Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Andrew Mason]

He probably thought it was a motorcycle backfire and ignored it.

Jackie did say that the Harleys had been doing that a lot.

He would not have ignored it after he heard two more and realized they were rifle shots.  That is absurd.  Not a single person said they forgot about the first shot, which Mary Woodward described as a horrible ear shattering noise, after hearing other shots and seeing what was happening. [hint: Zeon was humoring you in suggesting that his camera may have made him go deaf)

[Tom Graves]

He would not have ignored it after he heard two more and realized they were rifle shots.  That is absurd.  Not a single person said they forgot about the first shot, which Mary Woodward described as a horrible ear shattering noise, after hearing other shots and seeing what was happening. [hint: Zeon was humoring you in suggesting that his camera may have made him go deaf)

How can a person forget something they hadn't noticed five seconds before something they did notice?

[Royell Storing]

How can a person forget something they hadn't noticed five seconds before something they did notice?

 Cue Frank Gorshin/"The Riddler".

[Andrew Mason]

How can a person forget something they hadn't noticed five seconds before something they did notice?

How can she have not noticed the first shot?  She said she did notice it.  She counted three shots. The first horrible ear-shattering noise followed by two more shots.  Are you suggesting that there was a shot at z124 that she did not notice but counted three shots after? That's four shots. 

You seem to be making up excuses for witnesses missing this shot that you made up at z124. 

[Tom Graves]

How can she have not noticed the first shot?  She said she did notice it.  She counted three shots. The first horrible ear-shattering noise followed by two more shots.  Are you suggesting that there was a shot at z124 that she did not notice but counted three shots after? That's four shots. 

She?

I thought we were talking about Betzner.

My bad.

[Andrew Mason]

She?

I thought we were talking about Betzner.

My bad.

I was talking about both and got confused between this and the First Shot thread.  But the point is the same.  The idea that anyone would have forgotten about the first shot is absurd.  They may not have counted all the shots but the idea that they did not notice the shots is something that you are just speculating about to explain why not a single witness put the first shot anywhere near where you put it (half a second before Zapruder started filming).

Tina Towner put it later (4-6 seconds after she stopped filming according to her 1996 oral history at Sixth Floor Museum). Hugh Betzner put it later (after z186). Robert Croft put it later (after z161). Occupants of the VP car put it later (just completed the turn). Connally put it later (150-200 feet after the corner).  Mary Woodward put it later (after JFK's last right turn, wave after he passed by where she stood). Occupants of the VP Security car put it later (almost completed the turn). Greer put it later (when they were passing the west edge of the TSBD). Billy Clay, Jean Newman, Georgia Hendrix, Sue Dickerson, Peggy Hawkins, said the President had just passed them when the first shot occurred.  Karan Hicks said :The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion."   

How could all these witnesses independently recall a first shot 4-5 seconds later than you suggest and all be so wrong and yet not a single witness put it anywhere near where you suggest?

[Charles Collins]

I was talking about both and got confused between this and the First Shot thread.  But the point is the same.  The idea that anyone would have forgotten about the first shot is absurd.  They may not have counted all the shots but the idea that they did not notice the shots is something that you are just speculating about to explain why not a single witness put the first shot anywhere near where you put it (half a second before Zapruder started filming).

Tina Towner put it later (4-6 seconds after she stopped filming according to her 1996 oral history at Sixth Floor Museum). Hugh Betzner put it later (after z186). Robert Croft put it later (after z161). Occupants of the VP car put it later (just completed the turn). Connally put it later (150-200 feet after the corner).  Mary Woodward put it later (after JFK's last right turn, wave after he passed by where she stood). Occupants of the VP Security car put it later (almost completed the turn). Greer put it later (when they were passing the west edge of the TSBD). Billy Clay, Jean Newman, Georgia Hendrix, Sue Dickerson, Peggy Hawkins, said the President had just passed them when the first shot occurred.  Karan Hicks said :The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion."   

How could all these witnesses independently recall a first shot 4-5 seconds later than you suggest and all be so wrong and yet not a single witness put it anywhere near where you suggest?

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

[Tom Graves]

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

Good point, Charles.