Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Andrew Mason]

She?

I thought we were talking about Betzner.

My bad.

I was talking about both and got confused between this and the First Shot thread.  But the point is the same.  The idea that anyone would have forgotten about the first shot is absurd.  They may not have counted all the shots but the idea that they did not notice the shots is something that you are just speculating about to explain why not a single witness put the first shot anywhere near where you put it (half a second before Zapruder started filming).

Tina Towner put it later (4-6 seconds after she stopped filming according to her 1996 oral history at Sixth Floor Museum). Hugh Betzner put it later (after z186). Robert Croft put it later (after z161). Occupants of the VP car put it later (just completed the turn). Connally put it later (150-200 feet after the corner).  Mary Woodward put it later (after JFK's last right turn, wave after he passed by where she stood). Occupants of the VP Security car put it later (almost completed the turn). Greer put it later (when they were passing the west edge of the TSBD). Billy Clay, Jean Newman, Georgia Hendrix, Sue Dickerson, Peggy Hawkins, said the President had just passed them when the first shot occurred.  Karan Hicks said :The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion."   

How could all these witnesses independently recall a first shot 4-5 seconds later than you suggest and all be so wrong and yet not a single witness put it anywhere near where you suggest?

[Charles Collins]

I was talking about both and got confused between this and the First Shot thread.  But the point is the same.  The idea that anyone would have forgotten about the first shot is absurd.  They may not have counted all the shots but the idea that they did not notice the shots is something that you are just speculating about to explain why not a single witness put the first shot anywhere near where you put it (half a second before Zapruder started filming).

Tina Towner put it later (4-6 seconds after she stopped filming according to her 1996 oral history at Sixth Floor Museum). Hugh Betzner put it later (after z186). Robert Croft put it later (after z161). Occupants of the VP car put it later (just completed the turn). Connally put it later (150-200 feet after the corner).  Mary Woodward put it later (after JFK's last right turn, wave after he passed by where she stood). Occupants of the VP Security car put it later (almost completed the turn). Greer put it later (when they were passing the west edge of the TSBD). Billy Clay, Jean Newman, Georgia Hendrix, Sue Dickerson, Peggy Hawkins, said the President had just passed them when the first shot occurred.  Karan Hicks said :The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion."   

How could all these witnesses independently recall a first shot 4-5 seconds later than you suggest and all be so wrong and yet not a single witness put it anywhere near where you suggest?

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

[Tom Graves]

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

Good point, Charles.

[Royell Storing]

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

   2 seconds is a very long time. With respect to timing, how does the End of the Towner Film match up with the Robert Croft photo?

[Tom Graves]

Two seconds is a very long time. With respect to timing, how does the end of the Towner film match up with the Robert Croft photo?

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

She said, "a second or two, if that."

-- Tom

[Charles Collins]

   2 seconds is a very long time. With respect to timing, how does the End of the Towner Film match up with the Robert Croft photo?

According to Dale Myers’ synchronization of the films, the end of the Towner film segment was 10.66 seconds before the head shot at Z313; and the beginning of the Zapruder film was 9.87 seconds before Z313. So less than 1 second (0.79 second) elapsed between the two films.

The Robert Croft photo was taken at about Z161. And according to Myers, Z160 is 8.36 seconds before Z313. Subtract 0.05 seconds for one frame to equate the time to get to Z161 and we have 8.31 seconds before Z313. Subtract 8.31 from 10.66 equals 2.35 seconds elapsed time between the end of the Towner film segment and Croft’s photo (if I did all of that correctly).

[Royell Storing]

According to Dale Myers’ synchronization of the films, the end of the Towner film segment was 10.66 seconds before the head shot at Z313; and the beginning of the Zapruder film was 9.87 seconds before Z313. So less than 1 second (0.79 second) elapsed between the two films.

The Robert Croft photo was taken at about Z161. And according to Myers, Z160 is 8.36 seconds before Z313. Subtract 0.05 seconds for one frame to equate the time to get to Z161 and we have 8.31 seconds before Z313. Subtract 8.31 from 10.66 equals 2.35 seconds elapsed time between the end of the Towner film segment and Croft’s photo (if I did all of that correctly).

    Roughly 2.3 seconds between the end of the Towner Film and the Croft Photo? I have a problem with that extended time spacing. The Croft Photo shows almost the end of the short wall that those people were sitting on. A sidewalk runs down the other side of that wall. That sidewalk ends at the Tall Stone Monument. This tall stone monument is close to the RL Thornton sign. The Tall Stone Monument and the RL Thornton Sign are landmarks/bookends to keep in mind. The Towner Film shows the JFK Limo passing by the stone monument. The stone monument is then completely out of the Towner film. The JFK Theorist has posted 3 different versions of the Towner Film on YOU TUBE. The 3rd version is the Sixth Floor Museum copy with between the sprocket holes. I recommend examining that copy of Towner Film. A shot was allegedly fired at about the point where the JFK Limo passes by the Thornton sign. This is also the point where the Willis girl pulls up/stops running. I believe 2.3 seconds between the Towner/Croft images is way too long. Originally, the elapsed time for ALL 3 shots was 6 seconds. Now we have 2 images showing the JFK Limo reaching the Thornton sign with an alleged time gap between the 2 images being 2.3 seconds? Really? If this extended 2.3 second time gap is accurate, we once again have JFK Assassination Images in conflict. What new?