Zapruder disproves Brugionis 2-3 frame headshot claim

[Gerry Down]

You can see the cloud of mist expand and dissipating in the next two or three frames after z313.

It's worth pointing out that the magenta, cyan, and yellow dyes used in color film fade over time, but do not do so at the same rate. Magenta takes longer to degrade than the other two colors. As the other dyes fade, the image becomes increasingly skewed towards magenta, which has the effect of reducing the contrast between magenta (and red and pink) areas and the rest of the photo. The cloud of spray was probably more distinctive in 1963 than it was 30 years later when the Z film was digitized, which would go a long way towards explaining why Dino's recollections do match what many researchers want to expect.

Then again, in 2013, Brugioni was a 90-year old man who'd just been shown copies of film frames that he hadn't seen for 50 years. I doubt it's wise to put so much faith in the detailed reliability of such old memories.

Zapruder and Life saw the film the week of the assassination before any dyes got a chance to fade. Despite Zapruder being paid the equivalent in today's money of 1.5m dollars for the film, and Life paying that much, neither of them saw any differences in the Zapruder film at all. That's the kind of money that would make people observant.

[Royell Storing]

Zapruder and Life saw the film the week of the assassination before any dyes got a chance to fade. Despite Zapruder being paid the equivalent in today's money of 1.5m dollars for the film, and Life paying that much, neither of them saw any differences in the Zapruder film at all. That's the kind of money that would make people observant.

  You mention Zapruder and Life not seeing "any DIFFERENCES". "Differences" between the Original Zapruder Film that was sold to Life and specifically what other Z film? Dan Rather saw a Zapruder Film copy the weekend of the assassination. During several Live CBS World Wide TV Broadcasts that same weekend, Rather described his seeing a Much Different Zapruder Film than we have today. For starters, Rather described the Z Film Copy he watched showing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St.

[Tom Graves]

You mention Zapruder and Life not seeing "any DIFFERENCES". "Differences" between the Original Zapruder Film that was sold to Life and specifically what other Z film? Dan Rather saw a Zapruder Film copy the weekend of the assassination. During several Live CBS World Wide TV Broadcasts that same weekend, Rather described his seeing a Much Different Zapruder Film than we have today. For starters, Rather described the Z Film Copy he watched showing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St.

The JFKA was Rather's ticket to the big time, and he knew it.

He had to say something, even though he was out of breath, had no notes, and had been allowed to view the clip only one time.

He blew it on several counts, and people didn't realize he'd made up the "I saw the limo turn onto Elm Street in the Zapruder film" aspect of it until at least 12 years later when muckraking Giraldo Rivera showed on national TV a copy of said film that had been stolen by "photo expert" Robert Groden.

D'oh

[Royell Storing]

  Rather screwed up so badly, that CBS gave him Walter Cronkite's News Anchor position. Top of the ladder. That shut him up.

[Tom Graves]

Rather screwed up so badly, that CBS gave him Walter Cronkite's News Anchor position. Top of the ladder. That shut him up.

CBS probably didn't realize that he'd screwed up on so many things until several years later.

Regardless, at least he got the "money shot" (pardon the pun): JFK had been shot in the head, JBC had been shot somewhere, and that Jackie had tried to jump out of the car or some-such thing.

Oh yeah, and that it happened in Dallas, Texas.

On Elm Street.

[Dan O'meara]

Zapruder and Life saw the film the week of the assassination before any dyes got a chance to fade. Despite Zapruder being paid the equivalent in today's money of 1.5m dollars for the film, and Life paying that much, neither of them saw any differences in the Zapruder film at all. That's the kind of money that would make people observant.

Hi Gerry, do you accept that the clip, posted by Jarrett, has completely debunked your assertion that the 'mist' was only present for a single frame?
Did you not think to look at a copy of the Z-film before starting this thread?

[Tim Nickerson]

Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.

However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the  Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.

Brugioni did not claim that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw. He claimed that the version of the Zapruder film that he saw on the weekend of the assassination showed the headshot "explosion" in more than one frame. In extant Zapruder film, the headshot "explosion", including the red mist, is visible in 3 frames. Brugioni was not shown the extant film or any of the first or second generation copies by Horne or Janney.

[Royell Storing]

CBS probably didn't realize that he'd screwed up on so many things until several years later.

Regardless, at least he got the "money shot" (pardon the pun): JFK had been shot in the head, JBC had been shot somewhere, and that Jackie had tried to jump out of the car or some-such thing.

Oh yeah, and that it happened in Dallas, Texas.

On Elm Street.

    CBS, NBC, ABC ALL knew what was on the Zapruder film. Rather also said on World Wide TV that he could see Gov Connally being shot in the chest as he turned around toward JFK.
    And for the record, NBC still refuses to release their Original Darnell and Wiegman Films. The Wiegman Film being vital as he did film the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass. The Tick/Tock of Wiegman capturing the JFK Limo is relative to a JFK Limo "Rolling Stop" or a flat-out "Stop". And of course, my discovery of Wiegman NOT Filming the "getaway" car being parked alongside the Island. That "getaway" car was traveling down the Elm St Ext while Wiegman was filming the Island.