Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #312 on: October 06, 2025, 01:20:25 AM »
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  So Officer Baker thinks there is an active shooter inside the TSBD and he encounters 2 men near the elevator/1st floor exit and he does not confront them? That is strange. Extremely strange.

There were people in the lobby when he entered the building but he didn't question them.
There were people on the fourth floor but he didn't question them.
Two unarmed men on the first floor are not going to raise any suspicions.
Maybe it was at this time that Truly told Shelley to guard the elevators, showing Baker that the two white men worked there. Maybe.
What can't be disputed is that Baker reports seeing two white men in this area seconds after the shooting, and Vicki Adams reports Shelley and Lovelady also being in that same area seconds after the shooting.
Go figure.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #313 on: October 07, 2025, 02:50:14 PM »
There were people in the lobby when he entered the building but he didn't question them.
There were people on the fourth floor but he didn't question them.
Two unarmed men on the first floor are not going to raise any suspicions.
Maybe it was at this time that Truly told Shelley to guard the elevators, showing Baker that the two white men worked there. Maybe.
What can't be disputed is that Baker reports seeing two white men in this area seconds after the shooting, and Vicki Adams reports Shelley and Lovelady also being in that same area seconds after the shooting.
Go figure.

   If you look at Officer Baker's WC Testimony, he was Not Sure that shots had been fired from the TSBD. He also thought the Dal Tek building was the source of the shots. That said, Baker does admit to having his gun drawn when going up the stairwell behind Truly and still having that gun drawn when confronting Oswald inside the 2nd floor lunchroom. Yet, he does not "pat" Oswald down or anyone else inside the TSBD for that matter. For a 7-8 year DPD vet, Baker's actions during his time approaching the TSBD on his motorcycle and once inside the TSBD on 11/22/63 as he describes them are totally inconsistent. 
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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #314 on: October 08, 2025, 01:27:56 AM »
   If you look at Officer Baker's WC Testimony, he was Not Sure that shots had been fired from the TSBD. He also thought the Dal Tek building was the source of the shots. That said, Baker does admit to having his gun drawn when going up the stairwell behind Truly and still having that gun drawn when confronting Oswald inside the 2nd floor lunchroom. Yet, he does not "pat" Oswald down or anyone else inside the TSBD for that matter. For a 7-8 year DPD vet, Baker's actions during his time approaching the TSBD on his motorcycle and once inside the TSBD on 11/22/63 as he describes them are totally inconsistent.

There's no reason for Baler to pat Oswald down because Truly vouched for him.
As I say, the important point is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #315 on: October 08, 2025, 01:48:08 AM »
There's no reason for Baler to pat Oswald down because Truly vouched for him.
As I say, the important point is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

Question: Why didn't Adams and Styles see Truly, Baker or Oswald on the stairs, and vice versa?

Answer: Oswald, Baker and Truly were in the second-floor lunchroom "vestibule" while Adams and Styles were transiting a corner of the second floor.
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« Reply #316 on: October 08, 2025, 02:09:35 AM »
There's no reason for Baler to pat Oswald down because Truly vouched for him.
As I say, the important point is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

   Well, if you believe that Oswald fired the shots, then it's obvious that Truly vouching that Oswald worked there meant nothing. Which it always does if you're a cop responding to "Shots Fired". A Cop confronts/clears every stranger he encounters in a situation such as this.  You notice that Baker had his gun drawn from the time he mounted the stairwell and that was with Truly in front of him. Baker did not know Truly from Adam and having his gun drawn on him from behind demonstrates this.
   Those 2 guys near the elevator are an issue, but there is more. A Lot More   .........................  STAY TUNED   -----------------------
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« Reply #317 on: October 08, 2025, 02:13:33 AM »
Well, if you believe that Oswald fired the shots, then it's obvious that Truly vouching that Oswald worked there meant nothing. Which it always does if you're a cop responding to "shots fired". A Cop confronts/clears every stranger he encounters in a situation such as this.  You notice that Baker had his gun drawn from the time he mounted the stairwell and that was with Truly in front of him.

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« Reply #318 on: October 08, 2025, 08:45:24 AM »
Question: Why didn't Adams and Styles see Truly, Baker or Oswald on the stairs, and vice versa?

Answer: Oswald, Baker and Truly were in the second-floor lunchroom "vestibule" while Adams and Styles were transiting a corner of the second floor.

Perhaps.
I'm thinking Adams and Styles were out the loading dock door before Truly and Baker arrived at the elevators,
I doubt the noise of the two women clattering along the wooden floor would not have gone unnoticed by someone in the "vestibule" but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2025, 09:00:06 AM »
   Well, if you believe that Oswald fired the shots, then it's obvious that Truly vouching that Oswald worked there meant nothing. Which it always does if you're a cop responding to "Shots Fired". A Cop confronts/clears every stranger he encounters in a situation such as this.  You notice that Baker had his gun drawn from the time he mounted the stairwell and that was with Truly in front of him. Baker did not know Truly from Adam and having his gun drawn on him from behind demonstrates this.
   Those 2 guys near the elevator are an issue, but there is more. A Lot More   .........................  STAY TUNED   -----------------------

You're going round in circles, Royell.
Baker didn't "clear" Truly.
Or any of the people in the lobby.
Or Dorothy Garner and her colleagues on the fourth floor.
And your notion, that Baker pulled his gun on Truly as they were climbing the stairs, is insane.
You really must think things through before posting.

What's important is that around 50 - 70 seconds after the assassination both Baker and Adams report two white men in the vicinity of the elevators.
These two white men are Shelley and Lovelady.

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« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2025, 09:00:06 AM »