Ruth Paine Has Passed Away

[Bill Binnie]

That is a very willful distortion of the truth- Gosh

[Lance Payette]

My impression of Ms. Paine is a very poor one- It is strange but not surprising to see how benignly she is treated in the general media- I would like to know if she was ever asked how She and Marina got the rifle back from New Orleans in her car but neither of them never noticed it? And Yes, she can pretend that she didnt say to the Police at her door step on the afternoon of 11.22.63 that she was expecting them but all of the responding officers know she said it .... Amazing that every critical piece of evidence of a lone nut assassin touched Ruths hands-

Which Sock Puppet are you? Isn't it just a bit odd that several characters are suddenly appearing with a level of hostility seemingly out of proportion for a newbie? You may want to rethink your avatar, or people will confuse you with Dan O'Meara - never a good thing. And don't choose a laughing cat, Binnie, or I'll claw your eyes out.

Michael Paine stumbled over the rifle and handled the bundle while thinking it was camping equipment, so why is it suspicious that Ruth and Marina didn't recognize what it was? Marina obviously knew it contained a rifle before she took the officers out to the garage. OK, Ruth did or didn't tell the officers she was expecting them: how is that suspicious; if she were a conspirator, wouldn't she logically have acted astonished to see them? I really don't understand what you are finding suspicious here.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

My impression of Ms. Paine is a very poor one- It is strange but not surprising to see how benignly she is treated in the general media- I would like to know if she was ever asked how She and Marina got the rifle back from New Orleans in her car but neither of them never noticed it? And Yes, she can pretend that she didnt say to the Police at her door step on the afternoon of 11.22.63 that she was expecting them but all of the responding officers know she said it .... Amazing that every critical piece of evidence of a lone nut assassin touched Ruths hands-

Okay, Mr. "Bill Binnie" (you conspiracy folks never stop): According to Ruth Paine and Marina it was Oswald himself who loaded the car for the trip to Ft. Worth. Ruth Paine had nothing to do with the rifle. She didn't, as you claim "touch it" (figuratively or literally).

Once back home, Michael Paine said he unloaded a blanket (rifle) he thought possibly held camping equipment into the garage. Ruth Paine had nothing to do with it.

Marina said she saw the blanket in the garage and moved it and noticed the rifle stock.

Shorter: None of the evidence of/for the rifle "touched Ruths hands." In fact, she testified that she knew nothing about it at all. If she was framing Oswald then why wouldn't she say she saw it? You have her "touching" the rifle but repeatedly saying she knew nothing about one.

Does that make sense? She's framing Oswald with a rifle but then never says anything about seeing that rifle? The one she's framing him with?

Question for you: Do you think this person below is a normal, well-adjusted man?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Which Sock Puppet are you? Isn't just a bit odd that several characters are suddenly appearing with a level of hostility seemingly out of proportion for a newbie? You may want to rethink your avatar, or people will confuse you with Dan O'Meara - never a good thing. And don't choose a laughing cat, Binnie, or I'll claw your eyes out.

Michael Paine stumbled over the rifle and handled the bundle while thinking it was camping equipment, so why is it suspicious that Ruth and Marina didn't recognize what it was? Marina obviously knew it contained a rifle before she took the officers out to the garage. OK, Ruth did or didn't tell the officers she was expecting them: how is that suspicious; if she were a conspirator, wouldn't she logically have acted astonished to see them? I really don't understand what you are finding suspicious here.

Oswald loaded the car. Michael unloaded it. Marina said she saw the rifle (stock) in the garage. Ruth had nothing to do with the rifle.

If she's framing Oswald she would say she saw the rifle. She would say she saw him carrying a large package to work that November day. She would have said he expressed hatred towards JFK. That he was increasingly erratic and unstable. There's a not small list of things she could have said that would have implicated him. He's dead. He can't deny it.

But not only did she not say them she essentially said the opposite. No rifle, no anger, no hatred of JFK, no instability. So she framed Oswald with the rifle but then said she never saw or knew anything about a rifle. As Garrison explained to his fellow conspiracists, you must think up is down and down is up.

As to these sock puppet names: The conspiracy crowd has some good, decent people. And some very, very weird ones too.

[Lance Payette]

Max Good, the maker of "The Assassination and Mrs. Paine," posted a lukewarm statement about the passing of Ruth that concluded with:

I had a lot of respect for Ruth’s strength of character and her willingness to speak to people with different perspectives on the assassination. As I’ve said elsewhere, I sometimes suspected that she secretly wanted the truth to come out, but she was under such a burden that she couldn’t say anything too revealing.

As fate would have it, I read this morning a blog about conspiracy thinking at the website of the American Philosophical Association. The above quote from Max Good illustrates one of the points the author made. Conspiracy theories by their very nature are completely unfalsifiable because the goalposts just keep moving. Evidence contradicts the theory - voila, it was faked or planted. Testimony is contrary to the theory - voila, the conspirators got to the witness; it just shows how clever they were. The Klein's money order was found at the federal records center where processed money orders were stored (thank you, Lance) - voila, it was obviously planted there (thank you, Sandy Larsen). The goal posts just keep moving until you have so many conspirators, so much faked, planted and altered evidence, and so many convoluted twists and turns that the conspirators would have to have been Satan and his demons.

Ruth never wavered throughout 92 years of living. Nevertheless, now that she's gone we tell ourselves that she "secretly wanted to tell the truth" but was "under such a burden" that she "couldn't say anything too revealing." Voila, now she still fits right into our conspiracy theory, no problem.

What "truth"? What "burden"? At 80, 85, 90, 92? How about: She did tell the truth and was under no burden at all? Isn't that more plausible?

[Bill Binnie]

Hostility ? You lone nutters are amusing - Like watching a poor drunk stumbling down a street - Lets get back to debate 101 like they taught in school and not float silly and ancillary information-  Bottom Line is that a Lone Nutter needs to believe that the only way there is a crappy old carcano rifle in the Paine garage on November 21 is because Ruth and Marina drove home with it, took it out of the station wagon in Dallas and placed the bundle on the garage floor without a seconds thought of what it contained so they might know where and how it should be stored- After you are done here, tell me why Ruth told the the team of Officers at her door on the afternoon of 11.22.63 why she was expecting them- I am ready to be further amused Mr. Nutter- 

[Tim Nickerson]

Hostility ? You lone nutters are amusing - Like watching a poor drunk stumbling down a street - Lets get back to debate 101 like they taught in school and not float silly and ancillary information-  Bottom Line is that a Lone Nutter needs to believe that the only way there is a crappy old carcano rifle in the Paine garage on November 21 is because Ruth and Marina drove home with it, took it out of the station wagon in Dallas and placed the bundle on the garage floor without a seconds thought of what it contained so they might know where and how it should be stored- After you are done here, tell me why Ruth told the the team of Officers at her door on the afternoon of 11.22.63 why she was expecting them- I am ready to be further amused Mr. Nutter-

I personally don't need to believe that Oswald's Carcano was in the Paine garage on November 21. However, I have no doubt that it was. Why do you doubt that it was? Come up with a reasonable explanation for when and how Oswald got his rifle into the TSBD. Where did he keep it stored? When did he bring it into the TSBD?

[Bill Binnie]

I assume you know all about the multiple versions ( a,b,c ,d, et al)  of this photo and the very curcuitous paths they each travelled? Did you ever wonder why the clothes the man is wearing in these photos were not among Oswalds belongings? Oswald was not a slave to fashion and these duds must have cost the perpetually broke Oswald dearly- Marina said he did not have clothes like the man in the picture- Weird, dont ya think? You lone nutters will have to work overtime on the disinformation for this one-