAME OSWALD FOR JFKS MURDER . and LN wonder why i might question their intellect ? , i rest my case . i guess LN just find it easier to talk nonsense than to have to talk about such things as the honesty or lack their of of one of their own witnesses ." fergus obrien


"By "less than honest" you claimed he lied about what the suspect said in a homicide investigation.  Not just any homicide investigation but the assassination of the president.  Why would he do this in your fantasy except to frame Oswald for the crime?  Something that folks like yourself and others have claimed was a conspiracy.  If you want to back away from that given its absurdity, then do it without trying to have it every possible way.  A classic mindset of a CTer is to make a claim but then back away from addressing the issues raised by their claim having any validity.  Here it is obvious that Oswald lied about the bag either to Frazier or the police.  He told contradictory stories.  How to get around this for a CTer?  Suggest that the police were not honest about what was said.  Even that makes no sense because the police in this situation are indicating that Oswald claimed he was innocent and didn't carry a long bag.  If they are lying to frame him, they would have said the opposite (i.e. that he confessed and confirmed that he carried his rifle that morning in a long bag).  It's laughable to see the pretzel of logic that you CTers navigate to reach a desired conclusion." Richard smith
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NO , when i said he was less than honest i gave some valid reasons why he can be viewed as less than honest . you seem to have decided to ignore that . neither you nor i or anyone else on this forum can provide proof of a single word that Oswald said during his interrogations .the FACT is all you can possibly claim is that the FBI / DPD etc in interrogation stated that Oswald said certain things , maybe he did and maybe he did not . but  what is for certain is that neither you , nor i or anyone on this forum has a tape recording or first hand typed transcript of any of the interrogations . and as i said very clearly if a person (whom ever they are ) has shown them selves to have been dishonest several times would people then  have a valid reason to distrust such a person ? . i think they would have valid reason .

how exactly could they DPD lie and say he Oswald admitted to them carrying a rifle to work when he had been on TV from friday to sunday denying any guilt , saying I DIDNT SHOOT ANYONE ? .

if i was you i would be more concerned about YOU , and i would worry about how you look my friend , i am a big boy , let me take care of me OK .