Ruth Paine Has Passed Away

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Have any of the CTers added Ruth Paine to their list of "mysterious deaths"?  It took a long while, but the death squad apparently got to her before she could talk.   She was next on the list after Clint Hill.

She goes to Central America in the 1980s to protest US policies in the region. She's very critical of the CIA and support for the Contras; she works with her church group to aid the campesinos in Nicaragua; she withholds some of her "war" taxes in protest to those policies.

This (and much more) shows she is not someone who would conspire with essentially fascists in a coup of JFK.

What's the conspiracy response? That is, those conspiracists who think she helped frame Oswald? Well, she was still undercover, she was pretending to hold anti-CIA views and besides she went there to spy for "Langley." She was still an active CIA asset. So in conspiracy world the evidence that she was a liberal/leftist and not someone who would join up with neo-fascists/militarists is evidence that she actually wasn't a liberal/leftist and would join up with them. Up is down and down is up.

To put it differently: We have a film of the assassination, an autopsy was performed, there are photos and x-rays, the Connallys said they were hit with blood and brain matter from the shot (how could a back of the head blowout cause that?) and STILL they insist the wound was in the rear of JFK's head not the top/side. We are supposed to ignore this physical evidence? Yes, because evidence that it was on the top/side of the head - and not another shooter - is evidence that it was in the back and that there was another shooter.

It's hopeless trying to reason with this mindset.

[Bill Binnie]

My impression of Ms. Paine is a very poor one- It is strange but not surprising to see how benignly she is treated in the general media- I would like to know if she was ever asked how She and Marina got the rifle back from New Orleans in her car but neither of them never noticed it? And Yes, she can pretend that she didnt say to the Police at her door step on the afternoon of 11.22.63 that she was expecting them but all of the responding officers know she said it .... Amazing that every critical piece of evidence of a lone nut assassin touched Ruths hands-

[Bill Binnie]

I was hoping there would be one brave lone nutter who would take a crack...

[Bill Binnie]

That is a very willful distortion of the truth- Gosh

[Lance Payette]

My impression of Ms. Paine is a very poor one- It is strange but not surprising to see how benignly she is treated in the general media- I would like to know if she was ever asked how She and Marina got the rifle back from New Orleans in her car but neither of them never noticed it? And Yes, she can pretend that she didnt say to the Police at her door step on the afternoon of 11.22.63 that she was expecting them but all of the responding officers know she said it .... Amazing that every critical piece of evidence of a lone nut assassin touched Ruths hands-

Which Sock Puppet are you? Isn't it just a bit odd that several characters are suddenly appearing with a level of hostility seemingly out of proportion for a newbie? You may want to rethink your avatar, or people will confuse you with Dan O'Meara - never a good thing. And don't choose a laughing cat, Binnie, or I'll claw your eyes out.

Michael Paine stumbled over the rifle and handled the bundle while thinking it was camping equipment, so why is it suspicious that Ruth and Marina didn't recognize what it was? Marina obviously knew it contained a rifle before she took the officers out to the garage. OK, Ruth did or didn't tell the officers she was expecting them: how is that suspicious; if she were a conspirator, wouldn't she logically have acted astonished to see them? I really don't understand what you are finding suspicious here.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

My impression of Ms. Paine is a very poor one- It is strange but not surprising to see how benignly she is treated in the general media- I would like to know if she was ever asked how She and Marina got the rifle back from New Orleans in her car but neither of them never noticed it? And Yes, she can pretend that she didnt say to the Police at her door step on the afternoon of 11.22.63 that she was expecting them but all of the responding officers know she said it .... Amazing that every critical piece of evidence of a lone nut assassin touched Ruths hands-

Okay, Mr. "Bill Binnie" (you conspiracy folks never stop): According to Ruth Paine and Marina it was Oswald himself who loaded the car for the trip to Ft. Worth. Ruth Paine had nothing to do with the rifle. She didn't, as you claim "touch it" (figuratively or literally).

Once back home, Michael Paine said he unloaded a blanket (rifle) he thought possibly held camping equipment into the garage. Ruth Paine had nothing to do with it.

Marina said she saw the blanket in the garage and moved it and noticed the rifle stock.

Shorter: None of the evidence of/for the rifle "touched Ruths hands." In fact, she testified that she knew nothing about it at all. If she was framing Oswald then why wouldn't she say she saw it? You have her "touching" the rifle but repeatedly saying she knew nothing about one.

Does that make sense? She's framing Oswald with ownership of the rifle but then never says anything about seeing that rifle? The one she's framing him with? If she's planting the rifle she's going to say she saw him with it. Otherwise it's worthless.

Question for you: Do you think this person below is a normal, well-adjusted man?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Which Sock Puppet are you? Isn't just a bit odd that several characters are suddenly appearing with a level of hostility seemingly out of proportion for a newbie? You may want to rethink your avatar, or people will confuse you with Dan O'Meara - never a good thing. And don't choose a laughing cat, Binnie, or I'll claw your eyes out.

Michael Paine stumbled over the rifle and handled the bundle while thinking it was camping equipment, so why is it suspicious that Ruth and Marina didn't recognize what it was? Marina obviously knew it contained a rifle before she took the officers out to the garage. OK, Ruth did or didn't tell the officers she was expecting them: how is that suspicious; if she were a conspirator, wouldn't she logically have acted astonished to see them? I really don't understand what you are finding suspicious here.

Oswald loaded the car. Michael unloaded it. Marina said she saw the rifle (stock) in the garage. Ruth had nothing to do with the rifle.

If she's framing Oswald she would say she saw the rifle. She would say she saw him carrying a large package to work that November day. She would have said he expressed hatred towards JFK. That he was increasingly erratic and unstable. There's a not small list of things she could have said that would have implicated him. He's dead. He can't deny it.

But not only did she not say them she essentially said the opposite. No rifle, no anger, no hatred of JFK, no instability. So she framed Oswald with the rifle but then said she never saw or knew anything about a rifle. As Garrison explained to his fellow conspiracists, you must think up is down and down is up.

As to these sock puppet names: The conspiracy crowd has some good, decent people. And some very, very weird ones too.