JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth

[Tom Graves]

Tina Towner was 13 yrs old on 11/22/63. And almost 50 yrs later under the encouragement of Max Holland, she's now fixing the position of the JFK Limo based on street signs that were Not inside Dealey Plaza that day? Towner is very confusing and/or confused. And while considering "The Lost Bullet" 11/22/63 eye witnesses, how about Amos Euins? He demonstrated just how closely shots #2 and #3 were fired. POW/POW! There is No Way that bolt action Carcano could come close to matching the Amos Euins shot timing.

Storing,

Do you really think (sic) the moving of the street signs over the years had a bearing on the accuracy of Tina's memory that the limo was nearer the left side of Elm Street than the reenactment driver had it while they were filming "JFK: The Lost Bullet"? What evidence do you have that Max Holland "encouraged" her to say that, anyway? When you watch "JFK: The Lost Bullet," it looks as though she encourages him to believe that.

Euins' mistakenly saying, "POW . . . . POW-POW" is easy to understand given the fact that the first (missing-everything) shot was muffled (because the muzzle of Oswald's short-rifle was completely inside the building), and Dealey Plaza is a veritable echo chamber.

Regardless, do you really think (sic) Euin's was saying the first and second shots were only one or two seconds apart?

LOL!

[Jack Nessan]

Media's influence was the number one contributor to the number of shots reported

 

Were there any witnesses who reported, before they were "contaminated" by the "mistaken" or "evil, evil conspiring" media, that they'd heard three shots? 

You tell me. Three shots were broadcast around the world within 3 to 4 minutes of the assassination by Walter Cronkite. Two shots were reported by Don Pardo within 10 minutes after the assassination but largely ignored.

 


The HSCA's sound analysis study was found to be based on the false premise that the stuck-open microphone was in the motorcade. It wasn't.

 
No it wasn’t.

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Agree with it all except a first missed shot. Eyewitness statements all state JFK reacted to the first shot with the exception of Mary Woodward who places the first shot after Z207. 

Forensic analysis and Josiah Thompson’s observation of the shells discovered in the SN indicate only two were fired in the rifle. The third was used as a snap cap for practicing finger control. As explained by Major Anderson, LHO would have been taught this method and trained to practice in this manner as part of his Marine Corp training.

JFK's reactions (both involuntary and voluntary) to the sounds of the first, missing everything, shot were subtle, unremarkable, and therefore not noticed.

Then how do you know there was a shot? No one else in Dealey Plaza heard it either.

 
Forensic analysis and Josiah Thompson’s observation of the shells discovered in the SN indicate only two were fired in (sic) the rifle.

 
What forensic analysis? Two shots over Thompson's six seconds, or two shots over Roselle's and Scearce's 10.2 seconds?

You prefer to have a shot that never happened be part of the narrative as to accept the alternative that LHO only fired twice? 

The indentation on the side of the shells missing only from CE 543 but present on all the other shells including CE 141, the unfired cartridge, proves there were only two shots fired by LHO.

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The third [shell] was used as a snap cap for practicing finger control. As explained by Major Anderson, LHO would have been taught this method and trained to practice in this manner as part of his Marine Corp training.
 
Did Oswald practice "finger control" (click-click . . . snap, click-click . . . snap . . .) while he was waiting for the limo to appear on Houston Street.

Maybe. A point of interest. The carcano has a cock on opening action. To cock the rifle, just raise and lower the bolt handle to cock it.
 

[Tom Graves]

Jack "Two Shots" Nessan: Media's influence was the number one contributor to the number of shots reported.

Me: Were there any witnesses who reported, before they were "contaminated" by the "mistaken" or "evil, evil conspiring" media, that they'd heard three shots?

Jack "Two Shots" Nessan: You tell me. Three shots were broadcast around the world within 3 to 4 minutes of the assassination by Walter Cronkite. Two shots were reported by Don Pardo within 10 minutes after the assassination but largely ignored.

Me: Don Pardo's first broadcast was at 12:45:03 EST:

“In downtown Dallas. President Kennedy was shot today just as his motorcade left downtown Dallas. Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and grabbed Mr. Kennedy. She cried, ‘Oh, no.’ The motorcade sped on. A photographer said he saw blood on the president’s head. It was believed [by the United Press photographer who told me] two shots were fired.”

Me: Any idea who that United Press photographer was? Any idea who "misled" Cronkite into believing three shots were fired?

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Edit:

The following transcript is NBC-TV coverage of the Assassination of President John. F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The first two NBC bulletins feature the voice of Don Pardo and are supplied by Plil Gries, who recorded them on his audio tape recorder at home. After the two Pardo bulletins is audio (also recorded at home by Phil Gries) of the first 3 minutes and 53 seconds of NBC’s “lost” footage, which was before NBC began to record that day’s coverage.

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Don Pardo Bulletin # 1 (at 12:45:03 PM, Central Standard Time): “In downtown Dallas. President Kennedy was shot today just as his motorcade left downtown Dallas. Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and grabbed Mr. Kennedy. She cried, ‘Oh, no.’ The motorcade sped on. A photographer said he saw blood on the president’s head. It was believed two shots were fired.”

Don Pardo Bulletin # 2: “President Kennedy and Governor John Connally of Texas have been cut down by assassins’ bullets in downtown Dallas. We’ll repeat that. President Kennedy and Governor John Connally of Texas have been cut down by assassins’ bullets in downtown Dallas. They were riding in an open automobile when the shots were fired. The President, his limp body  cradled in the arms of his wife, Jacqueline, had (sic) been rushed to Parkland Hospital. Clint Hill, a Secret Service agent assigned to Mrs. Kennedy, said, “He’s dead,” as the President was lifted from the rear of a White House touring car, the famous bubbletop  from Washington. He was rushed to an emergency room in the hospital. Other White House officials were in doubt as the corridors of the hospital erupted in pandemonium. The incident occurred just east of the triple underpass facing a park in downtown Dallas. Reporters about five car lengths behind the Chief Executive were behind the autocade. Stay tuned to your NBC station for the later news.

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Reporting by Chet Huntley and his colleagues: “ … John Connally. Reporters on the scene say that bullet wounds in Governor Connally’s chest were clearly visible. It is reported that President Kennedy was seen lying face down on the floor of his car, his wife holding him, Again, we have no word on the President’s condition. One AP [Associated Press] man on the scene says that blood was visible on the President’s head. He has been taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas. The motorcade took about five minutes to get to the hospital. It was during that trip that reporters saw the President lying flat on the face in his car. One reporter asked one of the presidential assistants, Kenneth O’Donnell, if the President were dead. The man gave no answer. There is no reason to believe the President is dead, there is no word on his condition, neither is there any word on who made the attack. That is all we have from Dallas, Texas, at the present time. There has been a gun attack on the President of the United States. It’s quite a scramble communications in this country are at this moment. We will relay to you all the information that we have. We shall establish circuits between New York and Dallas at any moment, but in the interim we shall relay to you from here the information that we have. It goes like this: President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas, Texas. He was shot as his motorcade left the downtown part of the city. Mrs. Kennedy leaped up, grabbed the president and cried, “Oh, no,” and the motorcade sped on. An Associated Press photographer reports that he saw blood on the president’s head. The Associated Press photographer said he heard two shots, but thought someone was shooting fireworks until he saw the blood on the President. Here is more information. Kennedy apparently has been shot in the head. He fell face down in the back seat of his car. Blood was on his head. Mrs. Kennedy cried, “Oh, no,” and tried to hold up his head. Governor Connally remained half-seated, slumped to the left. There was blood on his face and forehead. The president and the Governor were rushed to Parkland Hospital near the Dallas Trade Mart where Kennedy was to have made a speech. There’s also this, Chet. In Washington, the White House says it has nothing beyond what we have now on the shooting. This in spite of the tremendous communications that is always maintained between the President and the White House. At 12:50 Central Standard Time, acting White House [Press] Secretary, Malcolm Killduff, was asked whether the president were dead, [and] he said, “I have no word now.” A few minutes later, Rear Admiral George Berkeley of the Navy – he’s the White House Physician – rushed into the hospital in Dallas, Parkland Hospital, and he headed for the emergency room where the President and Texas Governor John Connally were taken. Each has been wounded. That is all we really know. There is no word on the condition of either man. There is no indication that either is dead; no report on how serious the wounds may be. Chet and Bill, if I may step in for just a moment to let you know NBC will continue its coverage of this throughout until we are fully abreast of all the facts. We have a mobile unit on its way to the White House now. As you just reported, the White House doesn’t seem to have any more information than the reporters on the scene, and we are also establishing contact with our Robert McNeil who’s with the President’s party in Dallas, and we expect to be getting a report from him very shortly. So, as you can imagine, extensive efforts are being made to get our men dispatched to the right place at the right time and get as much information on it as we can. Thank you, Frank, we shall all stand by, then, and just relay the information as it . . . “

THE END

[Jack Nessan]

Jack "Two Shots" Nessan: Media's influence was the number one contributor to the number of shots reported.

Me: Were there any witnesses who reported, before they were "contaminated" by the "mistaken" or "evil, evil conspiring" media, that they'd heard three shots?

Jack "Two Shots" Nessan: You tell me. Three shots were broadcast around the world within 3 to 4 minutes of the assassination by Walter Cronkite. Two shots were reported by Don Pardo within 10 minutes after the assassination but largely ignored.

Me: Don Pardo's first broadcast was at 12:45:03 EST:

“In downtown Dallas. President Kennedy was shot today just as his motorcade left downtown Dallas. Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and grabbed Mr. Kennedy. She cried, ‘Oh, no.’ The motorcade sped on. A photographer said he saw blood on the president’s head. It was believed [by the United Press photographer who told me] two shots were fired.”

Me: Any idea who that United Press photographer was? Any idea who "misled" Cronkite into believing three shots were fired?

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Edit:

The following transcript is NBC-TV coverage of the Assassination of President John. F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The first two NBC bulletins feature the voice of Don Pardo and are supplied by Plil Gries, who recorded them on his audio tape recorder at home. After the two Pardo bulletins is audio (also recorded at home by Phil Gries) of the first 3 minutes and 53 seconds of NBC’s “lost” footage, which was before NBC began to record that day’s coverage.

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Don Pardo Bulletin # 1 (at 12:45:03 PM, Central Standard Time): “In downtown Dallas. President Kennedy was shot today just as his motorcade left downtown Dallas. Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and grabbed Mr. Kennedy. She cried, ‘Oh, no.’ The motorcade sped on. A photographer said he saw blood on the president’s head. It was believed two shots were fired.”

Don Pardo Bulletin # 2: “President Kennedy and Governor John Connally of Texas have been cut down by assassins’ bullets in downtown Dallas. We’ll repeat that. President Kennedy and Governor John Connally of Texas have been cut down by assassins’ bullets in downtown Dallas. They were riding in an open automobile when the shots were fired. The President, his limp body  cradled in the arms of his wife, Jacqueline, had (sic) been rushed to Parkland Hospital. Clint Hill, a Secret Service agent assigned to Mrs. Kennedy, said, “He’s dead,” as the President was lifted from the rear of a White House touring car, the famous bubbletop  from Washington. He was rushed to an emergency room in the hospital. Other White House officials were in doubt as the corridors of the hospital erupted in pandemonium. The incident occurred just east of the triple underpass facing a park in downtown Dallas. Reporters about five car lengths behind the Chief Executive were behind the autocade. Stay tuned to your NBC station for the later news.

. . . . . . . .

Reporting by Chet Huntley and his colleagues: “ … John Connally. Reporters on the scene say that bullet wounds in Governor Connally’s chest were clearly visible. It is reported that President Kennedy was seen lying face down on the floor of his car, his wife holding him, Again, we have no word on the President’s condition. One AP [Associated Press] man on the scene says that blood was visible on the President’s head. He has been taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas. The motorcade took about five minutes to get to the hospital. It was during that trip that reporters saw the President lying flat on the face in his car. One reporter asked one of the presidential assistants, Kenneth O’Donnell, if the President were dead. The man gave no answer. There is no reason to believe the President is dead, there is no word on his condition, neither is there any word on who made the attack. That is all we have from Dallas, Texas, at the present time. There has been a gun attack on the President of the United States. It’s quite a scramble communications in this country are at this moment. We will relay to you all the information that we have. We shall establish circuits between New York and Dallas at any moment, but in the interim we shall relay to you from here the information that we have. It goes like this: President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas, Texas. He was shot as his motorcade left the downtown part of the city. Mrs. Kennedy leaped up, grabbed the president and cried, “Oh, no,” and the motorcade sped on. An Associated Press photographer reports that he saw blood on the president’s head. The Associated Press photographer said he heard two shots, but thought someone was shooting fireworks until he saw the blood on the President. Here is more information. Kennedy apparently has been shot in the head. He fell face down in the back seat of his car. Blood was on his head. Mrs. Kennedy cried, “Oh, no,” and tried to hold up his head. Governor Connally remained half-seated, slumped to the left. There was blood on his face and forehead. The president and the Governor were rushed to Parkland Hospital near the Dallas Trade Mart where Kennedy was to have made a speech. There’s also this, Chet. In Washington, the White House says it has nothing beyond what we have now on the shooting. This in spite of the tremendous communications that is always maintained between the President and the White House. At 12:50 Central Standard Time, acting White House [Press] Secretary, Malcolm Killduff, was asked whether the president were dead, [and] he said, “I have no word now.” A few minutes later, Rear Admiral George Berkeley of the Navy – he’s the White House Physician – rushed into the hospital in Dallas, Parkland Hospital, and he headed for the emergency room where the President and Texas Governor John Connally were taken. Each has been wounded. That is all we really know. There is no word on the condition of either man. There is no indication that either is dead; no report on how serious the wounds may be. Chet and Bill, if I may step in for just a moment to let you know NBC will continue its coverage of this throughout until we are fully abreast of all the facts. We have a mobile unit on its way to the White House now. As you just reported, the White House doesn’t seem to have any more information than the reporters on the scene, and we are also establishing contact with our Robert McNeil who’s with the President’s party in Dallas, and we expect to be getting a report from him very shortly. So, as you can imagine, extensive efforts are being made to get our men dispatched to the right place at the right time and get as much information on it as we can. Thank you, Frank, we shall all stand by, then, and just relay the information as it . . . “

THE END

Me: Were there any witnesses who reported, before they were "contaminated" by the "mistaken" or "evil, evil conspiring" media, that they'd heard three shots?

 
Didn't you describe Dealey Plaza as an echo chamber. Now you are questioning what people heard?

"The belief in a conspiracy exists because 1) Dealey Plaza was an echo chamber, making it hard for the lackadaisical-then-startled witnesses to count the number / timing / duration of the shots,"

You tell me. Who heard what and when. The WC or the HSCA never concerned themselves with it so why would I. If you feel it is important, go ahead and pursue it.


The WC and the HSCA and the HSCA Sound Analysis report all state medias influence as a problem in the number of shots reported by the witnesses. 

 

WC Conclusion: "The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired"
 
HSCA Sound Analysis Conclusion:  The buildings around the Plaza caused strong reverberations, or echoes, that followed the initial sound by from 0 .5 to 1 .5 sec . While these reflections caused no confusion to our listeners, who were prepared and expected to hear them, they may well have inflated the number of shots reported by the suprised witnesses during the assassination .  HSCA Earwitness Analysis Report, pgs 135-137
 
HSCA Conclusion: "The committee believed that the witnesses memories and testimony on the number, direction, and timing of the shots may have
been substantially influenced by the intervening publicity concerning the events of November 22 1963"   HSCA Final Report- pg 87

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Me: Don Pardo's first broadcast was at 12:45:03 EST:
 
“In downtown Dallas. President Kennedy was shot today just as his motorcade left downtown Dallas. Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and grabbed Mr. Kennedy. She cried, ‘Oh, no.’ The motorcade sped on. A photographer said he saw blood on the president’s head. It was believed [by the United Press photographer who told me] two shots were fired.”
 
Me: Any idea who that United Press photographer was? Any idea who "misled" Cronkite into believing three shots were fired?

James Altgens, UPI Photograher, the only Eyewitness reporter in Dealey Plaza. He was standing within feet of the car during the assassination. Took the photo at Z256 of JBC and JFK in the car reacting to having been hit by the first bullet. He walked back to his office and sent the news bulletin.

Merriman Smith, earwitness in a press car on Houston, fifth car back. He won a Pulitzer prize for his reporting that day. The news flash went out over the airways before JFK reached Parkland. Smith sent it from the car he was riding in. The guy who started it all is your three shot witness.

No eyewitness in Dealey Plaza ever mentions an early missed shot. Mary Woodward places the first shot after JFK passes her location, and he turns forward. Placing that at Z207+

 

[Royell Storing]

 So Euins could be mistaken but Tina Towner could Not? How silly is that? Plus, Euins was older than Towner on 11/22/63.  POW/POW!

[Tom Graves]

So Euins could be mistaken but Tina Towner could Not? How silly is that? Plus, Euins was older than Towner on 11/22/63.

Storing,

So, so, so, so Tina Towner could be mistaken, but Amos Euins could not? How silly is that? Plus, girls mature faster than boys.

Do you really think Euins wanted to convey the idea that the first and second shots were only a second or two apart?

Do you think the first and second shots were only a second or two apart?

[Royell Storing]

  You well know that Euins POW/POW was in relation to shots 2 and 3. Stop trying to set traps and wasting your time and mine. Everybody knows all about having, "one in the barrel". SA Hickey did.

[Tom Graves]

You well know that Euins POW/POW was in relation to shots 2 and 3.

Storing,

If Euins could grossly exaggerate how short the interval was between the first and second shot, why couldn't he grossly exaggerate how short the interval was between the second and third shots?