Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

Storing,

Are you referring to the clips filmed by John Martin and Robert Hughes which show Lovelady smoking on the steps about 30 minutes after the last shot, and the film (by Tom Alyea?) showing him sitting in the Homicide and Burglary office as he's watching them bring Oswald in?

-- Tom

   I just checked and these Color film images showing Lovelady are Not from the Martin Film. This footage is shot from further away from the TSBD. There are no regular citizens standing on the TSBD Landing. Just law enforcement up there. The Martin Film has regular people standing up there with Lovelady standing below them. This is not Martin Film footage.

[Tom Graves]

I just checked and these Color film images showing Lovelady are not from the Martin Film. This footage is shot from further away from the TSBD. There are no regular citizens standing on the TSBD Landing. Just law enforcement up there. The Martin Film has regular people standing up there with Lovelady standing below them. This is not Martin Film footage.

Where can I see the image or images you're referring to?

[Dan O'meara]

   Yes, I can see the images you are posting. Those images are Couch/Darnell.  They do not show Lovelady standing on the side of the TSBD steps that are below the sniper's window.

This is a still from the Darnell footage taken around 25 - 30 seconds after the head shot.
What is your guess at the man I have identified as Lovelady.
Tom has bailed out on this identification because he knows it can only be Lovelady but has put all his eggs into the Kamp basket.
In this image we see Baker just about to reach the area near the bottom of the front steps.



As for the colour image you are referring to, is it something like this:

[Royell Storing]

Where can I see the image or images you're referring to?

   Those Color Film images of Lovelady on the (R) of the TSBD front steps are on "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. It is also posted on YOU TUBE as, " Unsolved History: Death in Dealey Plaza Discovery Channel 2/26/2003" by Vince Palamara. Go To - 5:50 - 5:56. The balding guy on the lower (R) side of the steps is Lovelady. Gary Mack hosts this presentation and I think he provided most of these images from the Sixth Floor Museum, so they are very detailed. On the DVD the images are much sharper than this YOU TUBE posting. On the DVD you can see the brownish/red color of Lovelady's shirt. There's no question we are seeing Lovelady here. I highly recommend viewing this entire DVD. There's a ton of JFK Assassination images on it. So many are flying by that sometimes you need to frame-by-frame them.  Again, do you know how long after the Kill Shot that these images of Lovelady on the (R) side of the TSBD Steps were filmed? 

[Dan O'meara]

   Those Color Film images of Lovelady on the (R) of the TSBD front steps are on "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. It is also posted on YOU TUBE as, " Unsolved History: Death in Dealey Plaza Discovery Channel 2/26/2003" by Vince Palamara. Go To - 5:50 - 5:56. The balding guy on the lower (R) side of the steps is Lovelady. Gary Mack hosts this presentation and I think he provided most of these images from the Sixth Floor Museum, so they are very detailed. On the DVD the images are much sharper than this YOU TUBE posting. On the DVD you can see the brownish/red color of Lovelady's shirt. There's no question we are seeing Lovelady here. I highly recommend viewing this entire DVD. There's a ton of JFK Assassination images on it. So many are flying by that sometimes you need to frame-by-frame them.  Again, do you know how long after the Kill Shot that these images of Lovelady on the (R) side of the TSBD Steps were filmed?

It's the Hughes film.
The image I posted in my last Reply is from that.
I believe part of it shows either Hank Norman or Junior Jarman being ushered back into the building. After coming down from the 5th floor, they ran outside but were stopped, briefly grilled by an officer then told to get back inside. It must be about 10 to 15 minutes after the assassination.

[Tom Graves]

After coming down from the 5th floor, Hank Norman and/or Junior Jarman ran outside but were stopped, briefly grilled by an officer then told to get back inside.

FWIW, that's Bonnie Ray Williams on a lower step, wearing what looks to be a dark-brown shirt and tan pants.

He, Danny Arce, and Shelley were taken to the DPD Station around 1:30 to make affidavits.

 

[Lance Payette]

FWIW, Pat Speer, who is both a meticulous researcher and a staunch CTer, absolutely beats to death the issues being discussed on this thread (whatever the hell they are) at his Chapter 4, https://www.patspeer.com/chapter4-pinning-the-tale-on-the-oswald. Once you reach the discussion of Shelley-Lovelady-Calvary-Adams-Baker-Truly, it goes on and on and on.

Pat accepts the reality of Shelley and Lovelady in the Couch film as determined by Dunckel and Kamp and acknowledges both of them (including the Kamp enhancement that Dan thinks was faked).

Pat has his own timeline as to what occurred. One point he emphasizes is something that had also occurred to me because I have very dramatically experienced it myself – i.e., the phenomenon of time dilation in extraordinary events, where something that couldn’t physically have taken more than 10 seconds seems like minutes.

In any event, Pat seems to arrive at a CT position without the claims of fakery, lying and witness intimidation being suggested by Dan. I would guess that Pat’s analysis is much closer to being correct, although he gives Adams more credence than I would and doesn’t seem aware that she later claimed the references to Shelley and Lovelady had been falsely inserted into her WC testimony (which seemingly makes no sense in any CT context).

I might also add: The “Shelley” labeled in red in the one photo posted early in this thread is absolutely not Shelley. Prayer Man enthusiast Andrej Stancak has impressively analyzed every film and photo showing the TSBD steps, and he clearly and convincingly identifies Shelley on the top step (landing) as Calvary is going up. https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2018/01/. His reconstruction appears below (Shelley in coat and tie behind guy with arm raised).

I am chiming in only because (1) Pat Speer’s work makes clear that a far better CT-oriented researcher than Dan can reach very different (and far more plausible) conclusions, and (2) Pat has the following images and diagram that make very clear where Shelley and Lovelady reentered. It is the little open door just to the left of the overhang where cars were parked. In the final diagram, the blue line is the route of Shelley and Lovelady, the green line is Adams and Styles, the red star is where Adams supposedly encountered them, and the yellow star is the phone that Pat Speer thinks Shelley may have used.