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Bullet mark on the manhole south side of Elm St.

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Marjan Rynkiewicz:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/carrshaw.htm

I am thinking that Carr lied -- he did not see a shot hit grass -- ie from the 6th floor east of Houston -- ie hitting grass near the manhole cover -- even if that shot was when the jfklimo was near the manhole (which would have been at about Z400).

CRIMINAL DISTRICT COURT PARISH OF ORLEANS STATE OF LOUISIANA STATE OF LOUISIANA vs. CLAY L. SHAW 198-059 1426 (30) SECTION "C" EXCERPT OF THE TESTIMONY TAKEN IN OPEN COURT February 19, 1969 B E F O R E: THE HONORABLE EDWARD A. HAGGERTY, JR., JUDGE, SECTION "C" THE COURT: Call your next witness. MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, Mr. Carr is unable to walk because of a recent accident, and we understand the Defense has no objection, if the Court will permit, to have Mr. Carr wheeled right in front of the State Counsel table. THE COURT: That's all right. He can testify from there. RICHARD RANDOLPH CARR, having been first duly sworn by the Minute Clerk, was examined and testified as follows:

Q: What kind of noise did you hear?
A: I heard a shot. There was a pause and immediately after that there were three shots in succession.
Q: Were you able to tell from where the first shot was coming?
A: No, sir, not the first one I could not tell the direction it come from.
Q: Were you able to tell from where the three shots came from which followed?
A: Yes, I was.
Q: Where did they come from?
A: They came from the -- from where I was standing at the new courthouse, they came from in this direction here, behind this picket fence,
and one knocked a bunch of grass up along in this area here (indicating), this area here is flat, looking at it from here, but the actual way it is, it is on a slope up this way and you could tell from the way it knocked it up that the bullet came from this direction (indicating).

Q: Right before hearing the three successive shots you saw a bullet hit in the middle of Dealey Plaza, right?
A: No, sir, upon hearing the three successive shots, sir, I saw one, one of those three hit in Dealey Plaza in the grass.
Q: I see. Did you ever go and look for the hole where it hit?
A: No, sir, I have not.
Q: Did you ever try to recover the pellet?
A: No, sir, I have not.
Q: Now, is it your testimony that the three, that is, the group of these three shots were equally spaced, that is, the space of time between the first and second was just about the same as that between the second and third?
A: The three shots were consecutively.
Q: I take it then that you would deny that there was one shot and then a relatively long period and then two fast shots. Is that correct?
A: Yes, I sure would.
Q: I take it -- go ahead, sir.
A: I am sorry, sir, go ahead. I said I heard one shot, there was a pause and then I heard three consecutive shots.
Q: I take it then that you would also deny that of those three successive shots, there were two rapid ones and then a relatively long period and then a third one. Is that right?
A: Yes, I would.
MR. DYMOND: That's all, sir.
FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: Just one more question, Mr. Carr. Would you just take your -- would you just take your time and in your own words describe with reference to the photomap the direc- tion of
that shot which you observed furrowing on through the grass, from what area to what area, could you describe that, from what point to what point?
A: The shot was fired from somewhere in here.
Q: Just a minute, sir. This is going to be written down, what do you mean by "in here," from somewhere to where?
A: From this direction in here that shot was fired.
Q: You are indicating, to begin with, the grassy knoll area by the picket fence. Is that right?
A: Yes, sir, this is the first thing that attracted by attention as I explained to you before.
Q: But the direction would have been from there to where?
A: To in this vicinity right here (indicating).
Q: Well, if you carry the line down, would you identify some building or something on the map so that we will know precisely what you mean?
A: Yes, I will say the Criminal Courts Building right here (indicating).
Q: If the shot would have continued, you mean to say --
MR. DYMOND: I object to leading the witness, Your Honor.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: I will rephrase the question. If the shot had continued --
A: If the shot had not hit the grass, it would have hit the Criminal Courts Building, sir.
MR. GARRISON: That's all I have.
FURTHER RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. DYMOND:
Q: Just a couple of questions. Mr. Carr, is it your testimony that you saw this bullet furrowing through the grass?
A: I saw the grass come up.
Q: You saw the grass come up?
A: Yes.
Q: And from that you are telling us from what direction the shot came and where it would have gone if it would have kept on going. Is that right?
A: Yes.

Marjan Rynkiewicz:
After the first or second or third or ? shot, Foster jumped down from the railway cabinet & ran to the barricade (see 2nd from left in Dllard photo from Unger Gallery).
Furthest left might be Officer White walking over from his allotted position on the western barricade.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=1753&fullsize=1

Marjan Rynkiewicz:
Motorbike Officer Brewer took his turn to guard the manhole (see Brewer crouching in top center photo).
Brewer did not mention this guarding assignment in his testimony. He was one of the i think 8 lead motorcycle riders, ahead of the motorcade.
There is no evidence of a displaced sod near the gouge (contrary to what Foster said).
See Ch13 page 197 to 208 (page 199 missing).
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=2vfVBQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false



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Marjan Rynkiewicz:
Here are the guys at the manhole either earlier or later.
Its hard to see what they are doing.
its the 3 guys on the left, not the guys on the right.
If an AR15 slug hit grass then it would have been near the end of the grass area, near the concrete paved area,
not anywhere near that entry pit itself.
Green line is line of shots. Red line is underground pipeline.

Marjan Rynkiewicz:
Here is the cabinet that Foster was standing on.
I doubt that he could see the drainage inlet pit on the south side of Elm St.
Actually, it aint the cabinet, Foster was standing on a similar cabinet, back at about where the photographer was standing.

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