Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear dan o'meara,

Did anyone other than Shelley and Lovelady place Shelley and Lovelady there 25 seconds after the final shot?

-- Tom

No

No affidavits, official statements, or witness testimonies explicitly place Billy Lovelady and William Shelley on or very near the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot

This statement isn't true, is it Thomas?

[Tom Graves]

No

No affidavits, official statements, or witness testimonies explicitly place Billy Lovelady and William Shelley on or very near the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot

This statement isn't true, is it Thomas?

Dear dan o'meara,

No affidavits, official statements, or witness testimonies (except those by unreliable Billy Lovelady and William Shelley which kinda do) explicitly place Billy Lovelady and William Shelley on or very near the Texas School Book Depository steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot.

-- Tom

[Tom Graves]

Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.

This man is Billy Lovelady. [LOL! --T.G.]

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Did anyone other than Shelley and Lovelady place Shelley and Lovelady on the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot?

Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?

Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately three minutes, I would say.

Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, it's---I say approximately; I can't say because I don't have a watch; it could.

Mr. BALL - Had people started to run?

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps.

Mr. BALL - Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

. . . . . . .

Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?

Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be three or four minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.

Mr. BALL - She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?

Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Going to watch the rest of the parade were you? [LOL!]

Mr. Shelley. Yes.

. . . . . . . .


Why did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds with three minutes?

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and had taken off for the railway yard from there.

PS Your "Shelley" is probably Truly's motorcade-viewing sidekick, Ochus V. Campbell.


-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear dan o'meara,

No affidavits, official statements, or witness testimonies (except those by unreliable Billy Lovelady and William Shelley which kinda do) explicitly place Billy Lovelady and William Shelley on or very near the Texas School Book Depository steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot.

-- Tom

Let's just say that the only statements placing Shelley and Lovelady on the front steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot are made by Shelley and Lovelady.
Let's also say that your desperate attempt to have Lovelady meet Gloria after leaving the steps is your own invention based on nothing whatsoever other than the recognition that your identification of Lovelady on the Elm St Ext fails without this falsehood.
Not a fantastic way to conduct research.

[Dan O'meara]

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Did anyone other than Shelley and Lovelady place Shelley and Lovelady on the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot?

Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?

Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately three minutes, I would say.

Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, it's---I say approximately; I can't say because I don't have a watch; it could.

Mr. BALL - Had people started to run?

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps.

Mr. BALL - Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

. . . . . . .

Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?

Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be three or four minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.

Mr. BALL - She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?

Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Going to watch the rest of the parade were you? [LOL!]

Mr. Shelley. Yes.

. . . . . . . .


Why did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds with three minutes?

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and had taken off for the railway yard from there.

PS Your "Shelley" is probably Truly's motorcade-viewing sidekick, Ochus V. Campbell.


-- Tom

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and had taken off for the railway yard from there.


 
Have you forgotten to take your meds?
Honestly, thomas, who do you think you're convincing with this nonsense?
Can't you see what a fool you are making of yourself?
Please stop.

[Tom Graves]

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and had taken off for the railway yard from there.


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Unfortunately, gas-lighter supreme, Danny Boy O'meara, has no answer.

[Dan O'meara]

Unfortunately, gas-lighter supreme, Danny Boy O'meara, has no answer.

 
I've got no answer??
What was the question?
I was laughing so hard I missed the question.

[Tom Graves]

What was the question?

I was laughing so hard I missed the question.

Poor widdle danny o'meara missed the question because he was looking at himself in the mirror.

Here it is again, for you, poor widdle danny boy o'meara:

How did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds that it took Gloria Calvery to arrive at the steps with 3-4 minutes?

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three or four minutes to them, it's no wonder they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and that they had taken off for the railway yard from there.