Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Royell Storing]

   I do Not see the "bend in the wall" on the photo you posted.
   You do know there are 2 walls there? (1) the long wall the people are seated on in the photo you posted, and (2) a short wall running between the Tall Stone Monument and the thick tree on the (R) in the photo you posted. This is why the Croft Cone is incorrect. Based on that cone, we should be seeing that Tall Stone Monument in the Croft photo. You walk down to the very end of that sidewalk that runs behind the wall the people are seated on, and you can reach out and touch that Stone Monument. We frequently hear about how "small" Dealey Plaza actually is. The Tall Stone Monument, the Wall people are seated on, and the RL Thornton Sign were close together. Of course, the RL Thorton sign was removed extremely early on. Over time, this destroys those Land Marks very short distance from one to the other. Either the Croft Cone is inaccurate, or the Croft photo has had the Tall Stone Monument removed/cropped from it. And Croft did have issues with the FBI concerning his film.   

[Andrew Mason]

I think you might be looking at the Towner frame incorrectly Andrew. I have outlined the door to the pergola shelter with yellow lines. This is well past the pillar that I think you are trying to align things to. Watch the Towner film and I think you will see that pillar disappear off the right side of the frames well before the film segments end.

As far as my diagram goes, it depicts the positions at almost a second after the Towner film ends. So back the limo up accordingly and you will see that things align close to what I showed.

Yes. You are right.  Trask's diagram does not have correct placement of the lane markers on Elm St.  This should be more accurate:

[Charles Collins]

   I do Not see the "bend in the wall" on the photo you posted.
   You do know there are 2 walls there? (1) the long wall the people are seated on in the photo you posted, and (2) a short wall running between the Tall Stone Monument and the thick tree on the (R) in the photo you posted. This is why the Croft Cone is incorrect. Based on that cone, we should be seeing that Tall Stone Monument in the Croft photo. You walk down to the very end of that sidewalk that runs behind the wall the people are seated on, and you can reach out and touch that Stone Monument. We frequently hear about how "small" Dealey Plaza actually is. The Tall Stone Monument, the Wall people are seated on, and the RL Thornton Sign were close together. Of course, the RL Thorton sign was removed extremely early on. Over time, this destroys those Land Marks very short distance from one to the other. Either the Croft Cone is inaccurate, or the Croft photo has had the Tall Stone Monument removed/cropped from it. And Croft did have issues with the FBI concerning his film.

Here’s a diagram that shows the overhead view. The bend in the wall is circled by me in yellow. As you can see there are two bends in the wall with the very short very end section pointing directly away from Croft’s camera such that it isn’t seen.





In the Croft photo, we see the three people seated on the first bent section. I have drawn a vertical yellow line where I think that bent section begins (but I could be wrong because it isn’t very obvious). I think the fourth person is probably standing on the sidewalk. I believe the tall column is to the right, just out of the frame of that photo.

[Jarrett Smith]

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

That would put the 1st shot in the Z-150's

[Charles Collins]

That would put the 1st shot in the Z-150's

Or maybe the Z130s or Z140s depending on which part of her range you choose to believe. Frankly I think what she wrote in her book was probably more her genuine memory than was what she said later after being influenced by what other people thought. It is difficult to know how well she was able to judge the amount of time that elapsed after she stopped filming before the first shot sounded. So, I wouldn’t use her time estimate exclusively to try to determine the timing. But I do believe that she was able to say with confidence that the first shot sounded shortly after she stopped filming. Our memories are usually based on associations with something else that happened near that particular point in time. So associating the first shot and her end to filming that segment with each other is a good method for keeping her memory intact. And she has been totally consistent with that association.

[Andrew Mason]

Here is Tina Towner's last frame:


...
In her Sixth Floor Oral History from 1996 she said the first shot occurred 4 or 5 maybe 6 seconds after she stopped filming - see the 1:14:40 point of the video:
 


This is consistent with what she previously said she did between the time she stopped filming and the first shot, although her previous estimates of the time were 1 or 2 seconds or a few seconds.

In Trask's Pictures of the Pain (p. 217) Trask refers to Tina Towner's interview from an article in Teen Magazine, from June 19, 1968 in which she is quoted as saying that just after she stopped filming:

"Now I was beginning to leave when I heard the sky fall in - the loudest crack of a rifle I had ever heard! At that time I had the least notion that it was a gun.  The truth of the matter was that I thought it was a fire cracker."

So her memory is that she was beginning to leave after stopping her camera and before the first shot.  The president had passed by and her father had walked farther down Elm St. so she was not intending to do any more filming.  She doesn't elaborate on the time that took to begin to leave but I suggest that it is consistent with her estimate of 4-5 maybe 6 seconds after filming before the first shot.  Even one or two seconds after she stopped filming does not fit a z124 first shot.

[Charles Collins]

In Trask's Pictures of the Pain (p. 217) Trask refers to Tina Towner's interview from an article in Teen Magazine, from June 19, 1968 in which she is quoted as saying that just after she stopped filming:

"Now I was beginning to leave when I heard the sky fall in - the loudest crack of a rifle I had ever heard! At that time I had the least notion that it was a gun.  The truth of the matter was that I thought it was a fire cracker."

So her memory is that she was beginning to leave after stopping her camera and before the first shot.  The president had passed by and her father had walked farther down Elm St. so she was not intending to do any more filming.  She doesn't elaborate on the time that took to begin to leave but I suggest that it is consistent with her estimate of 4-5 maybe 6 seconds after filming before the first shot.  Even one or two seconds after she stopped filming does not fit a z124 first shot.

I agree with your last sentence. For what it’s worth, here is part of what Tina wrote in the epilogue of her book:

I noticed some minor discrepancies between what I recorded in the oral histories and what I now remember. Going through my files helped make some things more clear. If anyone wonders which is more accurate, I would lean toward my book rather than the oral history.

Frankly, I think that relating the time of the first shot to just after the end of her filming segment is something that she most likely would have been able to do accurately (because our memories are quite often based on those types of associations). However, I think that remembering exactly how much time might have elapsed between the end of her filming segment and the first shot would be much harder to gauge accurately. Therefore she gives a range of 1 or 2 seconds (if that much, aka: or less) in her book. That would place the first shot somewhere close to the Z133 time.