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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2751 on: October 25, 2023, 08:51:58 PM »
I think I’ (may) have figured out why Oswald’s head is not visible in Towner film.

It’s because he has his back up against the West wall as he holds out the the banner using the curtain rod.  His head and  part of his body are just inside the angle of shadow from the West wall corner going up the steps.

This is also possibly why his head is not visible in the Altgens Cronkite version photo while at the same time there is a bit of almost horizontal THIN black slash cutting across the lower part of Loveladys  white shirt.  (That slash that we surmised might be a bottle is perhaps actually the curtain rod.) Oswald had just possibly lowered the banner slightly  at this point some 3 seconds beyond Towner film frames.

The dark shadow anomaly on the left side of Lovelady in Weigman is  perhaps because it was added to obscure Oswald and or banner (or both).

The  speculative scenario therefore is :

Oswald at about 12:29, brought out a 24” length x6” width paper bag that contained a banner rolled up around a curtain rod and he took up a position on the front steps just behind Carl Jones, and against the West wall.

Oswald remained standing up against the West wall as he took out his banner on curtain rod from the osier bag, letting the later bag fell to the steps were it could have e been blown to the East side over to where a woman saw it and head it up some 20 seconds later in the Darnell film.

Probability question:

How plausible is it that Oswald was able to slip out the TSBD front door, go behind the fat Mr.Williams , Mr.Shelly, and Buell W. Frazier, passing also by PM (or woman) figure and then down the west sidesteps close to the West wall, just across from Lovelady , and none of those persons “remember” seeing Oswald?

Answer:  Its plausible because Oswald was a slender 130 lb man only 5’9” tall who was a nobody employee whom came out  at 12:29 AS there was heightened Anticipation level of those persons on the steps whom  were therefore fixated upon the impending arrival of the JFK limo about to reach Houston street and turn towards the TSBD.)

Now all we have to do is PROVE this using info from Mr.Fords other  in depth threads pertaining
to the paper bag and the documents concerning the curtain rods.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2752 on: October 25, 2023, 09:36:16 PM »
No, that's demonstrated only for Bell

You're still lost.

Try shocking your brain out of its latest hallucination by noting that Mr. Danny Arce is further south than the lady in blue, who is in turn further south than Lady#1 (the lady in black)



Then ask yourself: How will this disposition of figures present itself to Miss Towner's camera?

Mr. Danny Arce is further south than the lady in blue,

Agreed

lady in blue, who is in turn further south than Lady#1 (the lady in black)

I believe this is where you're going wrong.
The lady in black is stood alongside the lady in blue with a gap between them [IMO]

Where is the arm of the lady in black in Towner as far as you're concerned.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2753 on: October 26, 2023, 12:16:42 AM »
I believe this is where you're going wrong.
The lady in black is stood alongside the lady in blue with a gap between them [IMO]

Even if that were the case, then expecting the fluttering from Lady #1's hand to show up to Miss Towner's camera right behind the head of khaki man would be as idiotic as expecting the lady in blue's head to be hidden behind the head of Lady #2



Beyond absurd

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2754 on: October 26, 2023, 01:22:35 AM »
Even if that were the case, then expecting the fluttering from Lady #1's hand to show up to Miss Towner's camera right behind the head of khaki man would be as idiotic as expecting the lady in blue's head to be hidden behind the head of Lady #2



Beyond absurd

I'll try again, for what it's worth...

Where is the arm of the lady in black in Towner as far as you're concerned?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2755 on: October 26, 2023, 09:41:31 AM »
I'll try again, for what it's worth...

Where is the arm of the lady in black in Towner as far as you're concerned?

We see a little sliver of her unsleeved raised right arm behind Lady #2's unsleeved raised right arm.

Now. Have you found a rational explanation yet for the fact that the fluttering coming from Lady #1's hand at no point shows in Bell right behind khaki man's head, as 'it' does (according to your bizarre geometry-breaking claim) in Towner? Your continued avoidance of this problem has been screaming volumes  Thumb1:

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2756 on: October 26, 2023, 10:08:43 AM »
I think I’ (may) have figured out why Oswald’s head is not visible in Towner film.

It’s because he has his back up against the West wall as he holds out the the banner using the curtain rod.  His head and  part of his body are just inside the angle of shadow from the West wall corner going up the steps.

Thanks for this, Mr. Mason, it's an interesting suggestion. Hughes shows Mr. Oswald's head go in and out of that shadow:


Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2757 on: October 26, 2023, 12:42:22 PM »
We see a little sliver of her unsleeved raised right arm behind Lady #2's unsleeved raised right arm.

 :D :D
You're so full of it.

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Now. Have you found a rational explanation yet for the fact that the fluttering coming from Lady #1's hand at no point shows in Bell right behind khaki man's head, as 'it' does (according to your bizarre geometry-breaking claim) in Towner? Your continued avoidance of this problem has been screaming volumes  Thumb1:

I've already dealt with it, the post before last.
Your eyes are telling you that Arce is stood behind and to the left (as we look at it) of Stetson. That Blue Lady is stood behind and left of Arce and that Black Lady is stood behind and left of Blue lady. That they are stood in a diagonal line going backwards with Stetson at the front and Black Lady at the back.
This would put a relatively large distance between Black Lady (#1) and Gray Lady (#2), as Gray Lady, Khaki Man and Stetson are stood in the same forward position.
What you're not realising is that 1) Black Lady is NOT stood behind and to the left of Blue Lady - she is stood directly behind and in between Gray Lady (#2) and Khaki Man and 2) Everyone is stood a lot closer together than you appreciate.
This Weigman pic gives a better understanding of how closely everyone is stood together:



In Bell we see the Lady in Black (#1) with her arm raised stood in between Khaki and Gray.
In Towner we see exactly the same thing.
In Bell we see Lady #1 waving something furiously in her right hand.
In Towner we see exactly the same thing.
In both Towner and Bell, the thing being waved furiously is in perfect sync.

You simply cannot escape the fact that the Lady in Black (#1) is clearly visible in Towner:



You cannot escape the fact that in Towner she has her arm raised and is waving something furiously.
She is in exactly the position we would expect to find her - behind and to the left of Lady#2 and in between Lady#2 and Khaki Man.

You can try and pretend that the black raised arm is a red shirt. That's fine.
Instead of dealing with the points I raise, you can say I'm hallucinating or lost. That's fine.
But you cannot escape the fact that the Lady in Black is clearly visible in Towner.
It's not my fault you don't understand perspective or PoV.

The trouble is you really need me to be wrong. That's why you're in denial.
Otherwise "The Ballad of Oswald's Flag" is no more.

If it's just going to be name calling or stamping your little foot, don't bother.
If it's going to be a genuine argument with evidence to support it, knock yourself out.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2023, 12:43:11 PM by Dan O'meara »