Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Zeon Mason]

Well, Mr.Welsh, here is one of the reasons I thought which supported MrFords proposal that Red Shirt Man (RSM) in  Hughes film was Oswald and not Lovelady:

1. RSM is raising his hand up and then down and it’s not likely a “salute” but is more likely a bottle being raised to mouth. If so, then there’s only 2  possible persons who could be outside on the front steps who would have a bottle of coke, Oswald and or  Lovelady, and so the question is at what time did each buy their respective  cokes?
 
Lovelady had to have bought his coke several minutes BEFORE 12:00pm because the women of the 2nd floor office are occupying the 2nd floor lunchroom from 12:00-12:15 approx, thus they would have seen Lovelady or he vice versa see them if Lovelady bought the coke after 12:00pm.

Lovelady could not have bought the coke after 12:15 either since he was OUTSIDE on the front steps  with Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelly by that time.

That means that Billy Lovelady had  a coke from about 11:59 until 12:29 if he is RSM in Hughes so there is a question would not a 16 0z bottle of soda have been consumed in a 30 minute period of time?

Oswald on the other hand did not likely buy his coke until at the earliest 12:17 which would be just AFTER he was seen seated in the 2nd floor lunchroom by Carolyn Arnold.

So Oswald only had his coke for approx 11 minutes if he is RSM in Hughes film, therefore  there is higher probability that  there would be some % of liquid still left in the bottle at 12:29.

[Michael Welch]

Well, Mr.Welsh, here is one of the reasons I thought which supported MrFords proposal that Red Shirt Man (RSM) in  Hughes film was Oswald and not Lovelady:

1. RSM is raising his hand up and then down and it’s not likely a “salute” but is more likely a bottle being raised to mouth. If so, then there’s only 2  possible persons who could be outside on the front steps who would have a bottle of coke, Oswald and or  Lovelady, and so the question is at what time did each buy their respective  cokes?
 
Lovelady had to have bought his coke several minutes BEFORE 12:00pm because the women of the 2nd floor office are occupying the 2nd floor lunchroom from 12:00-12:15 approx, thus they would have seen Lovelady or he vice versa see them if Lovelady bought the coke after 12:00pm.

Lovelady could not have bought the coke after 12:15 either since he was OUTSIDE on the front steps  with Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelly by that time.

That means that Billy Lovelady had  a coke from about 11:59 until 12:29 if he is RSM in Hughes so there is a question would not a 16 0z bottle of soda have been consumed in a 30 minute period of time?

Oswald on the other hand did not likely buy his coke until at the earliest 12:17 which would be just AFTER he was seen seated in the 2nd floor lunchroom by Carolyn Arnold.

So Oswald only had his coke for approx 11 minutes if he is RSM in Hughes film, therefore  there is higher probability that  there would be some % of liquid still left in the bottle at 12:29.

Hi Zeon, Please call me Michael. The Coke is irrelevant because you have clear photographic evidence taken within three seconds of the same person. However if you concentrate on the Coke, it appears the right hand goes too high, and he would be drinking only a sip at his forehead! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Michael Welch]

He wasn't anywhere near outside. He was busy upstairs shooting the president.  You and Ralphie oughta get a room.

Hi Mark. I hope that you are doing well! Where upstairs? The Snipers Nest was occupied by Bonnie Ray Williams at least until 12:25pm. Both Jim Leavelle and Jesse Curry said they did not have enough evidence to convict Oswald. Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom between 12:15 and 12:25 pm. Amos Euins saw a negro man with a bald spot in the Sniper's Nest. Howard Brennan saw a man wearing khaki clothing in the Sniper's Nest. But you knew all of this already, right? The Sniper's Nest was a crowded place, but nobody saw Lee! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Dan O'meara]

He wasn't anywhere near outside. He was busy upstairs shooting the president.  You and Ralphie oughta get a room.

Tell that to Robert Edwards and Ronald Fischer who both saw a man wearing a white/off white, open-necked shirt in the SN. An item of clothing Oswald wasn't wearing that day and didn't have in his possessions.
Incidentally, it is the same garment worn by the man Arnold Rowland observes on the 6th floor 15 minutes before the motorcade arrives in Dealey Plaza.
Which is 10 minutes before Oswald's apparent observation of Norman and Jarman entering the rear of the TSBD building on the first floor.

[Alan Ford]

Since It does not seem logical that  JFK would have jeopardized the improved relations between USA and USSR after the successfully negotiated end to the 62 missile  crisis,

It is a myth that Pres. Kennedy promised First Secretary Khruschev not to invade Cuba after the missile crisis: such a guarantee was made dependent upon Pres. Castro's allowing UN on-site inspections. Pres. Castro's refusal to allow such led in Spring '63 to the quiet development by the Kennedy administration of the C-Day coup plan for 12/1/63.

The false-flag incident of 11/22 was cooked up to give Pres. Kennedy a politically potent pretext for C-Day. The 'known pro-Castroite' Mr. Oswald's involvement (but not as shooter, obviously) in the deeply provocative 'pro-Castro' stunt was to be an important element in this false-flag hoax.

And Attorney General Robert Kennedy was at the very heart of the C-Day planning.

[Alan Ford]

Mr. Oswald's actual location in the doorway has been found

At the time these Hughes frames are taken,
-----------------Mr. Oswald is standing over west in the doorway, on the fourth step. He takes a sip of Coke. We see no flesh of his LEFT hand, because he is holding the flag behind him
-----------------A laid-back Mr. Lovelady is SITTING on one of the upper steps, content with getting a glimpse of Pres. Kennedy when he passes right by the building. He has a decent enough view, as there is no one standing in front of him.

But then, without warning, and just as Pres. Kennedy is about to come into Mr. Lovelady's view, Mr. Oswald blocks his view by waving a flag--not up high, but to his side



An irritated Mr. Lovelady RISES TO HIS FEET in order to see over the flag:



And so, by the time of Altgens & Wiegman, Mr. Lovelady is shown standing over near the center rail of the doorway.

[Alan Ford]

How many people saw Mr. Oswald out there? is one question.
How many people SAID they saw him out there? is another altogether.

One might compare this to the curious result we get if we ask the question:
How many people SAID they saw Mr. Oswald leave the building several minutes after the assassination?
Officially, the answer is: not a single person.
Do we conclude from this that Mr. Oswald never left the building? Hardly!

However, we do know that one person DID say they saw him leave by the front door: Mr. Billy Lovelady, that same day, told Mr. James Jarman he saw Mr. Oswald being cleared by Mr. Truly and a cop at the front door.

But------------and here's the point-------------Mr. Lovelady told Mr. Jarman this before the cover-up had kicked in. In all his later, on-the-record statements, Mr. Lovelady never mentions it. Were it not for Mr. Jarman's chance mention of what Mr. Lovelady had informally told him shortly after the assassination, we would never know about it.

I have no doubt that several people saw Mr. Oswald leave by the front door several minutes after the assassination.
And I have no doubt that several people saw Mr. Oswald standing out front as Pres. Kennedy passed the building.

Those who wish to dismiss the idea of Mr. Oswald's being out front for the motorcade on the basis that no one SAID they saw him there need to tell us if they dismiss, on the very same basis, the idea of Mr. Oswald's having left the building minutes after the assassination.