Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Tom Graves]

What was the question?

I was laughing so hard I missed the question.

Poor widdle danny o'meara missed the question because he was looking at himself in the mirror.

Here it is again, for you, poor widdle danny boy o'meara:

How did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds that it took Gloria Calvery to arrive at the steps with 3-4 minutes?

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three or four minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and that they had taken off for the railway yard from there.

[Tom Graves]

Let's just say that the only statements placing Shelley and Lovelady on the front steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot are made by Shelley and Lovelady.

Correct.

Let's also say that your desperate attempt to have Lovelady meet Gloria after leaving the steps is your own invention based on nothing whatsoever other than the recognition that your identification of Lovelady on the Elm Street Extension fails without this falsehood.

Is English your second language?

[Dan O'meara]

Poor widdle danny o'meara missed the question because he was looking at himself in the mirror.

Here it is again, for you, poor widdle danny boy o'meara:

How did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds that it took Gloria Calvery to arrive at the steps with 3-4 minutes?

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three or four minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and that they had taken off for the railway yard from there.

How did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds that it took Gloria Calvery to arrive at the steps with 3-4 minutes?

It's been explained to you time and time again.
Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. They were never on the steps for 3 minutes after the shooting - that's a lie, thomas.
They never left the steps and went to the little, old island together - that's a lie, thomas.
They never stayed on the little, old island for at least a minute - that's a lie, thomas.
They never wandered along the Elm St Ext together - that's a lie, thomas.
They never hung around the railroad yard - that's a lie, thomas.
They never re-entered through the west door - that's a lie, thomas.

In Darnell we see the moment Gloria interacted with Lovelady on the steps. Immediately after this both men made their way to the back of the first floor, near the elevators, where they were seen by Vicki Adams and Marrion Baker.

And, because you haven't thought it through, the piss-weak scenario you are trying to maintain is even weaker than you realise.
By 25 seconds in Darnell your 'Shelley'and 'Lovelady' are already walking down the street.
That means they've already had their interaction with Gloria.
So, according to you, it would have taken Gloria around 15 seconds to make it to the steps, 5 seconds for her to tell her story and 5 seconds for your heroes to be waddling along the extension.
And it gets even weaker if we accept that Gloria had an interaction with Joe Smith before getting to the steps!

That's why you've had to invent the horsesh*t about Lovelady meeting Gloria at the little, old island and even that doesn't work.
Why don't you just give it a rest, thomas?

[Tom Graves]

Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. They were never on the steps for 3 minutes after the shooting - that's a lie.

They never left the steps and went to the little, old island together - that's a lie.

They never stayed on the little, old island for at least a minute - that's a lie.

They never wandered [sic] down Elm Street Extension together - that's a lie.

They never hung around the railroad yard - that's a lie.

They never re-entered through the west door - that's a lie.

Why did they lie?

To cover for the "Sham WC"?

In Darnell, we see the moment Gloria interacted with Lovelady on the steps [sic]. Immediately after this, both men made their way to the back of the first floor, near the elevators, where they were seen by Vicki Adams and Marrion Baker.

No comment.

By 25 seconds in Darnell, your "Shelley" and "Lovelady' are already walking down the street.

In his HSCA interview, Lovelady said they ran down Elm Street Extension.

If not slender, suit-wearing Shelley and distinctive-shirt-wearing and bald-spot-spotting Lovelady, who is it?

According to you, it would have taken Gloria around 15 seconds to make it to the steps, 5 seconds for her to tell her story, and 5 seconds for your heroes to be waddling [sic] along the Extension.

Mark Tyler has her arriving at the "island" in 15 seconds, but it may have been sooner than that seeing as how she was standing only about 80 feet away from it during the motorcade.

[Tom Graves]

Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.

This man is Billy Lovelady.




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The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.
At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

Dear Danny Boy O'meara,

It seems as though your "Shelley" has a receding hairline like Ochus V. Campbell's.

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http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/ochus-virgil-campbell/

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dealing with Tom has reminded me of how the lies of Lovelady evolved.

In his affidavit, given a couple of hours after the assassination, he states that he was on the steps at the time of the shots after which he re-entered the building. He didn't move from the steps, no mention of moving along the Elm St Ext, the little, old island, the railroad yard or the west door.

Later that same day he was interviewed by the FBI (this seems unusual as I can't recall any other employee of the TSBD being interviewed by the FBI on the day, but it must have happened. Lovelady cannot have been the only one). This is from that interview:
"He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelley started running towards the Presidential car but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass. He and Shelley then returned to the Texas School Book Depository."
No mention of the little, old island or the railroad yard. Instead, both men immediately race toward to limo in time to see it speed away.

On March 19th '64 Lovelady gave his CE1381 statement to the FBI. In it he repeats the nonsense about racing toward the area where the limo had "stopped" (presumably before it sped away):
"I recall that following the shooting, I ran towards the spot where President Kennedy's car had stopped. William Shelley and myself stayed in that area for approximately five minutes when we then re-entered the Depository building by the side door located on the west side of the building."
So, Lovelady isn't talking about making his way along the extension to the railroad yard. This early version of the lie has Lovelady and Shelley racing to the spot where the limo stopped and staying in that area for around 5 minutes.

On April 7th '64 Lovelady gave his WC testimony. Finally, he and Shelley have coordinated their stories - on the steps (for 3 minutes), Gloria, little old island (for an undisclosed amount of time), along the Elm Street extension, hanging around the railroad yard (a minute or so) entering through the west door.

In Lovelady's final version of events, given during an interview for the HSCA, he states that he didn't enter the TSBD building for around 20 minutes.

So, which version do we accept?
They can't all be true.
Considering we have an excellent witness in Vicki Adams, why not pick the version that allows him to be somewhere in the vicinity of the elevators approximately 60 seconds after the shooting.
That would be his very first statement on the matter, his same-day affidavit, in which he never left the steps before re-entering the building.

[Tom Graves]

Dealing with Tom has reminded me of how the lies of Lovelady evolved.

In his affidavit, given a couple of hours after the assassination, he states that he was on the steps at the time of the shots after which he re-entered the building. He didn't move from the steps, no mention of moving along the Elm St Ext, the little, old island, the railroad yard or the west door.

Later that same day he was interviewed by the FBI (this seems unusual as I can't recall any other employee of the TSBD being interviewed by the FBI on the day, but it must have happened. Lovelady cannot have been the only one). This is from that interview:
"He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelley started running towards the Presidential car but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass. He and Shelley then returned to the Texas School Book Depository."
No mention of the little, old island or the railroad yard. Instead, both men immediately race toward to limo in time to see it speed away.

On March 19th '64 Lovelady gave his CE1381 statement to the FBI. In it he repeats the nonsense about racing toward the area where the limo had "stopped" (presumably before it sped away):
"I recall that following the shooting, I ran towards the spot where President Kennedy's car had stopped. William Shelley and myself stayed in that area for approximately five minutes when we then re-entered the Depository building by the side door located on the west side of the building."
So, Lovelady isn't talking about making his way along the extension to the railroad yard. This early version of the lie has Lovelady and Shelley racing to the spot where the limo stopped and staying in that area for around 5 minutes.

On April 7th '64 Lovelady gave his WC testimony. Finally, he and Shelley have coordinated their stories - on the steps (for 3 minutes), Gloria, little old island (for an undisclosed amount of time), along the Elm Street extension, hanging around the railroad yard (a minute or so) entering through the west door.

In Lovelady's final version of events, given during an interview for the HSCA, he states that he didn't enter the TSBD building for around 20 minutes.

So, which version do we accept?
They can't all be true.
Considering we have an excellent witness in Vicki Adams, why not pick the version that allows him to be somewhere in the vicinity of the elevators approximately 60 seconds after the shooting.
That would be his very first statement on the matter, his same-day affidavit, in which he never left the steps before re-entering the building.

Dear Danny Boy O'meara,

Do you still think that's William Shelley ushering Baker up the front steps in Couch-Darnell?

-- Tom