Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #315 on: October 08, 2025, 01:48:08 AM »
There's no reason for Baler to pat Oswald down because Truly vouched for him.
As I say, the important point is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

Question: Why didn't Adams and Styles see Truly, Baker or Oswald on the stairs, and vice versa?

Answer: Oswald, Baker and Truly were in the second-floor lunchroom "vestibule" while Adams and Styles were transiting a corner of the second floor.
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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #316 on: October 08, 2025, 02:09:35 AM »
There's no reason for Baler to pat Oswald down because Truly vouched for him.
As I say, the important point is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

   Well, if you believe that Oswald fired the shots, then it's obvious that Truly vouching that Oswald worked there meant nothing. Which it always does if you're a cop responding to "Shots Fired". A Cop confronts/clears every stranger he encounters in a situation such as this.  You notice that Baker had his gun drawn from the time he mounted the stairwell and that was with Truly in front of him. Baker did not know Truly from Adam and having his gun drawn on him from behind demonstrates this.
   Those 2 guys near the elevator are an issue, but there is more. A Lot More   .........................  STAY TUNED   -----------------------
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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #317 on: October 08, 2025, 02:13:33 AM »
Well, if you believe that Oswald fired the shots, then it's obvious that Truly vouching that Oswald worked there meant nothing. Which it always does if you're a cop responding to "shots fired". A Cop confronts/clears every stranger he encounters in a situation such as this.  You notice that Baker had his gun drawn from the time he mounted the stairwell and that was with Truly in front of him.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #318 on: October 08, 2025, 08:45:24 AM »
Question: Why didn't Adams and Styles see Truly, Baker or Oswald on the stairs, and vice versa?

Answer: Oswald, Baker and Truly were in the second-floor lunchroom "vestibule" while Adams and Styles were transiting a corner of the second floor.

Perhaps.
I'm thinking Adams and Styles were out the loading dock door before Truly and Baker arrived at the elevators,
I doubt the noise of the two women clattering along the wooden floor would not have gone unnoticed by someone in the "vestibule" but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2025, 09:00:06 AM »
   Well, if you believe that Oswald fired the shots, then it's obvious that Truly vouching that Oswald worked there meant nothing. Which it always does if you're a cop responding to "Shots Fired". A Cop confronts/clears every stranger he encounters in a situation such as this.  You notice that Baker had his gun drawn from the time he mounted the stairwell and that was with Truly in front of him. Baker did not know Truly from Adam and having his gun drawn on him from behind demonstrates this.
   Those 2 guys near the elevator are an issue, but there is more. A Lot More   .........................  STAY TUNED   -----------------------

You're going round in circles, Royell.
Baker didn't "clear" Truly.
Or any of the people in the lobby.
Or Dorothy Garner and her colleagues on the fourth floor.
And your notion, that Baker pulled his gun on Truly as they were climbing the stairs, is insane.
You really must think things through before posting.

What's important is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #320 on: October 08, 2025, 09:18:23 AM »
Perhaps.
I'm thinking Adams and Styles were out the loading dock door before Truly and Baker arrived at the elevators,
I doubt the noise of the two women clattering along the wooden floor would not have gone unnoticed by someone in the "vestibule" but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

If 1) Baker arrived at the front door about 30 seconds after the final shot (per Couch-Darnell), and 2) Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor, and 3) Adams and Styles exited through the loading dock door before Baker and Truly arrived at the elevators and saw Shelley and Lovelady nearby, 4) since Baker/Truly and Adams/Styles didn't see each other or Oswald on the stairs, how does Baker's and Adams' spotting Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor prove Oswald wasn't on the sixth floor during the shooting?

By the same token, if 1) Baker (with Truly) saw Shelley and Lovelady near the elevators about a minute after the final shot, and 2) Adams and Styles started down about a minute after the final shot and traversed a corner of the second floor while Baker, Truly, and Oswald were in the lunchroom's "vestibule," and 3) Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor when they got there, how would it prove that Oswald wasn't on the sixth floor during the shooting?
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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #321 on: October 08, 2025, 06:45:46 PM »
If 1) Baker arrived at the front door about 30 seconds after the final shot (per Couch-Darnell), and 2) Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor, and 3) Adams and Styles exited through the loading dock door before Baker and Truly arrived at the elevators and saw Shelley and Lovelady nearby, 4) since Baker/Truly and Adams/Styles didn't see each other or Oswald on the stairs, how does Baker's and Adams' spotting Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor prove Oswald wasn't on the sixth floor during the shooting?

By the same token, if 1) Baker (with Truly) saw Shelley and Lovelady near the elevators about a minute after the final shot, and 2) Adams and Styles started down about a minute after the final shot and traversed a corner of the second floor while Baker, Truly, and Oswald were in the lunchroom's "vestibule," and 3) Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor when they got there, how would it prove that Oswald wasn't on the sixth floor during the shooting?

There's no proof Oswald was or wasn't on the 6th floor for the shooting.
If there was this discussion wouldn't be happening.