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Bullet mark on the manhole south side of Elm St.
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 27, 2025, 08:28:32 PM ---This is the most far fetched, strained, and impossible explanation for the manhole-cover-grass bullet I have yet to see. It is worse than Posner's laughable theory to explain the Tague shot. It just goes to show how badly and implausibly WC apologists will reach in order to deny clear evidence of a second gunman.
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Glad you like it. ;D
Here’s some additional reading.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4196.msg161015.html#msg161015
Jim Hawthorn:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on August 27, 2025, 06:46:43 PM ---
Compare the apparent angle of the trajectory in the DPD photos to what is shown in the video and you should see that they are significantly different. On 11/22/63 it appears to me that the trajectory angle points more back towards the TSBD southeast corner.
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Yes, in the DPD photo, the trajectory line of the bullet crosses the manhole cover. The mark that is there today does not (made by a conspiracy theorist?).
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Jim Hawthorn on August 28, 2025, 09:42:09 AM ---Yes, in the DPD photo, the trajectory line of the bullet crosses the manhole cover. The mark that is there today does not (made by a conspiracy theorist?).
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My guess is that it was made by someone who thought it might fool some CTs. Just another prank in my opinion.
Michael T. Griffith:
The manhole-cover-grass bullet is a prime example of the inability of lone-gunman theorists to deal credibly and logically with evidence. If a bullet was found in the grass, their whole theory of the shooting collapses. What did the man in the suit put in his pocket, if not a bullet? A piece of dirt? A piece of brain? Were all the local newspapers, along with New Republic journalist Richard Dudman, "mistaken" when they reported that a bullet was found in the grass?
How in the world would a chunk of JFK's brain have reached the grass near the manhole cover and dug a visible hole in the grass? Did it magically miss Nellie Connally and William Greer and then supernaturally pass through the windshield? Did this mythical chunk of brain come from the same brain pictured in the autopsy brain photos, which show only 1-2 ounces of missing tissue, the same brain that splattered brain matter all inside the limo and on the follow-up car and on the patrolmen riding behind the limo?
To try to salvage the lone-gunman scenario, we have a few people floating the cockamamie theory that the sixth-floor gunman fired when a branch or traffic-light pole was near his center aiming point and that this shot hit the limb or pole, then hit the pavement and fragmented, then sent a large fragment toward the manhole cover and skipped off the concrete around the manhole cover, and then hit the curb near James Tague, magically missing all the cars in between! This whacky theory assumes that no bullet was found in the grass, of course. It also ignores the fact that the Tague curb shot was not the first shot fired but came after the first shot.
To any rational observer, the manhole-cover-grass bullet and the Tague bullet were obviously different bullets fired at different times from different positions. But, if one is chained down by the lone-gunman theory, one must (1) invent ludicrous theories that argue that the two missiles were the same bullet and that this bullet came from the sixth-floor window, and (2) deny that a bullet was found in the grass near the manhole cover.
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